Pakistan's first nuke was Chinese, so why don't Iran do the same?

[AsiaCel]

China tested nukes for Pakistan, gave design - Times of India

US News: The US and the West were aware of Chinese nuclear weapons proliferation to Pak, including conducting a proxy test for it, as far back as 1990, an ex-U

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Pakistan’s nuclear forces, 2011 - Hans M. Kristensen, Robert S. Norris, 2011

The US raid that killed Osama bin Laden has raised concerns about the security of Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal. In the process of building two new plutonium produ...

journals.sagepub.com

Why don't Iran ask China for nukes?

How much plutonium or uranium is needed for a Pakistani nuclear warhead depends upon many variables, but three are particularly important: the technical capabilities of the scientists and engineers, the warhead design, and the desired yield (see Table 2). Skilled technicians need less fissile material to achieve a given yield. Though we do not know the skill level at which the Pakistani bomb designers are working, they have been at it since the 1970s, have had help from China, and have conducted several nuclear tests; these factors suggest that low- to medium-level technical skills are plausible.
Precise details about Pakistan’s nuclear warheads are not publicly known, but its initial warhead design was most likely an HEU fission implosion configuration. There is general consensus that China provided Pakistani nuclear scientist A. Q. Khan with the blueprints to the uranium implosion device that China detonated on October 27, 1966 (the so-called CHIC-4 test/design). It is also generally accepted that on May 26, 1990, China tested a Pakistani derivative of the CHIC-4 at its Lop Nor test site, with a yield in the 10–12 kiloton (kt) range.3 That range accords with estimates of Pakistan’s 1998 nuclear tests, which had yields somewhere between 5 and 12 kt. Refinements in boosting and plutonium use are the normal next steps in weapon improvements, along with miniaturization of the warheads to fit into smaller delivery vehicles. Pakistan is probably undertaking all of these improvements to arm its cruise and ballistic missiles, or both, with smaller payloads.
Pakistan may be producing 120–180 kg of HEU per year, an amount sufficient for 7–15 warheads. The uranium ore is mined at several locations throughout Pakistan, with more mines scheduled to open in the future. Uranium is extracted from the ore and processed into uranium hexafluoride and uranium metal at the Dera Ghazi Khan uranium processing facility in southern Punjab. Enrichment takes place at the Kahuta and Gadwal plants southeast and northwest of Islamabad, respectively (International Panel on Fissile Materials, 2010; Landay, 2009; US Department of Commerce, 1998).

 

[LWii]

All countries are run by the same people anyway

 

[Defetivecuckachu]

I'm just some dumb Anglo wage slave.

But my guess: China probably trusts Pakistan to behave themselves and be a fairly rational, reliable client state of their technology, one hell of a lot more than they trust the Ayatollah and his sidekicks who are clearly using some weird religion-fuelled power trip as their basis for control and stability. In a country that was fully westernized 40 years ago, and might have an anti-revolution and go back that way at any time.

I don't think China want to give Iran nuclear weapons technology (or help them with their own nuclear weapons) and then be blamed when the Ayatollah pushes the button and ignites a small regional nuclear war that would permanently fuck global trade and the oil supply?

 

[currycell900]

I'm just some dumb Anglo wage slave.

But my guess: China probably trusts Pakistan to behave themselves and be a fairly rational, reliable client state of their technology, one hell of a lot more than they trust the Ayatollah and his sidekicks who are clearly using some weird religion-fuelled power trip as their basis for control and stability. In a country that was fully westernized 40 years ago, and might have an anti-revolution and go back that way at any time.

I don't think China want to give Iran nuclear weapons technology (or help them with their own nuclear weapons) and then be blamed when the Ayatollah pushes the button and ignites a small regional nuclear war that would permanently fuck global trade and the oil supply?

china and pakistan have common enemy India. Also china uses pakistan for resources in balochistan and is building 3000km road tunnel that connects both of the country. And makes trade of the resources from balochistan easier. And balochistan wants to seperate itself from pakistan so they do terrorist activities sponsored by iran and afghanistan. Also balochpeople have history of killing chinese workers in balochistan. Iran and china are actually enemies if you look carefully. Also last year only iran launched missiles in balochistan province because iran believed some bombings in tehran were done by balochistan law enforcement which is under pakistani govt

China tested nukes for Pakistan, gave design - Times of India

US News: The US and the West were aware of Chinese nuclear weapons proliferation to Pak, including conducting a proxy test for it, as far back as 1990, an ex-U

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Pakistan’s nuclear forces, 2011 - Hans M. Kristensen, Robert S. Norris, 2011

The US raid that killed Osama bin Laden has raised concerns about the security of Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal. In the process of building two new plutonium produ...

journals.sagepub.com

Why don't Iran ask China for nukes?

How much plutonium or uranium is needed for a Pakistani nuclear warhead depends upon many variables, but three are particularly important: the technical capabilities of the scientists and engineers, the warhead design, and the desired yield (see Table 2). Skilled technicians need less fissile material to achieve a given yield. Though we do not know the skill level at which the Pakistani bomb designers are working, they have been at it since the 1970s, have had help from China, and have conducted several nuclear tests; these factors suggest that low- to medium-level technical skills are plausible.
Precise details about Pakistan’s nuclear warheads are not publicly known, but its initial warhead design was most likely an HEU fission implosion configuration. There is general consensus that China provided Pakistani nuclear scientist A. Q. Khan with the blueprints to the uranium implosion device that China detonated on October 27, 1966 (the so-called CHIC-4 test/design). It is also generally accepted that on May 26, 1990, China tested a Pakistani derivative of the CHIC-4 at its Lop Nor test site, with a yield in the 10–12 kiloton (kt) range.3 That range accords with estimates of Pakistan’s 1998 nuclear tests, which had yields somewhere between 5 and 12 kt. Refinements in boosting and plutonium use are the normal next steps in weapon improvements, along with miniaturization of the warheads to fit into smaller delivery vehicles. Pakistan is probably undertaking all of these improvements to arm its cruise and ballistic missiles, or both, with smaller payloads.
Pakistan may be producing 120–180 kg of HEU per year, an amount sufficient for 7–15 warheads. The uranium ore is mined at several locations throughout Pakistan, with more mines scheduled to open in the future. Uranium is extracted from the ore and processed into uranium hexafluoride and uranium metal at the Dera Ghazi Khan uranium processing facility in southern Punjab. Enrichment takes place at the Kahuta and Gadwal plants southeast and northwest of Islamabad, respectively (International Panel on Fissile Materials, 2010; Landay, 2009; US Department of Commerce, 1998).

 

[Defetivecuckachu]

china and pakistan have common enemy India. Also china uses pakistan for resources in balochistan and is building 3000km road tunnel that connects both of the country. And makes trade of the resources from balochistan easier. And balochistan wants to seperate itself from pakistan so they do terrorist activities sponsored by iran and afghanistan. Also balochpeople have history of killing chinese workers in balochistan. Iran and china are actually enemies if you look carefully. Also last year only iran launched missiles in balochistan province because iran believed some bombings in tehran were done by balochistan law enforcement which is under pakistani govt

thanks man!