That's because Fascism is not a stand alone ideology. It needs an authority, a bigger cause. The ones we've tried so far were all colossal failures. We need to look for a. new cause. It's in our nature to want to be part of a group. Humans are not individualists, which is why any individualistic ideology leads to nihilism.
Ok, what you are doing here is that you are using the label "fascist" to encompass everything that is not individualism. I understand what you mean (and I share the view that individualism is a dead end), but the word "fascism" is not generally used as widely. I am not sure that using it that way is helping you get across what you want.
Although you are right about us being part of nature, which is something we can never transcend, we are not in direct contact with nature. Sure, we might be breathing air, and walking next to a tree. But then again, that's not the way humans have evolved to live. Humans are not supposed to live like I (or you) do. That's not healthy.
Absolutely, but what does it mean "like we do".
Humans have evolved initially like every animal species. Then, for some reason, we have developed the capacity for language and culture. Since that time, we have never lived according to our instincts anymore. Ever since farming began, we have invented ever more effective ways to suppress or reorient our instincts. That is what culture is.
Depression is just our body's way of telling us there's something wrong.
Yes, Absolutely
Is that even possible? Can we really control what we feel or want? I mean, that would imply that we have free will. Wouldn't it?
Yes, it is possible, and no, it is not related to free-will.
An individual cannot easily modify his own behavior. But a child can be trained in a way that will suppress some of his instincts and/or amplify others. That is what all cultures do. Indeed that is the very essence of culture. Beyond childhood, certain cultures have developed techniques for adult re-training which can result in some more instinct-bending at any age. These techniques correspond roughly to what we call "religions". In India, this is very clear. Each religious current has its own "yoga", which is what adult re-training is called in that context. In Christianity, it is less visible, but the same thing is there all right. It is particularly obvious among monks.
And why would we regress to caveman lifestyle? I'm not saying repress all of our instincts.
We will not regress to caveman level if we
repress our instincts. On the contrary, this regression will occur, if we
stop repressing our instincts.
I mean, as incels, we are trying to repress many of our instincts, and we have not become more primitive. Repressing ALL of your instincts is not even possible. It'll lead to death before it leads to a caveman lifestyle.
I never said that. It is the other way around (see above)
I just want the system to stop progressing.
I am not sure what you mean by that but it is quite clear that we cannot stop time or turn the clock back. Things will always move "forward" in that sense
We've reach the optimal state in the 1950s. It was all downhill from there.
True. The question is why?
We need to control certain things before even thinking about a more "primitive" lifestyle.
You have to keep in mind that there is very little we can "control". Beyond a small group of like-minded people, I do not see what we can realistically "control" at the moment.
Back in the 1950s you had the option to live in the woods without being bothered by the system. We weren't surrounded by bricks like we are today. I remember how the area where my parents live was in the early 2000s. It was just a small community of people living with little to no technology (we had internet and everything, but it wasn't heavily used). And we were happy. Technological and industrial development are making us miserable.
It is not the Technology or industry. It is how these are used according to the culture.
Why would I want a dystopian future? Going back to nature only means removing ourselves from urban cities and moving into a community where we're not constantly bombarded by the news. The reason we can't escape our culture is because of technology.
That is not correct. Technology does not prevent us from questioning our culture (which is a prerequisite for escaping it). Indeed, technology is helping us question our culture
right now as we both write on this forum. Google, Twitter, Youtube and Reddit could be used to question our culture even more if these platforms were not controlled by bluepiller cucks. So it is bluepill cuck culture that is the problem, not technology.
Regarding going back to the countryside, here are two examples:
- Pol Pot's Cambodia
- The Puritan pilgrims in 17th century New England.
One was a huge failure, the other one a huge success. In each case, what caused the respective outcome was not "going back to the countryside"
per se, it was the spirit in which it was done. In the case of Pol Pot, the ideology was a blend of Communism and Mao-inspired countryside romanticism. It was obviously not working. In the other case, the ideology was Christianity. It worked.
I do not deny that living in relative isolation, away from cities, might be a good idea at a certain stage. But you cannot hope that, by itself, this will just do the trick. First you have to have a set of guiding principles, crowned by an idea of the transcendent. The best way to call this is to use the word "religion". It is certainly not perfect but it is better than any of the alternatives ("ideology", "theory", "philosophy", ...) because it emphasized the fact that a certain
practice must be part of the package, not just some ideas.
That's true, but we have to admit that it exacerbates the problem.
Technology can work as an amplifier, it is true. But that is not necessarily bad. If a culture is bad, it is better if it burns itself out quickly rather than slowly.
Technology is rampant these days, and it can no longer be controlled. I'd be in favour of controlling it if possible. Alas, that's not the case. Therefore, I think getting rid of it altogether (or only leaving very primitive computers) can help us massively.
Not in and of itself.
Now ofc, the majority of people are going to object to that. But I do firmly believe that technology has ruined us; it fucked our attention span, it made us lazy,
It is not technology itself, it is the way we use it. And the way we use it is dictated by culture. Yes, social media is crap. But the underlying technology can be used to do things that are not crap, like Wikipedia (which is perfect regarding anything pre-dating 1950). The argument against technology is like saying: "iron can be used to make knives to murder people, so let us ban iron"
but more importantly it has made political polarisation easier.
Not really. Political polarization was just as bad, if not worse, in the 1920s and 30s
I agree. But again, Christianity didn't anticipate this huge technological advancement. We have to use what we have to come with a better system, and to move towards a more fulfilling lifestyle. I know that many disagree, but I think that most of our problems stem from individualism (and nihilism but nihilism is the end result of individualism) which is largely caused by technology.
Yes, individualism and nihilism are the problem. No, they are not caused by technology.
If you focus on the wrong cause, you have no chance to solve the problem.
Also, regrading how bad technological advancement can be, take a look at Asia. They're ahead of us in terms of development. Look at the suicide rates of South Korea. Look at the state of men in Japan. I know that feminism and other shit have a lot to do with that as well, but still, those countries are much more advanced than the West, and their advancement has made them slaves to the system. Are they happy? I've talked with a couple of Korean dudes, and all of them have invariably told me they're miserable.
Yes they are. Being Japanese, I know that quite well.
But it is not because of technology.
In singling out technology you are being influenced by materialism. Materialists think that material objects are the most important causes of all. Marxism is the best known of all materialist currents. It has been so popular that it influences us even if we do not realize it.
We are miserable, ok. We look around us and we see a lot of technology. Technology is material. We can touch it and see it. So, bingo, it must be the cause of our misery. This is materialist thinking ...
There are things that are far more consequential than what we can see our touch, it is what is going on in our heads. People from the past were far wiser than us in that respect. They felt, with good reason, that "what is going on in our heads", which they called "the spirit", was the most important thing in the world. We have to learn from them before we decide on a course of action.