this nigger doesn't know any slavic ethnicities other than russian
Elaborate further boyo, I'm invested about your experience there
Certain asians maybe but blacks? No one really likes them tbh
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I'm mosty refering to poles. I have studied those ugly monkeys.
Nigger culture is widely emulated, especially in america and funnily enough by slavs as well. So in a way they are more valued, even if only indirectly.
Pollocks are the niggers of Europe
Yep, Very jewy very niggery "people".
This is the homicide rate of Russia broken down by region and you can see that in the ethnically Russian regions homicide rates are still way higher than Western European levels.
Poverty is a sign of their low IQ, and that low IQ would explain all of their other subhuman behavior.
It is much easier to get away with murder in Russia, Ukraine, Serbia, and Belarus than Sweden or the Netherlands. Many of the murdered simply go missing and don't end up as homicide statistic. I posted a picture of the Russian homicide rate by region and it's much higher even in the Russian regions.
Croatians were one of the highest groups just below Bulgarians and Romanians according to your own stats. Saying the violence is being caused by the Russian minority in the Baltics only proves my point about them.
Wastewater is the strangest way I have ever heard of measuring drug use. Russia and Eastern Europe in general have the highest HIV rates because of the widespread use of hard drugs there and the sharing of needles. HIV rates are out of control because they are injecting themselves with heroin and krokodil. Western Europeans do soft drugs like Weed and MDMA. Here is a map illustrating the stark differences in HIV rates.
They are much higher than in Western Europe.
Abortion rate by region. It's higher even in the ethnic Russian regions.
And of course corruption levels.
Slavs and especially Russians have a reputation in online gaming for being angry, having a short fuse, and being uncooperative. What I know about them from statistics, what I see online, and their reputation shows that they are lower IQ than the West and are more sadistic.
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Yeah they are way more psychopathic as well. If the EU funding in eastern europe would stop they would fall back to stone age levels in no time. There was never and still is not a single group in europe that has less accomplishments and inventions than slavs.
I don't hate Slavs. I was just responding to him based on what I have seen and what statistics I know.
Oh me neither, it's just observation.
White on white racism will always be hilarious even I like joining in sometimes and be racist to Slavs and many Balkans like Bosnians not because I’m racist but because it’s funny
@weaselbomber is this trvth or nigger mossad propaganda from the Indian bot farms of hyperbad?
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Slavic zoomers look no different from germanic ones tbh. I went to Poland for geomaxxing and got mogged plenty. Lots of tall e-boy looking teenagers and early 20s moggers.
They get a bad rep from low class millennials moving there for construction work in the 2000s.
They get a bad rep from low class millennials moving there for construction work in the 2000s.
Yes all Slavs are Asian it’s clearly not the Russians but instead all Slavs
I never said that they would be at Western European levels, I'm just pointing out that their country's average is pulled up by non-Slavs. Considering the massive GDP per capita difference as well as the difference in the ability of authorities to monitor their territories and properly respond to crimes, it would require a miracle for them to be.
Also, two things. First, most of the maps you've posted just support exactly what I'm saying. My point is, Eastern Slavs are at a completely different place to Western Slavs and richer Balkaners, with the latter two being barely different to other Europeans, and most of the stuff you've posted literally says exactly that, so I'm not even really sure what we are debating
.Second off, a lot of the stuff you post seems rather outdated. Like for example, both this and the previous homicide rate map you've posted are from like 2012. The 2022 data are actually exactly the reason why I'm specifying "Western Slavs and richer Balkaners" in this discussion, since I've checked the latest data, and originally I wanted to talk just about Western Slavs, but it seems like most Balkaners are likewise well within European standards by now.
List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1f888ok/homicide_rate_of_european_countries_in_2022/
I'm the very last person who would deny the Slavpill, but the variant of it you seem to be pushing where east of Germany there's a sea of intimidating ogremaxxed low IQ dangerous gopniks who would destroy you the moment you look wrongly at them just flat-out doesn't exist. In fact, it's quite the opposite, as my entire point was that a good number of Slavic nations are on average very nonthreatening and not dangerous in the slightest.
IQ and GDP per capita have like a 0.5 correlation, not 1. It's perfectly possible to fall behind even with a decent IQ (by almost every metric we have, Japan's average IQ is higher than the US' yet the GDP per capita gap between them has only grown in the latter's favor in recent decades.) If anything, those countries' catching up to the West is proof that they are very similar in IQ terms, which as @Squatting Slavcel pointed out, is what every large-scale international IQ testing had shown. As, in recent decades, it just so happens that it's exactly the countries which were much poorer than they should be given their IQs (East Asians and non-East Slavs) that have grown abnormally quickly:
List of countries by past GDP growth - Wikipedia
Discounting any outside factors holding them back and acting like every country is already at the top of its potential and performing exactly as well as it ever could is a bit of a Just World Fallacy ngl
.Proof? I posted what I could find regarding kidnapping/going missing rates above, and Slavic EU members were perfectly comparable to other EU countries. Here's one more I found:
Kidnapping rate by country, around the world | TheGlobalEconomy.com
The average for 2017 based on 65 countries was 1.8 kidnappings per 100,000 people. The highest value was in Belgium: 10.3 kidnappings per 100,000 people and the lowest value was in Bermuda: 0 kidnappings per 100,000 people. The indicator is available from 2003 to 2017. Below is a chart for all...
From what I could find, 90%+ of missing people are eventually found in basically every European country if not in the wider world as well, and able-bodied adults, who are the majority of murder victims, are strongly underrepresented among missing people, who tend to be either minors from shit backgrounds or seniors with physical and mental health problems.
From what I've found, these patterns hold here in Slovakia, with about 2,500 missing people annually of which well over 90% are later found.
Polícii vlani oznámili 2 411 nezvestných osôb do 18 rokov
Medzi prípadmi sú úteky z domova aj rodičovské únosy.
A 2014 source, which is the only one I could find yet, claims that around 5% of missing people cases in Serbia remain unsolved, which by now should've even improved since Serbia's gotten wealthier and police resources would've gotten better as well.
Their annual amount of missing people is around 3,000, by the way.
In Montenegro last year, 183 people went missing and only 12 weren't found yet:
183 people reported missing this year — 12 still unfound - CdM
Disappearances remain a recurring issue in Montenegro, with 183 people reported missing since the beginning of 2025. Of that number, 171 individuals have been
www.cdm.me
A tiny number, but Montenegro is one of the poorest and most corrupt Balkan countries, if there's any country except for the non-Slavic Albania where you'd see a suspicious amount of adults disappearing because murders are being misclassified as missing cases, this is
Compare that with the UK, which has about 330,000 missing people cases per year, respectively, with at least 97% of those people being found.
France has about 50,000.
Since both the UK and France have about fourteen times higher populations than Serbia and Slovakia, per capita, it seems to me that its the UK which is an outlier in terms of missing people, while the other three are almost uncannily similar, with France's numbers being higher by almost exactly the same amount as its total population is.
Yes, it's a backward and impoverished country that's hard to police and govern and whose rural regions are Third World-tier by most standards. It would be a miracle if it had crime rates even near the European average, though it does need to be pointed out that the places which actually can be effectively policed and have decent standards of living (which are really only Moscow and St. Petersburg), are doing much better there.
List of federal subjects of Russia by murder rate - Wikipedia
The latest data is from 2017, so already close to being a decade out of date, but the pattern is pretty clear, those two cities have much lower homicide rates than the rest of the country, and actually are now even closer to European average than to their own rates pre-2000. I think I already touched on this above, but if you've ever watched or read debates on the death penalty, you probably know that it's not the severity of punishment that deters crime, but the swiftness of response and likelihood of being caught. In that regard, European countries are much better than East Slavic ones, where only the big cities are comparable to Europe while the rest is too dysfunctional and poor to be able to have effective policing, though it still needs to be taken into account as an external factor.
And also, that works in Europe as well, which is why so many both Western and Eastern capitals and other big cities have homicide rates much lower than even the whitest US states.
European homicide rates are tiny compared to those in America
And what it tells us about the Overton window and perceptions of 'normal' in transatlantic context.
pederschaefer.substack.com
True, though Benelux had a decent number of light blue regions as well, while southern Scotland was in the same category as Croatia.
Again, I'm not saying that those countries are going to be Western European level or anything, and if there's someone going to be at the bottom of charts like this, it is going to be the poorest and least developed countries, but considering how tiny the differences (Croatia and Bulgaria were about 10% worse than Belgium, Sweden and Finland) are compared to how big the GDP per capita ones are, it's quite clear that those populations have very little genetic differences when it comes to stuff linked to antisocial and violent behaviour, since even large economic differences can't create much.
Btw, I think you are underestimating the Gypsy factor here. Western countries aren't the only ones who have nonwhite minorities whose crime rates are higher than that of the white majority. Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia and Serbia all have Romanis as roughly 10% of their population. American blacks already show how a minority with that share of population can completely change crime statistics compared to what they would be if only the white majority lived in that country (going back to the missing people stuff, I know for a fact that they should be overrepresented in Slovakia in that regard), and while they aren't as aggressive and violent as American blacks are, they might actually be even lower IQ.
According to the latest PISA results, American blacks' average is around that of Greece:
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Infographics/comments/1re0s8k/2022_pisa_performance_with_america_split_by_race/
Now, we don't know exactly how Gypsies alone score, but we can infer it pretty well, since they are about 10% of the total population in those countries, and are almost invariably the poorest part of their population. Luckily for us, the latest PISA also did a division by income deciles.
The students from the bottom 10% of income in those four countries are abysmal even by the standards of non-OECD SEA countries there. Serbia's bottom decile, in particular, seems to have been the worst performing decile in the testing at all, being slightly behind even Dominican Republic's or Cambodia's worst performing deciles. Meanwhile, the average and above-average deciles were at a completely different place, with Slovakia's being neck-and-neck with Austria's, Serbia's with the US', and so on.
So yeah, they aren't as aggressive as blacks, but are even worse integrated and definitely need to be taken into account when talking about the crime rates in those countries, and in other countries there as well.
Yeah, I'm just pointing out that those Russians are in the Baltics what their own indigenous minorities are in Siberia. Poorfags living in shit regions whose higher crime rate is basically certain because of that.
Maybe, but it's also the most objective one I can think of. Addicts can use a thousand different tricks to remain undercounted, not get caught, and so on, but everyone uses a toilet.
Westerners seem to do both hard and soft drugs much more than Easterners. Czechs are a partial exception, as they are just about the richest Easterners, and so have greater abilitiy to purchase both types of drugs.
Illicit drug use prevalence in Europe in 2024| Statista
As of 2024, 14.5 percent of the adult population in Spain was estimated to have used illicit drugs in the previous year, with this being the highest estimated figure in any European country.
www.statista.com
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/pfshb4/percent_of_adults_1564_that_have_used_an_illegal/
Russia and the Baltics matched with the Nordics here:
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Norway/comments/1bk9pe6/drugs_death_rates_in_europe_im_from_a_3rd_world/
This is from a study specifically about drug use among HIV-positive people:
Yes, once again, West Slavs and a good number of Balkaners utterly fail to impress.
Yes, this is the type of Slavpill where we are on the same note. Life here is shit if you are a man, and endless simpery along with the possibility of just finding a guy from one of the richer countries right next door if you are a woman, and that's why those countries have the highest difference between male and female suicide rates in the world.
Male-to-female ratio of suicide rate
Estimated ratio of male to female suicide rates; a ratio greater than one indicates higher suicide rates in men. Suicide deaths are underreported in many countries due to social stigma and cultural or legal concerns. This data includes modeling based on global suicide patterns, and includes...
ourworldindata.org
>2010
Refer back to what I said about rather outdated maps.
Maps of percentage of pregnancies aborted in Europe--by country
www.johnstonsarchive.net
This source even has the map you posted as the oldest source, so it's easy to compare the change.
Funnily enough, this study I found actually compared 1990 and 2009 data, just one year off of that map, to show that abortion rates in the countries I constantly talk about (West Slavs) have actually been falling year on year to average European levels as those countries have been getting richer.
True. Though I'd point out that EE countries have rates you'd expect given their GDP per capita levels, as shown by how close they are to Med countries.
Russians do for sure. Czechs, Slovenes etc., I've never really heard being especially obnoxious in online gaming.
I never said that they would be at Western European levels, I'm just pointing out that their country's average is pulled up by non-Slavs. Considering the massive GDP per capita difference as well as the difference in the ability of authorities to monitor their territories and properly respond to crimes, it would require a miracle for them to be.
Also, two things. First, most of the maps you've posted just support exactly what I'm saying. My point is, Eastern Slavs are at a completely different place to Western Slavs and richer Balkaners, with the latter two being barely different to other Europeans, and most of the stuff you've posted literally says exactly that, so I'm not even really sure what we are debating
Second off, a lot of the stuff you post seems rather outdated. Like for example, both this and the previous homicide rate map you've posted are from like 2012. The 2022 data are actually exactly the reason why I'm specifying "Western Slavs and richer Balkaners" in this discussion, since I've checked the latest data, and originally I wanted to talk just about Western Slavs, but it seems like most Balkaners are likewise well within European standards by now.
List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1f888ok/homicide_rate_of_european_countries_in_2022/
I'm the very last person who would deny the Slavpill, but the variant of it you seem to be pushing where east of Germany there's a sea of intimidating ogremaxxed low IQ dangerous gopniks who would destroy you the moment you look wrongly at them just flat-out doesn't exist. In fact, it's quite the opposite, as my entire point was that a good number of Slavic nations are on average very nonthreatening and not dangerous in the slightest.
IQ and GDP per capita have like a 0.5 correlation, not 1. It's perfectly possible to fall behind even with a decent IQ (by almost every metric we have, Japan's average IQ is higher than the US' yet the GDP per capita gap between them has only grown in the latter's favor in recent decades.) If anything, those countries' catching up to the West is proof that they are very similar in IQ terms, which as @Squatting Slavcel pointed out, is what every large-scale international IQ testing had shown. As, in recent decades, it just so happens that it's exactly the countries which were much poorer than they should be given their IQs (East Asians and non-East Slavs) that have grown abnormally quickly:
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List of countries by past GDP growth - Wikipedia
Discounting any outside factors holding them back and acting like every country is already at the top of its potential and performing exactly as well as it ever could is a bit of a Just World Fallacy ngl
Proof? I posted what I could find regarding kidnapping/going missing rates above, and Slavic EU members were perfectly comparable to other EU countries. Here's one more I found:
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Kidnapping rate by country, around the world | TheGlobalEconomy.com
The average for 2017 based on 65 countries was 1.8 kidnappings per 100,000 people. The highest value was in Belgium: 10.3 kidnappings per 100,000 people and the lowest value was in Bermuda: 0 kidnappings per 100,000 people. The indicator is available from 2003 to 2017. Below is a chart for all...www.theglobaleconomy.com
From what I could find, 90%+ of missing people are eventually found in basically every European country if not in the wider world as well, and able-bodied adults, who are the majority of murder victims, are strongly underrepresented among missing people, who tend to be either minors from shit backgrounds or seniors with physical and mental health problems.
From what I've found, these patterns hold here in Slovakia, with about 2,500 missing people annually of which well over 90% are later found.
Polícii vlani oznámili 2 411 nezvestných osôb do 18 rokov
Medzi prípadmi sú úteky z domova aj rodičovské únosy.www.sme.sk
A 2014 source, which is the only one I could find yet, claims that around 5% of missing people cases in Serbia remain unsolved, which by now should've even improved since Serbia's gotten wealthier and police resources would've gotten better as well.
Their annual amount of missing people is around 3,000, by the way.
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In Montenegro last year, 183 people went missing and only 12 weren't found yet:
183 people reported missing this year — 12 still unfound - CdM
Disappearances remain a recurring issue in Montenegro, with 183 people reported missing since the beginning of 2025. Of that number, 171 individuals have been
A tiny number, but Montenegro is one of the poorest and most corrupt Balkan countries, if there's any country except for the non-Slavic Albania where you'd see a suspicious amount of adults disappearing because murders are being misclassified as missing cases, this is
Compare that with the UK, which has about 330,000 missing people cases per year, respectively, with at least 97% of those people being found.
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France has about 50,000.
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Since both the UK and France have about fourteen times higher populations than Serbia and Slovakia, per capita, it seems to me that its the UK which is an outlier in terms of missing people, while the other three are almost uncannily similar, with France's numbers being higher by almost exactly the same amount as its total population is.
Yes, it's a backward and impoverished country that's hard to police and govern and whose rural regions are Third World-tier by most standards. It would be a miracle if it had crime rates even near the European average, though it does need to be pointed out that the places which actually can be effectively policed and have decent standards of living (which are really only Moscow and St. Petersburg), are doing much better there.
List of federal subjects of Russia by murder rate - Wikipedia
The latest data is from 2017, so already close to being a decade out of date, but the pattern is pretty clear, those two cities have much lower homicide rates than the rest of the country, and actually are now even closer to European average than to their own rates pre-2000. I think I already touched on this above, but if you've ever watched or read debates on the death penalty, you probably know that it's not the severity of punishment that deters crime, but the swiftness of response and likelihood of being caught. In that regard, European countries are much better than East Slavic ones, where only the big cities are comparable to Europe while the rest is too dysfunctional and poor to be able to have effective policing, though it still needs to be taken into account as an external factor.
And also, that works in Europe as well, which is why so many both Western and Eastern capitals and other big cities have homicide rates much lower than even the whitest US states.
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European homicide rates are tiny compared to those in America
And what it tells us about the Overton window and perceptions of 'normal' in transatlantic context.
True, though Benelux had a decent number of light blue regions as well, while southern Scotland was in the same category as Croatia.
Again, I'm not saying that those countries are going to be Western European level or anything, and if there's someone going to be at the bottom of charts like this, it is going to be the poorest and least developed countries, but considering how tiny the differences (Croatia and Bulgaria were about 10% worse than Belgium, Sweden and Finland) are compared to how big the GDP per capita ones are, it's quite clear that those populations have very little genetic differences when it comes to stuff linked to antisocial and violent behaviour, since even large economic differences can't create much.
Btw, I think you are underestimating the Gypsy factor here. Western countries aren't the only ones who have nonwhite minorities whose crime rates are higher than that of the white majority. Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia and Serbia all have Romanis as roughly 10% of their population. American blacks already show how a minority with that share of population can completely change crime statistics compared to what they would be if only the white majority lived in that country (going back to the missing people stuff, I know for a fact that they should be overrepresented in Slovakia in that regard), and while they aren't as aggressive and violent as American blacks are, they might actually be even lower IQ.
According to the latest PISA results, American blacks' average is around that of Greece:
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Infographics/comments/1re0s8k/2022_pisa_performance_with_america_split_by_race/
Now, we don't know exactly how Gypsies alone score, but we can infer it pretty well, since they are about 10% of the total population in those countries, and are almost invariably the poorest part of their population. Luckily for us, the latest PISA also did a division by income deciles.
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The students from the bottom 10% of income in those four countries are abysmal even by the standards of non-OECD SEA countries there. Serbia's bottom decile, in particular, seems to have been the worst performing decile in the testing at all, being slightly behind even Dominican Republic's or Cambodia's worst performing deciles. Meanwhile, the average and above-average deciles were at a completely different place, with Slovakia's being neck-and-neck with Austria's, Serbia's with the US', and so on.
So yeah, they aren't as aggressive as blacks, but are even worse integrated and definitely need to be taken into account when talking about the crime rates in those countries, and in other countries there as well.
Yeah, I'm just pointing out that those Russians are in the Baltics what their own indigenous minorities are in Siberia. Poorfags living in shit regions whose higher crime rate is basically certain because of that.
Maybe, but it's also the most objective one I can think of. Addicts can use a thousand different tricks to remain undercounted, not get caught, and so on, but everyone uses a toilet.
Westerners seem to do both hard and soft drugs much more than Easterners. Czechs are a partial exception, as they are just about the richest Easterners, and so have greater abilitiy to purchase both types of drugs.
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Illicit drug use prevalence in Europe in 2024| Statista
As of 2024, 14.5 percent of the adult population in Spain was estimated to have used illicit drugs in the previous year, with this being the highest estimated figure in any European country.
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/pfshb4/percent_of_adults_1564_that_have_used_an_illegal/
Russia and the Baltics matched with the Nordics here:
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Norway/comments/1bk9pe6/drugs_death_rates_in_europe_im_from_a_3rd_world/
This is from a study specifically about drug use among HIV-positive people:
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Yes, once again, West Slavs and a good number of Balkaners utterly fail to impress.
Yes, this is the type of Slavpill where we are on the same note. Life here is shit if you are a man, and endless simpery along with the possibility of just finding a guy from one of the richer countries right next door if you are a woman, and that's why those countries have the highest difference between male and female suicide rates in the world.
Male-to-female ratio of suicide rate
Estimated ratio of male to female suicide rates; a ratio greater than one indicates higher suicide rates in men. Suicide deaths are underreported in many countries due to social stigma and cultural or legal concerns. This data includes modeling based on global suicide patterns, and includes...
>2010
Refer back to what I said about rather outdated maps.
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Maps of percentage of pregnancies aborted in Europe--by country
www.johnstonsarchive.net
This source even has the map you posted as the oldest source, so it's easy to compare the change.
Funnily enough, this study I found actually compared 1990 and 2009 data, just one year off of that map, to show that abortion rates in the countries I constantly talk about (West Slavs) have actually been falling year on year to average European levels as those countries have been getting richer.
True. Though I'd point out that EE countries have rates you'd expect given their GDP per capita levels, as shown by how close they are to Med countries.
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Russians do for sure. Czechs, Slovenes etc., I've never really heard being especially obnoxious in online gaming.
Nice effortpost. Wasting time though, op is a troll.
I literally posted a map by region of Russia and the homicide rate was much higher. I can post a map of the homicide rate for all of Europe, including Slavic states with no non-white ethnic minorities. You are acting like Western Europe is a whitetopia when it is less white than Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, and the Baltic states but it still does better in every metric. Nearly all homicides in Western Europe are by browns. The difference would be even wider without them.
All of Europe and you can see that all of Eastern Europe, not just Russia alone have a higher homicide rate despite the West being filled with browns. Recent data from 2018.
By region. Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian, and Baltic states are all much higher despite being whiter than the West.
I posted a 2018 map. It's still just as shit and I promise it's awful even now. All crime in Western Europe is committed by non-Western Europeans, too.
I already said in my first post. Western Slavs are not as bad as Eastern Slavs. I still think they are worse than Western Euros.
The Balkans have a much lower IQ than Northwestern Europeans. Eastern Slavs perform worse but not by a huge amount. IQ is not a perfect measure of intelligence. Two populations can perform similarly on these tests but have radically different outcomes, as we see between Eastern and Western Europe. Western Europe has always been more developed than the East going back centuries. This is not a recent phenomenon caused by communism as Slavs like to cope with. The West has always been more technologically and economically advanced than the East for centuries.
Here is an IQ map of Europe. Western Europe is at the top followed by the East and the Balkans are last.
You posted kidnapping data. Kidnapping or abduction is not the same thing at all as someone going missing without a trace. It is easier to get away with murder in corrupt impoverished Eastern European shitholes than in Western Europe. A murder with no body found is a missing person's case not a kidnapping case. Once again I doubt the record-keeping for homicides or crime in general is up to Western standards in Ukraine or Russia or Belarus. Even with these problems and the vast number of non-whites in Western Europe, Eastern Europe still has a much higher homicide rate.
Exactly which is why it's also easier to get away with homicide and other crimes there. In the picture I just posted all the regions of Russia including Moscow and St. Petersburg had higher rates than Western Europe and those are the two most developed cities in the entire country. I could just as easily pick the most peaceful towns in Western Europe and use them for a comparison.
It doesn't even matter because the homicide rates are much higher. Even if we assume the data is 100% accurate the rates are much higher in Eastern Europe.
I already posted a map of the homicide rate of all of Europe including the East. The data is from 2018. Eastern Europe has a much higher homicide rate than Western Europe. It's not a uniquely Russian thing that is being caused by non-whites in Russia. It's the same in Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltics, and much of the Balkans. It's even higher in ethnic Russian regions in Russia. If you are going to use the excuse of non-whites being responsible for crime that would be a bigger issue in the West than in the East as a whole.
America has a high homicide rate because of the widespread availability of guns, its black population, and insane inequality. White Americans have crime rates similar to those of White Europeans.
Here is another photo of the homicide rate in Europe.
Here is the homicide rate by race in America. You can see it's all being driven by mainly blacks and other ethnics. White Americans are comparable to Europeans, despite the massive inequality and social ills in the country.
No, it's not the Baltics and even the Balkans have a much higher violent crime rate including homicide than Western Europe. This is true even for their diaspora in the West. I have already posted a million maps disproving this. In your own cherry-picked photo the Baltics and Balkans were higher.
Bro, it's the non-whites bro. Western Europeans can use this exact same argument. Gypsies are nowhere near as violent as MENA immigrants in the West or even Balkan immigrants. Gypsies commit petty crimes like pickpocketing or begging. They are nothing like American blacks at all. I already posted a statistic of American homicide rates broken down by race and you won't see anything like that by gypsies in the West.
Here is the crime in Germany by nationality. You can see that Slavic immigrants have a much higher crime rate than ethnic Germans. For example the homicide rate of Russians is nearly 7 times higher than Germans. Russians, Serbians, and Poles are overrepresented in all crimes. Serbians Albanians also but I am sure you don't consider them Slavs. Serbians are nearly 10x overrepresented for robbery. I know you will say IT'S THE GYPSIES BRO! But Russia and Poland don't have that many and I promise with Serbs it's ethnic Serbians.
Basically, if immigrants didn't exist crime in Germany and Western Europe would be at East Asian levels.
First of all there is ZERO evidence that gypsies are 10% of the population in Eastern Europe. You pulled that number straight out of your ass.
"Romani people, or Roma,the are a recognized ethnic minority in Serbia.[3] According to data from the 2022 census, they are the fourth largest ethnic group in the country, numbering 131,936 and constituting 2% of the total population.[2] However, owing to various factors, the census figure likely underrepresents the actual population."
Officially they are 2% in Serbia well under 10%.
"Romani people in Romania, locally and pejoratively[2] referred to as the Țigani (IPA: [t͡siˈɡanʲ]), constitute the second largest ethnic minority in the country behind Hungarians. According to the 2021 census, their number was 569,477 people, constituting 3.4% of the total population.[1]"
3.4% in Romania
"Accordithe ng to the latest census in 2011, the number of the Romani is 325,343, constituting 4.4% of the total population"
4.4% in Bulgaria.
They are 2% of the population in Serbia. You don't understand how bell curves work. There is a huge variation in IQ within ethnic groups. 2% gypsies is not enough to bring down the bottom 10% by that much. The bottom 2% of Northwestern Europeans have an IQ of 69. The bottom 10% has an IQ of 80. Balkan Slavs are just dumb. It's not really the gypsies all that much. This has nothing to do with violence and anti-social behaviour. Gypsies are non-violent beggars. Immigrants in Western Europe commit more violent crimes.
It's nothing compared to the statistics I posted in Germany. It would be even worse in Sweden or other Nordic states. Slavs are vastly overrepresented in all crimes. Russians 7 fold for murder and Serbians 10 fold for robbery.
They are poor because they are dumb... Which explains everything else from the aids rate to the murders.
The stark differences in HIV rates are caused by intravenous drug use. These are NEW diagnoses in 2019. New data. Russia had 549 while Germany only had 37. It's that extreme and is being partly caused by rampant drug use.
I know but the high suicide rate is another symptom of a dysfunctional nation.
They are below Med countries which are notoriously corrupt states ruled by mafia. In the picture I posted they were well below meds and closer to Turkey. Some were worse than Turkey, like with Russia and Ukraine. The data is from 2022. It is new. Greece is Balkan in my opinion but it still did better than all of them.
I said in my original post that Western Slavs are not as bad. I don't really hate Slavs.
Here is my honest opinion on Slavs. They are less intelligent than Western Europeans (like nearly everybody). They are somewhat more antisocial and violent. That being said they have a huge amount of dormant potential to develop. They are pretty good by global standards. Western Slavs seem to be better than the East and Balkans.
Where have I even implied that I don't know how many browns there are in the West? My point is exactly the opposite, that just as you can't immediately look at whole country statistics and say that they apply to the white majority in Western countries, so too should people at least think twice before doing so for other EE countries.
Baltics, Ukraine and Belarus are solidly white, of course, but you seem to have repeatedly implied that Russia is much whiter than it is, when it's one of the least white countries in Europe. Ethnic Russians are almost certain to be less than 80% of their country, the other East Slavs don't add much to it, and there are basically no other white people living in Russia.
Fair enough, I guess that was a bit of an unfair hyperbole from me. Still, I posted newer data
.I just looked for 2023 data. It doesn't have Eastern Slavs, but apart from Lithuania and Latvia (Turkey doesn't count for obvious reasons), nobody reaches even the level of white Americans (2 per 100,000) you've included later in your post.
As for Russia, I found some 2020 stuff, I don't know how legit it is though it seems to actually be based on some actual data. It has Moscow at 1.6 per 100,000 homicide rate, and multiple ethnically Russian and Caucasian Muslim regions at less than 3 per 100,000.
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Yeah, and I admitted that this is something we can agree on. The part I disagree with is the specific breed of worse. You seem to believe that West Slavs are the same kind of dangerous, badass, dominant alpha gopniks you could expect to see in Russia's poorfag regions, just scaled down. I say that, by and large, we are sad, dorky and harmless losers with inferiority complexes, who would be much more likely to be beaten up abroad than to beat someone up ourselves. Like one of the wildest parts of growing up for me was realizing how much the people I once considered to be cool, scary and badass were the same type of dorks that I was, just non-incel and extroverted ones, but still barely any less likely to get a broken jaw if they went abroad and tried to be too aggressive with MENAs, blacks, or yes, even white Westerners.
IQ isn't perfect, but it's consistently proven itself to be just about the best we have, and I agree. Other factors also matter, that's why, as I've pointed out, IQ's correlation with GDP per capita is about 40%, not 100%.
Yes, I know. EE's GDP per capita seems to have on average been at about 65%(?) of WE's average for centuries.
View: https://x.com/philippmkoch/status/1835937929497039284#m
True, though tbh, only the Balkans are really notably out of step with the rest of Europe. The countries I constantly single out (West Slavs and Slovenes and Croats) are perfectly in line with WE and Russia and Poland are comparable to Norway, Italy and Spain. 1-2 IQ point differences, even at that scale, I can imagine could still be statistical noise just because of how small such differences really are.
I posted both kidnapping and what I could find of missing, as the latter doesn't seem to have a comprehensive comparison table or map anywhere. Per capita, Slovakia and Serbia, whom I chose as representatives for the region in general, though I highly doubt that anything wildly different would show up with others, have per capita annual missing cases basically the same as France, with the exact same trends going on there. Well over 90% of cases are quickly solved, and it's mostly runaways from orphanages/foster families, other young runaways from shit households, and elderly people with dementia and other mental problems.
That in general seems to be the case everywhere in Europe at least.
Yeah, but it's hard to deny that they are falling down substantially quickly, and as I've already said multiple times, I'm comparing those two cities to the rest of Russia to show how big just the effects of more effective policing can be even when the populations are genetically the same as in badly-policed regions.
Yes, that's why since my first post I keep specifying "Western Slavs and richer Balkaners", since it's those countries which the maps both of us have posted here repeatedly show to be as far from the ruthless, badass street-fighting thug stereotype as possible. However, now that I've dug a bit deeper and seen the stats for Russia, for example, and how much the homicide rate there had declined in recent years, I can't not give credit where credit's due, even if I don't like praising Russia too much.
Higher than WE for sure, though lower than the average of the entire country. Just pointing that out, since the wording here could be a bit confusing.
That's a secondary argument I brought up mainly to remind you that there's non-whites with higher crime rates than the white majority in EE as well, and that a good part of the region at least is not the lily-white gated community a lot of people not living here seem to believe it to be.
If you go through my previous posts, my main argument was pointing out that the main societal driver of low crime rates is the speed and effectiveness of response, which as I've mentioned before, is often brought up in debates about the death penalty, to point out the meaninglessness of severe punishment when the way to have prevented the crimes from happening in the first place would've been for it to be absolutely certain that the perpetrator will be caught quickly.
That is something that is much more present in WE countries than in the rest of the continent, and in fact had been present there for a long time, which is why we see the meteoritic downfall of homicide rates there already in the 18th century, with the rest of the continent joining it over time:
Poverty itself doesn't cause crime, but it does limit what the police forces can afford and how effective they can be.
We even see this between different medieval societies even. Danish and Norwegian Vikings were genetically pretty much the same, but Denmark was a centralized and organized country while Norway was a clannish, decentralized society, and that's why, as researchers recently found, the latter was far more violent than the former.
Yes, that last part deserves a mention here, Russia is a runner-up to the US in overall inequality, along with Lithuania apparently
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List of countries by income inequality - Wikipedia
and still actually overtakes it I believe in some modified metrics of it (stuff like first quintile/fifth quintile income ratio and top 1%'s share of income/wealth).
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Yes, and in this map, just as in that comparison from that substack I've posted above, almost all countries apart from the Baltics and East Slavs have lower homicide rates than even the whitest US states. Maine is 90%+ white and has one of the lowest homicide rates in the US with 2.2 per 100,000, which if put here, would still have it on (non-Slavic) Albania's level and just 10-15% lower than (likewise non-Slavic) Hungary, which has the highest level of non-Baltic EU members.
Also, before you've mentioned the amount of guns as one of the reasons for America's homicide rate. Apparently, Serbia has the highest numbers in Europe, yet according to this very map, their homicide rate is half that of America's whitest state. Just thought I'd point that out, I just found this but it definitely needs to be mentioned in here.
Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country - Wikipedia
Yes, though if the 0,7 per 100,000 homicide rate is still actual for East Asia, a surprising number of EU countries (including Poland, Romania, Hungary, Croatia, Czechia and Slovenia) are already at that level, or much closer to it than the white Americans' 2 per 100,000.
If you're talking about the "assault-related deaths" one, that was literally the opposite of cherrypicked since it was the only one I could find that included both intentional homicides and manslaughters as the data on the latter is hard to find.
A diaspora's crime rate is strongly dependant on which particular subpopulation of the sender country comprises it. If that subgroup is mostly the specific type inclined to commit crimes and cause trouble (and I'm not talking specifically about Gypsies or young men or whatever here, just overall the problematic people in general who are quite likely to be unemployed and be willing to try going for NEETbux in a foreign country) then that's going to show.
Since you've mentioned Nordics, comparing Denmark's data with UK's migrant crime tables from 2019 and 2024 shows this pretty nicely.
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/q9bl95/incarceration_rate_by_nationality_england_and/
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/1e1g2c7/unlike_many_other_coward_countries_denmark/
In the Danish data, "Yugoslavs", Serbs and Montenegrins are MENA-tier, Bosnians are three times overrepresented compared to Danish baseline, "Czechoslovaks" two times, Poles, Russians, Lithuanians and Latvians are about 10-20% overrepresented and comparable to Icelanders, while Romanians, Bulgarians, Ukrainians, Hungarians and Estonians are underrepresented.
On the other hand, British 2019 data has Poles and Russians both underrepresented and on par with the Chinese, along with Hungarians. That's despite in their home countries, Hungarians having about twice the murder rate of Poles, Russians having three or four times higher than Hungarians, and the Chinese having the lowest of them, or comparable to Poles according to that 2022 and 2023 data I posted and the US crime rates by race compared to world regions you've posted.
For example, the British data has Czechs comparable to Nigerians and noticeably overrepresented compared to Slovaks (we are right above the British themselves) despite Nigeria's latest homicide rate being 20x higher than Czechia's, and the latter consistently having lower crime rates than us. That's clear preselection, only the richest and best-educated Nigerians can make it to the UK and Europe in general (which I guess is also the reason why they are decidedly at the bottom in the German data you've shared), while every poorfag social case in the EU who wanted to try living in the UK for a while could do so for years. Adding to that, I've recently read an article about how we Slovaks have always been and still are much more likely to emigrate than Czechs, so if it takes being much more antisocial on average to leave Czechia than Slovakia, then it's easy to see how their diaspora can be twice as criminal as ours when their country is normally half as much as ours, if not less. That's the kind of thing you need to keep in mind when talking abot this specific subject.
I didn't say that they are 10% of the population of of Eastern Europe, I said that they are about 10% in those countries. My bad, admittedly, a better description would be "up to" 10%.
Their numbers are well-known to be underreported as most of them either don't declare their ethnicity on censuses or pick another one, and what you posted even mentions that (the part I bolded.)
That's why Wikipedia posts ranges of population instead of actual population numbers there.
Here in Slovakia for example, once you look past officially declared ethnicities and look at what ethnicity people actually are, as recorded by their own organizations, there's about three times as many Roma as officially stated, about 8 or 9% of the population:
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And I'm pretty sure the same is the case in other of those four countries:
Well, I had just a semester or two of statistics in college, so I'll admit I probably can't claim to be an expert on bell curves, but just looking at the PISA tables there it's easy to see that something weird's going on with those countries as their bottom deciles are extreme outliers and perform much worse than they should given where their averages are. Slovakia's middle decile and all higher deciles are neck-and-neck with their peers from Austria. Serbia's middle decile is on the level of US' and all the higher ones keep pace with them, save for the highest deciles where Americans are much better, but Serbia's tenth decile is still better than Americans's ninth. And yet, their bottom deciles are completely third world and not even comparable to their peers in those countries.
Either it just so happens that the countries with an unknown and undercounted number of a notoriously badly integrated minority have a weird situation where the dumbest students are for some reason much dumber than they should be given any normal statistical distribution and with most of them being of the majority ethnicity, or it's just that those test results are in fact a decent proxy for guessing the numbers of kids from this notoriously badly integrated and impoverished minority.
I explicitly said that they aren't as aggressive as American blacks. Obviously, they also aren't as violent as MENA migrants and others like that, but they are still blatantly more violent and dysfunctional than the white majorities in their countries.
This anime girl poster in Hungary claimed they commit 66% of the crimes there, I think that's obviously bullshit, but there's no way they aren't at least twice or thrice as likely to commit crimes as the white majorities.
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/1azrlsm/hey_oniichan_did_you_know_that_gypsies_make_up/
Possibly, but I would say that them being hated by the Baltic majorities and not getting shit from them is also a very significant factor.
Yes, and I just pointed out that this is another map where West Slavs and richer Balkaners fail to be anywhere near East Slavs at all, along with posting the overdose-related maps and so on to be fully fair to the Russians and others.
True, but also of highly gynocentric ones. I just wanted to highlight that.
Lithuania apparently managed to halve it since the 90s. We'll see how the ones in the rest of the region evolve over time.
Suicide rates in Lithuania have more than halved since their 1990s peak
Following the collapse of the Soviet Union and the social and economic disruption that it left behind, suicide rates in Lithuania increased rapidly. They climbed in the early 1990s and reached a peak in 1995. At 45 suicide deaths per 100,000 people, the country had one of the highest rates in...
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True, just pointing out that by now they are already comparable to WE countries, even if said WE countries are Italy and Spain. Just a decade ago, that wouldn't have been the case.
Fair enough, I also think I've already explained myself pretty well earlier in the post.
Where have I even implied that I don't know how many browns there are in the West? My point is exactly the opposite, that just as you can't immediately look at whole country statistics and say that they apply to the white majority in Western countries, so too should people at least think twice before doing so for other EE countries.
Baltics, Ukraine and Belarus are solidly white, of course, but you seem to have repeatedly implied that Russia is much whiter than it is, when it's one of the least white countries in Europe. Ethnic Russians are almost certain to be less than 80% of their country, the other East Slavs don't add much to it, and there are basically no other white people living in Russia.
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Fair enough, I guess that was a bit of an unfair hyperbole from me. Still, I posted newer data
I just looked for 2023 data. It doesn't have Eastern Slavs, but apart from Lithuania and Latvia (Turkey doesn't count for obvious reasons), nobody reaches even the level of white Americans (2 per 100,000) you've included later in your post.
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As for Russia, I found some 2020 stuff, I don't know how legit it is though it seems to actually be based on some actual data. It has Moscow at 1.6 per 100,000 homicide rate, and multiple ethnically Russian and Caucasian Muslim regions at less than 3 per 100,000.
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/geography/comments/1od9vul/homicide_rates_in_russia_by_regions_2020/
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Yeah, and I admitted that this is something we can agree on. The part I disagree with is the specific breed of worse. You seem to believe that West Slavs are the same kind of dangerous, badass, dominant alpha gopniks you could expect to see in Russia's poorfag regions, just scaled down. I say that, by and large, we are sad, dorky and harmless losers with inferiority complexes, who would be much more likely to be beaten up abroad than to beat someone up ourselves. Like one of the wildest parts of growing up for me was realizing how much the people I once considered to be cool, scary and badass were the same type of dorks that I was, just non-incel and extroverted ones, but still barely any less likely to get a broken jaw if they went abroad and tried to be too aggressive with MENAs, blacks, or yes, even white Westerners.
IQ isn't perfect, but it's consistently proven itself to be just about the best we have, and I agree. Other factors also matter, that's why, as I've pointed out, IQ's correlation with GDP per capita is about 40%, not 100%.
Yes, I know. EE's GDP per capita seems to have on average been at about 65%(?) of WE's average for centuries.
View: https://x.com/philippmkoch/status/1835937929497039284#m
True, though tbh, only the Balkans are really notably out of step with the rest of Europe. The countries I constantly single out (West Slavs and Slovenes and Croats) are perfectly in line with WE and Russia and Poland are comparable to Norway, Italy and Spain. 1-2 IQ point differences, even at that scale, I can imagine could still be statistical noise just because of how small such differences really are.
I posted both kidnapping and what I could find of missing, as the latter doesn't seem to have a comprehensive comparison table or map anywhere. Per capita, Slovakia and Serbia, whom I chose as representatives for the region in general, though I highly doubt that anything wildly different would show up with others, have per capita annual missing cases basically the same as France, with the exact same trends going on there. Well over 90% of cases are quickly solved, and it's mostly runaways from orphanages/foster families, other young runaways from shit households, and elderly people with dementia and other mental problems.
That in general seems to be the case everywhere in Europe at least.
Yeah, but it's hard to deny that they are falling down substantially quickly, and as I've already said multiple times, I'm comparing those two cities to the rest of Russia to show how big just the effects of more effective policing can be even when the populations are genetically the same as in badly-policed regions.
Yes, that's why since my first post I keep specifying "Western Slavs and richer Balkaners", since it's those countries which the maps both of us have posted here repeatedly show to be as far from the ruthless, badass street-fighting thug stereotype as possible. However, now that I've dug a bit deeper and seen the stats for Russia, for example, and how much the homicide rate there had declined in recent years, I can't not give credit where credit's due, even if I don't like praising Russia too much.
Higher than WE for sure, though lower than the average of the entire country. Just pointing that out, since the wording here could be a bit confusing.
That's a secondary argument I brought up mainly to remind you that there's non-whites with higher crime rates than the white majority in EE as well, and that a good part of the region at least is not the lily-white gated community a lot of people not living here seem to believe it to be.
If you go through my previous posts, my main argument was pointing out that the main societal driver of low crime rates is the speed and effectiveness of response, which as I've mentioned before, is often brought up in debates about the death penalty, to point out the meaninglessness of severe punishment when the way to have prevented the crimes from happening in the first place would've been for it to be absolutely certain that the perpetrator will be caught quickly.
That is something that is much more present in WE countries than in the rest of the continent, and in fact had been present there for a long time, which is why we see the meteoritic downfall of homicide rates there already in the 18th century, with the rest of the continent joining it over time:
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Poverty itself doesn't cause crime, but it does limit what the police forces can afford and how effective they can be.
We even see this between different medieval societies even. Danish and Norwegian Vikings were genetically pretty much the same, but Denmark was a centralized and organized country while Norway was a clannish, decentralized society, and that's why, as researchers recently found, the latter was far more violent than the former.
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Yes, that last part deserves a mention here, Russia is a runner-up to the US in overall inequality, along with Lithuania apparently
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and still actually overtakes it I believe in some modified metrics of it (stuff like first quintile/fifth quintile income ratio and top 1%'s share of income/wealth).
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Yes, and in this map, just as in that comparison from that substack I've posted above, almost all countries apart from the Baltics and East Slavs have lower homicide rates than even the whitest US states. Maine is 90%+ white and has one of the lowest homicide rates in the US with 2.2 per 100,000, which if put here, would still have it on (non-Slavic) Albania's level and just 10-15% lower than (likewise non-Slavic) Hungary, which has the highest level of non-Baltic EU members.
Also, before you've mentioned the amount of guns as one of the reasons for America's homicide rate. Apparently, Serbia has the highest numbers in Europe, yet according to this very map, their homicide rate is half that of America's whitest state. Just thought I'd point that out, I just found this but it definitely needs to be mentioned in here.
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Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country - Wikipedia
Yes, though if the 0,7 per 100,000 homicide rate is still actual for East Asia, a surprising number of EU countries (including Poland, Romania, Hungary, Croatia, Czechia and Slovenia) are already at that level, or much closer to it than the white Americans' 2 per 100,000.
If you're talking about the "assault-related deaths" one, that was literally the opposite of cherrypicked since it was the only one I could find that included both intentional homicides and manslaughters as the data on the latter is hard to find.
A diaspora's crime rate is strongly dependant on which particular subpopulation of the sender country comprises it. If that subgroup is mostly the specific type inclined to commit crimes and cause trouble (and I'm not talking specifically about Gypsies or young men or whatever here, just overall the problematic people in general who are quite likely to be unemployed and be willing to try going for NEETbux in a foreign country) then that's going to show.
Since you've mentioned Nordics, comparing Denmark's data with UK's migrant crime tables from 2019 and 2024 shows this pretty nicely.
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/q9bl95/incarceration_rate_by_natiequaly_england_and/
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/1e1g2c7/unlike_many_other_coward_countries_denmark/
In the Danish data, "Yugoslavs", Serbs and Montenegrins are MENA-tier, Bosnians are three times overrepresented compared to Danish baseline, "Czechoslovaks" two times, Poles, Russians, Lithuanians and Latvians are about 10-20% overrepresented and comparable to Icelanders, while Romanians, Bulgarians, Ukrainians, Hungarians and Estonians are underrepresented.
On the other hand, British 2019 data has Poles and Russians both underrepresented and on par with the Chinese, along with Hungarians. That's despite in their home countries, Hungarians having about twice the murder rate of Poles, Russians having three or four times higher than Hungarians, and the Chinese having the lowest of them, or comparable to Poles according to that 2022 and 2023 data I posted and the US crime rates by race compared to world regions you've posted.
For example, the British data has Czechs comparable to Nigerians and noticeably overrepresented compared to Slovaks (we are right above the British themselves) despite Nigeria's latest homicide rate being 20x higher than Czechia's, and the latter consistently having lower crime rates than us. That's clear preselection, only the richest and best-educated Nigerians can make it to the UK and Europe in general (which I guess is also the reason why they are decidedly at the bottom in the German data you've shared), while every poorfag social case in the EU who wanted to try living in the UK for a while could do so for years. Adding to that, I've recently read an article about how we Slovaks have always been and still are much more likely to emigrate than Czechs, so if it takes being much more antisocial on average to leave Czechia than Slovakia, then it's easy to see how their diaspora can be twice as criminal as ours when their country is normally half as much as ours, if not less. That's the kind of thing you need to keep in mind when talking abot this specific subject.
I didn't say that they are 10% of the population of of Eastern Europe, I said that they are about 10% in those countries. My bad, admittedly, a better description would be "up to" 10%.
Their numbers are well-known to be underreported as most of them either don't declare their ethnicity on censuses or pick another one, and what you posted even mentions that (the part I bolded.)
That's why Wikipedia posts ranges of population instead of actual population numbers there.
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Here in Slovakia for example, once you look past officially declared ethnicities and look at what ethnicity people actually are, as recorded by their own organizations, there's about three times as many Roma as officially stated, about 8 or 9% of the population:
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Trenč, okres Lučenec. Z 558 obyvateľov obce sa v sčítaní obyvateľov k rómskej národnosti prihlásili šiesti. Ďalší desiati rómsku národnosť uviedli ako svoju ďalšiu národnosť. Národnosť a ďalšia národnosť sú technické pojmy, kvôli lepšiemu porozumeniu ich nazývajme prvá a druhá národnosť. Ľudia...
And I'm pretty sure the same is the case in other of those four countries:
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Well, I had just a semester or two of statistics in college, so I'll admit I probably can't claim to be an expert on bell curves, but just looking at the PISA tables there it's easy to see that something weird's going on with those countries as their bottom deciles are extreme outliers and perform much worse than they should given where their averages are. Slovakia's middle decile and all higher deciles are neck-and-neck with their peers from Austria. Serbia's middle decile is on the level of US' and all the higher ones keep pace with them, save for the highest deciles where Americans are much better, but Serbia's tenth decile is still better than Americans's ninth. And yet, their bottom deciles are completely third world and not even comparable to their peers in those countries.
Either it just so happens that the countries with an unknown and undercounted number of a notoriously badly integrated minority have a weird situation where the dumbest students are for some reason much dumber than they should be given any normal statistical distribution and with most of them being of the majority ethnicity, or it's just that those test results are in fact a decent proxy for guessing the numbers of kids from this notoriously badly integrated and impoverished minority.
I explicitly said that they aren't as aggressive as American blacks. Obviously, they also aren't as violent as MENA migrants and others like that, but they are still blatantly more violent and dysfunctional than the white majorities in their countries.
This anime girl poster in Hungary claimed they commit 66% of the crimes there, I think that's obviously bullshit, but there's no way they aren't at least twice or thrice as likely to commit crimes as the white majorities.
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/1azrlsm/hey_oniichan_did_you_know_that_gypsies_make_up/
Possibly, but I would say that them being hated by the Baltic majorities and not getting shit from them is also a very significant factor.
Yes, and I just pointed out that this is another map where West Slavs and richer Balkaners fail to be anywhere near East Slavs at all, along with posting the overdose-related maps and so on to be fully fair to the Russians and others.
True, but also of highly gynocentric ones. I just wanted to highlight that.
Lithuania apparently managed to halve it since the 90s. We'll see how the ones in the rest of the region evolve over time.
Suicide rates in Lithuania have more than halved since their 1990s peak
Following the collapse of the Soviet Union and the social and economic disruption that it left behind, suicide rates in Lithuania increased rapidly. They climbed in the early 1990s and reached a peak in 1995. At 45 suicide deaths per 100,000 people, the country had one of the highest rates in...
True, just pointing out that by now they are already comparable to WE countries, even if said WE countries are Italy and Spain. Just a decade ago, that wouldn't have been the case.
Fair enough, I also think I've already explained myself pretty well earlier in the post.
I already posted homicide stats of Russia by region and all European countries by region. Eastern Europe and the Balkans was higher than Western Europe. America is a 50% white dysfunctional hellhole and it is still only 2 there putting them lower than Russia, Ukraine, and the Baltics. Western Europe would be at East Asian levels without migrants including Eastern Europeans which are overrepresented in violent crime by 7-10x. The data is there and this is what matters.
I said numerous times throughout this thread that Western Slavs are better than Eastern ones. I still think both are below Western Europeans.
IQ is not a perfect measure of intelligence. I believe Western Europeans are more intelligent than Eastern Europeans beyond what IQ would suggest based on current and historic intellectual accomplishments.
You posted kidnapping data not missing person. It is easier to get away with murder in Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, and Moldova than in The Netherlands. Even if we assume the data is 100% accurate and both regions have the same rates of catching murderers (crazy assumption) the Eastern European rates are still multiple times higher.
Once again I posted a map of homicide rates in Russia by region and even in the majority Slavic regions it was much higher than in Western Europe. Small all white Western European towns have no crime. The same isn't true in Russia or Ukraine or other Easter European nations.
You are agreeing with me that it's easier to get away with crime in Eastern Europe which means the real situation there is even worse than what the already grim data suggests.
Western Europe went through rapid eugenic selection for intelligence and selection against anti-social violent criminals from after the black death to the industrial revolution. Their economies became more complex with the rise guilds and the spread of skilled craftsmen. The death penalty for most crimes also removed criminal genes in the population. Modern Westerners are not genetically the same in IQ and personality to Europeans from 1200. That explains part of the reduction in crime along with increasing technology making it easier to catch criminals.
Yet, white Americans still have a much lower violent crime rate than Russians, baltics, etc, despite being in a culture that is barely 50% white. Middle Easterners are counted as white in America. Officially America is 56% white but when you exclude MENA, Jews, and illegals they are likely below 50% already. It is a lawless, jungle, mutt warzone yet despite this White Americans which includes MENA has a lower homicide rate than Russia, Ukraine and much of Eastern Europe. Serbia has a three times lower rate for firearm ownership than America and what percentage of those are handguns that you can conceal carry like in America? America is filled with people carrying glocks as they walk around.
Nearly all Eastern European countries have a homicide rate above 1 except the Czechs and Poles. All of Western Europe would be below 1 without immigrants including Slav immigrants.
In your British and Danish examples Eastern Europeans were overrepresented in crime stats. In the British case it was Albanians, Kosovans, Lithuanians, Czechs, and Romanians. In the Danish example. It was Yugoslavs, Serbians, Bosnians, Croatians, Russians, Macedonians,Czechs, and "Soviets". You can say that it matters who the immigrants are for any group. Blacks and Arabs could say the same thing. "We are not sending our best. All things being equal a representative population of Eastern Europeans and balkaners would have higher crime rates than Western natives.
Something you must keep in mind and which alters the stats for the natives is that European nations do not collect data on ethnicity. The data for "national background" in these statistics is entirely based on the birth country of the parents. Nearly every single European country counts third generation immigrants as locals. For example an Arab born in Denmark to two Arab parents who are also born in Denmark is Danish under all stats including crime stats. The actual crime rate for the natives is even lower.
"A person has Danish origin if he or she has at least one parent who is both a Danish citizen and born in Denmark. Neither immigrants nor descendants have one parent who is both a Danish citizen and born in Denmark. The difference between immigrants and descendants is that immigrants were born abroad, while descendants were born in Denmark."
"In the modern minorities, Statistics Denmark counts first-generation immigrants, second-generation (Descendants in Danish statistics classification) and third-generation (Children of descendants in Danish classification). Children of descendants can be either of "Danish origin" (if both of their parents were born in Denmark with Danish citizenship) and of "foreign origin" (if one of their parents is a second-generation immigrant and another first-generation). Therefore, this table included all people of the respective background, people who are classified as of "foreign background" and third-generation immigrants, who classified as of "Danish origin"
There is no evidence that they are 10% of the population in those nations you listed. Serbia is not 10% Gypsy. You should expect the bottom fraction of a poor country to do worse relative to their peers than the poor in a rich country. The poor in Serbia live in worse conditions than the poor in Denmark. It's also possible that the Balkans are more genetically diverse than other regions of Europe. In the same way there is large difference in IQ between Northern and Southern Italy. I already explained how much variance there is in IQ within population. The average IQ in Serbia is 90. That means the bottom 10% of Serbians have a median IQ of 71 under a normal 15 SD bell curve. The bottom 2% have an IQ of 60. 10% of Serbia is not gypsy. You would need a large number of gypsies for them to create a large change in the bottom 10% of the population. I cannot find any evidence for one in ten people in Serbia being gypsies.
You posted water treatment information to guess drug use rates. I said that doesn't matter because the HIV rate is being caused by intravenous drug users. Either that or all Slavs are gay.
They are closer to Turkey than they are to Spain or Italy.
The data speaks for itself. None of this data is fake and you can try to nitpick or make excuses but it is what it is. I don't even need to say anything. The data says it all.
Homicide rate by region in Europe from 2012.
Road fatalities from 2016-2019.
Average IQ by nation in Europe in 2012.
Homicide rate by nation in Europe in 2017.
New HIV diagnosis in 2019. Either Slavs are gay or they are shooting up lots of drugs.
Corruption index 2022
Suicide rate
Crime rate by nationality in Germany in 2014. Slavs are overrepresented.
Patent applications per capita from 2008-2012
Nobel laureates per capita as of August 2016.
Just to be clear, I don't have a strong opinion on Slavs one way or the other. They are not at the same levels as North Western Europeans in intelligence and law abidingness but that is true for nearly the entire planet. Once again I believe they have plenty of potential to develop. Western Slavs don't have many of the problems that plague East Slavs.
This is going on for way too long btw. I don't care about slavs this much.
Where have I even implied that I don't know how many browns there are in the West? My point is exactly the opposite, that just as you can't immediately look at whole country statistics and say that they apply to the white majority in Western countries, so too should people at least think twice before doing so for other EE countries.
Baltics, Ukraine and Belarus are solidly white, of course, but you seem to have repeatedly implied that Russia is much whiter than it is, when it's one of the least white countries in Europe. Ethnic Russians are almost certain to be less than 80% of their country, the other East Slavs don't add much to it, and there are basically no other white people living in Russia.
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Fair enough, I guess that was a bit of an unfair hyperbole from me. Still, I posted newer data
I just looked for 2023 data. It doesn't have Eastern Slavs, but apart from Lithuania and Latvia (Turkey doesn't count for obvious reasons), nobody reaches even the level of white Americans (2 per 100,000) you've included later in your post.
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As for Russia, I found some 2020 stuff, I don't know how legit it is though it seems to actually be based on some actual data. It has Moscow at 1.6 per 100,000 homicide rate, and multiple ethnically Russian and Caucasian Muslim regions at less than 3 per 100,000.
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/geography/comments/1od9vul/homicide_rates_in_russia_by_regions_2020/
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Yeah, and I admitted that this is something we can agree on. The part I disagree with is the specific breed of worse. You seem to believe that West Slavs are the same kind of dangerous, badass, dominant alpha gopniks you could expect to see in Russia's poorfag regions, just scaled down. I say that, by and large, we are sad, dorky and harmless losers with inferiority complexes, who would be much more likely to be beaten up abroad than to beat someone up ourselves. Like one of the wildest parts of growing up for me was realizing how much the people I once considered to be cool, scary and badass were the same type of dorks that I was, just non-incel and extroverted ones, but still barely any less likely to get a broken jaw if they went abroad and tried to be too aggressive with MENAs, blacks, or yes, even white Westerners.
IQ isn't perfect, but it's consistently proven itself to be just about the best we have, and I agree. Other factors also matter, that's why, as I've pointed out, IQ's correlation with GDP per capita is about 40%, not 100%.
Yes, I know. EE's GDP per capita seems to have on average been at about 65%(?) of WE's average for centuries.
View: https://x.com/philippmkoch/status/1835937929497039284#m
True, though tbh, only the Balkans are really notably out of step with the rest of Europe. The countries I constantly single out (West Slavs and Slovenes and Croats) are perfectly in line with WE and Russia and Poland are comparable to Norway, Italy and Spain. 1-2 IQ point differences, even at that scale, I can imagine could still be statistical noise just because of how small such differences really are.
I posted both kidnapping and what I could find of missing, as the latter doesn't seem to have a comprehensive comparison table or map anywhere. Per capita, Slovakia and Serbia, whom I chose as representatives for the region in general, though I highly doubt that anything wildly different would show up with others, have per capita annual missing cases basically the same as France, with the exact same trends going on there. Well over 90% of cases are quickly solved, and it's mostly runaways from orphanages/foster families, other young runaways from shit households, and elderly people with dementia and other mental problems.
That in general seems to be the case everywhere in Europe at least.
Yeah, but it's hard to deny that they are falling down substantially quickly, and as I've already said multiple times, I'm comparing those two cities to the rest of Russia to show how big just the effects of more effective policing can be even when the populations are genetically the same as in badly-policed regions.
Yes, that's why since my first post I keep specifying "Western Slavs and richer Balkaners", since it's those countries which the maps both of us have posted here repeatedly show to be as far from the ruthless, badass street-fighting thug stereotype as possible. However, now that I've dug a bit deeper and seen the stats for Russia, for example, and how much the homicide rate there had declined in recent years, I can't not give credit where credit's due, even if I don't like praising Russia too much.
Higher than WE for sure, though lower than the average of the entire country. Just pointing that out, since the wording here could be a bit confusing.
That's a secondary argument I brought up mainly to remind you that there's non-whites with higher crime rates than the white majority in EE as well, and that a good part of the region at least is not the lily-white gated community a lot of people not living here seem to believe it to be.
If you go through my previous posts, my main argument was pointing out that the main societal driver of low crime rates is the speed and effectiveness of response, which as I've mentioned before, is often brought up in debates about the death penalty, to point out the meaninglessness of severe punishment when the way to have prevented the crimes from happening in the first place would've been for it to be absolutely certain that the perpetrator will be caught quickly.
That is something that is much more present in WE countries than in the rest of the continent, and in fact had been present there for a long time, which is why we see the meteoritic downfall of homicide rates there already in the 18th century, with the rest of the continent joining it over time:
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Poverty itself doesn't cause crime, but it does limit what the police forces can afford and how effective they can be.
We even see this between different medieval societies even. Danish and Norwegian Vikings were genetically pretty much the same, but Denmark was a centralized and organized country while Norway was a clannish, decentralized society, and that's why, as researchers recently found, the latter was far more violent than the former.
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Yes, that last part deserves a mention here, Russia is a runner-up to the US in overall inequality, along with Lithuania apparently
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and still actually overtakes it I believe in some modified metrics of it (stuff like first quintile/fifth quintile income ratio and top 1%'s share of income/wealth).
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Yes, and in this map, just as in that comparison from that substack I've posted above, almost all countries apart from the Baltics and East Slavs have lower homicide rates than even the whitest US states. Maine is 90%+ white and has one of the lowest homicide rates in the US with 2.2 per 100,000, which if put here, would still have it on (non-Slavic) Albania's level and just 10-15% lower than (likewise non-Slavic) Hungary, which has the highest level of non-Baltic EU members.
Also, before you've mentioned the amount of guns as one of the reasons for America's homicide rate. Apparently, Serbia has the highest numbers in Europe, yet according to this very map, their homicide rate is half that of America's whitest state. Just thought I'd point that out, I just found this but it definitely needs to be mentioned in here.
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Yes, though if the 0,7 per 100,000 homicide rate is still actual for East Asia, a surprising number of EU countries (including Poland, Romania, Hungary, Croatia, Czechia and Slovenia) are already at that level, or much closer to it than the white Americans' 2 per 100,000.
If you're talking about the "assault-related deaths" one, that was literally the opposite of cherrypicked since it was the only one I could find that included both intentional homicides and manslaughters as the data on the latter is hard to find.
A diaspora's crime rate is strongly dependant on which particular subpopulation of the sender country comprises it. If that subgroup is mostly the specific type inclined to commit crimes and cause trouble (and I'm not talking specifically about Gypsies or young men or whatever here, just overall the problematic people in general who are quite likely to be unemployed and be willing to try going for NEETbux in a foreign country) then that's going to show.
Since you've mentioned Nordics, comparing Denmark's data with UK's migrant crime tables from 2019 and 2024 shows this pretty nicely.
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/q9bl95/incarceration_rate_by_nationality_england_and/
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/1e1g2c7/unlike_many_other_coward_countries_denmark/
In the Danish data, "Yugoslavs", Serbs and Montenegrins are MENA-tier, Bosnians are three times overrepresented compared to Danish baseline, "Czechoslovaks" two times, Poles, Russians, Lithuanians and Latvians are about 10-20% overrepresented and comparable to Icelanders, while Romanians, Bulgarians, Ukrainians, Hungarians and Estonians are underrepresented.
On the other hand, British 2019 data has Poles and Russians both underrepresented and on par with the Chinese, along with Hungarians. That's despite in their home countries, Hungarians having about twice the murder rate of Poles, Russians having three or four times higher than Hungarians, and the Chinese having the lowest of them, or comparable to Poles according to that 2022 and 2023 data I posted and the US crime rates by race compared to world regions you've posted.
For example, the British data has Czechs comparable to Nigerians and noticeably overrepresented compared to Slovaks (we are right above the British themselves) despite Nigeria's latest homicide rate being 20x higher than Czechia's, and the latter consistently having lower crime rates than us. That's clear preselection, only the richest and best-educated Nigerians can make it to the UK and Europe in general (which I guess is also the reason why they are decidedly at the bottom in the German data you've shared), while every poorfag social case in the EU who wanted to try living in the UK for a while could do so for years. Adding to that, I've recently read an article about how we Slovaks have always been and still are much more likely to emigrate than Czechs, so if it takes being much more antisocial on average to leave Czechia than Slovakia, then it's easy to see how their diaspora can be twice as criminal as ours when their country is normally half as much as ours, if not less. That's the kind of thing you need to keep in mind when talking abot this specific subject.
I didn't say that they are 10% of the population of of Eastern Europe, I said that they are about 10% in those countries. My bad, admittedly, a better description would be "up to" 10%.
Their numbers are well-known to be underreported as most of them either don't declare their ethnicity on censuses or pick another one, and what you posted even mentions that (the part I bolded.)
That's why Wikipedia posts ranges of population instead of actual population numbers there.
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Here in Slovakia for example, once you look past officially declared ethnicities and look at what ethnicity people actually are, as recorded by their own organizations, there's about three times as many Roma as officially stated, about 8 or 9% of the population:
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And I'm pretty sure the same is the case in other of those four countries:
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Well, I had just a semester or two of statistics in college, so I'll admit I probably can't claim to be an expert on bell curves, but just looking at the PISA tables there it's easy to see that something weird's going on with those countries as their bottom deciles are extreme outliers and perform much worse than they should given where their averages are. Slovakia's middle decile and all higher deciles are neck-and-neck with their peers from Austria. Serbia's middle decile is on the level of US' and all the higher ones keep pace with them, save for the highest deciles where Americans are much better, but Serbia's tenth decile is still better than Americans's ninth. And yet, their bottom deciles are completely third world and not even comparable to their peers in those countries.
Either it just so happens that the countries with an unknown and undercounted number of a notoriously badly integrated minority have a weird situation where the dumbest students are for some reason much dumber than they should be given any normal statistical distribution and with most of them being of the majority ethnicity, or it's just that those test results are in fact a decent proxy for guessing the numbers of kids from this notoriously badly integrated and impoverished minority.
I explicitly said that they aren't as aggressive as American blacks. Obviously, they also aren't as violent as MENA migrants and others like that, but they are still blatantly more violent and dysfunctional than the white majorities in their countries.
This anime girl poster in Hungary claimed they commit 66% of the crimes there, I think that's obviously bullshit, but there's no way they aren't at least twice or thrice as likely to commit crimes as the white majorities.
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/1azrlsm/hey_oniichan_did_you_know_that_gypsies_make_up/
Possibly, but I would say that them being hated by the Baltic majorities and not getting shit from them is also a very significant factor.
Yes, and I just pointed out that this is another map where West Slavs and richer Balkaners fail to be anywhere near East Slavs at all, along with posting the overdose-related maps and so on to be fully fair to the Russians and others.
True, but also of highly gynocentric ones. I just wanted to highlight that.
Lithuania apparently managed to halve it since the 90s. We'll see how the ones in the rest of the region evolve over time.
Suicide rates in Lithuania have more than halved since their 1990s peak
Following the collapse of the Soviet Union and the social and economic disruption that it left behind, suicide rates in Lithuania increased rapidly. They climbed in the early 1990s and reached a peak in 1995. At 45 suicide deaths per 100,000 people, the country had one of the highest rates in...
True, just pointing out that by now they are already comparable to WE countries, even if said WE countries are Italy and Spain. Just a decade ago, that wouldn't have been the case.
Fair enough, I also think I've already explained myself pretty well earlier in the post.
In your own stats the entire Caucasus has a lower homicide rate than ethnic Russian provinces. Chechneya was 0.6 and Dagestan was 1.3. Russian regions were mainly over 4 with Novgorod being 8.1. Western Europeans would be at 0.5, basically East Asian levels without immigrants including Slavs.
Yes, I'm not denying that.
You're reaching hard right now. Take out blacks and Hispanics and it's one of the safest and best-policed places in the world, and it's really only their inequality levels and gun culture that means that their homicide rates are at that level. Also, let's be real, they are crushing Europe economically right now, and "muh we have healthcare and less crime" is becoming more and more of a desperate Eurocope the more their GDP overtakes ours
.Yes, because they are much better off and much better-policed than those countries, to a level that really can't be compared.
More like 30% to twice as much for the ones who even are overrepresented in the first place, and without adjusting for age, income, and other factors.
View: https://x.com/Scientific_Bird/status/1829597254627598776
New EU countries' second generations in Sweden aren't even 10% more likely to be involved in crimes than other Nordic countries' second gens, Poland's ones in Denmark might not be even 5% more than multiple WE countries' once adjusted just for age and income, and so on.
Yes, that's why I'm pretty sure I posted more data than you did
.Yeah, but you're still trying to say that Western Slavs are secretly those intimidating badass street fighter alpha thugs who ruthlessly fight anyone they wish and who dominate other people in interpersonal interactions that most people imagine Russians to be, and that's what I'm pointing out is bullshit (along with giving credit where credit's due when it comes to Eastern Slavs and Balkaners, who in many areas are better than I've expected.) No amount of posting Russian and Ukrainian stats and saying that they apply to all Slavs changes the fact that we (West Slavs) are loser dorks who are as far away from that archetype as possible. That's why we get bullied in WE, that's why our organized crime is dominated by Balkaners and East Slavs, and that's why our history is what it is and why in general we lose to everyone who lives around us.
Maybe, but so far we can only work with what we have.
Which is why both international organizations and at least the more advanced and better-run countries do crime and victimization studies to capture stuff that police reports don't.
Though admittedly, I don't think Russia has many of those. That's when we look to stuff like the WHO one I posted way back showing minimal differences between Europe's four regions and massively higher African figures than their governments report.
Maybe, but the decline in crime is something we can see right now, worldwide, at massive levels.
Most crime has fallen by 90% in 30 years – so why does the public think it’s increased?
In the last year, the public’s concern about crime has risen again.
theconversation.com
Colombia’s homicide rate has more than halved since the 1990s
Half as many people died from homicides in Colombia in recent years than only a few decades ago.
ourworldindata.org
Homicide rates in Italy have dropped by 80% since 1990
Italy has become much safer over the last thirty years.
ourworldindata.org
Genetics certainly plays a role here, but with variations of this scale which are completely explainable to technological and economic changes, it's a bit hard to guess just how much of that really is genetic.
Already answered previously
.MS-13 members executing each other in Texas border towns or Harlem gangbangers doing drivebys on each other isn't going to have any effect on the crime rate of white people in close-to 100% white neighbourhoods in Vermont or Maine. The crime rates there are almost completely the result of local factors.
Significant when determining whether the US is still majority white or not (for as much as the total numbers matter when it's already minority white among the younger generations), but not so much for thinking of why 90%+ white areas which aren't immigration hubs are the way they are.
In places, certainly.
Honestly, permits don't really mean anything, IRL you can carry whatever you want if you hide it since very few cops are going to start searching people for no reason. Mexico for example has pretty strict gun laws on paper, but they obviously don't mean anything in practice, and I'd guess Serbia is a very watered-down version of that.
Slovenia, Croatia and Montenegro were also below 1, and Slovakia, Serbia and Bulgaria were below 1.2 and so still closer to the EA levels than white American ones, despite the notable Roma populations in those countries which I've mentioned.
Maybe, maybe not. Scotland was one of the whitest places in the world in the 2002-2010 period, for example (96% white according to the 2011 census), and its homicide rate then was higher than Slovakia's anyway.
Scotland's Census at a glance: Ethnic groups
An overview of what the 2011 census told us about ethnicities and ethnic groups in Scotland.
www.scotlandscensus.gov.uk
Yes, I'm aware of that. One of the main points I was making is that at least some EE countries are in the same boat when it comes to their Roma populations.
I'd completely agree with all of that, that's why I'm pretty sure I already posted more data than you and have made a point of replying to just about everything you've posted
-Except the ones who weren't, that was my point. If some were overrepresented and some were underrepresented, despite having similar crime rates in their own countries and their disapora's crime rates being wildly different in yet other countries, it only makes sense to take into account which types of people even comprise those diasporas for all of that to be so different, doesn't it?
And I posted other ones, which have Moscow well in the norm for a European city, as well as Eurostat data with EE capitals and bigger cities likewise quite low in general.
Neither have you since international comparisons of that don't exist. Unlike you, I have actually tried digging into this, and from what I've found, Slovakia and Serbia are on France's level when it comes to missing people per capita, while the UK has much more than any of them.
Just checked Poland, it seems to have about 10% more missing people annually per capita than those three:
And of course, the vast majority of those are quickly found, and even of those who aren't, most are kids who run away from orphanages or old people who got lost. All of which is the case in all of the countries I've brought up, and all of which you've completely sidestepped and autistically focused on the kidnapping data, which is the only one of those which we have international rankings for comparison, and which likewise support what I'm saying.
Why would that be a crazy assumption?
The V4 countries and Slovenia have 90%+ clearance rates for murder which are perfectly comparable to other EU countries, and Russia's homicide clearance rate is comparable to the Dutch (the country you've specifically mentioned) average for the 2009-2014 period, which fits pretty well, as I think there's definitely at least a ten year gap between the capabilities of their police forces, if not higher.
WE rural regions are still overwhelmingly white, right? I remember Whatifalthist mentioning that if you nuked Western cities, USA's racial demographics would go back to 1950s levels and Europe's to the 18th century
.According to the people there themselves, they do OK, but nothing shocking.
I literally posted that evidence in the previous post. In Slovakia the undercounting ratio is about 3:1 due to them declaring other nationalities on the official census, which is literally spelled out in the SME article I linked with Roma representatives explaining it, with their actual population here hitting up to 9%. The same is true in those other countries, all of which have the same undercounting problem, which you would know if you literally just googled it, and which even Wikipedia acknowledges, which is why, apart from Serbia, those countries have ranges instead of concrete figures, and why I guess you focused on Serbia in your post right after that.
Their own Roma NGOs, which according to this article I found by translating what I was googling into Serbian and searching for that, have recently complained that the 2022 census had grossly underestimated their numbers and that they couldn't reach their "discriminated" communities would disagree with you.
Попис 2022: Озбиљни пропусти у пописивању Рома, тврде активисти - из РЗС кажу да није било притужби - BBC News на српском
Активисти покрета Опре Рома Србија кажу да су током пописа „направљени озбиљни пропусти" и најавили су бојкот резултата уколико се не покаже реалан број Рома
www.bbc.com
In your post, you've spent multiple paragraphs pointing out that just because Danish government statistics call someone Danish doesn't mean much, since they don't register third-generation immigrants as immigrants, and that likely notably skews their crime statistics. That I agree with, yet you are doing exactly the same thing here, taking government censuses which the governments themselves admit are flawed and are entirely built on ethnicities people self-report.
Note which people aren't letting the issue be and make a point of pointing out that the Roma population numbers are multiple times what the official self-report data says. Their own NGOs, like the ones in Slovakia and Serbia whose claims I already quoted, and the local white nationalist groups, like the Hungarians behind the anime posters claiming that they commit 66% of crime despite being 9% of Hungary's population. Literally the two groups that actually have a reason to care about ethnicity in the genetic sense instead of the self-reported one agree on this. Despite the fact that they hate each other and would disagree on everything else, this is the one thing they agree on, just because they have a reason to care about what people actually are, instead of what they claim to be.
I also found this, showing why exactly they might legitimately be doing that badly on those tests, and more confirming that they are undercounted.
Massively more likely to be homeless and to have shit homes without plumbing when not, all the while being overrepresented among those under 15 and still having large illiteracy and shit-tier education outcomes.
Yes, that's literally the entire point of why those PISA results were displayed like that on that graph, to see how income affects things like this. That's why I specifically pointed out that Serbia's bottom income decile of students underperformed in an atypically large way, as you can see that no one else's bottom decile was as low as their, not even that of the bottom countries like Paraguay, the Dominican Republic and Cambodia, and that this atypically large underperformance seems to be a pattern with EE countries which are believed to have up to 10% Gypsy population, since none of their income and ethnic peers have poor students doing as badly (compare Serbia with Montenegro in that graph, for example).
Apparently yes as a region, but in terms of single country diversity among the native population, Finland should have Balkan countries beat.
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/biology/comments/1mt5x7f/comment/n9kclza/
Maybe, but if there's such a regional difference in there then I don't think anyone has ever noticed it. On the other hand, what had been endlessly noticed is that the Romani in there and other neighbouring countries are significantly worse off and less integrated into society than the white majority around them.
Already mentioned all of that above
.Yes, because it's by far the best approach I've seen yet. There's no ambiguity, every uses toilets and the various drugs leave identifiable chemical traces (heroin wasn't included since it apparently doesn't, the stuff it leaves behind is apparently quite unstable).
It was, but heterosexual sex apparently overtook it already.
HIV in the Russian Federation: mortality, prevalence, risk factors, and current understanding of sexual transmission - PMC
Although HIV infection in the Russian Federation was historically concentrated among marginalized populations (people who inject drugs, sex workers, MSM, and the prison population), recent evidence suggests that it has become a more generalized ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Nah, it's from straight sex, as I pointed out above.
Also, showing again that you are trying to sell Eastern Slavic figures as one applying to all Slavs in general. I know the idea of there being roving gangs of Polish or Slovenian thugs walking the streets of WE cities intimidating everyone must be nice, but nothing like that exists, since Western Slavs (of which Slovenes are an honorary member tbh) would never be able to be like that and pull it off.
Yes, though that has me wondering how much of a factor healthcare quality is here, since there's a bit of a disconnect between the amount of fatalities and accidents themselves.
I thought we were talking about crime? No problem, I never even disputed that innovation here is rather shit. Though, now that you've brought this up and since I've been sitting on those maps ever since I read the report they were from some time ago, what do you think of the argument that the overall amount of patents is a weak indicator since it can be inflated by dozens of small adjustments to a single thing, and that a much better indicator is looking at the stuff that actually hits the market and mass-use, and the numbers concerning that? I myself can't say I fully agree with that, it's an argument that only cropped up recently and which is almost solely used by Americans to downplay China's rise, since turning patents into products is an area where China seriously lacks compared to the West, but still, since I've wanted to post this...
This actually looks much closer to what I'd expect even completely discounting the EE numbers, since Spain is wildly below the rest of WE in total patent numbers, this seems much closer to what I'd expect of them.
I remember also checking out the source data on Eurostat's website and the only real outlier was Romania. Everyone else I'm pretty sure had numbers in the double percentage digits, while Romanians had only 3% or so of SMEs innovating in any way, brutal blackpill for Romaniacels I guess.
Also, and this I guess would also tie pretty well with you posting the Nobel prize winner amounts here:
The Balkans and EU's EE members of course lag WE when it comes to quality of scientific research, here proxied, traditionally, by the percentage of a country's scientific papers which are in the global 10 and 1% of most cited papers:
Quantity and quality of scientific production worldwide and in the EU, 2000-2022
Finally, I found what I've been looking for:feelsstudy:. I've already posted Scopus Database's rankings of various countries' scientific output here a few times, but the version available to the public only really lets you see the quantity of the papers, and not to look deeper at their quality...
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But it should be pointed out that they are roughly Japan level
, and have generally been getting better over time.Yeah, I explicitly pointed that out and so did the guy whose post I screenshotted when I first mentioned that. It's the indigenuous Siberians and Central Asians who are overrepresented in this, not their Caucasus Muslim minorites (at least in their own regions, it could still be skewed depending on how many young men from those places leave for work in big cities elsewhere).
Eh, I'd say it tended to be around 3.5, with the more densely populated ones having lower rates.
That doesn't mean much by itself, but should still be pointed out.
They haven't had any immigrants for centuries and still only approached modern levels once their countries centralized, stabilized, and technology got better. If you look at the historical graph I posted above, Rome was safely above 10 homicides per 100,000 (an absolutely unheard of number anywhere in Europe except the worst parts of Russia) until 1900, Corsica for decades after that, and now Italy has solidly one of the lowest homicide rates in the world. That's the kind of change that's going on everywhere in the developed world, at least.
Agreed, this'll probably be my last post here because of that, unless you post something that catches my attention.
based, the word “slave” literally comes from slav, they’re so far up their own asses and slavic foids have to be the absolute worst under sheboons
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