Reality or negativity?

[DengaBenga]

I can be blackpilled regarding my height, 5'1, but I also see that men my height do alright.
This is the most extensive study regarding height and number of sexual partners I've bumped into.
"Very short" being defined as 5′2″ – 5′4″.

I get that Tinder/Night clubs may not be the best bet for me, but there are alternatives.
Just the fact that when I have been traveling outside Europe / North America my height has been normal and I have seen guys my height
with wifes all the time.
So what I see from the current blackpills being served is that they are not rooted in reality, only a few cherry picked samples is being served.
It seems like most talk is depression and mental issues, not actual unattractiveness or discrimination based on looks, besides the Tinder experiments which I love.

I have gotten rejected and ridiculed for my height a lot, so I am not saying my height do not matter. I am just saying that the current blackpills seems delusional to me.
Btw, started reading a book called "Levels of energy", it truly have helped me drop my addiction to negativity.

 

[Gremlincel]

It isn't about 'negativity', or 'positivity'. Those are silly words based on how things make us feel. It is about the truth.
If the truth makes us feel bad, and is hence, negative, so be it.

 

[Newbite]

Stop making shit threads

 

[drivebyartist]

how the fuck do the blackpills seem "delusional" to you, if you've never fucking had success? .

this is literally the same as getting shot in the chest five damn times with 7.62x39mm and saying "I'LL LIVE" because you didn't die immediately when the bullets hit you.

 

[Stoiccel]

It isn't about 'negativity', or 'positivity'. Those are silly words based on how things make us feel. It is about the truth.
If the truth makes us feel bad, and is hence, negative, so be it.

 

[Gremlincel]

Stop making shit threads

oi mate that is awfully negative! be more positive bro, you'll be happier

 

[DengaBenga]

It isn't about 'negativity', or 'positivity'. Those are silly words based on how things make us feel. It is about the truth.
If the truth makes us feel bad, and is hence, negative, so be it.

I myself is a heightcel, but when I dig out actual data it doesn't look that bad.
I have really tried to search for non biased studies and well, height have somewhat of a negative impact, but "rope" if you're under 6'0?
I don't know about that.

 

[Asianmanletcel]

Tfw when you're classified as very short
IT'S FUCKING OVER

 

[DengaBenga]

how the fuck do the blackpills seem "delusional" to you, if you've never fucking had success? .

this is literally the same as getting shot in the chest five damn times with 7.62x39mm and saying "I'LL LIVE" because you didn't die immediately when the bullets hit you.

I am just saying that things which is being discussed in this forum seem to have a marginal impact, such as height.
If I am not mistaken height seem to be the second biggest complaint on why we're incels. It doesn't seem to have that much of an impact, seriously.. At least when I've been digging for non biased studies.

 

[Gremlincel]

I myself is a heightcel, but when I dig out actual data it doesn't look that bad.
I have really tried to search for non biased studies and well, height have somewhat of a negative impact, but "rope" if you're under 6'0?
I don't know about that.

I am 5'6, a shortcel, or manlet, too.
Of course, you don't have to rope. No one has to, you rope when you cannot take the pain anymore, if you are surviving as a short man, awesome.
Personally, from what I can see, I think men (and many wouldn't even call us 'men') at our height, are outright fucked in many areas of life, completely, and utterly fucked.
Stop looking for random studies, they cannot be trusted. Look around, analyze reality, the world, your past and memories, live each day with a critical mind. Find your own truth. Spend some more time here, and see what we have to say. You'll see why being short is deadly, soon enough, if so.

 

[DengaBenga]

Tfw when you're classified as very short
IT'S FUCKING OVER

The mean of number of sexual partners is only 25 % lower than of the extremely tall.
And the median is 28 % lower than those who're extremely tall.
There is an impact, but idk if it's worth going for rope.

 

[anon]

Women like about everything, especially if it makes them appear innocent. They lie about number of partners, how young they were when they lost virginity to Chad etc.
Men don't, if anything men do the exact opposite. Any (((studies))) about sexual partner numbers are not studies. They're self-reported bullshit. It's not scientific whatsoever.

 

[drivebyartist]

I am just saying that things which is being discussed in this forum seem to have a marginal impact, such as height.
If I am not mistaken height seem to be the second biggest complaint on why we're incels. It doesn't seem to have that much of an impact, seriously.. At least when I've been digging for non biased studies.

cite as many studies as you want. We're still getting rejected to this fucking day, and last I fucking checked 10/10s are never fucking seen with 5'1" manlets like yourself.

you're an idiot.

 

[DengaBenga]

I am 5'6, a shortcel, or manlet, too.
Of course, you don't have to rope. No one has to, you rope when you cannot take the pain anymore, if you are surviving as a short man, awesome.
Personally, from what I can see, I think men (and many wouldn't even call us 'men') at our height, are outright fucked in many areas of life, completely, and utterly fucked.
Stop looking for random studies, they cannot be trusted. Look around, analyze reality, the world, your past and memories, live each day with a critical mind. Find your own truth. Spend some more time here, and see what we have to say. You'll see why being short is deadly, soon enough, if so.

I don't like being short, but I am okay with it.
I have gotten a lot of shit for it, but I think it's ok.
I hate being judged for it though.

 

[acnescarcel]

you might be able to get something, but you're never going to get the girl you actually want. the blackpill isn't set in stone there will always be an example that contradicts it but by and large most women aren't going to want someone under 6 foot much less someone thats 5 1. to me it seems like you're coping. its okay to be 5 1 as a man in what world? thats like saying my acne scars are okay even though 99 percent of the world has smooth skin. no president or ceo or model is 5 1 or has acne scars.

 

[DengaBenga]

cite as many studies as you want. We're still getting rejected to this fucking day, and last I fucking checked 10/10s are never fucking seen with 5'1" manlets like yourself.

you're an idiot.

Yeah, I know short men has a disadvantage but what's the point of blowing it out of proportions?
Is it to get rid of accountability and self responsability on your part?

you might be able to get something, but you're never going to get the girl you actually want. the blackpill isn't set in stone there will always be an example that contradicts it but by and large most women aren't going to want someone under 6 foot much less someone thats 5 1. to me it seems like you're coping. its okay to be 5 1 as a man in what world? thats like saying my acne scars are okay even though 99 percent of the world has smooth skin. no president or ceo or model is 5 1 or has acne scars.

Maybe I will have trouble getting the girl I want, but roping seems drastical. I think I can get decent women, maybe not 10/10, but some average one or below average.

There are plenty of very sucessful people who're my height, two economists come to mind.
Robert Reich and Milton Friedman.
Probably no model though, I get it that being short is physically unattractive, but ffs the objective data I find do not look so bad.

I don't know much about the scars from acne, I seriously have never thought about that as a problem.

 

[Limerencel]

Can you link us the full study? I want to know what year this study was released. @DengaBenga

 

[DengaBenga]

Can you link us the full study? I want to know what year this study was released. @DengaBenga

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1474704915604563

18 September 2015

 

[Limerencel]

Even the authors of the paper acknowledge the "problematic" bias, as they used an internet survey and allowed people to self-report.

"Systematic biases in responses across participants, however, could be problematic. For example, if men who exaggerate their height by an inch or so are more likely to exaggerate their number of sex partners, then this study may overestimate the strength of the association between height and number of sex partners. Alternatively, if shorter men are more likely to overestimate their number of sex partners, this would cause association between height and sex partner number to be underestimated"

"This survey suffered the same limitation that most survey research encounters: results were derived only from people who chose to participate in the research study."

@DengaBenga
I hope you understand this paper is inconclusive. And not in touch with the reality men face that are actually "very short".

 

[DengaBenga]

Even the authors of the paper acknowledge the "problematic" bias, as they used an internet survey and allowed people to self-report.

"Systematic biases in responses across participants, however, could be problematic. For example, if men who exaggerate their height by an inch or so are more likely to exaggerate their number of sex partners, then this study may overestimate the strength of the association between height and number of sex partners. Alternatively, if shorter men are more likely to overestimate their number of sex partners, this would cause association between height and sex partner number to be underestimated"

"This survey suffered the same limitation that most survey research encounters: results were derived only from people who chose to participate in the research study."

@DengaBenga
I hope you understand this paper is inconclusive. And not in touch with the reality men face that are actually "very short".

That could be true, I agree. But it is the best empirical data I have found, so I let that guide my belief until I find anything better.
It could also go in the other direction, what if tall men overestimate their number of sexual partners and that tall men with many sexual partners were more likely to participate?

 

[Limerencel]

That could be true, I agree. But it is the best empirical data I have found, so I let that guide my belief until I find anything better.

If what you call the "best" data is still very inconclusive, you shouldn't go by it at all.

You claim that your height is 5'1. How old are you and what is your ethnicity? And have you ever had a kiss, sex, or a relationship?

 

[DengaBenga]

If what you call the "best" data is still very inconclusive, you shouldn't go by it at all.

You claim that your height is 5'1. How old are you and what is your ethnicity? And have you ever had a kiss, sex, or a relationship?

So I should trust people calling for rope if you're under 6'0 instead?


Yes, I am 5'1.
25 y/o, white.
Kissed, have had sex, never relationship.

I get a ton of shit for being short, don't get me wrong.
I like what the incel movement is doing, because I feel fucking discriminated against because of my height.
But I want to have a picture of reality which is true.

I don't want delusional bluepill and I don't want delusional blackpill.
Just reality.

 

[Deleted member 677]

Kissed, have had sex

 

[Ritalincel]

Btw, started reading a book called "Levels of energy", it truly have helped me drop my addiction to negativity.

 

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