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Serious Pornography as hate speech

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Should the given example be protected?

  • Yes! It's free speech!

  • No! It's hate speech!

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sneed (not chuck)

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I just witnessed something disturbing in a porn, and it has got me thinking about why porn is tolerated at all in society. I feel like it breaks a number of laws already, but it is weirdly protected.

Within the porn (it was JAV), a woman was being gangbanged. At some point, she calls it quits, squirms, and crawls away. She says something in Japanese, and she's got her head down. The cameraman talks to her a bit, they give her a tissue to wipe her face, and she continues with the scene, but breaks down again. After a break, she is coerced into completing the scene.


This video is being distributed online. This is not the only case of what is essentially rape being distributed online as porn. There is the famous case of Linda Lovelace who was made to do her scenes in Deep Throat at gunpoint.

In the USA, porn is protected under free speech. The pornography is protected as the artistic expression of the director. However, I would argue that under this definition, pornography is obviously hate speech. Hanging a noose in front of a black person’s lawn or burning a cross are all forms of free speech which convey ideas. So is sticking a ‘whites only’ sign in front of a store. However, these are regarded as prohibited forms of speech using a kind of rationale that isn’t extended to pornography, which often sends the message that women are to be subordinated.

MacKinnon argues that the free speech of pornography sends the message that women are to be subordinated. She writes “at stake in constructing pornography as "speech" is gaining constitutional protection for doing what pornography does: subordinating women through sex.” MacKinnon argues that pornography, if it is speech, is a kind of speech (much like racism) that is harmful to society. She writes “Social inequality is substantially created and enforced-that is, done-through words and images.” Thus, by displaying women in subordinated positions, pornography conveys the message in society that women are second-class citizens that exist for the sexual pleasure of men.

I have three questions regarding the above video.
  • Is pornography free speech
  • Is the above video protected free speech, or should it be prohibited hate speech
  • If so, why isn’t the same logic carried on to child pornography? In both cases, it requires harming someone to produce the "speech". However, the recording and distribution of one is considered a serious crime while the other is considered entertainment
 
Why should i be banned from watching a penis enter a woman just because woke says so, No its my natural instinct, I dont get pussy i gotta deal with it some other way. PORN PORN PORN!
 
Why should i be banned from watching a penis enter a woman just because woke says so, No its my natural instinct, I dont get pussy i gotta deal with it some other way. PORN PORN PORN!
I deal with the same issue. However, I wish to deal with the central issue of contradictions in how porn is treated in society.
 
It’s cucked and bad for our brains to watch it. If I fucked a foid on a camera and other dudes were beating their meat to it I would feel in a position of power over them
 
I deal with the same issue. However, I wish to deal with the central issue of contradictions in how porn is treated in society.
When hookers were banned in sweden 43% more rape cases happened, Testosterone and the biological need for pussy is strong.
 
It’s cucked and bad for our brains to watch it. If I fucked a foid on a camera and other dudes were beating their meat to it I would feel in a position of power over them
Watch Lesbian Or Solo Porn
 
It’s cucked and bad for our brains to watch it. If I fucked a foid on a camera and other dudes were beating their meat to it I would feel in a position of power over them
Fapping is great but keep it to once a week minimum, I get depressed after i fap but not if i wait a week each time
 
Fapping is great but keep it to once a week minimum, I get depressed after i fap but not if i wait a week each time
I need to bust a nut basically every day or I go crazy from hornyness but I will never beat my meat to pixels on a screen especially of another man fucking the woman I want. That shit is so cucked
 
I need to bust a nut basically every day or I go crazy from hornyness but I will never beat my meat to pixels on a screen especially of another man fucking the woman I want. That shit is so cucked
I can only do that when i cannot see the man and only imagine its my cock going inside her slippery hoel
 
I can only do that when i cannot see the man and only imagine its my cock going inside her slippery hoel
Still tho it’s another man’s dick that you’re fapping to
 
Still tho it’s another man’s dick that you’re fapping to
Yeah, Ive recently just hopped over to anime butts and see if thats something, Womens vaginas are getting more and more stretched and nasty
 
porn is rape, porn is hate speech it oppresses women!
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I just witnessed something disturbing in a porn, and it has got me thinking about why porn is tolerated at all in society. I feel like it breaks a number of laws already, but it is weirdly protected.

Within the porn (it was JAV), a woman was being gangbanged. At some point, she calls it quits, squirms, and crawls away. She says something in Japanese, and she's got her head down. The cameraman talks to her a bit, they give her a tissue to wipe her face, and she continues with the scene, but breaks down again. After a break, she is coerced into completing the scene.


This video is being distributed online. This is not the only case of what is essentially rape being distributed online as porn. There is the famous case of Linda Lovelace who was made to do her scenes in Deep Throat at gunpoint.

In the USA, porn is protected under free speech. The pornography is protected as the artistic expression of the director. However, I would argue that under this definition, pornography is obviously hate speech. Hanging a noose in front of a black person’s lawn or burning a cross are all forms of free speech which convey ideas. So is sticking a ‘whites only’ sign in front of a store. However, these are regarded as prohibited forms of speech using a kind of rationale that isn’t extended to pornography, which often sends the message that women are to be subordinated.

MacKinnon argues that the free speech of pornography sends the message that women are to be subordinated. She writes “at stake in constructing pornography as "speech" is gaining constitutional protection for doing what pornography does: subordinating women through sex.” MacKinnon argues that pornography, if it is speech, is a kind of speech (much like racism) that is harmful to society. She writes “Social inequality is substantially created and enforced-that is, done-through words and images.” Thus, by displaying women in subordinated positions, pornography conveys the message in society that women are second-class citizens that exist for the sexual pleasure of men.

I have three questions regarding the above video.
  • Is pornography free speech
  • Is the above video protected free speech, or should it be prohibited hate speech
  • If so, why isn’t the same logic carried on to child pornography? In both cases, it requires harming someone to produce the "speech". However, the recording and distribution of one is considered a serious crime while the other is considered entertainment
Never trust anything Catherine McKinnon says. She got porn banned but when the homosexuals complained she went running back to the judge to ask for a reversal.
 
@kretschmer What?
 
I'd wipe that Japanese foids tears with my dick
 
She keeps asking for a tissue (because her eyes hurt from the semen) and in the beginning she also says she has trouble breathing. At some point she threatens to call her manager if they don't give her a tissue.

Pornography ain't speech tho? Am I missing something?
Works of film, literature, and other art are also regarded as speech, as they are a form of expression.
 
Works of film, literature, and other art are also regarded as speech, as they are a form of expression.
Really? They have different standards tho, right? For example, murder in movies is fine, but murder in real life ain't. How does that work then?
 
Who voted No? Women choose to degrade themselves.
 
Really? They have different standards tho, right? For example, murder in movies is fine, but murder in real life ain't. How does that work then?
Here's a good summary
  • Artistic expression is a type of speech protected under the First Amendment. Generally, federal, state, and local governments cannot restrict artistic expression based on its message, ideas, subject matter or content. However, federal, state, and local governments may implement limitations on artistic expression. These restrictions must have a compelling interest such as preventing an actual incitement to crime, a breach of the peace, and a social interest in morality.
 
Here's a good summary
  • Artistic expression is a type of speech protected under the First Amendment. Generally, federal, state, and local governments cannot restrict artistic expression based on its message, ideas, subject matter or content. However, federal, state, and local governments may implement limitations on artistic expression. These restrictions must have a compelling interest such as preventing an actual incitement to crime, a breach of the peace, and a social interest in morality.
Thanks for the summary and the link. If I understand correctly, artistic media are treated as speech in the sense that they convey a message. I imagine that could get a bit hairy in certain cases, altho that's also true for verbal speech I guess, albeit to a lesser extent.
 

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