
svgmn1
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AI services just stopped trying to mask being globohomo machines at this point.
Here's a couple of notable scenarios based on my personal experience:
Scenario 1: Transitioning from win11 to linux
The gnu/linux OSes of my choice (1st manjaro, 2nd fedora) neither is obscure or proprietary, detail and documentation of both of these OSes should be impeccable, this services like chatgpt, gemini and deepseek should have absolutely no problem providing solutions for any error that could happen on these OSes, which happen to be way smaller and less layered than a huge os like windows.
In real practice however the outcome was the complete oppisite of what was expected, chatbots did more harm to my manjaro setup which forced me to migrate to fedora, which is a great os out of the ox since these chatbots can't help with anything that isn't out of the box experience, and that was just me trying to add selinux and secureboot to my manjaro, now imagine if someone actually wanted to install something nightmarish like alpine or LFS on his machine or those bare diy distros like gentoo and thought AI would help, take a moment and think.
Despite all these chatbots being promted over and over to keep my system details, directories and paths used in mind they would still insist on giving codes that don't include the paths I initialized in the session, that leaves user prompt and misuse as a scapegoat to defend these services out of the equation, these problems however point to two possible major flaws in the process:
1-the services being extremely conservative on the compute they do, prioritizing queue demand and satisfying load over accuracy and depth.
2-the service providers stopped even trying on the nn algorithm and now it just copypastes everything it finds on the internet even when search functions are disabled (this is extremely dangerous to the end user)
Scenario 2: AI failing horribly to set up something
I installed vscode on linux, android studio, the rest of the things people use to program on linux.
I tried setting vs code to run and debug multiple files instead of only one (yes, the linux alternative for vs pro is an IDE that is nearly as big in size but can only work one file a time lmao) and failed to do so.
chatgpt, gemini and deepseek have been repeating the same useless half assed suggested solutions for two days, edit launch and tasks configs, add extensions and try.
the problem is all these solutions are incorrect, some of them are just readily availabe info on the web, some of them are first to do or to think of stuff from a user's perspective, before they suggested me the config edits, I have already installed the extenstions, dependencies and set the correct orders because I already expected these llms to give simple answers,
this really begs the question: how tf do people use these things for programming if it fails horribly in helping even for something like setting up an IDE environment?
what's the purpose of using AI for programming? if I had to make an analogy, it would be that ai would act like your terrible school/college programming teacher, who will make you hate programming altogether because his method of teaching is severly flawed, I think based on my experience no ai can currently help you in ACTUAL programming they're far away from that, what ai will do is be like your teacher or just an integerated search engine window in your environment (e.g. blackbox, copilot)
none of these bullshit ais will be able to do something like virtualizing multithreading on a stsc machine or anything complex or helpful.
you're wasting your fucking time and money
the time you spend on writing a good prompt and further trials and investigating with the ai to reach the desired solution would more likely be greater than searching for it yourself.
Yet another rant about linux
this is for anyone who participates in perpetuating the idea that linux = programming
linux is arguably the least programmer friendly environment, ironically the most friendly environment is...osx
in osx you get a chance to develope for all environments, windows (VS pro) and apple platforms, in windows, you have vs pro
vs pro is like the f16 of ides and programming, it is huge, it is slow, however it is the most programmer friendly and the most complete IDE in existence, everything you can think of already exists in vs pro
in linux, the alternatives to vs pro are vs code.
after wasting your time installing vs code, you will find that it is not even worthy to be considered a half assed version of vs pro, and its even worse when you realize that it is actually one of the biggest IDEs for linux environments.
you go on reddit or 4chan to see linux users giving justifications to cope with their reality, you would see them suggesting things like vcodium clion
which is just hillarious, it's like someone trying to buy a corolla and people tell him "why don't you buy a bicycle instead?" and this is the case for nearly everything, I unironically agree with terry davis, not for his cucked "bare" philosophy (which is just an excuse for inability and lack of realisticism) but for his disdain for opensource, the concept of opensource goes against the end user. the internet has manifested this critically wrong idea that open source = better because "muh privacy" when it's really just about accessable code, and sadly everyone believes it now.
"Instead of wasting your time distrohopping try to code"
in which im failing at now and realized that I have a much better shot of doing this on another os. defeats the whole purpose huh?
Here's a couple of notable scenarios based on my personal experience:
Scenario 1: Transitioning from win11 to linux
The gnu/linux OSes of my choice (1st manjaro, 2nd fedora) neither is obscure or proprietary, detail and documentation of both of these OSes should be impeccable, this services like chatgpt, gemini and deepseek should have absolutely no problem providing solutions for any error that could happen on these OSes, which happen to be way smaller and less layered than a huge os like windows.
In real practice however the outcome was the complete oppisite of what was expected, chatbots did more harm to my manjaro setup which forced me to migrate to fedora, which is a great os out of the ox since these chatbots can't help with anything that isn't out of the box experience, and that was just me trying to add selinux and secureboot to my manjaro, now imagine if someone actually wanted to install something nightmarish like alpine or LFS on his machine or those bare diy distros like gentoo and thought AI would help, take a moment and think.
Despite all these chatbots being promted over and over to keep my system details, directories and paths used in mind they would still insist on giving codes that don't include the paths I initialized in the session, that leaves user prompt and misuse as a scapegoat to defend these services out of the equation, these problems however point to two possible major flaws in the process:
1-the services being extremely conservative on the compute they do, prioritizing queue demand and satisfying load over accuracy and depth.
2-the service providers stopped even trying on the nn algorithm and now it just copypastes everything it finds on the internet even when search functions are disabled (this is extremely dangerous to the end user)
Scenario 2: AI failing horribly to set up something
I installed vscode on linux, android studio, the rest of the things people use to program on linux.
I tried setting vs code to run and debug multiple files instead of only one (yes, the linux alternative for vs pro is an IDE that is nearly as big in size but can only work one file a time lmao) and failed to do so.
chatgpt, gemini and deepseek have been repeating the same useless half assed suggested solutions for two days, edit launch and tasks configs, add extensions and try.
the problem is all these solutions are incorrect, some of them are just readily availabe info on the web, some of them are first to do or to think of stuff from a user's perspective, before they suggested me the config edits, I have already installed the extenstions, dependencies and set the correct orders because I already expected these llms to give simple answers,
this really begs the question: how tf do people use these things for programming if it fails horribly in helping even for something like setting up an IDE environment?
what's the purpose of using AI for programming? if I had to make an analogy, it would be that ai would act like your terrible school/college programming teacher, who will make you hate programming altogether because his method of teaching is severly flawed, I think based on my experience no ai can currently help you in ACTUAL programming they're far away from that, what ai will do is be like your teacher or just an integerated search engine window in your environment (e.g. blackbox, copilot)
none of these bullshit ais will be able to do something like virtualizing multithreading on a stsc machine or anything complex or helpful.
you're wasting your fucking time and money
the time you spend on writing a good prompt and further trials and investigating with the ai to reach the desired solution would more likely be greater than searching for it yourself.
Yet another rant about linux
this is for anyone who participates in perpetuating the idea that linux = programming
linux is arguably the least programmer friendly environment, ironically the most friendly environment is...osx
in osx you get a chance to develope for all environments, windows (VS pro) and apple platforms, in windows, you have vs pro
vs pro is like the f16 of ides and programming, it is huge, it is slow, however it is the most programmer friendly and the most complete IDE in existence, everything you can think of already exists in vs pro
in linux, the alternatives to vs pro are vs code.
after wasting your time installing vs code, you will find that it is not even worthy to be considered a half assed version of vs pro, and its even worse when you realize that it is actually one of the biggest IDEs for linux environments.
you go on reddit or 4chan to see linux users giving justifications to cope with their reality, you would see them suggesting things like vcodium clion
which is just hillarious, it's like someone trying to buy a corolla and people tell him "why don't you buy a bicycle instead?" and this is the case for nearly everything, I unironically agree with terry davis, not for his cucked "bare" philosophy (which is just an excuse for inability and lack of realisticism) but for his disdain for opensource, the concept of opensource goes against the end user. the internet has manifested this critically wrong idea that open source = better because "muh privacy" when it's really just about accessable code, and sadly everyone believes it now.
"Instead of wasting your time distrohopping try to code"
in which im failing at now and realized that I have a much better shot of doing this on another os. defeats the whole purpose huh?