[Serious] Secular humanism is one of the main reasons why this society hates incels

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I will continue with the analysis of the modern West and why it is so hateful towards the incels.

The secular humanist mentality that is prevalent in the West is that humans are masters of their own destiny and if you do something wrong, you need to find a solution and fix it. This is the mentality of the modern Western society and it is from this position that incels are judged in the sense that you need to stop complaining and find solutions, usually followed by either a some generic useless advice (just do this, just do that) or straight ridicule.

Once you examine secular humanism a bit more, you realize that it comes from arrogance. In reality, human beings are not in control of everything and never will be.

To illustrate the difference between the Western secular humanist mentality and non-Western non-secularist religious mentality: I remember an interview with some European jihadi fighter who said that American soldiers get PTSD from wars while the true religious Muslim soldiers don't suffer from it because from a religious viewpoint, if you tried to do something with good intentions then you shouldn't feel guilty about yourself even if you came up short. On the other hand, the Western man, under the influence of the secular humanist mentality, will start blaming himself for his mistakes and his position in life. A Western secularistic atheist soldier who came out of cruel war will inevitably start blaming himself that he went through bloodshed and traumatic events, while a religious soldiers like medieval crusaders would see it as God's divine providence (a doctrine which asserts that God is in complete control of all things) and God's will. This is also the reason while medieval Christian soldiers were so much mentally tougher than the modern Western soldiers, the Christian warriors of the past went through gruesome medieval battles yet remained sane and found strength in religion, but these modern NATO soldiers seem broken. On the other hand, when you look at the religious jihadis today, like the Taliban for example, they have amazing will power and faith in what they're doing.

Now, I don't want to turn this into an argument about religion as such. You might say that religion is a cope, but you even from this perspective you can probably see it as a good cope for those who believe in it.

Either way, the more important thing is to understand how this reflects on social level, because this is what is the most relevant for us.

For the Western secularist society and in the eyes of secular humanism, you (as individuals) are the root of your own problems. The West doesn't believe in things like God's providence and at the same time it believes that the modern West is a wonderful progressive society. So in their eyes, who could be blamed for your problems but you yourselves as individuals?

Western secularism is a very peculiar ideology because while it technically stands only for separation of state and religion, it does this from the position that the state is superior to religion, thus making the State the new religion. You can observe this easily, whenever people point out that state and religion should be separated, the latter is seen as negative, while the state is never questioned. They basically mean that the state should be protected from religion and not the other way around (Western secularists, for example, don't have a problem when state institutions start meddling into "backward" religions and punish religious people for "hate speech" and things like that - where is the separation here?).

Western secularism worships the state, its institutions, its ideological norms (muh freedom, muh equality), its laws. It also worships progress and science and this material world the West created. Secular humanism is basically the key mindset behind it, as it believes that through these instruments, an ideal rationalistic society will eventually be implemented, or at least, we will get as close to is as possible. They believe that we're on our way there.

So whenever you, as a man, complain in the West that something is wrong not because of you and your individual failures but because of some factors out of your control - yet alone if you directly blame the state and society for it, like many incels do - the Western society doesn't want to hear it. The position of Western secularist ideology is: "We (as in, our state with its institutions) gave you this wonderful progressive society with freedom and equality, if you can't make it, then YOU are the problem because YOU didn't work hard enough for it." That's why this society is so aggressive towards incels because the incels question the fundamentals of this secularist state-worship and institution-worship.

The only people who can complain in the West are groups that do it in the context of the ruling ideology of "freedom" and "progress" like the feminist women, LGBT, "minorities" etc. because they argue that their problems will eventually be solved as we become more "progressive". They don't blame the modern society as such, but rather say that this society isn't modern enough. So they fit in the narrative and strengthen the secularist state.

But when incels blame the society for the problems, this is where the secularist West doesn't want to hear it. The West doesn't want to give legitimacy to a group of men that blame things that are out of their control for their problems because then it would give up on its own legitimacy. So this is why, at first, the Western society tried to respond to incel problem by trying to help (this is how the inceldom first started to be discussed in the 90s) and when they saw that they couldn't do anything to solve it, they started ridiculing it and mocking it and at the same time trying to repress it (we're in this stage now in the 2010s).

A response of a non-Western, non-secularist traditional religious society to the incel situation would be very different. In a traditional religious society, people in incel position (those who can't find wives) would be seen as the less fortunate. They wouldn't be blamed for their problems, or at least no exclusively. For example Catholic Church always gave advice to people who couldn't marry (who were basically 'incels') to accept celibacy as a blessing (basically they should become 'volcels'). Again, I'm aware that many of you wouldn't like such advice either, but the key difference is that in a religious society, you wouldn't be personally blamed for your inceldom and you wouldn't be ridiculed or attacked for it. It would be seen as God's divine providence and something outside of your control. IMO this would be a much better position than being seen as an evil outcast.

I think the main reason why many of us are so resentful of this modern society is because of this BS secular-humanist-like advice of "find solutions and fix it" and "it is your own fault" type of mentality which inevitable leads to mockery and attack on basic human dignity ("no woman likes incels because they're evil/losers/lazy/have bad personality"). In reality, love and relationships in this modern dating world are a perfect example of something that is not in your own control. You can't force people to like you, it's as simple like that. If there is one thing you can't possibly have any control over, it's this. It's basically in God's hands - if you're religious. And if you're not religious then you can explain it by losing the genetic lottery. It all comes down to similar things, basically - it was something out of your control.

Like I said, whether you're religious or atheistic is not really relevant here. The modern West is not atheist but rather "pagan" because it worships this idols like the secularist state and its ideology. So even if you're an atheist, you should have a problem with this. The Westerners are really fanatical in their modern 'paganism', and that's why they don't want to accept that a group of men (the incels) has it so bad in their wonderful modern society that they worship like some pagan idol-worshipers.
 
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Extremely high IQ. Even if you're an atheist, you can't deny that a society that follows traditional religious values is better than the modern secularist society for incels.
 

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Extremely high IQ. Even if you're an atheist, you can't deny that a society that follows traditional religious values is better than the modern secularist society for incels.
Modern secularist society is basically a form of paganism that worships the state, its institutions and its ideology. There are so many quasi-religious rituals in this modern liberal society. Like take for example this March 8th women's day recently. It's like some pagan festivity, you need to do some specific rituals on that day, condemn "sexism", etc.

The modern Western secularism even started as a cult so this is no surprise:


Western liberalism is a pagan religion, feminism is part of that religion.
 

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Modern secularist society is basically a form of paganism that worships the state, its institutions and its ideology. There are so many quasi-religious rituals in this modern liberal society. Like take for example this March 8th women's day recently. It's like some pagan festivity, you need to do some specific rituals on that day, condemn "sexism", etc.

The modern Western secularism even started as a cult so this is no surprise:


Western liberalism is a pagan religion, feminism is part of that religion.
In my still short college experience I've noticed how much the cultural marxist rituals there look exactly like a cult. The people take the floor to talk about cultural marxist stuff and the ones who comply with and uphold it the most during their talks get congratulated and positively reinforced in various ways by the others.

It's very similar to the testimonies that happen in the Mormon Church (I was a Mormon for a couple of Months - never believed in its tenets, but I wanted to marry a cute white American missionary).
 

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Great post, I agree with you for the most part.
For the Western secularist society and in the eyes of secular humanism, you (as individuals) are the root of your own problems. The West doesn't believe in things like God's providence and at the same time it believes that the modern West is a wonderful progressive society. So in their eyes, who could be blamed for your problems but you yourselves as individuals?
You're definitely correct in saying that the reason normies hate us stems from their illusion of control. As for God's Providence, well there are many different arguments against it, many of which aren't atheistic, but that's probably besides the point of this thread.
Western secularism worships the state, its institutions, its ideological norms (muh freedom, muh equality), its laws. It also worships progress and science and this material world the West created. Secular humanism is basically the key mindset behind it, as it believes that through these instruments, an ideal rationalistic society will eventually be implemented, or at least, we will get as close to is as possible. They believe that we're on our way there.
High IQ observations, many people quite literally worship science, progress, and women.

The most annoying to me are the advocates for the idea of human space colonization. It's very peculiar to me how these types can be so enthusiastic about something that they'll never live to see, that won't benefit them, and which is ultimately pointless. I think it's pretty clear that they incorrectly see the propagation of humans, and possibly life itself as some sort of extension of their own being. That through the survival of the species, they'll share some measure of immortality as well. They aren't so different from those whom they'll regularly criticize, the only difference being that these so called "rational atheists" are simply in denial about their form of religion.
 

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Thank you for putting forth the effort into creating these great threads. This deserves to be pinned.
 

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Secular Liberal Egalitarianism is the end game of Western thought.

I hate that some people think we can all "make it" and become millionaires and such if we work hard enough. It's fundamentally impossible since poor people need to exist to produce goods/services for the rich. If everyone starts working harder society will simply be more competitive like it is in East Asia. There, students are trying to get the top exam scores to get the limited number of positions available.

Also, you don't necessarily get rewarded for your hard work. One mathematician who proved an important number theory theorem, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitang_Zhang, worked at Subway making sandwiches lmao.
 

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Secular Liberal Egalitarianism is the end game of Western thought.

I hate that some people think we can all "make it" and become millionaires and such if we work hard enough. It's fundamentally impossible since poor people need to exist to produce goods/services for the rich. If everyone starts working harder society will simply be more competitive like it is in East Asia. There, students are trying to get the top exam scores to get the limited number of positions available.

Also, you don't necessarily get rewarded for your hard work. One mathematician who proved an important number theory theorem, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitang_Zhang, worked at Subway making sandwiches lmao.
west affects rest of the world. Becasue the west has such great influecnec its over for all the ethnic nations as well. India,china,pakistan,kore,ajpan also turning feminisht or already have cause of westerners
 
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I will continue with the analysis of the modern West and why it is so hateful towards the incels.

The secular humanist mentality that is prevalent in the West is that humans are masters of their own destiny and if you do something wrong, you need to find a solution and fix it. This is the mentality of the modern Western society and it is from this position that incels are judged in the sense that you need to stop complaining and find solutions, usually followed by either a some generic useless advice (just do this, just do that) or straight ridicule.

Once you examine secular humanism a bit more, you realize that it comes from arrogance. In reality, human beings are not in control of everything and never will be.

To illustrate the difference between the Western secular humanist mentality and non-Western non-secularist religious mentality: I remember an interview with some European jihadi fighter who said that American soldiers get PTSD from wars while the true religious Muslim soldiers don't suffer from it because from a religious viewpoint, if you tried to do something with good intentions then you shouldn't feel guilty about yourself even if you came up short. On the other hand, the Western man, under the influence of the secular humanist mentality, will start blaming himself for his mistakes and his position in life. A Western secularistic atheist soldier who came out of cruel war will inevitably start blaming himself that he went through bloodshed and traumatic events, while a religious soldiers like medieval crusaders would see it as God's divine providence (a doctrine which asserts that God is in complete control of all things) and God's will. This is also the reason while medieval Christian soldiers were so much mentally tougher than the modern Western soldiers, the Christian warriors of the past went through gruesome medieval battles yet remained sane and found strength in religion, but these modern NATO soldiers seem broken. On the other hand, when you look at the religious jihadis today, like the Taliban for example, they have amazing will power and faith in what they're doing.

Now, I don't want to turn this into an argument about religion as such. You might say that religion is a cope, but you even from this perspective you can probably see it as a good cope for those who believe in it.

Either way, the more important thing is to understand how this reflects on social level, because this is what is the most relevant for us.

For the Western secularist society and in the eyes of secular humanism, you (as individuals) are the root of your own problems. The West doesn't believe in things like God's providence and at the same time it believes that the modern West is a wonderful progressive society. So in their eyes, who could be blamed for your problems but you yourselves as individuals?

Western secularism is a very peculiar ideology because while it technically stands only for separation of state and religion, it does this from the position that the state is superior to religion, thus making the State the new religion. You can observe this easily, whenever people point out that state and religion should be separated, the latter is seen as negative, while the state is never questioned. They basically mean that the state should be protected from religion and not the other way around (Western secularists, for example, don't have a problem when state institutions start meddling into "backward" religions and punish religious people for "hate speech" and things like that - where is the separation here?).

Western secularism worships the state, its institutions, its ideological norms (muh freedom, muh equality), its laws. It also worships progress and science and this material world the West created. Secular humanism is basically the key mindset behind it, as it believes that through these instruments, an ideal rationalistic society will eventually be implemented, or at least, we will get as close to is as possible. They believe that we're on our way there.

So whenever you, as a man, complain in the West that something is wrong not because of you and your individual failures but because of some factors out of your control - yet alone if you directly blame the state and society for it, like many incels do - the Western society doesn't want to hear it. The position of Western secularist ideology is: "We (as in, our state with its institutions) gave you this wonderful progressive society with freedom and equality, if you can't make it, then YOU are the problem because YOU didn't work hard enough for it." That's why this society is so aggressive towards incels because the incels question the fundamentals of this secularist state-worship and institution-worship.

The only people who can complain in the West are groups that do it in the context of the ruling ideology of "freedom" and "progress" like the feminist women, LGBT, "minorities" etc. because they argue that their problems will eventually be solved as we become more "progressive". They don't blame the modern society as such, but rather say that this society isn't modern enough. So they fit in the narrative and strengthen the secularist state.

But when incels blame the society for the problems, this is where the secularist West doesn't want to hear it. The West doesn't want to give legitimacy to a group of men that blame things that are out of their control for their problems because then it would give up on its own legitimacy. So this is why, at first, the Western society tried to respond to incel problem by trying to help (this is how the inceldom first started to be discussed in the 90s) and when they saw that they couldn't do anything to solve it, they started ridiculing it and mocking it and at the same time trying to repress it (we're in this stage now in the 2010s).

A response of a non-Western, non-secularist traditional religious society to the incel situation would be very different. In a traditional religious society, people in incel position (those who can't find wives) would be seen as the less fortunate. They wouldn't be blamed for their problems, or at least no exclusively. For example Catholic Church always gave advice to people who couldn't marry (who were basically 'incels') to accept celibacy as a blessing (basically they should become 'volcels'). Again, I'm aware that many of you wouldn't like such advice either, but the key difference is that in a religious society, you wouldn't be personally blamed for your inceldom and you wouldn't be ridiculed or attacked for it. It would be seen as God's divine providence and something outside of your control. IMO this would be a much better position than being seen as an evil outcast.

I think the main reason why many of us are so resentful of this modern society is because of this BS secular-humanist-like advice of "find solutions and fix it" and "it is your own fault" type of mentality which inevitable leads to mockery and attack on basic human dignity ("no woman likes incels because they're evil/losers/lazy/have bad personality"). In reality, love and relationships in this modern dating world are a perfect example of something that is not in your own control. You can't force people to like you, it's as simple like that. If there is one thing you can't possibly have any control over, it's this. It's basically in God's hands - if you're religious. And if you're not religious then you can explain it by losing the genetic lottery. It all comes down to similar things, basically - it was something out of your control.

Like I said, whether you're religious or atheistic is not really relevant here. The modern West is not atheist but rather "pagan" because it worships this idols like the secularist state and its ideology. So even if you're an atheist, you should have a problem with this. The Westerners are really fanatical in their modern 'paganism', and that's why they don't want to accept that a group of men (the incels) has it so bad in their wonderful modern society that they worship like some pagan idol-worshipers.
Tesla IQ.
Atheists are either idiots or shallow persons
Secularism, liberalism and progressivism are all cancer that will shortly be done away with.
 

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giga iq, modern society don't want take reponsability for shit

modern state is worshipped as some type of hive mind god
 

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High IQ post, and a great read (as much as I could understand). One question. Can you elaborate on this: "So this is why, at first, the Western society tried to respond to incel problem by trying to help (this is how the inceldom first started to be discussed in the 90s)..." What did the west try to do in the 90s to help incels? I didn't think it was even known about back then.
 

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High IQ post, and a great read (as much as I could understand). One question. Can you elaborate on this: "So this is why, at first, the Western society tried to respond to incel problem by trying to help (this is how the inceldom first started to be discussed in the 90s)..." What did the west try to do in the 90s to help incels? I didn't think it was even known about back then.
I was referring to that whole thing about Alana's Involuntary Celibacy Project and how the word didn't have negative conotations back then. I think that in general back then, men (and women) who weren't having sex (couldn't find partners) were seen as people who should be helped by the society. It was talked about here and there, just not under the name incel, and it was seen as something that should be solved somehow. I think they were trying to do some support groups and similar things. Going against such men agressively is a very new thing. I think it's because the ruling regime simply realized that there is nothing that they can do and that it will just keep getting bigger so they want to shame men who identify as such and hope that incels won't become too loud. They now basically want to scare people to not identify as incels.

I remember when I was growing up in the 00s, people were bombarding me with how sex is important for healthy life and how men who don't have sex should seek help and so on. I remember some scientists and psychologists claiming how unhealthy priestly celibacy is. Back then, not so many young men would openly speak up about not being able to get sex so it was very marginalized. Fast forward to 2010s and now it seems like a lot of people switched the record, now you hear more people saying that sex isn't so important and that incels should focus on something else and that incels have no right to demand sex, that it isn't a basic need etc.

I think that the attitude really change in the last 20, 30 years. That was my main point. In both cases though, the society wasn't blamed, it was always presented as a personal problem of individual males and it's still presented as such.
 

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I disagree with your theory of "people used to be nice to incels in 90s, then found it didnt help so now they turn against incels".

I think much of the hate towards incels is due to the rise of social media and how it led to organized suppression/promotion of ideas.

Back then, before the age of internet, people still looked down on cels, but that distain was not organized. People might talk a bit about that "loser" or "weirdo" but its limited to social circles. Extreme ideology like feminism was spreading, but extreme feminists as individuals didnt have much of a voice. The dissemination of information was controlled by editors/publishers in TV stations, radio station, newspapers. Extremism was limited because those in charge of media organizations didnt want to allenate majority of people, so they dont publish too extreme opinions.

Nowadays, an extreme individual has a voice. An extreme opnion, can, in theory, be published to the whole world in blink of a second (hitting a button on your computer or phone). This is unprecetended in human history.

Internet/social media is like the invention of the printing press. It gonna change the humans forever.

extreme femnism rose due to internet/social media. and prosecution against incels has become much more organized. in the internet, if you say an unpoluar opnion, you gonna attract those who have a counter opnion on it. those who dont care dotn see you or dont care to reply. this is unlike real life.
 

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I disagree with your theory of "people used to be nice to incels in 90s, then found it didnt help so now they turn against incels".

I think much of the hate towards incels is due to the rise of social media and how it led to organized suppression/promotion of ideas.

Back then, before the age of internet, people still looked down on cels, but that distain was not organized. People might talk a bit about that "loser" or "weirdo" but its limited to social circles. Extreme ideology like feminism was spreading, but extreme feminists as individuals didnt have much of a voice. The dissemination of information was controlled by editors/publishers in TV stations, radio station, newspapers. Extremism was limited because those in charge of media organizations didnt want to allenate majority of people, so they dont publish too extreme opinions.

Nowadays, an extreme individual has a voice. An extreme opnion, can, in theory, be published to the whole world in blink of a second (hitting a button on your computer or phone). This is unprecetended in human history.

Internet/social media is like the invention of the printing press. It gonna change the humans forever.

extreme femnism rose due to internet/social media. and prosecution against incels has become much more organized. in the internet, if you say an unpoluar opnion, you gonna attract those who have a counter opnion on it. those who dont care dotn see you or dont care to reply. this is unlike real life.
Every kind of extremism has widespread thanks to the internet, and most of all, is easily accessible. But also after the collapse of the former Soviet Union, were extremists groups suddenly appeared, in these countries, never known to the public before.
Before the internet/social media, it was often underground, and the most extremists are also now, think about the dark web. Also, technology has advanced, and these "extremists" groups are more easily monitored by authorities nowadays. Just to speak about another topic, murder rate has also quite declined, generally in the West, thanks to it.

Remembering the late 1990's and 2000's, Inceldom was talked little in the press. As you said, a guys in his 20's and still a virgin was considered "weirdo". Thus, it didn't mean it didn't exist or was less painful. The real change came with the appearance and democratization of the smartphone and Tinder, and the likes apps, which caused Inceldom to skyrocket.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5696417/Virgin-numbers-rise-UK-fear-intimacy.html (and this was last year).
 

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OP, very well thought out
Very well written.

We need more high IQ posters like you
 

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Thinking from what I wrote above, Incels are hated by society, mostly due because it went against their theory of "progress", I mean technological progress, which was meant to reduce human suffering and improve the well-being of everyone, according to their propaganda, but did the opposite. We are just too lousy and increasing in numbers for their lies. Still, they don't have any clue nor solution to tackle this problem. Hence, they hate us.

I want also to remind you, OP, that many secular country such as France didn't had such problems till quite recently. On the contrary, I remember well that in Poland a few years ago, a Catholic and conservative country (at least it used to be), there were 1 in 5 "long term celibates" and it had one of the highest difference in male/female suicide ratio in the world, moreover, it had one of the biggest suicide rate on the planet.
 

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Agreed. I’m an atheist but I agree religion served a good purpose.

Modern Western society is a religion that worships women and the state.
 

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Western society is past its peak. They replaced christianity with another religion-'secular humanism'. Some of them replaced afterlife with another cope-transhumanism/technological utopianism. Thanks to hyper individualistic thought process a man is thought to be the controller of his destiny. How stupid, even the decisions we make, the thoughts we have are result of deterministic chemical reactions in our brains beyond our control. A man doesn't possess free will-he simply fools himself he does.
The problem with western society is that they have replaced God but haven't replaced the christian mindset. The mindset that thinks there is something inherently good or bad about things when there is none. That God have given us freedom to chose between them. Only God is replaced with the self and the state. Thats why the Buddhist and Confucian schools of thought are superior. They are truly materialist philosophies. They are not even considered religions but ways of living(Buddhism being for the individual and Confucianism for the society).
 

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I want also to remind you, OP, that many secular country such as France didn't had such problems till quite recently. On the contrary, I remember well that in Poland a few years ago, a Catholic and conservative country (at least it used to be), there were 1 in 5 "long term celibates" and it had one of the highest difference in male/female suicide ratio in the world, moreover, it had one of the biggest suicide rate on the planet.
Well maybe its because Poland was under communist rule for decades. The Catholicism was more of an Polish identify thing, its more of a cultural influence, and most poles didnt really follow it religiously.
 

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There were "celibate evenings" or "help for finding a wife", but I got brutally rejected as well as if I approached a random girl in the street during daytime. These "Catholics" foids looked primarily about economical success, looks, and how good you are at speaking (sorry, lying and making them laugh).
My experience with Catholic women is that they're pretty much the same as the non-religious Western women tbh. They're liberal by default and expect the Church to adapt. They might speak up against abortion and things like that from time to time and they mostly don't openly parade around as sluts in public, but that's about it. They still want the same type of man that the non-religious women do, they want a good looking religious man and if they can't get one, they want a non-religious good looking guy. Once that fails, they settle for religious betabuxxer who orbiter around them in these Catholic groups.

Most Catholic men I met act like total cucks these days. It's so depressing. The religion has become totally feminized and liberalized. This is because the Church has been westernized and started supporting secular states.
 

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Well maybe its because Poland was under communist rule for decades. The Catholicism was more of an Polish identify thing, its more of a cultural influence, and most poles didnt really follow it religiously.
I must disagree with you and OP, since I went to many Catholic groups and saw all the hypocrites in there. Not less "degenerate" or more moral than the general Agnostic/atheist/non-practicing population, but very good at lecturing others. Rumors were widespread too. In fact, I found many of the "None practicing Catholics" to be nicer than in the Church. Every priest has his own preachings and opinions he impose to his Church, his "teachings", and everyone has to follow his rule lines. Some preach global Capitalism as the ultimate good, others are kinda weird in their way of thinking.

There were "celibate evenings" or "help for finding a wife", but I got brutally rejected as well as if I approached a random girl in the street during daytime. These "Catholics" foids looked primarily about economical success, looks, and how good you are at speaking (sorry, lying and making them laugh).

We must stop thinking about Religion. Christianity is dying, because of its own faults and mistakes, committed by the Christian Churches, especially Catholic one. Only Christianity I can support is purely Evangelical Protestantism. New Testament – core of Christian Corporatism. So, we do not need Christianity, we do not need Church. We, Corporatists, are the Church, it is clearly written in the New Testament. People who live Corporatist way=Church of Christ. The main problem people have is lack of understanding of Corporatism and New Testament itself. Jesus Christ was a proponent of pure Corporatism, just like people before him. Like Plato, Aristotle. Corporatism stands above Religion, above Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, Paganism and others.
 

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the issue is that the very modern world we see before us today was spun out of the kind of society you want to regress back to. It's impossible, as it places faith in something above man, earth, nature and has contempt for life itself. The very purpose of life in your framework is to serve the outworldly, but the outworldly is nowhere to be observed in this or any other world. It is not an organic way to structure society and will therefore inevitably succumb to the kind of degeneration we see today. And what is it we see today, exactly? What is the notion of equality if not the bastardized off spring of the doctrine within christianity that preaches spiritual equality between men? What is capitalism, which is what has swept aside whatever morality preceeding it and replaced it with hollow material "virtues", if not the logical consequence of serving god through one's deeds? What is the modern worship of blind and foolish pacifism, if not a continuation of the doctrine "turn the other cheek"? Whatever path we choose going forward, it will have to be a one without exalted values and belief in something above nature and life itself.
 

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the issue is that the very modern world we see before us today was spun out of the kind of society you want to regress back to. It's impossible, as it places faith in something above man, earth, nature and has contempt for life itself. The very purpose of life in your framework is to serve the outworldly, but the outworldly is nowhere to be observed in this or any other world. It is not an organic way to structure society and will therefore inevitably succumb to the kind of degeneration we see today. And what is it we see today, exactly? What is the notion of equality if not the bastardized off spring of the doctrine within christianity that preaches spiritual equality between men? What is capitalism, which is what has swept aside whatever morality preceeding it and replaced it with hollow material "virtues", if not the logical consequence of serving god through one's deeds? What is the modern worship of blind and foolish pacifism, if not a continuation of the doctrine "turn the other cheek"? Whatever path we choose going forward, it will have to be a one without exalted values and belief in something above nature and life itself.
Being an agnostic, it is irrelevant what religion or belief you are thinking of. Every person has the right to believe what it wants, the same as ideology. As I said once, I have no respect to Pope Francis and to Catholic Church for its pro-immigration stance, among others. I do not believe in so-called "brother love", are you aware of the fact, that most of the killings take place between the members of one family or between people who can be called as friends? I prefer another style of relations – be like a mirror, if someone loves you, love him/her much more, if someone hates you, hate him/her too, but stronger. It is a very reasonable position and in my humble opinion, the most natural one.

And "turning the other cheek" is for mentally crank people, no reasonably thinking person would do that, that's for sure. I've never met such a one.
 

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I think you're right. In Europe the systems we have clearly aren't working and are now actively implementing Islamic takeover while disagreeing with all they stand for JFL.

I don't know enough about Islam to know if it would be a better regime for mitigating inceldom but it's clearly anti-science and it's hard to see how technology could progress under such strict dogma and cousin-fucking culture. They may have a better mentality for men but I'm not convinced that it's the best way forward.
 

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I think you're right. In Europe the systems we have clearly aren't working and are now actively implementing Islamic takeover while disagreeing with all they stand for JFL.

I don't know enough about Islam to know if it would be a better regime for mitigating inceldom but it's clearly anti-science and it's hard to see how technology could progress under such strict dogma and cousin-fucking culture. They may have a better mentality for men but I'm not convinced that it's the best way forward.
in slam chaddam get 4 wifes, meanwhile the muslimcels blow themselfs in hope to get 72 virgirns, why do you think there is so many muslimcels here?
 

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So in short all problems stem from the illusion of free will?

Good post, OP. Would be a laugh if IT decides to say something about this.
 

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So in short all problems stem from the illusion of free will?

Good post, OP. Would be a laugh if IT decides to say something about this.
The never will feature these high IQ posts
 

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High IQ. But always a lonely men have been seen as losers or gay,etc. And if this phenomenon were on foids the society will be more collaborative.
 

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Just wait. You will get ex muslim and atheist dogs barking like bitches. Man, i hate them so much.
 

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