Serious semantics: we should call it "hypervoluntary celibacy" vs "hypovoluntary celibacy" not voluntary/involuntary

[Sheogorath]

I think this recognizes that nuances exist and battles the false dichotomy introduced by the phrase voluntary or involuntary.

Our choice is a spectrum. Those who ID are involuntary are actually just hypovoluntary, while those who ID as voluntary are actually just hypervoluntary.

You're never truly perfectly 100% voluntary about anything because your environment and means will always shape your decisionmaking.

Similarly you're never truly perfectly 0% voluntary about anything just because you have many factors out of your control limiting you: you still weigh your odds at 0.000001% and just deign it a waste of time and opt out of reckless shit that some others might do.

 

[foosballcel]

 

[kanyepilled]

yea im semi-hypomentalvoluntarycelibable with schizoid tendencies wby bro?

 

[ergophobic]

sure

 

[Sheogorath]

im semi-hypomentalvoluntarycelibable

I guess if you were semi-hypoglycemic it would mean you only have low blood sugar half the time.

All celibacy is basically mentalceldom at it's root, it's just that mentalceldom is influenced by your and others' physical characteristics and how they impact others' choices as well as your own.

 

[Sheogorath]

So either way everyones situation is immediately hypovoluntary.

if you're actively fucking a girl you're not celibate at all

if your dick is just outside a girl's pussy and she's trying to pull your dick into her and you're resisting then you're celibate in that moment but it's hyper-voluntary (you're resisting sex) not hypo-voluntary (you want it)

 

[kanyepilled]

I guess if you were semi-hypoglycemic it would mean you only have low blood sugar half the time.

All celibacy is basically mentalceldom at it's root, it's just that mentalceldom is influenced by your and others' physical characteristics and how they impact others' choices as well as your own.

i got big fat dick full time

 

[Sheogorath]

Normally nobody would resist sex

Depends on what you mean by 'normally' TBH.
If a girl spread her pussy for me while her BF was in room aiming gun at me saying "I'll shoot you in the head as soon as you cum" then I'd probably try to resist but that's not a normal situation.

you said that if someone is hypo-voluntary it means that his situation is involuntary.

It means "less voluntary". There's still some level of voluntariness involved.

For example if a guy held me at gunpoint saying he'd shoot me if I didn't have unprotected sex with his ugly HIV+ girlfriend and subject myself to risk of AIDS, if I chose to fuck her it would still be a choice (volunteering) but since I was under coercsion of violent thread (I get shot to death if I refuse) it's "less voluntary" consent.

No ones situation is voluntary as they had non control over their genetic-makeup and thus no influence over their sexual presence. Chad's didn't choose to be Chad's and Incels are involuntary by nature.

Situations aren't just DNA though, Chad for example could choose to eat 0% protein in his diet and 100% sugar and his DNA won't save his body from falling apart.

Similarly an "incel" with shitty DNA could still give up and refuse to try and ogremax in the gym by adopting shit diet and robbing himself of the chance for a 1/10 girl to settle for fucking him whenever Chad ghosts her.

The same goes for normies, everyone's appearance is beyond their control. It's what you called hypo-voluntary as in involuntary.

I'd say >50% of appearance is beyond control (DNA) but there are factors (minority ones) within control like diet / exercise / clothing / bathing.

These factors shouldn't be given prominence. Bluepilled society acts like our choices are 90% of our appearance when actually it's more like 10%.

Still it's neither 0%/100% or 100%/0% which is why I'm thinking hypo/hyper makes sense.

If Chad looks like shit, that's hypervoluntary celibacy because it's very easy for him to look (at least) average.

If Melvin looks like shit, that's hypovoluntary celibacy because it's very hard for him to look (at best) average.

 

[Linesnap99]

What a cope man. but good job on finding a new term.

 

[Sheogorath]

What a cope man. but good job on finding a new term.

I don't follow how my semantic autism is a cope

This alone shows me that you are not as blackpilled as a wizard should be and that this entire thread was a coping mechanism developed to decieve yourself into accepting that a Chad's appearance is sometging he has complete control over.

No, this shows you lack reading comprehension. "Complete control" is 100% control.

Obviously if Chad decides to smear his face in feces or something he can repel a foid, it's just very hard to do.

In the first post you said hypo-voluntary meant involuntary

No, I said hypovoluntary is a better word to describe the state which some (inaccurately) refer to as involuntary, on the basis of ignoring the preferences we have that limit our options.

Like for example if you are dying of thirst in a desert because you won't drink your own piss, you're not technically "involuntarily dehydrated", you just are opting not to take a disgusting option.

as in their appearance and entire situation is indeterminable by them. Later you went on to clarify that you had implied that it meant "less voluntary."

I thought this was clear from the outset when I said "those who ID as"

That would mean that everyones situation is still majorly hypo-voluntary, it is deterministic in nature.

In terms of weighting voluntariness I mean in comparison to the average (subjective) not compared to overall determinism (objective) because I have no clue how to break that own.

An unhealthy Chad whether he had influence over his health is still getting laid.

If it's reasonable unhealthiness sure. If it's he's had all his limbs amputated and all his skin burned off with no old photos to prove he was born handsome then I don't think a foid is going to jump on his dick. I'm thinking of the most extreme situations here, keep in mind.

This terms existence is the coping response to a magical manifestation of deep-psychological stress

Which term's existence? Having trouble following what you're referring back to.

you still haven't accept that it is truly over and one has no control over their situation

This really boils down to what you mean by 'celibacy' or 'over'.

I have enough savings that if I felt it was important enough I would withdraw everything and have one session with an escort to lose my virginity.

I view that as an end to celibacy in terms of a narrower view of celibate (not having sex) but obviously escortcels wouldn't view that as ending my celibacy in the broader sense (being in a relationship with a girl who wants you)

Began / Over are themselves generalizations which don't necessarily have clear boundaries.

Like for example: how good does a relationship actually have to be where you think the foid wants you for you and not to exploit you in a betabux/escort situation?

How to assess stuff like that is not always clear (people can disagree) and one could also quibble about how much material exchange is allowable without going over the line.