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Serious Rape is eugenic, hypergamy is dysgenic [studies]

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There's for some reason a widespread belief that hypergamy is eugenic and seizing femoids is not. However, the order here is exactly opposite. Femoids' choces are ex definitione harmful not only for society, but also for a genepool. How, would you ask?

Due to Runaway Selection, mean of reproduction, when given freedom, will always select for traits which concentrations they're aiming for are dysgenic. This shall lead to extreme overgrown in these traits and degradation of specie; and, eventually, to its extinction. That's how R. A. Fisher, greatest biologist after Darwin, describe this process, although with some flaws:

Consider, then, what happens when a clearly-marked pattern of bright feathers affords, in a certain species of birds, a fairly good index of natural superiority. A tendency to select those suitors in which the feature is best developed is then a profitable instinct for the female bird, and the taste for this "point" becomes firmly established among the female instincts. In order to examine the case more fully, let us suppose that the feature in question is in itself valueless, and only derives its importance from being associated with the general vigor and fitness of which it affords a rough. index. Continued sexual selection, while increasing the perfection of the feature itself, would probably decrease its value as an index, since its elaboration might be expected to divert vital energy from other channels. So long, however, as it remains to any extent associated with general well-being, so long will the taste for it on the part of the females grow more and more pronounced. Even if, in the course of time, it ceases to be any index of vitality whatever, the taste for it would continue to increase in strength, if it has already become strong, because although the offspring show no general superiority in the ordinary course of life, they retain their ascendancy in sexual selection, and have, therefore, a better chance of surviving; it is only when a feature has become so harmful as to overbalance this advantage that the taste for it among the females will have reached its maximum and will begin to diminish. We may, therefore, observe three phases in the history of a secondary sexual trait. In the first it is favored by natural selection, and being simple and easily apprehended as a "point," its advantage is slowly increased by the development of sexual selection in its favor; in the second phase it owes nothing to natural selection, which may even have turned against it, but it still increases in splendor and perfection, and the importance attached to it by the opposite sex still increases, so long as it retains a balance of advantage. Finally, perhaps, an equilibrium will be attained in which natural selection just balances sexual selection. [...]
Fisher's article „The evolution of sexual preference” in The Eugenics Review, p. 187, https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2987134/?p

Species that are living (or not, on what we shall focus later) proofs of his thesis are to be infinitely counted. There are few examples, however, that portray this law the best.

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The most obvious bastard of sexual selection dysgenicity is, what's clear, a peacock. Its tail, longer than the animal itself, made of flashy, bright leathers, alarming every nearby predator of easy pray, finally making difficult not even merely flying, but every movement can cause only rightful disgust and reflection upon it in observer. Similar feelings to this, for Fisher's main object of observation were birds, were undoubtedly what impelled him to give his discovery a scientific grounding. It's also to be noted that Darwin shared similar opinion; "The sight of a feather in a peacock’s tail, whenever I gaze at it, makes me feel sick", he said.



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Yet another victim of runaway effect is Babirussa. Its tusks are what the tails is in peacock, that is, are the trait which is selected for. As one can see, due to this their growth is so big, that they at first become useless, then finally impale the skull of the animal. Such a wonder of hypergamy!



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Next specie to be found most physically degenerated thanks to sexual selection is strap-toothed whale. Its tusks, like in babirussa, are caricaturally overgrown, but in other way; they're making it almost impossible for this beast to open its jaw.
Beaked whales show remarkable sexual dimorphism in that only the males retain functional teeth. Male strap-toothed beaked whales begin to develop a large flat tusk from each lower jaw as juveniles, growing at a 45° angle back towards the head and over the rostrum (beak). Reaching up to 34 cm in length,[6] the teeth may overlap at the tips, restricting the gape size of the animal. Two stranded adult male strap-toothed beaked whales were recorded as only being able to open their mouths 3.2 cm and 4 cm wide, compared to females and juveniles that had a gape size of 6.5 cm. It is thought male beaked whales use their teeth to compete for mating access to females, as evidenced by scars and scratches on the bodies of males. However it is unlikely the whale uses the whole tusk for such aggressive interactions, instead, it is probable that only a small denticle found upon the upper surface of the tooth is utilised.



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And crème de la crème of sexual selection, showing what's its final effect; species that got extinct because of it. Fisher, as we saw in his quote, argued that this mechanism will regulate itself at some point. However, modern sciences have shown that there in fact are kinds that extincted because of it, thus proving him wrong. Sexual selection is against natural selection.


Irish elk, one of the Pleistocene's biggest land mammals, got doomed because of its extravagant features, which were the result of hypergamy.
A once-popular hypothesized evolutionary mechanism was orthogenesis, in which change in organisms was due not to natural selection, but to internal directional trends within a lineage. The Irish elk was once considered a prime example of orthogenesis: it was thought that its lineage had started evolving on an irreversible trajectory towards larger and larger antlers. The Irish elk finally went extinct when the antlers became so large that the animals could no longer hold up their heads,or got entangled in the trees.

Although orthogenesis was a common evolutionary theory in the 19th and early20th centuries, it has since been abandoned for lack of a plausible mechanism.It is perfectly possible, however, to reconcile the huge antlers of Megaloceros with evolution by selection. Some paleontologists suggested that the enormous weaponry of the Irish elk served a defensive purpose,to kill predators and fight off rivals for mates. A more modern interpretation of the function of the antlers in the giant deer suggest that they were used for sexual displays, as they are in living deer. Some living deer use their antlers in ritualized combats at mating time, in which few individuals actually get hurt. It is possible that the Irish elk used its antlers in this way, but there is another possibility: The antlers of the Irish elk face forward, to show maximum area when the animal looks straight ahead. They may not have been used in combat at all, but simply served as visual signals during courtship. Whichever is the case, sexual selection is the most likely explanation for why the antlers of Megaloceros were so huge. The larger and stronger the antlers, the more successful in mating the male deer would be, and the more offspring he would have — offspring which could inherit parental genes for large antlers.
Source: https://ucmp.berkeley.edu/mammal/artio/irishelk.html



Finally, ostracoda depicted on the picture above is prime example of it. Blue area, taking one third of animal's body, is overgrown genitals. Because of this extreme dimorphism, in the past many kinds of this crustacea went extinct; modern ones are seemingly following their path.
Sexual selection often favours investment in expensive sexual traits that help individuals compete for mates. In a rapidly changing environment, however, allocation of resources to traits related to reproduction at the expense of those related to survival may elevate extinction risk. Empirical testing of this hypothesis in the fossil record, where extinction can be directly documented, is largely lacking. The rich fossil record of cytheroid ostracods offers a unique study system in this context: the male shell is systematically more elongate than that of females, and thus the sexes can be distinguished, even in fossils. Using mixture models to identify sex clusters from size and shape variables derived from the digitized valve outlines of adult ostracods, we estimated sexual dimorphism in ostracod species before and after the Cretaceous/Palaeogene mass extinction in the United States Coastal Plain. Across this boundary, we document a substantial shift in sexual dimorphism, driven largely by a pronounced decline in the taxa with dimorphism indicating both very high and very low male investment. The shift away from high male investment, which arises largely from evolutionary changes within genera that persist through the extinction, parallels extinction selectivity previously documented during the Late Cretaceous under a background extinction regime. Our results suggest that sexual selection and the allocation of resources towards survival versus reproduction may be an important factor for species extinction during both background and mass extinctions.
Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7482269/ (I cite abstract because it's not my goal to explain here smallest details to a reader, but to give him rather broad perspective.)



But — one could say — traits select for in these animals are particular and situation is different within our kind. I agree. It's truth that there's no singular trait in humans that foids desire as such. But it's the end of nuances; traits are always considered in relations to each other. So is a lenght of a leg in proportion to lenght of another leg, these are in proportion to hips, torso; these are to each other, etc. There's one proportion of human qualities, including proportions that include height and facial traits, considered the most attratictive. Every deviation from the ideal result in lower attractiveness. However, this ideal proportion can multiplie its attractivnes in eyes of femoids by incrasing actual numbers in its particular proportions. Therefore physical human traits as a whole are the same as peacock's tail. To make humans dysgenic, fragile-leged, unsupplied in blood giants, and ultimately to doom our kind – would be result of hyperamy.




Yet there's the soltion to this problem: rape, this philosophical stone, the panacea for cancer consuming humanity. By seizing means of reproduction, truecel reverse dysgenicity of hypergamy and implements eugenics. With his free will, man stops rot of his kind and negate femoids' want of its degeneracy. This negation of runaway effect is thus physical bettering of our kind.
 
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Howdy Cucktears :soy:
 
@Fat Link @SlayerSlayer
could you pin this? I made it out of annoyance for GrAYs spreading apology of hypergamy. Its presence in must read would, at least partially, solve this problem and trim defeatism here.
 
This is major cope.
 
I've given proofs supporting my thesis. Prove i'm wrong or bark like a rabid dog at them.
Saying attractiveness is a costly trait is as dumb as saying health or superior genes are costly traits. Its not comparable to your examples. We're also not barely cognisant animals enslaved to our environment. Women not reproducing with incels isn't what causes mankind to die out buddy (a cultural argument can be made but that's a seperate point).
 
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Saying attractiveness is a costly trait is as dumb as saying health or superior genes are costly traits
Again, why would attractiveness be superior? i've shown above that it's against natural selection. Chads are biologically inferior to truecels. Yet maybe you claim that tusks impaling one's skull is healthy?

Its not comparable to your examples
Why?

We're also not barely cognisant animals enslaved to our environment.
Femoids are; with shrinking genes quality in hypergamism, we would also become like this. Fortunately, specter of blackpillism is haunting Europe.

Women not reproducing with incels isn't what causes mankind to die out buddy (a cultural argument can be made but that's a seperate point).
Birthrates say otherwise. Countries in which hypergamism rules are going extinct.
 
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Again, why would attractiveness be superior? i've shown above that it's against natural selection. Chads are biologically inferior to truecels. Yet maybe you claim that tusks impaling one's skull is healthy?
Because attractive traits = health biomarkers

Good bone development, facial symmetry, good skin, good hormonal profile > recessed bones, assymetry, shit skin & shitty hormones. This is blackpill 101.

Humans dont have tusks thats why your comparison is retarded.

Whats gonna happen? Chads jaw becomes so big he cant move? Hunter eyes become so narrow he cant see? Be sensible. These examples in some dumb animal thats tuned to survive in a highly specific ecological niche doesnt apply to humans. We're broke out of constrained environmental pressure ages ago.

Why?


Femoids are; with shrinking genes quality in hypergamism, we would also become like this. Fortunately, specter of blackpillism is haunting Europe.


Birthrates say otherwise. Countries in which hypergamism rules are going extinct.

Thats mostly because of culture. You were making a biological case.
 
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There's for some reason a widespread belief that hypergamy is eugenic and seizing femoids is not. However, the order here is exactly opposite. Femoids' choces are ex definitione harmful not only for society, but also for a genepool. How, would you ask?

Due to Runaway Selection, mean of reproduction, when given freedom, will always select for traits which concentrations they're aiming for are dysgenic. This shall lead to extreme overgrown in these traits and degradation of specie; and, eventually, to its extinction. That's how R. A. Fisher, greatest biologist after Darwin, describe this process, although with some flaws:


Fisher's article „The evolution of sexual preference” in The Eugenics Review, p. 187, https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2987134/?p

Species that are living (or not, on what we shall focus later) proofs of his thesis are to be infinitely counted. There are few examples, however, that portray this law the best.

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The most obvious bastard of sexual selection dysgenicity is, what's clear, a peacock. Its tail, longer than the animal itself, made of flashy, bright leathers, alarming every nearby predator of easy pray, finally making difficult not even merely flying, but every movement can cause only rightful disgust and reflection upon it in observer. Similar feelings to this, for Fisher's main object of observation were birds, were undoubtedly what impelled him to give his discovery a scientific grounding. It's also to be noted that Darwin shared similar opinion; "The sight of a feather in a peacock’s tail, whenever I gaze at it, makes me feel sick", he said.



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Yet another victim of runaway effect is Babirussa. Its tusks are what the tails is in peacock, that is, are the trait which is selected for. As one can see, due to this their growth is so big, that they at first become useless, then finally impale the skull of the animal. Such a wonder of hypergamy!



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Next specie to be found most physically degenerated thanks to sexual selection is strap-toothed whale. Its tusks, like in babirussa, are caricaturally overgrown, but in other way; they're making it almost impossible for this beast to open its jaw.
Beaked whales show remarkable sexual dimorphism in that only the males retain functional teeth. Male strap-toothed beaked whales begin to develop a large flat tusk from each lower jaw as juveniles, growing at a 45° angle back towards the head and over the rostrum (beak). Reaching up to 34 cm in length,[6] the teeth may overlap at the tips, restricting the gape size of the animal. Two stranded adult male strap-toothed beaked whales were recorded as only being able to open their mouths 3.2 cm and 4 cm wide, compared to females and juveniles that had a gape size of 6.5 cm. It is thought male beaked whales use their teeth to compete for mating access to females, as evidenced by scars and scratches on the bodies of males. However it is unlikely the whale uses the whole tusk for such aggressive interactions, instead, it is probable that only a small denticle found upon the upper surface of the tooth is utilised.



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And crème de la crème of sexual selection, showing what's its final effect; species that got extinct because of it. Fisher, as we saw in his quote, argued that this mechanism will regulate itself at some point. However, modern sciences have shown that there in fact are kinds that extincted because of it, thus proving him wrong. Sexual selection is against natural selection.


Irish elk, one of the Pleistocene's biggest land mammals, got doomed because of its extravagant features, which were the result of hypergamy.

Source: https://ucmp.berkeley.edu/mammal/artio/irishelk.html



Finally, ostracoda depicted on the picture above is prime example of it. Blue area, taking one third of animal's body, is overgrown genitals. Because of this extreme dimorphism, in the past many kinds of this crustacea went extinct; modern ones are seemingly following their path.

Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7482269/ (I cite abstract because it's not my goal to explain here smallest details to a reader, but to give him rather broad perspective.)



But — one could say — traits select for in these animals are particular and situation is different within our kind. I agree. It's truth that there's no singular trait in humans that foids desire as such. But it's the end of nuances; traits are always considered in relations to each other. So is a lenght of a leg in proportion to lenght of another leg, these are in proportion to hips, torso; these are to each other, etc. There's one proportion of human qualities, including proportions that include height and facial traits, considered the most attratictive. Every deviation from the ideal result in lower attractiveness. However, this ideal proportion can multiplie its attractivnes in eyes of femoids by incrasing actual numbers in its particular proportions. Therefore physical human traits as a whole are the same as peacock's tail. To make humans dysgenic, fragile-leged, unsupplied in blood giants, and ultimately to doom our kind – would be result of hyperamy.




Yet there's the soltion to this problem: rape, this philosophical stone, the panacea for cancer consuming humanity. By seizing means of reproduction, truecel reverse dysgenicity of hypergamy and implements eugenics. With his free will, man stops rot of his kind and negate femoids' want of its degeneracy. This negation of runaway effect is thus physical bettering of our kind.
Both rape and hyoergamy selects for low iq tall ogres
Only monogamy for most men breeds civilisation
 
Because attractive traits = health biomarkers

Good bone development, facial symmetry, good skin, good hormonal profile > recessed bones, assymetry, shit skin & shitty hormones. This is blackpill 101.
just like peacocks's tail length = health biomaker. I literally proved otherwise above; you're either blind or mentally ill.

Humans dont have tusks thats why your comparison is retarded.
You're incapable of abstract thinking you shit eating maggot. Of course humans don't have this trait, but their traits selected for are equivalent of these tusks AS I SAID ABOVE:
But — one could say — traits select for in these animals are particular and situation is different within our kind. I agree. It's truth that there's no singular trait in humans that foids desire as such. But it's the end of nuances; traits are always considered in relations to each other. So is a lenght of a leg in proportion to lenght of another leg, these are in proportion to hips, torso; these are to each other, etc. There's one proportion of human qualities, including proportions that include height and facial traits, considered the most attratictive. Every deviation from the ideal result in lower attractiveness. However, this ideal proportion can multiple its attractivnes in eyes of femoids by incrasing actual numbers in its particular proportions. Therefore physical human traits as a whole are the same as peacock's tail. To make humans dysgenic, fragile-leged, unsupplied in blood giants, and ultimately to doom our kind – would be result of hyperamy.

Whats gonna happen? Chads jaw becomes so big he cant move? Hunter eyes become so narrow he cant see? Be sensible. These examples in some dumb animal thats tuned to survive in a highly specific ecological niche doesnt apply to humans. We're broke out of constrained environmental pressure ages ago.
Again and for the last time I answer you. Height eventually will become so extravagant that man will die by heart attack at 15 or body mass will eventually break man's legs at similar age, since their bones aren't capable of enduring such weights.

Also what specific niche does peacock occupy to arise need for such a long tail? You're plain retarded.

Thats mostly because of culture. You were making a biological case.
Culture doesn't apply to femoids since they're mindless animals without free will, thus you're wrong.
 
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water, if u allow foids to have the sexual choice they are gonna bring us to extinction!

i don t view it for humans as the same in the animals case, unless maybe we become too tall to be able to live etc,etc but because the foids demands are gonna grow every year until they bring us to extinction

just like st hamudi said, today it s 6ft, in 2035 it s gonna be 7ft the demand from a foid, until extinction

or the case of south korea, foids s demands are so big that they are gonna bring their extinction
today s chad, is tomorrow s ltn
 
water, if u allow foids to have the sexual choice they are gonna bring us to extinction!

i don t view it for humans as the same in the animals case, unless maybe we become too tall to be able to live etc,etc but because the foids demands are gonna grow every year until they bring us to extinction

just like st hamudi said, today it s 6ft, in 2035 it s gonna be 7ft the demand from a foid, until extinction

or the case of south korea, foids s demands are so big that they are gonna bring their extinction
today s chad, is tomorrow s ltn
Indeed. These who cope eventually everyone will become chad are convinced by cheap sophistry. Backbone of hypergamy is inequality.
 
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just like peacocks's tail length = health biomaker. I literally proved otherwise above; you're either blind or mentally ill.
Wrong again. A peacocks tail is an ornament. It has nothing to do with health apart from maybe correlation. Bone development actually is an expression of health.
You're incapable of abstract thinking you shit eating maggot. Of course humans don't have this trait, but their traits selected for are equivalent of these tusks AS I SAID ABOVE:
Except you're comparing apples to oranges. A unidirectional trait vs the entire concept of "attractiveness" lmao. All organisms prefer attractive (read fit) members of their species. This is why its retarded to say women preferring fitter men is to their detriment. They're prefering the entire package not just one weirdly specific trait.
Again and for the last time I answer you. Height eventually will become so extravagant that man will die by heart attack at 15 or body mass will eventually break man's legs at similar age, since their bones aren't capable of enduring such weights.
This is gigacope. Women don't want ridiculous tallfags. They want guys in the 6ft to 6'4 range with attractive faces. Either way in such a ridiculous scenario you could say humans evolve structural adaptations like elephants and giraffes did to deal with the stress. Or, whats more likely, technology is used to recalibrate maladaptiveness. Its hilarious you struggle to entertain these possibilities because you're stuck thinking in autistic one-dimensional terms.
Also what specific niche does peacock occupy to arise need for such a long tail? You're plain retarded.
Natural selection isnt about needs its about how organisms adapted for better or for worse. The wider point is peacocks have predators. Humans dont. Boars have outgrowths capable of harming them. We dont.
Culture doesn't apply to femoids since they're mindless animals without free will, thus you're wrong.
Culturally, humans will reproduce through ectogenesis in the future with all their traits finely tuned so it doesn't matter how whorish women are.
 
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Wrong again. A peacocks tail is an ornament. It has nothing to do with health apart from maybe correlation. Bone development actually is an expression of health.
Except you're comparing apples to oranges. A unidirectional trait vs the entire concept of "attractiveness" lmao. All organisms prefer attractive (read fit) members of their species. This is why its retarded to say women preferring fitter men is to their detriment. They're prefering the entire package not just one weirdly specific trait.
You literally got proven wrong; you think that with common sense you can deny it, but you're simply ridiculing yourself. You didn't even read what I wrote in thread.
What is even the entire package? You use words meaning nothing at all and think you can continue dispute with your sophistry. All of traits universally desired by femoids ARE exactly like peacock's tail.

All organisms prefer attractive (read fit) members of their species.
Fisher proven EXACTLY the opposite, What I wrote above but you probably didn't read. But indeed, your common sense, mutt scum, knows better.

A peacocks tail is an ornament. It has nothing to do with health apart from maybe correlation. Bone development actually is an expression of health
Bone development further than truecel bones is ornament. It doesn't differ from babirussa's tusks development. You claim these are not health indicators, but suddenly bones in human are. You're plainly wrong. Also EX DEFINITIONE it is the ornament because it's selected for, what Fisher has proven.

This is gigacope. Women don't want ridiculous tallfags. They want guys in the 6ft to 6'4 range with attractive faces.
They want. By denying it you deny blackpill and should be banned.


Either way in such a ridiculous scenario you could say humans evolve structural adaptations like elephants and giraffes did to deal with the stress. Or, whats more likely, technology is used to recalibrate maladaptiveness
You're mentally ill. I didn't wrote a word about stress, but about leg bones that aren't capable of it. There's no technology to, for example, keep a whale thrown on a beach alive, because gravity will do the work and kill it.


Its hilarious you struggle to entertain these possibilities because you're stuck thinking in autistic one-dimensional terms.
Indeed mutt, you can deny what I PROVEN by making up scenarios your dopamine rotten brain can shit out. From necessity I'm right.

You mutts always want to be individualistic and argue just for arguing, simply to shock everyone with your originality. Anglo brain cannot understand universal truth, I suppose. Sophistry is its element.


Natural selection isnt about needs its about how organisms adapted for better or for worse
It exactly is. You don't know basic definition and still want to argue with flashy words against concrete proofs.

The wider point is peacocks have predators. Humans dont. Boars have outgrowths capable of harming them. We dont.
I discussed this point above, but anglo dogs aren't, I suppose, capable of memorizing, so I will quote it below:
Again and for the last time I answer you. Height eventually will become so extravagant that man will die by heart attack at 15 or body mass will eventually break man's legs at similar age, since their bones aren't capable of enduring such weights.

Culturally, humans will reproduce through ectogenesis in the future with all their traits finely tuned so it doesn't matter how whorish women are.
:forcedsmile: that shows who I've been discussing for entire time. You invent fictional scenarios just do deny universal truth I proven. Discussion with you is thus infertile.
 
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You literally got proven wrong; you think that with common sense you can deny it, but you're simply ridiculing yourself. You didn't even read what I wrote in thread.
What is even the entire package? You use words meaning nothing at all and think you can continue dispute with your sophistry. All of traits universally desired by femoids ARE exactly like peacock's tail.
Entire package = healthy genes expressed through but not exclusive to attractive traits.
All organisms prefer attractive (read fit) members of their species.
Fisher proven EXACTLY the opposite, What I wrote above but you probably didn't read. But indeed, your common sense, mutt scum, knows better.
Those peacocks are fitter than their less endowed counterparts because they reproduce and spread their genes. Survival isnt the only factor in NS. Another counterpoint is peacocks only suffer moderate predation and given the boon they recieve in health (stronger immune system, better nutrional correlates) it can be argued their slight disadvantage by cumbersome ornaments is prevailed over by everything else. You're making a post hoc rationalisation and assuming peacocks would be better off without those feathers which is the same as an argument from silence.

Peacock populations are actually thriving even when you factor out direct human intervention. But suppose we take your argument at face value; every other species selects for fitness (attractiveness). Appealing to one or two exceptions changes nothing.
A peacocks tail is an ornament. It has nothing to do with health apart from maybe correlation. Bone development actually is an expression of health
Bone development further than truecel bones is ornament. It doesn't differ from babirussa's tusks development. You claim these are not health indicators, but suddenly bones in human are. You're plainly wrong. Also EX DEFINITIONE it is the ornament because it's selected for, what Fisher has proven.
Tusks aren't bones. They're teeth.
They want. By denying it you deny blackpill and should be banned.
The guy coping that ugly people are genetically superior to good looking people is casting aspersions about my commitment to blackpill. You couldn't make it up :feelskek:
You're mentally ill. I didn't wrote a word about stress, but about leg bones that aren't capable of it. There's no technology to, for example, keep a whale thrown on a beach alive, because gravity will do the work and kill it.
Stress as in mechanical stress. You're not even familiar with basic terms of the topic. We already have gene editing. Your knowledge of human endeavours is stuck in prehistoric times alongside your delusion that we're still subject to hard and fast NS rules.
:forcedsmile: that shows who I've been discussing for entire time. You invent fictional scenarios just do deny universal truth I proven. Discussion with you is thus infertile.

I'm not arguing for the sake of it. Plenty of people spout wrong information and I dont gadfly about it. Like most people i dont care. The problem is you're pushing bluepilled ideas and using resistance to self defeatism as a smokescreen.

Anyway I'm done with this since you have no interest in good faith argument.
 
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Entire package = healthy genes expressed through but not exclusive to attractive traits.
They choose exclusively attractive traits, since it is what attraction is, but choose also not attractive traits. Indeed good reasoning.


Those peacocks are fitter than their less endowed counterparts because they reproduce and spread their genes. Survival isnt the only factor in NS. Another counterpoint is peacocks only suffer moderate predation and given the boon they recieve in health (stronger immune system, better nutrional correlates) it can be argued their slight disadvantage by cumbersome ornaments is prevailed over by everything else. You're making a post hoc rationalisation and assuming peacocks would be better off without those feathers which is the same as an argument from silence.
Yes, they would be better without such ornaments. Your slight disadvantages bring species to extinction. And my assumption, like you named it, post hoc is necessary if we assume existence of phenomonena at all, since causality is a thing there.


Peacock populations are actually thriving even when you factor out direct human intervention. But suppose we take your argument at face value; every other species selects for fitness (attractiveness). Appealing to one or two exceptions changes nothing.
Every specie wherein females are allowed to choose mate are dysgenic. Kinds that can seize means of reproductions, as humans, prosper better. Every first specie will doom itself, of course longing doom of its newly created subspecies in infinitum, and later - survive.

Tusks aren't bones. They're teeth.
:feelskek::feelskek: and what are teeth?


The guy coping that ugly people are genetically superior to good looking people is casting aspersions about my commitment to blackpill. You couldn't make it up :feelskek:
To believe in this is cuckoldry and opposition of blackpill. Even incelwiki notice this: https://incels.wiki/w/Fisherian_runaway


Stress as in mechanical stress. You're not even familiar with basic terms of the topic. We already have gene editing. Your knowledge of human endeavours is stuck in prehistoric times alongside your delusion that we're still subject to hard and fast NS rules.
I say if we are to imply eugenics, it can be only done through rape. Of course you can dream of unsure technologies, but it doesn't change that hypergamy is dysgenic and rape is eugenic. These technologies of yours will work only to certain point; and hypergamy, if allowed, shall reach moment when doom of kind is certain.


I'm not arguing for the sake of it. Plenty of people spout wrong information and I dont gadfly about it. Like most people i dont care. The problem is you're pushing bluepilled ideas and using resistance to self defeatism as a smokescreen
Again, you push your common sense as counterargument against objective, proven truth and argue it's blackpill. There's no reason to respond to your barking anymore.

@pedrolopezwasright look at this cuck in the wild :feelskek:
 
They choose exclusively attractive traits, since it is what attraction is, but choose also not attractive traits. Indeed good reasoning.



Yes, they would be better without such ornaments. Your slight disadvantages bring species to extinction. And my assumption, like you named it, post hoc is necessary if we assume existence of phenomonena at all, since causality is a thing there.
Peacocks are thriving so this refutes both your points. It seems "causality" doesn’t apply to them. Your argument boils down to some whale died out because one among possibly dozens of reasons contributed to its demise therefore this will absolutely happen to humans because humans are dumb as whales and this very specific feature is comparable to every biologically fit feature in humans.
Every specie wherein females are allowed to choose mate are dysgenic. Kinds that can seize means of reproductions, as humans, prosper better. Every first specie will doom itself, of course longing doom of its newly created subspecies in infinitum, and later - survive.


:feelskek::feelskek: and what are teeth?
They're not bones. Google it. This is genuinely embarrassing.

I say if we are to imply eugenics, it can be only done through rape. Of course you can dream of unsure technologies, but it doesn't change that hypergamy is dysgenic and rape is eugenic.
Rape only leads to reproductive success within groups but not between groups. Its actually dysgenic in the long run.
Again, you push your common sense as counterargument against objective, proven truth and argue it's blackpill. There's no reason to respond to your barking anymore.

@pedrolopezwasright look at this cuck in the wild :feelskek:
There's a reason the blackpill has to be swallowed but this will go over your smooth brain.
 
Peacocks are thriving so this refutes both your points. It seems "causality" doesn’t apply to them. Your argument boils down to some whale died out because one among possibly dozens of reasons contributed to its demise therefore this will absolutely happen to humans because humans are dumb as whales and this very specific feature is comparable to every biologically fit feature in humans.
They aren't thriving; even if they are, it's temporal. And humans under hypergamism indeed will become like them. Every feature selected for shall become extravagant, since it's simply result of this selection - its eternal growth.
The article on ostracoda i cited show exact link between sexual selection and extinction. But be free to ignore this.


Rape only leads to reproductive success within groups but not between groups. Its actually dysgenic in the long run.
Mongols, Huns, Timurids, Turks and others prove you wrong. It's not only successful, but also eugenic.

There's a reason the blackpill has to be swallowed but this will go over your smooth brain.
You're not blackpilled, but a cuck. Defeatist, bluepilled scum.
 
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They aren't thriving; even if they are, it's temporal. And humans under hypergamism indeed will become like them. Every feature selected for shall become extravagant, since it's simply result of this selection - it's eternal growth.
The article on ostracoda i cited show exact link between sexual selection and extinction. But be free to ignore this.
Wrong, their population is growing at a stable rate. "Its only temporary" isn't an argument. Evolution isn't exponential. Its limited largely by your genome. Your article assumed a cause. It didn't prove one. Counterfactuals aren't proof.
Mongols, Huns, Timurids, Turks and others prove you wrong. It's not only successful, but also eugenic.
They have very tiny populations compared to people who didn't primarily reproduce through rape. So this actually supports my argument.
You're not blackpilled but cuck.
You're boasting that you're more attractive than chad.
 
Wrong, their population is growing at a stable rate. "Its only temporary" isn't an argument. Evolution isn't exponential. Its limited largely by your genome. Your article assumed a cause. It didn't prove one. Counterfactuals aren't proof.
In your reasoning there's no correlation between stabbing and bleed. Of course causality cannot be proven. But also phenomenons as such cannot be proven to be real. If we're to take phenomenons, and not merely noumnons, as real, from necessity causality needs to be taken as real. And cause pointed by me and 2 prior articles is very clear and certain.

They have very tiny populations compared to people who didn't rape. So this actually supports my argument.
Countries under hypergamism are dying. Africa is not, same for some middle eastern states. They don't yet have massive populations because of high newborn mortality. If given proper technology, they shall have them.


You're boasting that you're more attractive than chad.
I'm not. I say truecel is superior to chad on biological level and it's undeniable fact. Attraction is aimed towards inferior; that's what I'm saying.
 
Wrong, their population is growing at a stable rate. "Its only temporary" isn't an argument. Evolution isn't exponential. Its limited largely by your genome. Your article assumed a cause. It didn't prove one. Counterfactuals aren't proof.

They have very tiny populations compared to people who didn't primarily reproduce through rape. So this actually supports my argument.

You're boasting that you're more attractive than chad.
Could you explain in which way height could be considered health marker? There is a proven negative correlation between height and longevity, and there is a positive correlation between reduced risk of depression and suicide (both of which would certainly impact the data); Still the risk of premature death is shown to be reduced. Secondly your argument about potential height range of (6 ft - 6 ft 4) to which women are supposedly are attracted the most is wrong. Women are considerably attracted to overgrown people and this couldn't be explained by better health indicators since former argument stands. And I can understand where are you coming from, health indicators = attractivness model might seem logical for the human kind, but almost every single health indicator we are talking about should either be in homeostasis (hormones), skin health for example is logically largely correlated with genetics, but its very hard to be selective about skin genetics don't you think? runaway effect, at least in my opinion has a lot more simple correlation than something like 5a reductase overactivity induced acne or baldness, which would considerably explain everything. To put it simply, women chose hypermasculine by any means person with overly active 5a reductase underactive aromastase and extreme GH production, it would simply induce male trait, but it will also massively induce risk of baldness, which would by itself make these men less attractive. Therefore health no counting extreme condition/skin diseases etc. does not show considerable correlation with attractivness. Height past 6 ft 3+ is indeed suboptimal for survival, my friend who is 6 ft 4 literally told me that his legs were hurting like crazy in youth and tall people also have induced risk of knee, spine, cardiovascular problems. Again we can easily find extremely unhealthy but very attractive people, Richard Ramirez is a good example.
 
Could you explain in which way height could be considered health marker? There is a proven negative correlation between height and longevity, and there is a positive correlation between reduced risk of depression and suicide (both of which would certainly impact the data); Still the risk of premature death is shown to be reduced. Secondly your argument about potential height range of (6 ft - 6 ft 4) to which women are supposedly are attracted the most is wrong. Women are considerably attracted to overgrown people and this couldn't be explained by better health indicators since former argument stands. And I can understand where are you coming from, health indicators = attractivness model might seem logical for the human kind, but almost every single health indicator we are talking about should either be in homeostasis (hormones), skin health for example is logically largely correlated with genetics, but its very hard to be selective about skin genetics don't you think? runaway effect, at least in my opinion has a lot more simple correlation than something like 5a reductase overactivity induced acne or baldness, which would considerably explain everything. To put it simply, women chose hypermasculine by any means person with overly active 5a reductase underactive aromastase and extreme GH production, it would simply induce male trait, but it will also massively induce risk of baldness, which would by itself make these men less attractive. Therefore health no counting extreme condition/skin diseases etc. does not show considerable correlation with attractivness. Height past 6 ft 3+ is indeed suboptimal for survival, my friend who is 6 ft 4 literally told me that his legs were hurting like crazy in youth and tall people also have induced risk of knee, spine, cardiovascular problems. Again we can easily find extremely unhealthy but very attractive people, Richard Ramirez is a good example.
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Could you explain in which way height could be considered health marker? There is a proven negative correlation between height and longevity, and there is a positive correlation between reduced risk of depression and suicide (both of which would certainly impact the data); Still the risk of premature death is shown to be reduced. Secondly your argument about potential height range of (6 ft - 6 ft 4) to which women are supposedly are attracted the most is wrong. Women are considerably attracted to overgrown people and this couldn't be explained by better health indicators since former argument stands. And I can understand where are you coming from, health indicators = attractivness model might seem logical for the human kind, but almost every single health indicator we are talking about should either be in homeostasis (hormones), skin health for example is logically largely correlated with genetics, but its very hard to be selective about skin genetics don't you think? runaway effect, at least in my opinion has a lot more simple correlation than something like 5a reductase overactivity induced acne or baldness, which would considerably explain everything. To put it simply, women chose hypermasculine by any means person with overly active 5a reductase underactive aromastase and extreme GH production, it would simply induce male trait, but it will also massively induce risk of baldness, which would by itself make these men less attractive. Therefore health no counting extreme condition/skin diseases etc. does not show considerable correlation with attractivness. Height past 6 ft 3+ is indeed suboptimal for survival, my friend who is 6 ft 4 literally told me that his legs were hurting like crazy in youth and tall people also have induced risk of knee, spine, cardiovascular problems. Again we can easily find extremely unhealthy but very attractive people, Richard Ramirez is a good example.
Ramirez had good genes. In other words his face signalled health. His lifestyle didn't but thats another reason why its dumb to impute hard and fast NS mechanisms to humans. Height in and of itself isn't a biomarker. We're talking about attractiveness as a package, height being one component.

The negative effects also are minimal and offset by all the benefits that it correlates: better nutrition, better socioeconomic conditions, and in the case of chads - all the other accompanying genetic qualities. There are also studies that link suicidial ideation to shorter men. None of these are causal and are very narrow in scope.

If we're being sensible the ugly incel is more suicidal and depressed than a tall chad. This is basic blackpill stuff you and your friend dont want to accept.

You also brought up two copes - tallfag cope and masc cope. None of these are born out in womens choices. Thats not to say tallfags and masc copers dont get mates. But they're not the phenotype hypergamy is tending towards (if OPs model is taken for granted). Women will choose a more attractive but shorter guy (up to a certain threshold) than a less attractive tallfag. Face > height. This is again pretty much accepted across the blackpillsphere.

I dont know why you chose to hone in on skin quality in particular. Good skin correlates with good genes overall. Having a good hormonal profile - among other factors - leads to optimal bone growth resulting in chad. Which is the point you guys dont seem to get. Attractiveness is the result of better genes.


In your reasoning there's no correlation between stabbing and bleed. Of course causality cannot be proven. But also phenomenons as such cannot be proven to be real. If we're to take phenomenons, and not merely noumnons, as real, from necessity causality needs to be taken as real. And cause pointed by me and 2 prior articles is very clear and certain.


Countries under hypergamism are dying. Africa is not, same for some middle eastern states. They don't yet have massive populations because of high newborn mortality. If given proper technology, they shall have them.
There's a correlation between large peacock trains and increased predation but that’s still not stopping peacock populations from growing naturally. Functionally then its not a serious impediment to survival or reproductive success.

Japan is a non hypergamous country thats dying out faster than every other. Once you reach a certain level of development having children becomes disadvantageous to your lifestyle. Thats what we see playing out in the west. The average person can still find a relationship they just don't want children.
I'm not. I say truecel is superior to chad on biological level and it's undeniable fact. Attraction is aimed towards inferior; that's what I'm saying.
This is what we call gigacope. Being a balding recessed manlet with autism isn't biological superiority. Time to swallow the blackpill :feelskek:
 
Ramirez had good genes. In other words his face signalled health. His lifestyle didn't but thats another reason why its dumb to impute hard and fast NS mechanisms to humans. Height in and of itself isn't a biomarker. We're talking about attractiveness as a package, height being one component.
If your model of attractivness doesn't account for health later than upon birth then its very telling. He started hardcore drugs during development. According to this theory he would have been the biggest subhuman ever, but seems like his attractivness changed only in terms of skin (good example of attractive health indicator, but its largely dependent on a lifestyle than genetics). Past certain baseline, and thats my main idea you basically can't be more healthy, its absurd. Difference between Matt Bomer and some random chadlite in terms of rating is very statistically significant. But you can't say that he is more attractive than average chadlite because more healthy, at this point it sounds like cope (just be more healthy bro). Also we don't really see attractive people among those who lived longer, actually they mostly reflect my hypothesis (average, maybe not subhuman but average looks and top tier health).
The negative effects also are minimal and offset by all the benefits that it correlates: better nutrition, better socioeconomic conditions
I don't think such correlation is possible, good nutrition was largely overshadowed by the ability of a mate to survive longer and be more flexible and capable. Again nutritional difference between 180 cm man and 190 cm man are mostly basically zero, its the matter of purely genetics (therefore doesn't signal health in any way, often quite opposite). And don't forget that women are very often attracted to basically pathologically tall man, i unironically saw foids glazing Robert Wadlow.
You also brought up two copes - tallfag cope and masc cope. None of these are born out in womens choices. Thats not to say tallfags and masc copers dont get mates. But they're not the phenotype hypergamy is tending towards (if OPs model is taken for granted). Women will choose a more attractive but shorter guy (up to a certain threshold) than a less attractive tallfag. Face > height. This is again pretty much accepted across the blackpillsphere.
I never claimed height > face theory, but womens preferences are clear.
This is what we call gigacope. Being a balding recessed manlet with autism isn't biological superiority. Time to swallow the blackpill
Balding not being a serious health issue is a telling sign too. Because despite not being very reliable health indicator it reduces attractivness by a very large margin (barely anyone can be above htn while bald)
This is what we call gigacope. Being a balding recessed manlet with autism isn't biological superiority. Time to swallow the blackpill
ND isn't in any way health indicator either, pragmatically it actually would increase chances for survival.
 
If your model of attractivness doesn't account for health later than upon birth then its very telling. He started hardcore drugs during development. According to this theory he would have been the biggest subhuman ever, but seems like his attractivness changed only in terms of skin (good example of attractive health indicator, but its largely dependent on a lifestyle than genetics). Past certain baseline, and thats my main idea you basically can't be more healthy, its absurd. Difference between Matt Bomer and some random chadlite in terms of rating is very statistically significant. But you can't say that he is more attractive than average chadlite because more healthy, at this point it sounds like cope (just be more healthy bro).
You don't seem to understand better overall health correlates to good genes but isnt imited to it. Obviously lifestyle choices effect outcomes but thats not what we're discussing.

Also we don't really see attractive people among those who lived longer, actually they mostly reflect my hypothesis (average, maybe not subhuman but average looks and top tier health).
Thats more a indication of the state of the sexual market than anything I've been saying. You're essentially telling OP he's wrong and that women aren't prioritizing hypergamous matches for reproduction.
I don't think such correlation is possible, good nutrition was largely overshadowed by the ability of a mate to survive longer and be more flexible and capable.
Not in civilized humans. A good diet contributes to longevity. How things were eons ago is irrelevant.
Again nutritional difference between 180 cm man and 190 cm man are mostly basically zero, its the matter of purely genetics (therefore doesn't signal health in any way, often quite opposite). And don't forget that women are very often attracted to basically pathologically tall man, i unironically saw foids glazing Robert Wadlow.
Height more often than not signals good socioeconomic background which tends to come with better nutrition. We see this within social classes and on a grander scale in ethnic groups such as asians getting taller as living standards rise. It's not directly tied to health but i wasn't considering height in isolation to begin with.
I never claimed height > face theory, but womens preferences are clear.
Yes face > height
Balding not being a serious health issue is a telling sign too. Because despite not being very reliable health indicator it reduces attractivness by a very large margin (barely anyone can be above htn while bald)
The thing about balding is it makes you look older which ties into womens perception of your overall genetic health.
ND isn't in any way health indicator either, pragmatically it actually would increase chances for survival.
Human survival outside of social groups isn't possible on a meaningful scale so I disagree.
 
You don't seem to understand better overall health correlates to good genes but isnt imited to it. Obviously lifestyle choices effect outcomes but thats not what we're discussing.


Thats more a indication of the state of the sexual market than anything I've been saying. You're essentially telling OP he's wrong and that women aren't prioritizing hypergamous matches for reproduction.

Not in civilized humans. A good diet contributes to longevity. How things were eons ago is irrelevant.

Height more often than not signals good socioeconomic background which tends to come with better nutrition. We see this within social classes and on a grander scale in ethnic groups such as asians getting taller as living standards rise. It's not directly tied to health but i wasn't considering height in isolation to begin with.

Yes face > height

The thing about balding is it makes you look older which ties into womens perception of your overall genetic health.

Human survival outside of social groups isn't possible on a meaningful scale so I disagree.
Applying natural selection to the modern society was already proven as wrong Sexual selection however is a different thing
 
Rape is eugenic because if a woman is raped and killed it's because she was weak or stupid enough to allow herself to be raped.
 
Rape is eugenic because if a woman is raped and killed it's because she was weak or stupid enough to allow herself to be raped.
It's eugenic because it puts control in human hands over the hands of foids. Fuck all that "health indicator" bs, shit's coincidental, correlated, and convenient at best, otherwise, there'd be no such things as non-white (and therefore non-chad) races in the first place. OP is based and correct, we have too many self-haters who wanna just praise and celebrate their own suffering (they revel like cucks at the thought of chad getting foids while they watch).
 
It's eugenic because it puts control in human hands over the hands of foids. Fuck all that "health indicator" bs, shit's coincidental, correlated, and convenient at best, otherwise, there'd be no such things as non-white (and therefore non-chad) races in the first place. OP is based and correct, we have too many self-haters who wanna just praise and celebrate their own suffering (they revel like cucks at the thought of chad getting foids while they watch).
Society: "hate the sin, love the sinner"
Rapists: *rapes*
Society: I hate you
 
Well argued. I have seen very tall negros have this issue. Black negresses select for taller and taller men, and these men have basically 0 IQ. They are all producing dozens of negro kids, all of whom are tall with 0 IQ. This has led to the downfall of the negro breed.

They were better off during segregation, when domestic violence and rape was basically the norm in the negro community. Back then, negros had stable families and well-behaved kids.
 
Society: "hate the sin, love the sinner"
Rapists: *rapes*
Society: I hate you
Hypergamists would moan about no objective morality and then condemn seizing means of reproduction.
 
It's eugenic because it puts control in human hands over the hands of foids. Fuck all that "health indicator" bs, shit's coincidental, correlated, and convenient at best, otherwise, there'd be no such things as non-white (and therefore non-chad) races in the first place. OP is based and correct, we have too many self-haters who wanna just praise and celebrate their own suffering (they revel like cucks at the thought of chad getting foids while they watch).
Indeed. Defeatists and moderates are a plague which needs to be cured.
 

Rape is eugenic, hypergamy is dysgenic [studies]​

 
I will bump this thread until it ends in mustreads.
 
and faggots think female eugenics is positive
 
nigga posted a entire museum
 

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