The percentage of male virgins after 30-35 is extremely low
LifeFuel Realistically most people on this forum would ascend
You're right, this is why the average user here is a late teens/early 20s youngcel
Sorry I'm not 6'1 nor do I have the good facial genetic baseline like your face does
He himself is one. One of the biggest fakecels in this forum by far
Sorry, Im not attractive
Maybe next year, Oh wait im still gonna be incel, Maybe next year, Repeat till im dead.
Maybe next year, Oh wait im still gonna be incel, Maybe next year, Repeat till im dead.
I'd imagine to a lot of people here, ascending means more than just having sex with some used up town bike 3/10 lardwhale that's sloppy seconds of everybody else.
If escortmaxxing isn't ascension, then betabuxxing doesn't count either. In both cases, the foid only has sex with you because of your wallet.
And since foids can't ever feel romantic love or any form of genuine attraction for sub 8 males, it's near impossible for men with incel tier looks to ever get in a LTR without betabuxxing. By reasoning from this premise, you reach the conclusion to find that the vast majority of incels cannot ever ascend.
If escortmaxxing isn't ascension, then betabuxxing doesn't count either. In both cases, the foid only has sex with you because of your wallet.
And since foids can't ever feel romantic love or any form of genuine attraction for sub 8 males, it's near impossible for men with incel tier looks to ever get in a LTR without betabuxxing. By reasoning from this premise, you reach the conclusion to find that the vast majority of incels cannot ever ascend.
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3/10 is more than enough for me
I draw the line at obese however
Same, that's my only physical standard pretty much. I'm ugly as fuck myself and beggars can't be choosers. If you're sub5 and wouldn't fuck your looksmatch you're a volcel and really should not be here
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I hope I do someday
not everybody is a ripped 6'1 pretty boy like you mf
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The mods deserve a dick in their ass for allowing this stupid fakecel nigger here
You’re not 85% of this forum chadpreet. I’m a truecel and I know it
I disagree. The difference between escortmaxxing and betabuxxing a long term relationship is that in the second case you can reproduce. Someone who has fulfilled their biological potential of reproduction (what sex is for) cannot be considered an incel (someone who can't get sex). Whether they get to share nice feels with their wife is irrelevant.
The word incel has a very specific meaning, and while some failed normie betabuxxing a woman is pathetic, he is not an incel. I would not even get the opportunity to do that, being very sub 5.
Nah I can look past bad facial features since I'm a sub5 myself but land whales repulse me
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Exactly
This retard should be tortured to death
He needs to get past his body dysmorphia and talk to some girls jfl bluepilled advuce would work for him
This. I only count it as ascension if I got genuine love from a somewhat attractive woman (4/10 or greater). With my autism and other physical flaws, that's probably never gonna happen
I agree most men are in betabuxxes but it's quite rare to see someone over the age of 35 and with a job who isn't married or atleast has had sex before. Male virginity is low after that age but these men are still functionally incel because they are in dead bedroom marriages
Ascension specifically seems to mean more than just sex, but also implying a satisfactory healthy relationship with unconditional love and support. In both scenarios, escortmaxxing and betabuxxing don't feel like they meet those needs even if the men aren't virgins anymore. It's less about ending incel status and more about self affirmation beyond just sexual ways. Ascension under this definition isn't feasible for over 90% of truecels.
This is what I meant.
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I agree. The definition of ascension here is too broad, sure if I self improve maxxed everything I’d have a chance with a noodle or kfc addicted fat sheboon but that wouldnt be true love they’d just want money anyway and we wouldn’t be attracted to one another. I think at the very least arranged marriage cels shouldnt be counted as ascension.
The data says I shouldn't be virgin, yet I'm here
Lmao. No, ascension is PiV sex for free with any biological woman. This forum is turning into standardcels.is
so gay sex doesn't count?
Yeah, the threshold for what is considered "ascension" is way too low imo. Some users really think that if you have been incel all your life and get a short lived betabuxx relationship that lasts a month with no love fixes all your inceldom. It doesn't, and it's not that different from paying a prostitute really.
how do 3 of you know what he looks like
Yes. If you don't get love, I don't count it as ascension. Betabuxxing a woman to simply tolerate you and give you scraps of pussy now and then is not love, and it's not even enough sex to even be worth it. No love = no ascension as far as I'm concerned. I believe the woman needs to want you for you, not what you can provide financially or in any other way.
I know he isn't that bad looking, but he probably is a socially awkward sperg who would mess the interaction so much she'd claim harassment. Kind of the same for me. Do not underestimate NTpill
I get what you mean, but this is just a new interpretation of the work "ascension". In the beginning there were just incels, and if you ascended, you were no longer incel. Very simple. It's much easier to keep it that way and say "even if you ascend your life will still suck", which is probably the title of hundreds of posts going back years now.
Your way is easily diluted further and further until everyone is saying "well my definition of ascension is a big booty latina making me dinner every night and loving me forever and ever. If I don't get that then I haven't ascended." And then the word has zero meaning
It's better to just say ascending won't solve your problems, than to try to change the word "ascend" to mean something different, or open to interpretation
What if that got you a child, and you fulfilled the biological purpose of sex? How could you still be considered an incel? Inceldom and ascension out of it is not meant to be some disney fairytale jfl
The data says you should be virgin. Statistics say a third of asian “american” “men” die virgins So the bottom third you’re 5’6 and autistic so you’re the bottom third and therefore a statistical virgin. You’re a truecel and I acknowledge it
This. Otherwise we might as well allow "femcels" here. "I'm a femcel because Chad doesn't love me, teehee
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I need to see these stats. That is fucking brotal
I could care less about a child. I hate very few things more than the thought of being burdened with a kid. To me, sex is for pleasure. A chad who fucks a stacy every day his whole life but never has kids is far less of an incel than someone who has 5 kids with his betabuxx wife and never gets sex again till he dies.
I realistically consider someone an incel if genuine love and mutual attraction is out of reach for them. I don't expect ascension to be a fairytale of course, but she should actually love you if you are gonna even call it ascension. Betabuxxing a bitch to tolerate you is not a real relationship becasue you are just as unloved as you were single.
I understand what you're saying and I fully concur with the belief that ascension doesn't necessarily mean you will be satisfied with your life compared to your life before during your inceldom phase.
I was stating my observations of the thoughts of others on this forum, based off what I observed here from what other users have said about their opinion on this issue and their behavior in regards to this contention. Because from the experiences of reading other posts and polls, most incels here would prefer LTRs over brief hook ups. And having a female partner that actually loves you and gives you positive reinforcement instead of the relationship just being solely about sex would be the best way to maintain LTRs. By extension, this subsequently means the idea of 'ascension' that most posters here have and operate under would entail having a female companion that gives them genuinely affectionate romantic love in addition to sexual intimacy.
Let's settle this and once for all! What type of relationship would you like with a woman?
An extremely common talking point women repeat constantly when we tell them they have it VERY EASY when it comes to dating, is that it doesn't matter if women can get easy sex from Tinder because what they actually want is for the men to commit to them for long term relationships. Of course, we...
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I'm skeptical of anyone who claims ND holds them back , it's almost like a buzzword to throw around to wallow in their non existent misery
He is Dravidian Chadlite
NTpill deniers can fuck off. It literally makes it almost impossible to even make male friends, so just imagine how much it kills your odds at getting a gf.
I would prefer a LTR too but that doesn't change the fact that casual sex with any biological woman still counts as ascension. If you can have casual sex you are not an incel. I'm willing to make an exception for "escortcels" but that's it.
Being ND is definitely a disadvantage. Not as much as being sub5 though
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never have I doubted it for a second but seen many instances of people mistaking it for their introversion or plain awkwardness which they use as a guise to label themselves as an incel
Alright, but think about this. Why do you think someone becomes very introverted and awkward? In most cases, it's becasue they have been teased and ostracized for their looks and/or being a sperg who is very different from most poeple. I know for me it was a combination of both back in school
It begs the question if you are sticking to your pursuit of an ideal LTR where your romantic love is reciprocated as a goal so much that you go out of your way to reject potential short term hookups renders you a volcel then. If that's the case, then most of this site are volcels.
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