People actually STILL believe in god LMFAO

[ReturnOfSaddam]

holy shit how dumb can you get.

"yeah it just so happens that the EXACT same religion my parents taught me from birth HAS to be the right one, out of all the millions!"

"who cares if the bible says the earth is flat??? ITS THE WORD OF GOD AND UNQUESTIONABLE!!!"

(when faced with any question which points out the utter stupidity and contradictory nature of their religious belief) "Y-YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!!! NOBODY CAN!!! YOU'RE NOT GOD!!!! HE IS BEYOND COMPREHENSION!!!! (despite the fact that I somehow know we're made in his image!!!)

Oh by the way, to all Christfags reading this: Any incel who believes in a loving god is an utter bootlicking cuck

 

[Deleted member 23712]

Jfl at christcopers

 

[AbsolutelyBrutal]

Religion is a good cope. I'd like to be religious.

 

[Deleted member 32725]

I sure do.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

High IQ. At the very least those who believe him to be benevolent. I always see em argue evil has to exist so people can acknowledge good. When a truly omnipotent deity would be able to create free will without evil having to exist. Just lol @ benevolent God copers
Also i remember seeing this

. Completely wiped out belief in a possibility of a benevolent God
Very blackpilled argument. Mainstream christ cucks can't reply. It makes far more sense to believe in no God or a malevolent sadistic nigger deity.

 

[Deleted member 33216]

Although I, as an atheist, do agree with you, that's not the way to convince them of why their arguments are flawed. I've talked to a couple of Christians here, and they made some semi-convincing counterarguments, but I still need to look at their resources and make sure that the arguments hold water. Attacking them is going to have the opposite effect imo.

 

[Deleted member 32725]

Although I, as an atheist, do agree with you, that's not the way to convince them of why their arguments are flawed. I've talked to a couple of Christians here, and they made some semi-convincing counterarguments, but I still need to look at their resources and make sure that the arguments hold water. Attacking them is going to have the opposite effect imo.

Thanks, bro. That's pretty cool of you

 

[Deleted member 33216]

Very blackpilled argument. Mainstream christ cucks can't reply. It makes far more sense to believe in no God or a malevolent sadistic nigger deity.

They do have an argument against it, but it's generally something along the lines of "God gave us free will". Which is also problematic and arouses more questions that it answers.

 

[epillepsy]

why does this piss you off so much, considering the other shit that's so much worse and actually harmful to the world?
the values of christianity are good, and if this religion and state were married as they used to be, degeneracy would be reduced by quite a lot.

 

[Deleted member 32725]

I'd like to add that I am deeply religious, and I've never found critical thinking, science, logic, etc. from precluding my shared belief in the Christian God. I also don't feel the need to bitch and piss and moan about atheists.

 

[Deleted member 31122]

I don't personally believe in higher powers but religion is good for society tbh as it keeps (was keeping) toilets and chads in check

 

[Deleted member 33216]

Thanks, bro. That's pretty cool of you

You're welcome, brocel. I intend on making threads pertaining my problems with Christianity and religion in general, mostly consisting of my take on famous religious arguments for. I'm looking forward for your opinions on them. But it's going to be a while before I do that since I need some time to do some research, and also because I'm currently occupied with a private AI project on mine.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

They do have an argument against it, but it's generally something along the lines of "God gave us free will". Which is also problematic and arouses more questions that it answers.

All the arguments are complete nonsense. a truly benevolent omnipotent deity would be able make free will and world free of sin coexist.

 

[Deleted member 32725]

You're welcome, brocel. I intend on making threads pertaining my problems with Christianity and religion in general, mostly consisting of my take on famous religious arguments for. I'm looking forward for your opinions on them. But it's going to be a while before I do that since I need some time to do some research, and also because I'm currently occupied with a private AI project on mine.

Go for it! I welcome challenges to my beliefs because I believe those are what keep me from being an NPC. I can't promise I can give you a good answer to everything, but that doesn't mean there isn't an answer. But you have to make sure to prioritize your work, too.

 

[Deleted member 33216]

All the arguments are complete nonsense. a truly benevolent omnipotent deity would be able make free will and world free of sin coexist.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that all of them are utter nonsense. I found some of them hard to counter tbh. But many of them are contradictory, yeah. It all depends on the apologist you're listening to. Dr. Craig is one of the reasonable ones imo. The other famous ones are usually either larpers or outright idiots.


Here's a video that brilliantly explains the morality problem that Christianity -- and other religions -- suffers from:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KDnnp0sDkI&ab_channel=CosmicSkeptic

 

[Transcended Trucel]

I wouldn't go as far as to say that all of them are utter nonsense. I found some of them hard to counter tbh. But many of them are contradictory, yeah. It all depends on the apologist you're listening to. Dr. Craig is one of the reasonable ones imo. The other famous ones are usually either larpers or outright idiots.


Here's a video that brilliantly explains the morality problem that Christianity -- and other religions -- suffers from:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KDnnp0sDkI&ab_channel=CosmicSkeptic

I already made my decision on this issue. it's why I chose Buddhism over Christianity. Buddhism doesn't believe in a creator deity or doesn't acknowledge it as a relevant issue

 

[Deleted member 33216]

I welcome challenges to my beliefs because I believe those are what keep me from being an NPC

Ironically, being raised in a conservative Christian household is what kept me from being an NPC as well. As I've stated in another thread, I'm not willing to give up on the elegant moral system that Christianity provides, I just take it without the supernatural stuff. My views are close to those of Jordan Peterson on this matter (as described in Maps of Meaning). But I do share some views with prominent atheists like Sam Harris, and Richard Dawkins.

I can't promise I can give you a good answer to everything, but that doesn't mean there isn't an answer

It's more about having a productive discussion. I'm not trying to score points or to win an argument. IMO that's a bad mindset to get into an argument with.

 

[Deleted member 32725]

Ironically, being raised in a conservative Christian household is what kept me from being an NPC as well. As I've stated in another thread, I'm not willing to give up on the elegant moral system that Christianity provide, I just take it without the supernatural stuff. My views are close to those of Jordan Peterson on this matter (as described in Maps of Meaning). But I do share some views with prominent atheists like Sam Harris, and Richard Dawkins.


It's more about having a productive discussion. I'm not trying to score points or to win an argument. IMO that's a bad mindset to get into an argument with.

My family were Christian, but the rest gave up except for me.
And I know you wouldn't be posting to score points. I just wanted to make sure people knew that, just because I couldn't respond well to a criticism of Christianity, doesn't mean a good response doesn't exist. Same thing when Christians think we score a "gotcha" moment

 

[epillepsy]

Ironically, being raised in a conservative Christian household is what kept me from being an NPC as well. As I've stated in another thread, I'm not willing to give up on the elegant moral system that Christianity provide, I just take it without the supernatural stuff.

Christianity is a good prefabricated moral system for the masses that also helps society function in a healthy way.
It's against homosexuality, abortion, fornication, and says that the wife must obey the husband.
If it requires a belief in God for people to follow that system of values, it's a small price to pay.

That's why it's so irritating to see evangelical atheists constantly attack Christians out of thin air, and it's not a coincidence that it's what soys and foids do as well, because they love acting outside of that moral system, indulging in disgusting and homosexual sex practices, acting in a criminal manner, and worshiping women as pagan gods. The thing is that foids are extremely inclined to believe in the supernatural, but they forgo a belief in the Christian God nowadays because it runs counter to their sense of degeneracy and wanting to murder their babies through abortion.

I can't see the difference between this type of atheism and Satanism, tbh. In fact Laveyan Satanism is called a secular religion. These people are following it without knowing. And I don't get this shit from OP when none of the problems that affect us come from people believing in God. In fact, a belief in God would prevent many of these problems, so what is the problem here.

 

[Incline]

High IQ. At the very least those who believe him to be benevolent. I always see em argue evil has to exist so people can acknowledge good. When a truly omnipotent deity would be able to create free will without evil having to exist. Just lol @ benevolent God copers
Also i remember seeing this
View attachment 429131. Completely wiped out belief in a possibility of a benevolent God
Very blackpilled argument. Mainstream christ cucks can't reply. It makes far more sense to believe in no God or a malevolent sadistic nigger deity.

I did not hear about this man Epicuro I will read about him I thank you.

 

[Deleted member 32725]

I did not hear about this man Epicuro I will read about him I thank you.

Don't bother
The Epicurean "Paradox" is something most Christian Apologists wet our teeth on. It's an insufficient argument against Christianity. Maybe a different religion might get clapped idk

 

[Deleted member 33216]

That's why it's so irritating to see evangelical atheists constantly attack Christians out of thin air, and it's not a coincidence that it's what soys and foids do as well, because they love acting outside of that moral system, indulging in disgusting and homosexual sex practices, acting in a criminal manner, and worshiping women as pagan gods. The thing is that foids are extremely inclined to believe in the supernatural, but they forgo a belief in the Christian God nowadays because it runs counter to their sense of degeneracy and wanting to murder their babies through abortion.

I've noticed that many foids nowadays believe in astrology or the law of attractions, which are utter bs but they dismiss Christianity under the claims that there's no evidence for it. I think you're right about the reason behind it being the fact that it flies in the face of their "progressive" narrative.

And I don't get this shit from OP when none of the problems that affect us come from people believing in God. In fact, a belief in God would prevent many of these problems, so what is the problem here.

Well, you gotta admit that Christian values have facilitated the spread of the Jewish agenda in the West. Personally, my problem with God is the lack of solid evidence for his/its existence. But I'm still looking into that. I've been an atheist for 10-11 years now, but I do believe that if our societies were built on a Christian moral system many of our societal problems, including SJW culture, will disappear. I don't even think we need a deity for that.

I don't personally believe in higher powers but religion is good for society tbh as it keeps (was keeping) toilets and chads in check

 

[epillepsy]

Well, you gotta admit that Christian values have facilitated the spread of the Jewish agenda in the West.

that may be true, but the pervasive system of "morality' in the west now runs counter to the precepts of christianity.

Personally, my problem with God is the lack of solid evidence for his/its existence. But I'm still looking into that. I've been an atheist for 10-11 years now, but I do believe that if our societies were built on a Christian moral system many of our societal problems, including SJW culture, will disappear. I don't even think we need a deity for that.

a lot of people are very weak in terms of conviction, so a belief in god might be necessary.
heaven needs to be a possible prize for many of them to follow the rules, but if society got this deranged already without the necessity of a god, maybe it can be unfucked without one either.

 

[Deleted member 32725]

I've noticed that many foids nowadays believe in astrology or the law of attractions, which are utter bs but they dismiss Christianity under the claims that there's no evidence for it. I think you're right about the reason behind it being the fact that it flies in the face of their "progressive" narrative.

Well, you gotta admit that Christian values have facilitated the spread of the Jewish agenda in the West. Personally, my problem with God is the lack of solid evidence for his/its existence. But I'm still looking into that. I've been an atheist for 10-11 years now, but I do believe that if our societies were built on a Christian moral system many of our societal problems, including SJW culture, will disappear. I don't even think we need a deity for that.

Nietzsche points out how cucked Christianity became, but this was a product of Jewish influence. Our core values have slow been eroded and Judeized in the usual game of subversion and collapse (((they))) play with any power that might hinder them. But there are legitimate reasons for the degradation of Christianity

 

[Deleted member 33216]

Nietzsche points out how cucked Christianity became, but this was a product of Jewish influence. Our core values have slow been eroded and Judeized in the usual game of subversion and collapse (((they))) play with any power that might hinder them. But there are legitimate reasons for the degradation of Christianity

They've been altered over time to fit the Jewish narrative.

 

[Deleted member 32725]

They've been altered over time to fit the Jewish narrative.

Exactly. Because Christianity may have been one of the only things presenting a legitimate threat to the Jewish mindset and its entrenched status

 

[proudweeb]

I think religion is good if it helps people cope, though I don't personally believe the stories of Bible, Koran, etc. I believe in the possibility of God, can't explain where the universe came from

 

[squirrelsonfire2]

@FlamingCel thoughts?

 

[Blackpill Rage]

I can't see the difference between this type of atheism and Satanism, tbh. In fact Laveyan Satanism is called a secular religion. These people are following it without knowing. And I don't get this shit from OP when none of the problems that affect us come from people believing in God. In fact, a belief in God would prevent many of these problems, so what is the problem here.

There's also spiritual satanism which is based.

 

[epillepsy]

There's also spiritual satanism which is based.

the satanism i hate the most is secular, atheistic satanism.
the others i'm not too familiar with.

 

[Blackpill Rage]

the satanism i hate the most is secular, atheistic satanism.
the others i'm not too familiar with.

Spiritual satanist worship the pagan version of satan not the biblical version of satan. They also hate kikes.

 

[Dregster]

holy shit how dumb can you get.

"yeah it just so happens that the EXACT same religion my parents taught me from birth HAS to be the right one, out of all the millions!"

"who cares if the bible says the earth is flat??? ITS THE WORD OF GOD AND UNQUESTIONABLE!!!"

(when faced with any question which points out the utter stupidity and contradictory nature of their religious belief) "Y-YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!!! NOBODY CAN!!! YOU'RE NOT GOD!!!! HE IS BEYOND COMPREHENSION!!!! (despite the fact that I somehow know we're made in his image!!!)

Oh by the way, to all Christfags reading this: Any incel who believes in a loving god is an utter bootlicking cuck

God is Great

 

[epillepsy]

Spiritual satanist worship the pagan version of satan not the biblical version of satan. They also hate kikes.

sounds ok.
the main problem with atheistic satanism is the rampant homosexuality and woman worship they engage in, all while subscribing to numerology and symbology while professing non-belief in the supernatural.
very hypocritical and lacking intellectual honesty.
that kind of ritual bullshit without a spiritual component is just an excuse to shove crucifixes up each other's asses and abort babies in the name of ritual sacrifice where they aren't sacrificing to a god but only fulfilling their own bloodlust.
they follow to a T exactly what the (((media))) tells them to.
so in the end modern atheism, satanism, and judaism begin to resemble each other and have no distinction, just another name for the degenerating state of mind that makes up society.

 

[Deleted member 33450]

I’m too cynical for religion tbh
But christianity is important for a structured society

 

[ReturnOfSaddam]

Lmao at the amount of christfag incels we have here. UTTER cucks. Thank you god for making my life shit, I appreciate it so much!!! So benevolent

 

[Deleted member 33716]

Happy Easter crusadercels

 

[AmIjustDreaming]

Lmao at the amount of christfag incels we have here. UTTER cucks. Thank you god for making my life shit, I appreciate it so much!!! So benevolent

based

 

[Dregster]

Goddamn. I'm glad I'm not muslim anymore.

God is Great

 

[Dregster]

fuck off

 

[Babica Yaga]

I'd like to add that I am deeply religious, and I've never found critical thinking, science, logic, etc. from precluding my shared belief in the Christian God. I also don't feel the need to bitch and piss and moan about atheists.

+1. I'm agnostic atheist and I think ppl can believe whatever the fuck they want to believe. Anyone can try to convince me of a higher power, just don't try imposing shit on me without hard concrete evidence.

 

[Deleted member 33827]

High IQ. At the very least those who believe him to be benevolent. I always see em argue evil has to exist so people can acknowledge good. When a truly omnipotent deity would be able to create free will without evil having to exist. Just lol @ benevolent God copers
Also i remember seeing this
View attachment 429131. Completely wiped out belief in a possibility of a benevolent God
Very blackpilled argument. Mainstream christ cucks can't reply. It makes far more sense to believe in no God or a malevolent sadistic nigger deity.

Off topic but how come all the ancient Greek and Roman philosophers have always been depicted as GigaChads? That's another blackpill right there.

It's either the GigaChads were exempt from slavery and their words well respected because of their looks halo or that people who drew them later on didn't wanted subhumans as intellectuals because of their sulphuric subhuman energy. They probably thought that a guy with recessed maxilla can never think so deep and abstract.

You can run but the blackpill is like a shadow, it's always there.

 

[Kaisercel]

When a truly omnipotent deity would be able to create free will without evil having to exist.

"omnipotent" does not mean that he can do literally everything. He still would not be able to create a triangle with four edges, because having four edges is incompatible with the nature of a triangle. Something similar can be argued regarding the problem of evil.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

"omnipotent" does not mean that he can do literally everything. He still would not be able to create a triangle with four edges, because having four edges is incompatible with the nature of a triangle. Something similar can be argued regarding the problem of evil.

Then he ain't worthy of worship

 

[Deleted member 33216]

He still would not be able to create a triangle with four edges, because having four edges is incompatible with the nature of a triangle

Then he ain't omnipotent cuz if he was he would change the nature of the triangle. The concept itself is flawed, I agree with that much.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

>be omnipotent and omniscient being
>praise "simple" people and condemn smart ones
>create a book that is very ambiguous and vulnerable to extremely different interpretations so "simple" people have to listen to manipulations of corrupted clergy

((()))

 

[erenyeager]

holy shit how dumb can you get.

"yeah it just so happens that the EXACT same religion my parents taught me from birth HAS to be the right one, out of all the millions!"

"who cares if the bible says the earth is flat??? ITS THE WORD OF GOD AND UNQUESTIONABLE!!!"

(when faced with any question which points out the utter stupidity and contradictory nature of their religious belief) "Y-YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!!! NOBODY CAN!!! YOU'RE NOT GOD!!!! HE IS BEYOND COMPREHENSION!!!! (despite the fact that I somehow know we're made in his image!!!)

Oh by the way, to all Christfags reading this: Any incel who believes in a loving god is an utter bootlicking cuck

Why worship the man that made you a laughing stock that's like kissing the ass of an abusive father. Giga cucked.

 

[bahoicel]

Religion and culture in the west are practically only parodies of what they once were, they are closer to entertainment than to actual culture.

 

[TaciturnCel]

Atheism is really a luxury of people in the first world, where theres copious amounts of food, water, jobs, living conditions, etc. compared to third world nations. Most atheists would believe in God if they were born in a shithole country because religion appeals primarily to the emotions.

 

[ReturnOfSaddam]

Atheism is really a luxury of people in the first world, where theres copious amounts of food, water, jobs, living conditions, etc. compared to third world nations. Most atheists would believe in God if they were born in a shithole country because religion appeals primarily to the emotions.

Yeah believe in god for putting you in a third world shithole christfags are more dumb than IT

 

[Deleted member 33664]

If Gods of any kind exist, they are beyond evil and don't deserve to be worshipped. Either Gods don't exist (the truth) or Gods exist and willingly create an insane amount of suffering. Examples being making subhuman men (incels) but still giving them biological drives to desire relationships with foids, who would rather kill themselves than have to even acknowledge subhuman men.