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I showed him the screen, so he might know my username, but I doubt he would keep a note of it.
Hello FrothDad. I am posting this message to you on the Internet (you have to take it slow with boomers)
Back at my parents' house, my dad got a chance to read your post.
He says there's a reason we, as a civilized society, don't rely on carnal instinct. If a woman choses a caveman, is that necessarily more righteous? Even if he's a bad person? Who hurts her?
If you're saying some people are incel because they don't look the right way (men should look like cavemen and women should have tiddy and booty) he agrees that yes, if you're physically attractive you'll probably have an easier time of attracting people. But it's not necessarily the "right thing."
As for who has the "advantage" based on how a man should look vs. how a woman should look, you can't assume that for anyone. There are plenty of men and women alike who are unhappy with the status quo. Instead of trying to figure out whose problems matter more, try instead to just care about everyone's problems.
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hello sir we are all nice kids here 
These aren't his words verbatim, I'm interpreting.
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The thing is it doesn't matter if it's righteous or not. And we do use our "carnal instincts". It's been proven that people who are considered more "attractive" get treated better. and the mere fact that it's based off of this "primitive" instinct just proves that we indeed are fucked if we are born fucked.
Regardless of the fact that foids can feel like shit. There's an inherited value difference between men and women. Just because women don't like the idea doesn't mean they don't benefit from it. Testosterone is impulsive and more "desperate" than estrogen. Men want women more than women want men. This causes a great imbalance in society. It will be based on the requirement the more valuable "female" humans want. Men will have to impress women for women to choose the men. It's like that in the animal kingdom and in our societies. Ask your dad if it was him who "chose" his wife or did his wife "choose" him. Even the ugliest women would still be more valuable than the average man
He asks "Isn't what's right and wrong the whole fight? We know the world is wrong, that's why we try to change it. That's what social justice is." No gender should "have" to be anything they don't need to be.
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The whole fight was about seeing who had the advantage or not. To see if incels have genuine points. Social justice would be "ok" if it was based on truth and tried to help us. But all it's doing is empowering more and more of this "instinctual selection". It's helping the "wrong" side. If you will
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Scientific Blackpill
The Scientific Blackpill is about understanding the nature of human social and sexual behavior with a particular focus on evolutionary psychological perspectives...
If you're not on a desktop, I'll copy paste the one line summaries for you. I hope he has the patience to read this much:
- 1 Personality
- 1.1 Women are attracted to the Dark Triad - narcissism, manipulativeness, & psychopathy
- 1.2 Women are the largest consumers of porn where women are violently raped and abused
- 1.3 62% of women have fantasies about rape and other forced sex acts
- 1.4 Women are drawn more than men to nonfiction stories of rape, murder, and serial killers
- 1.5 Childhood bullies experience greater sexual success than non-bullies
- 1.6 Men with antisocial behaviors reproduce more
- 1.7 39% of hospitalized male psychopaths have had consensual sex with female mental health staff
- 1.8 Male gang members have dramatically more consensual female sexual partners
- 1.9 Men are attracted to "nice" women, but women are not attracted to "nice" men
- 1.10 Female narcissism reduces marital quality for men, male narcissism does not for women
- 1.11 Women desiring marriage and commitment are more attracted to narcissistic men
- 2 Mental
- 3 Race
- 3.1 Women are more racist than men in speed dating
- 3.2 Women are more racist than men in online dating
- 3.3 Top white men get over 11 times as much interest from women on Tinder vs. top Asian men
- 3.4 Being an Asian male in the USA is a primary predictor of 'never being kissed'
- 3.5 Asian women marry interracially twice as often as Asian men
- 3.6 Asian men have half the relationships as white men due to women's "racial hierarchy"
- 3.7 90% of women with a racial preference have a preference to exclude Asian men
- 3.8 Whiter, golden, & rosier (ie. Caucasian) skin is interpreted as healthier and more attractive
- 4 Looks
- 4.1 Beauty is objective and measurable in the brain
- 4.2 People broadly agree on who is good looking or not, even across cultures
- 4.3 Babies can easily differentiate between attractive and unattractive faces
- 4.4 Parents treat attractive children better than ugly children
- 4.5 Women feel sexual disgust when shown unattractive men
- 4.6 Looks are most important to women in speed dating
- 4.7 Looks are most important to women in video dating
- 4.8 It is Looks > Personality > Money for both genders, but women lie more about it
- 4.9 Your looks define perception of your personality in online dating
- 4.10 A man's personality only matters to a woman if he meets her basic looks cutoff first
- 4.11 Being unattractive reduces men's chances of finding partners, but not women's
- 4.12 Women are most aroused by male facial features which inspire dominance and fear
- 4.13 Good looking people are more often presumed innocent and given lighter sentences
- 4.14 Women are more tolerant of violent behaviors from good looking men
- 4.15 Good looking people earn more money
- 4.16 Women are less likely to use a condom with a more attractive male partner
- 5 Money
- 6 Height
- 6.1 Taller men experience a better quality of life in almost every respect
- 6.2 2/3 of women refuse to even consider a man who is 5'7" or less
- 6.3 Women want a male partner to be 7-9" taller than them
- 6.4 Short men have twice the suicide rate of tall men
- 6.5 Women lie more about their heights in online dating than men
- 7 Body
- 7.1 Facial attractiveness contributes more to overall attractiveness then body, particularly in men
- 7.2 All women find the bodies of "strong looking men" more attractive then those with weaker bodies
- 7.3 36.4% of US male online daters are now resorting to anabolic steroids & bulimia to compete
- 7.4 The most attractive BMI for men is 24.5 and for women 17-20 as it is most youthful
- 7.5 Men prefer low waist-hip ratios in women as they signal youth
- 8 Dick
- 9 Age
- 9.1 It is normal for healthy men to find pubescent & prepubescent females sexually arousing
- 9.2 Men sexually prefer young women throughout life, while women prefer same age men
- 9.3 Women age facially at 2-3 times the rate of men
- 9.4 Men's desirability to women online peaks at 50, while women's peaks at 18 and then falls rapidly
- 10 Hypergamy
- 10.1 Average women receive 20 times as many matches as average men on Tinder
- 10.2 Women rate 80% of men as "below average"
- 10.3 The top 10% of men get 58% of women's likes in online dating
- 10.4 The top 5-20% of men (ie. "Chads") are now having more sex than ever before
- 10.5 Women are more attracted to men who are already in relationships than single men
- 10.6 Women are prone to instability when they are more attractive than their male partner
- 10.7 Before 'enforced monogamy', 2-to-17x as many women as men successfully reproduced
- 11 Cucks
- 11.1 Women name the wrong man as the "father" for between 0.8% and 30% of all childbirths
- 11.2 Women rapidly lose interest in sex once in a stable relationship or living with a man
- 11.3 The more women love their husbands, the less likely they are to initiate sex
- 11.4 Women initiate 69% of divorces
- 11.5 Liberal men are less attractive to woman than conservative men
- 11.6 Vegetarian men are less attractive, likable, and masculine to women than omnivorous men
- 12 Sluts
- 12.1 Higher partner count reduces female marital success, but not male
- 12.2 Women are half as likely as men to be very satisfied by a one night stand
- 12.3 Promiscuous women are more incompetent, cold, and unstable, according to women
- 12.4 Women write 45% of all "misogynistic" tweets on Twitter about female promiscuity
- 13 MeToo
- 13.1 28% of young women now consider men even winking at them to be sexual harassment
- 13.2 Women's definition of sexual harassment depends on the attractiveness of the man
- 13.3 Attractiveness determines perceptions of guilt or innocence in cases of sexual harassment
- 13.4 Men & especially ugly men are considered inherently "creepier" than women
- 13.5 Men are equally likely as women to be victims of violent crime
- 13.6 More men are raped in the USA every year than women
- 13.7 Any sex a woman has after drinking alcohol can be defined as rape by a man under US law
- 14 Health
- 15 ItsOver
- 15.1 Celibacy in young US men is now 28% and rising, particularly affecting ethnic men
- 15.2 36% of young men and 39% of young women in Japan are now virgins
- 15.3 The number of high school students who date is plummeting
- 15.4 Age of first sex is rising in USA for both genders
- 15.5 Online dating is now the primary way people meet for relationships
- 15.6 Online dating increases depression and reduces self-esteem
- 15.7 Women are happier being single than men
- 15.8 Men are more likely than women to commit suicide
- 15.9 Loneliness and suicide rates are rising for both genders
- 15.10 Incel forums are disproportionately populated by disabled, autistic, and ethnic men
What does he think about the fact that there is solid scientific evidence to support every single point there?
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It would be funny if someone was with a chad and got them to talk to the forum.
What does your dad think of Tinder?
Hi forthy's dad, are you Jewish?
Show him the index of this page if you're on a desktop:
Scientific Blackpill
The Scientific Blackpill is about understanding the nature of human social and sexual behavior with a particular focus on evolutionary psychological perspectives...incels.wiki
If you're not on a desktop, I'll copy paste the one line summaries for you. I hope he has the patience to read this much:
- 1 Personality
- 1.1 Women are attracted to the Dark Triad - narcissism, manipulativeness, & psychopathy
- 1.2 Women are the largest consumers of porn where women are violently raped and abused
- 1.3 62% of women have fantasies about rape and other forced sex acts
- 1.4 Women are drawn more than men to nonfiction stories of rape, murder, and serial killers
- 1.5 Childhood bullies experience greater sexual success than non-bullies
- 1.6 Men with antisocial behaviors reproduce more
- 1.7 39% of hospitalized male psychopaths have had consensual sex with female mental health staff
- 1.8 Male gang members have dramatically more consensual female sexual partners
- 1.9 Men are attracted to "nice" women, but women are not attracted to "nice" men
- 1.10 Female narcissism reduces marital quality for men, male narcissism does not for women
- 1.11 Women desiring marriage and commitment are more attracted to narcissistic men
- 2 Mental
- 3 Race
- 3.1 Women are more racist than men in speed dating
- 3.2 Women are more racist than men in online dating
- 3.3 Top white men get over 11 times as much interest from women on Tinder vs. top Asian men
- 3.4 Being an Asian male in the USA is a primary predictor of 'never being kissed'
- 3.5 Asian women marry interracially twice as often as Asian men
- 3.6 Asian men have half the relationships as white men due to women's "racial hierarchy"
- 3.7 90% of women with a racial preference have a preference to exclude Asian men
- 3.8 Whiter, golden, & rosier (ie. Caucasian) skin is interpreted as healthier and more attractive
- 4 Looks
- 4.1 Beauty is objective and measurable in the brain
- 4.2 People broadly agree on who is good looking or not, even across cultures
- 4.3 Babies can easily differentiate between attractive and unattractive faces
- 4.4 Parents treat attractive children better than ugly children
- 4.5 Women feel sexual disgust when shown unattractive men
- 4.6 Looks are most important to women in speed dating
- 4.7 Looks are most important to women in video dating
- 4.8 It is Looks > Personality > Money for both genders, but women lie more about it
- 4.9 Your looks define perception of your personality in online dating
- 4.10 A man's personality only matters to a woman if he meets her basic looks cutoff first
- 4.11 Being unattractive reduces men's chances of finding partners, but not women's
- 4.12 Women are most aroused by male facial features which inspire dominance and fear
- 4.13 Good looking people are more often presumed innocent and given lighter sentences
- 4.14 Women are more tolerant of violent behaviors from good looking men
- 4.15 Good looking people earn more money
- 4.16 Women are less likely to use a condom with a more attractive male partner
- 5 Money
- 6 Height
- 6.1 Taller men experience a better quality of life in almost every respect
- 6.2 2/3 of women refuse to even consider a man who is 5'7" or less
- 6.3 Women want a male partner to be 7-9" taller than them
- 6.4 Short men have twice the suicide rate of tall men
- 6.5 Women lie more about their heights in online dating than men
- 7 Body
- 7.1 Facial attractiveness contributes more to overall attractiveness then body, particularly in men
- 7.2 All women find the bodies of "strong looking men" more attractive then those with weaker bodies
- 7.3 36.4% of US male online daters are now resorting to anabolic steroids & bulimia to compete
- 7.4 The most attractive BMI for men is 24.5 and for women 17-20 as it is most youthful
- 7.5 Men prefer low waist-hip ratios in women as they signal youth
- 8 Dick
- 9 Age
- 9.1 It is normal for healthy men to find pubescent & prepubescent females sexually arousing
- 9.2 Men sexually prefer young women throughout life, while women prefer same age men
- 9.3 Women age facially at 2-3 times the rate of men
- 9.4 Men's desirability to women online peaks at 50, while women's peaks at 18 and then falls rapidly
- 10 Hypergamy
- 10.1 Average women receive 20 times as many matches as average men on Tinder
- 10.2 Women rate 80% of men as "below average"
- 10.3 The top 10% of men get 58% of women's likes in online dating
- 10.4 The top 5-20% of men (ie. "Chads") are now having more sex than ever before
- 10.5 Women are more attracted to men who are already in relationships than single men
- 10.6 Women are prone to instability when they are more attractive than their male partner
- 10.7 Before 'enforced monogamy', 2-to-17x as many women as men successfully reproduced
- 11 Cucks
- 11.1 Women name the wrong man as the "father" for between 0.8% and 30% of all childbirths
- 11.2 Women rapidly lose interest in sex once in a stable relationship or living with a man
- 11.3 The more women love their husbands, the less likely they are to initiate sex
- 11.4 Women initiate 69% of divorces
- 11.5 Liberal men are less attractive to woman than conservative men
- 11.6 Vegetarian men are less attractive, likable, and masculine to women than omnivorous men
- 12 Sluts
- 12.1 Higher partner count reduces female marital success, but not male
- 12.2 Women are half as likely as men to be very satisfied by a one night stand
- 12.3 Promiscuous women are more incompetent, cold, and unstable, according to women
- 12.4 Women write 45% of all "misogynistic" tweets on Twitter about female promiscuity
- 13 MeToo
- 13.1 28% of young women now consider men even winking at them to be sexual harassment
- 13.2 Women's definition of sexual harassment depends on the attractiveness of the man
- 13.3 Attractiveness determines perceptions of guilt or innocence in cases of sexual harassment
- 13.4 Men & especially ugly men are considered inherently "creepier" than women
- 13.5 Men are equally likely as women to be victims of violent crime
- 13.6 More men are raped in the USA every year than women
- 13.7 Any sex a woman has after drinking alcohol can be defined as rape by a man under US law
- 14 Health
- 15 ItsOver
- 15.1 Celibacy in young US men is now 28% and rising, particularly affecting ethnic men
- 15.2 36% of young men and 39% of young women in Japan are now virgins
- 15.3 The number of high school students who date is plummeting
- 15.4 Age of first sex is rising in USA for both genders
- 15.5 Online dating is now the primary way people meet for relationships
- 15.6 Online dating increases depression and reduces self-esteem
- 15.7 Women are happier being single than men
- 15.8 Men are more likely than women to commit suicide
- 15.9 Loneliness and suicide rates are rising for both genders
- 15.10 Incel forums are disproportionately populated by disabled, autistic, and ethnic men
What does he think about the fact that there is solid scientific evidence to support every single point there?
Just under 100 points. It'll take him some time, but he says he wants to read them.
He doesn't use it.
No.
If we don't talk about our problems with other men with the same problems and allow our forum to gain visibility how can we expect the world to see how widespread this problem is becoming? The problem may never be solved depending on who you ask and in that case this forum helps people deal with the disadvantages they were born with. Feel free to show him this message because I'd prefer him not to believe the media definition of us which is one sided and inaccurate.
What does he think of ethnic men?
He says he thought the fight/the genuine points were "Men are suffering too, but don't get the advocacy they deserve." Not "We should help who has it worse and men have it worse, therefore fuck women." He says even if it was proven that women have it worse, if 99% of the rapes only happened to women and there was only one case of rape that ever happened to a man, you don't need to wait for some arbitrary number of rapes to affect men before you can say "Raping men is bad and so is a culture that encourages raping men."
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Hello FrothySolutions dad, Would you gas the kikes and cage the foids ?
Dylann Roof was based ngl
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The purpose isn't to "demonize" women, But rather show the truth that they are set up in a (higher) position that can exploit and manipulate the way men work. All the power and potency is on their hand. If one day they chose to only select 7 foot tall asian men for instance. Who is man to stop them? We cannot stop them or place an appeal for them to "change how they select". We are stuck at the mercy of the women and they decide what they want to. Of course inherently there's nothing morally "wrong" with a girl having a preference but the mere fact that these preferences are based on uncontrollable factors. That cannot be "edited" or "evovled" or "maxed to" is what's making us, incels as a collective angry. if we had a system of "preference" where we can "evolve" too i'm sure many "incels" would be happy. If I can "grind or evolve" into being white. If I could "evolve" into having good facial structure or genetics. But these are not yet possible. I can't change my appearance to that extent. And also the fact that women are too stubborn to want to change it. They don't care for the degenerates. They mock us. The fact that it's also been proven that most women's "deduction" of what attractiveness is and who is attractive is mostly the same for all of them.
He doesn't mean not talking about your problems, he means the hate for women and certain ethnic groups and so on.
Like women and Jews. He said he thought it was a myth that incels are racist and sexist. He's not saying this post is indicative of all incels, but this post is indicative of racism and sexism. I explained that incels have a lot to be angry about, so they lash out in ways like this. He says instead of lashing out with rhetoric, instead focus on the reasons you're really upset. If you're really not a racist or a misogynist and believe in a world where women and Jews have as much rights as you do, you should be able to explain your position and ask no more from women and Jews than you would put upon yourself.
He says that's what most people who demonize people say. "It's not demonizing, we're just exposing the Patriarchy" or "It's not demonizing, we're just exposing White Privilege." Social justice is supposed to be about helping those who aren't spoken for, not calling out those who are. Feed the poor, don't kill the rich to do it. Help your fellow man, don't gas your fellow woman to do it.
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It would be propaganda if I were adding or manipulating how it all works. But he agreed with me on how it works. It's simply a biological mechanism. How do we "help" someone who was born tainted. That's the whole thing about identifying the issue. How do we cure a disease if we don't know what the disease is or does, or what it looks like. That's why incels are angry. Like I said we can't "evolve" these things.
We change society's warped outlook that a man is "defective" because of how he looks. He also says it doesn't mean you'll get laid because of it, people will always be attracted to the people they're attracted to, but as far as how you deserve to be treated, that should change. This is not a fight to convince women to be attracted to you, it's a fight to convince society that you're not a second-class citizen.
I do not get this. Why is anger always labeled as something bad. men should let it free. All anger and we will rule this world. Stop being weak now. It makes me even more angry.
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These don't work out with each other, think about this logically.
1.People have this "objective" systematical mental attractiveness scale
2.People deduce that the "defectives" are not attractive
3.Mentally they are already seen as "lesser than" the more attractive ones.
Some are so low that they are "incels". They are too genetically bad to pro-create.
Subconsciously they simply won't be the same as the "chads". In order to change this we need to get people to change their perception of how "attractiveness" should be seen. His idea is very "considerate" and "nice" but that's not how humans work. If you are perceived as "lesser" simply because your existence is "different" than a chad you're already losing and you can't blame the incels for feeling like they were "scammed" or that the society is "unauthentic". Especially when pro-creating is the biological purpose. We essentially "failed" the purpose the minute we were conceived. The idea isn't to "get entitled to a female" it's so we get "entitled" to a CHANCE. to grow in the society and maybe get a foid. Not force
He asks "If you can change society's mind on what 'attractive' is, why can't you tell society not to prejudice people based on how they look?" If we are so above animal instinct that we can just change it, surely the easier thing is to just not be lookist in the first place.
My dad says the only fight you should fighting is the one where you get to live in peace with other people who want to live in peace. Your quarrel is with anyone who won't let that happen.
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Because it's not easy. we're not that much above "animal instinct" we're hoping it's possible to maybe change it to give us an opportunity to truly "live" our purposes. It's baby steps friend. Their "prejudice" comes from their compass that's inside their mind. The human is a complex "animal".
But you just said you can change it. Instead of changing society's nature to "Incels = sexy," instead change it to "Everyone = valid, regardless of how sexy they are."
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I think there's a misinterpretation here. Perhaps we can change it. The idea is Everyone = Valid and Attractiveness = not 100% based on genetics and gives incels a small chance to = Attractive, If "Incels" = could be attractive then the subconscious perception of incels change to
Defective but i'll give sympathy because poor guy to now: Defective but can still grind and be a part of us, so not "defective" but set back.
My dad says "attractiveness" isn't the battle to fight. It's about your worth as a human. You don't need to be physically attractive to matter, and that's what we should be fighting for.
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The issue here isn't if we're "treated like shit" or "treated well". Most of us don't give a fuck about how someone "treats" us. We care about our "purpose" to be able to pro-create. We are humans with "cravings" just like everyone else. Yes it's nice to be treated nicely but it won't be "enough" 90% of this forum are counting down the days till the rope. We're living aimlessly, without purpose. We want to be able to have a chance at our purpose. You think being treated nicely will help our "purpose" completely? This isn't an entitlement to 100% get a foid. This is "entitlement" for a chance to live with a purpose.
We're not looking for your pity. We're looking for a solution.
This
My dad says a person's "purpose" isn't to procreate. Many people don't ever "procreate" and are happy. He doesn't deny that sex is great and it would be a shame to miss out on it, but it isn't fair to try and convince the world to have sex with you. Yes, they shouldn't be lookist, and from that maybe some sexual avenues will open up. Maybe not treating short men as second class will convince more women to think "I won't be so hung up on his height, I'll give him a chance." But to make the fight purely about tricking or fooling the world into being attracted to what you want them to be attracted to, that's dishonest.
He then adds "This should be about opening people's minds. To just 'retarget' it, to say 'Hey you should still be lookist, but you should like my looks instead' is a lateral move and the tactic of the enemy."
Sounds pretty blue-pilled.
Is ur dad bluepilled? You'll be doing him a favour if you put him down if he is. Like a sick dog. Put him down to sleep ofc, not killing him or anything.
Well, he's not incel, and he's a very spiritual person.
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Again, your points are nice but they are based on a fake reality, there's multiple studies that prove it wouldn't work.
1. Biologically yes, a persons purpose is to literally procreate. Even singular cell organisms "know" this. Please read up on it.
2. Someone being "happy" =/= they completed their biological purpose. That's what copes are, temporary happiness that numbs the pain
3. Being "nicer" to defectives alone is NOT enough. Woman subconsciously decide if someone is attractive or not. I think I gave links that showed they "subconsciously" like men with more "cavemen" like features. Which changes their perception of how he is and how much of a "good person he is" etc. The VERY reason as to why they think they are "second class citizens" is BECAUSE they are unattractive. You're thinking of it backwards. They are treated that way as a reflection of their shit genetics. It WONT convince women about anything. The only thing you're doing is telling women to give them plastic politeness while still deep down inside, thinking they are trash. So no. this doesn't help. And just saying, there's hundreds of studies in our wiki page for you to look at to see it isn't only a "caveman" like face. (Parents literally treat "uglier" kids will less attention. And they care less about them, just an example).
4. It's not about "tricking" or deceiving anyone, it's about considering us and helping us. giving us a chance. We're trying to get them to make the deduction "I should change, if I can't, at least i'll try to change".
"but you should like my looks instead'"
I never said this. I didn't list of what specifically needs to change. I don't know what needs to change in that regard frankly. No one fucking does.
Boomer logic unfortunately
So does this mean people who don't have children are just "coping?"
But you said you could change this. You said you could make society treat incels better. If you can do that, why not change society so that they don't treat people badly based on how they look?
Looks, or personality, or moral fiber, you can't tell the world what to be attracted to. You can tell the world these are valuable traits and a handsome person isn't automatically better than a hard working and kind ugly person though.
He says "If you're trying to tell people 'You should have sex with more incels' you have to consider that they have the right to have sex with anyone they consent to having sex with. You can't tell someone they're wrong for not having sex with an ugly person. But you can tell someone they're wrong for prejudicing an ugly person."
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I think this is going to be my last post on this matter for consideration towards you, unless you don't mind being the middle man in this conversation. Firstly i'd like to begin by saying that there's multiple logical fallacies in your points. I'll list them off again.
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So does this mean people who don't have children are just "coping?"
Biologically speaking, yes they are "coping" or "killing time" off until their impending demise. We're all slowly dying and we're looking for some "entertainment" if you will.
2.
But you said you could change this. You said you could make society treat incels better. If you can do that, why not change society so that they don't treat people badly based on how they look?
The issue isn't the fact if it can be "changed" or not. I think we're not understanding each others perspectives here. Allow me to rephrase what I mean. (Tell me if this is incongruent with what I said earlier.
If in theory we're going to say that "incels" should be treated better. We need to understand why they aren't. It's easy to say "they're ugly therefore they have negative connotation and are "inferior", so "fuck incels". The issue is that the human brain. Is not "logical". For instance you said "people are attracted to who they are attracted too". Ever wonder how or why? The answer is the brain has an "automatic" reaction to things. This is thanks to the parasympathetic nervous system, and the autonomic nervous system. (See: https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/parasympathetic_nervous_system.htm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomic_nervous_system)
This "system" automatically controls our sexual arousal towards other beings. We don't control our urges. I hear that you're very spiritual so I assume you've heard of the "sin of the flesh". It's not something in OUR control. It's thanks to this "system". Now in society if men and women are generally automatically attracted to someone and because of this "automatic" attraction. They cannot use "reason" or "logic" to deduce their own ideas. Their brain is "forced" into this situation. (There's studies to confirm this, i'm not going to fill the response with links but if u want the links dm me). And this "attraction" has been confirmed to change the perception of personality and "worth". Like I said. If there are ugly men. They are seen with not only negative connotation regarding their chance to have sex. But they are automatically assume to be "eviler, creepier, crueler, "more criminal" etc". So when you simply trivialize this by saying "Just be nice to incels" you're not going to eventually change the way the subconscious brain views people. They won't be like "maybe he isn't that bad". They will be like "He is bad but I must be nice to him". Now the very idea that this is determined "AUTOMATICALLY" already just shows how fucked it is. People aren't even "free" to decide for themselves what's "attractive" or not. so to say they are being "forced" by incels is illogical. They are ALREADY forced to be that way. All you're doing is giving them this plastic politeness. You're not fixing anything. In layman's terms.
"Just be nice to incels while ignoring the fact that your brain automatically, (without your own consent) determines FOR YOU what is attractive or not without any logic or analysis, and based on this we will assume that the "attractive" person is a better, nicer, more innocent person without further analysis". It just isn't enough. I think if you went up to any women and showed her the data and studies she'd be fucking pissed at her own bullshit brain if she sat and thought about it" It just shows you that there is something inherently wrong with humans and animals. This isn't a reasonable thing to deduce with.
All this does is IGNORE the problem which is the autonomous "attraction" garbage. This is why even women who were "in love" with their husbands go on reddit and ask why the fuck they "don't feel anything" anymore and want to pursue "better males" without them logically wanting too. It's a subconscious parasite. It's our lizard brain.
Now if we attacked the problem directly. And showed that in-fact yes, "attraction" is "objective" and our brains/bodies are deciding for us what is and isn't "good" without reasoning. There is something wrong. To the point where even parents are "Subconsciously being more Negligent TO THEIR SON BECAUSE HES FUCKING UGLY" there is 100% a fucking problem. You have your son, imagine if you had a very pretty son and a very ugly son. Are you going to tell me you like the fact that your brain FORCES you to love your prettier son more? Would you even call yourself a human at that point? It's monstrous. It's "evil". And you can't control it. We're trying to let the world know that THIS is truly how it works and that we must stop it. We must find a solution to the madness. It first starts with the issue of how we look at "attractive". It starts inside your brain, this is not "forcing" anything. You're already enslaved. We are already forced. Changing that with pretend "niceness" isn't going to change the automatic.
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He says "If you're trying to tell people 'You should have sex with more incels' you have to consider that they have the right to have sex with anyone they consent to having sex with. You can't tell someone they're wrong for not having sex with an ugly person. But you can tell someone they're wrong for prejudicing an ugly person."
The thing is, i'm not telling anyone they are wrong or that they should have sex with anyone. That isn't my point. The way it works is the reasoning as to why it's fucked up. Like I said earlier. If it's an automatic "instinctual" impulse, that forces the brain to act differently. They're already "enslaved".
The way they get attracted and do it is based on a fucked system already. We're just calling it out for what it is. It's not a females fault if her "brain/body" automatically decides for her who she wants to fuck. Without a hint of reason. But the fact that it's happening is fucked up. You're trying to make it seem as if i'm saying "the female is fucked up" When it's not that. The "enemy" is this "lizard" brain that destroys our rationale. You admitted yourself that this "looksist" shit is wrong. You already technically proved my point and agreed with me by saying
"Yes, they shouldn't be lookist, and from that maybe some sexual avenues will open up. Maybe not treating short men as second class"
The fact that the brain automatically does this for them. Is the shit part. If it wasn't like this they wouldn't deduce "short men are second class citizens". Yes if we tell them "they should be valued the same" it would help. But if we asked them, Do you not like short men because you don't like them? Or do you not like them because some instinctual urge is FORCING you to not like them. And studies show the latter is true.
And what I mean by this is if it's some "inner" "primal" subconscious urge telling her "short is shit must fuck tall ones" or if it's her actual consented liking. There's a difference
Are they really "free" if their brain goes into "auto pilot" for them without their own consent?
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What was his sexual history/success with foids like before marrying your mother?
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The positions displayed about long nosed people and holes go beyond hate for them, they serve as a normie repellent.
My mom says he had a lot. But my dad says that he wasn't a very social person.
He says why would you repel normies? Is he not a normie? What did he do to you?
@Numb, you can keep talking. He's not gonna make an account here though.
To your first point, he says he disagrees, and there is no "biologically speaking" because we aren't bound to the rules of animals. We aren't obligated to do anything but what we as a society decides we will. Single celled organisms might have the capacity to reproduce, but that doesn't mean all lifeforms are obligated to reproduce. We're humans, we can do whatever we decide we should do.
And he gets that you're saying that people are biased because of some "monstrous evil instinct." But you said this was a problem that could, and should, be called out and solved. That's his point. If this lizard-brain instinct can be changed, and that's your mission, why not change it not so that people are more attracted to incels, but that people are overall more considerate and open minded to all people?
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I dont have a lot of good memories from past interactions. I dont know if hes a normie. Nothing i believe.
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Dude more men are raped every year in America than women and that's a fact:
More men are raped in the US than women
In 2008, it was estimated 216,000 inmates were sexually assaulted while serving time in America, according to the Department of Justice figures.
No one cares because most male rape victims are raped in prison. "Haha prison rape - so funny lol." Men are worthless.
It doesn't matter if he was a 'social' person or not. People back then were social by default because the state of technology did not allow you to entertain yourself all on your own like we can, you had to go out to have fun.
If he had several sexual partners he has no right to criticize us or claim to understand where we're coming from.
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biologically speaking we have a literal URGE to want to pro-create like that. Look it up, while you're not "forced" you "crave" it. That's my point. But it's irrelevant really. It's not even a rationalization. This is a big topic among many different scientists. Some of them proposed that "the purpose to life is to continue life". We all have this "want" to conceive more beings, and we base our development on this idea. Ovulation testosterone etc. All based on the idea of pro-creation.
"why not change it not so that people are more attracted to incels, but that people are overall more considerate and open minded to all people"
I mean that's what I implied. I don't want to "rewire" female instinct to like us and hate chads. I want all of us to be "free" and actually use our brains to choose. Not the "lizard" brain. The only thing I was debating was the fact that you were trivializing how shitty the "lizard" part is.
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