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Opinions regarding the Israel & Palestinian conflict

hierophant

hierophant

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In my honest opinion, I do not know nor do I care much for the issues abroad; I do however wonder what this matter is all about. The news provides a surface level presentation of events at large, independent researchers with pictures and stories of the issue much closer; I do not however think these individuals can provide as great a source then those are active participants within the conflict. Specifically, the intelligence agencies and war men who are waging it. So in conclusion, I do not know where Israel came about nor Palestine, nor do I care for their conflict; by this I mean if they are content to destroy each other then so let it be, but the world shall spectate not participate.
 
I would like to know your thoughts & opinions on the matter if you have any.
 
I see Israel as a bulwark against the plague of muslim-marxist third worldism. I've been denigrated as a jew-lover on here as a result of this stance, but really that's not the point.

With regards to Palestinians themselves, they never had a state to begin with, and after making a complete mess of every offer they did get, I can't see why they deserve one now.
 
I see Israel as a bulwark against the plague of muslim-marxist third worldism. I've been denigrated as a jew-lover on here as a result of this stance, but really that's not the point.

With regards to Palestinians themselves, they never had a state to begin with, and after making a complete mess of every offer they did get, I can't see why they deserve one now.
Please if you may, explain how you mean?
 
Please if you may, explain how you mean?
When you look at who is supporting Palestine overall, it is a degenerate amalgamation of marxists, "anti-imperialists" (communist authoritarians in disguise), brown & black sunni muslims who want white genocide (destruction of the West), and self-righteous shia muslims with their fagxis of resistance. And somehow lgbtq and feminism is baked into it too. When people joke on twitter "third world antisemitism is turning me into a zionist" this is what they're talking about.

As for my second point, I'm not an expert on all the history, but if you spend 5 minutes looking into it you will see they could have had a state and rejected it at least as many times.
 
Tbh for what it's worth a lot of jews (the leftist ones) are also anti-white racists, and I would say, fuck those who are, but the ones who align with the West know better than to bite the hand that feeds them
 
When you look at who is supporting Palestine overall, it is a degenerate amalgamation of marxists, "anti-imperialists" (communist authoritarians in disguise), brown & black sunni muslims who want white genocide (destruction of the West), and self-righteous shia muslims with their fagxis of resistance. And somehow lgbtq and feminism is baked into it too. When people joke on twitter "third world antisemitism is turning me into a zionist" this is what they're talking about.

As for my second point, I'm not an expert on all the history, but if you spend 5 minutes looking into it you will see they could have had a state and rejected it at least as many times.
If I comprehend your meaning: Palestine is not as is perceived but a group of individuals with very opposing, degenerative ideas? This in respect to your first point.

Lastly, do you mean to say that Israel could have existed prior, but the Jews did not take the opition?
 
If I comprehend your meaning: Palestine is not as is perceived but a group of individuals with very opposing, degenerative ideas? This in respect to your first point.
I'm not sure I understand your exact doubts, but what I am saying is basically that it has become tokenized for broader, destructive leftist causes. It was never really about Palestine itself. Here are a couple recent examples that illustrate this:


View: https://x.com/CombatASemitism/status/2037983364750192650?s=20



View: https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/2036623157352611996?s=20
 
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Lastly, do you mean to say that Israel could have existed prior, but the Jews did not take the opition?
I meant that throughout the conflict over time there have been attempts at compromise that the Palestinian leadership did not accept. We are beyond hope of reconciliation now though.
 
You also just see some of the worst faces getting onboard with it: here for example we have Hasan Piker (someone it's difficult not to dislike if you know anything about his grift) with the feminazi organization called Code Pink, that has literally protested against U.S. intervention to combat ISIS. How deranged do you have to be to let ISIS itself off the hook?? How can you be pro-Assad and pro-ISIS? The answer is if you are a sick leftist idiot.


View: https://x.com/codepink/status/2035102927082152265?s=20


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Jews are vindictive and muzzies are idiots. The Muslim world needs to realize they’re collectively too low IQ to be a threat to Israel and stop opposing its very existence. Israel must also stop trying to be as spiteful as possible in their military defense and settler attacks, and stop discriminating against Christians.

I think the onus is mostly on Muslim nations though. We wouldn’t be in this mess had 10/7 not happened.
 
sending prayers from the Mushroom Kingdom
 
Jews are vindictive and muzzies are idiots. The Muslim world needs to realize they’re collectively too low IQ to be a threat to Israel and stop opposing its very existence. Israel must also stop trying to be as spiteful as possible in their military defense and settler attacks, and stop discriminating against Christians.

I think the onus is mostly on Muslim nations though. We wouldn’t be in this mess had 10/7 not happened.
resistance seems to be working pretty well right now looking at the state of US politics
 
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In my honest opinion, I do not know nor do I care much for the issues abroad; I do however wonder what this matter is all about. The news provides a surface level presentation of events at large, independent researchers with pictures and stories of the issue much closer; I do not however think these individuals can provide as great a source then those are active participants within the conflict. Specifically, the intelligence agencies and war men who are waging it. So in conclusion, I do not know where Israel came about nor Palestine, nor do I care for their conflict; by this I mean if they are content to destroy each other then so let it be, but the world shall spectate not participate.
kill them all
 
@Giracel you are filthy Kike that spreading the normie Hasbara propaganda here
 
Death to the Kikes, Death to the Israel
Nonces like you are why the state had to be formed to begin with. Your assumptions also continue to be incorrect, I am not one by faith, and even by ethnicity don't have enough to be considered one.
 
Jews are vindictive and muzzies are idiots. The Muslim world needs to realize they’re collectively too low IQ to be a threat to Israel and stop opposing its very existence. Israel must also stop trying to be as spiteful as possible in their military defense and settler attacks, and stop discriminating against Christians.

I think the onus is mostly on Muslim nations though. We wouldn’t be in this mess had 10/7 not happened.
This is a fair and balanced perspective. Tbh the low-IQ of the Palestine movement and its commie supporters is the main thing that drove me away from it.
 
both sides are undeniably in the wrong but israel 20x fold, they have got to go nigga.
 
I see Israel as a bulwark against the plague of muslim-marxist third worldism. I've been denigrated as a jew-lover on here as a result of this stance, but really that's not the point.

With regards to Palestinians themselves, they never had a state to begin with, and after making a complete mess of every offer they did get, I can't see why they deserve one now.

@Giracel Thank you for this comment!

Israel like to present itself as a the "Guard of the Western Civilization". The wall that protects the white civilization. This is of course cheap propaganda aimed to gain support from Westerners and their sweet-sweet aid dollars.

Whether or not a Palestinian state existed in the past is irrelevant. No nation possesses an inherent 'right' to statehood, since there is no ultimate authority to grant or enforce such a moral claim/judgments. The Palestinians evolved into a distinct national identity (which is part of the Arab family, just like the Poles are part of the Slavic family), and the Palestinian identity is now an undeniable political fact.

Contrary to the myth that the Palestinians have "rejected statehood which was offered to them multiple time", in fact they were NEVER offered a viable state. All two-state solutions (from 1948 to Trump Peace Plan) were basically that same - a jewish ethnocracy and a Palestinian bantostan. The "solutions" were designed for rejection and perpetuation of the conflict.

Yet, I don't think that the creation of the Palestinian state alongside Israel is something that can minimize violence. IMO, the best solution is a South Africa style country. It will be a shithole of course, but at least without genocides and wars.

When you look at who is supporting Palestine overall, it is a degenerate amalgamation of marxists, "anti-imperialists" (communist authoritarians in disguise), brown & black sunni muslims who want white genocide (destruction of the West), and self-righteous shia muslims with their fagxis of resistance. And somehow lgbtq and feminism is baked into it too. When people joke on twitter "third world antisemitism is turning me into a zionist" this is what they're talking about.
I agree. Palestine's supporters have been the worst thing to happen to the Palestinian people :feelskek: . An epic amalgamation of degenerates.


As for my second point, I'm not an expert on all the history, but if you spend 5 minutes looking into it you will see they could have had a state and rejected it at least as many times.
As i said, this is faculty wrong. Even a remotely viable Palestinian state was never offered.
 
@Giracel you are filthy Kike that spreading the normie Hasbara propaganda here
Dear Monk,
I disagree. Since (((WE))) are so smart and powerful, (((OUR))) propaganda can distort even the brains of the best goyim.
Therefore, for the sake of goy solidarity, I would kindly ask you to be less jugmental toward goy people who fall into the Hasbara propaganda. There is no shame in being a goy and no shame in falling for Hasbara propaganda.
 
Dear Monk,
I disagree. Since (((WE))) are so smart and powerful, (((OUR))) propaganda can distort even the brains of the best goyim.
Therefore, for the sake of goy solidarity, I would kindly ask you to be less jugmental toward goy people who fall into the Hasbara propaganda. There is no shame in being a goy and no shame in falling for Hasbara propaganda.
Dnr+Holocaust every jew
 
@BenBerger thanks for all your responses although I'm struggling to tell what is satiric.

You bring up a good point about the "right to exist" which is an annoying and amorphous concept with no legal basis. Although I also find it subjective what "remotely viable" statehood means. From whose standpoint? To groups like Hamas or Kahanists, nothing is viable but a single state respectively. Bottom line is there is no good solution now that erases all the damage. No one debates that.

Regardless of anything about Israel, I can never support the Palestine movement due to its supporters, whether they be "anti-zionist" marxists or avowed anti-semites such as Monk—people who talk big about their desires for mass murder, but are nothing more than basement-dwelling cowards who would get their throats slit upon taking any action.
 
You bring up a good point about the "right to exist" which is an annoying and amorphous concept with no legal basis. Although I also find it subjective what "remotely viable" statehood means. From whose standpoint? To groups like Hamas or Kahanists, nothing is viable but a single state respectively. Bottom line is there is no good solution now that erases all the damage. No one debates that.
I will separate the issue of "remotely viable" and the issue of solutions.

On "remotely viable"
I admit that the idea of "remotely viable" is very problematic. Yet, on the other hand, for a state to excise, it has to be independent in some regards, let's call it "Factors of Independence"
I would say that a viable state has the following Factors of Independence (Please suggest if you think that any of these is redundant or perhaps something is missing):
- An entity with sufficient area
- Has Borders that can be protected
- Ability to maintain economic policy
- Being independent in terms of internal policy.

I would say that non of the above was on the table in 1948 and all of the other proposal for a "state".
- The 1948 "Partition Plan" was supposed to be an economic union with the Jewish state. So no economic independence.
- The 1948 "Partition Plan" was supposed to have open borders with Israel and the"International Zone" of Jerusalem.
- It had very complicated borders - look at the map yourself.
- The natural resources within the land cannot be really divided, especially water.

So, despite the fact that "remotely viable state" is a problematic concept, the lack of the factors renders the state to be nothing more than a bantustan or mere territory. Not everything that is called a "state" is actually a state. It has to be designed and have independence and sovereignty. Do you agree?

On Peace Solutions
My main point, is that such over-complicated "Peace Solutions" are not aimed at creating peace but fail at negotiations thus perpetuating the conflict and maintaining Zionist hegemony and a steppingstone for further zionist expansion.

The Palestinian argument from the beginning was AGAINST ANY SORT OF PARTITION, and this is because the Palestinians knew that any jewish state is a steppingstone for further zionist expansion and dispossession. Which is exactly what happened and happens to this day. The various "Peace Proposal" are just smoke screens for further dispossession of the Palestinians.

I agree that there is no "Good Solution", therefore i am lowering the bar to find a "Bearable Solution" or something that simple is not too brutal. This is how i arrived at a south africa style one-state solution. I am not saying that it is a good solution, but i do claim that given that fact that this land is a fucking madhouse of religious and nationalist degenerates, it is the best solution in reach.
I stress again that my bar for "solutions" is very low, and so is the quality of my solution.

Regardless of anything about Israel, I can never support the Palestine movement due to its supporters, whether they be "anti-zionist" marxists or avowed anti-semites such as Monk—people who talk big about their desires for mass murder, but are nothing more than basement-dwelling cowards who would get their throats slit upon taking any action.
I agree with it. It is hard for me to support the Palestinians precisely because of this.
 
So, despite the fact that "remotely viable state" is a problematic concept, the lack of the factors renders the state to be nothing more than a bantustan or mere territory. Not everything that is called a "state" is actually a state. It has to be designed and have independence and sovereignty. Do you agree?
Having broken down your meaning into discrete parts, yes I would agree. And I have seen that original partition map and can confirm it is indeed cartographic suifuel.

this land is a fucking madhouse of religious and nationalist degenerates
This is definitely a huge problem, and the reason why the whole thing will probably never be satisfactorily resolved for all…
 
@Giracel
It was a pleasure talking with you Sir!
 
Regardless of anything about Israel, I can never support the Palestine movement due to its supporters, whether they be "anti-zionist" marxists or avowed anti-semites such as Monk—people who talk big about their desires for mass murder, but are nothing more than basement-dwelling cowards who would get their throats slit upon taking any action.
:soy: :soy: :soy: :soy: :soy: :soy: :soy: :soy: :soy: :soy: :soy: :soy:
 
Palestine should get nuked and turned into a graveyard so we could dump their sandnigger bodies there, total death to Palestine and the left
 
Oh no I've been brutally owned. One less soyjak and I would've been fine, but this really got me.
Go back to Reddit, you filthy coward jew
 
I know that they're jews but I'm glad that they're at least killing a few muslims. These same so-so called "pitful," "meek" people would be very happy to force you under sharia and cut the skin off of your penis by force. I don't respect muslims. At least the new testament gives you a choice. Christianity > PISSlam forever.
 
Black Cube Of (((Saturn))) vs (((Hashem)))
 
I know that they're jews but I'm glad that they're at least killing a few muslims. These same so-so called "pitful," "meek" people would be very happy to force you under sharia and cut the skin off of your penis by force. I don't respect muslims. At least the new testament gives you a choice. Christianity > PISSlam forever.
Nigger mutt supporting his Jewish overlord
 
"The best way of determining disputes and of investigating truth, is by descending to elementary principles. Any other method may only bewilder and misguide the understanding."- Alexander Hamilton

Gentleman, let's be civil, how can you ever expect a conclusion to come there to if we cannot stand upon the basis of principle? We can justify this and that and all the other, but what sense does it make to make declarative statements about a people we may hardly know?

We should start over, compare and contrast this information and determine as one mind whether our understanding from the individual understanding, then out see if of the whole of our understanding is nearer to what has occurred.


Define your terms, so we may converse.

Primum Principium- Truth changeth not

Secundum Principium- if it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.

Tertium Principium- Good is that which does not cause harm unto other beings, and Evil is that which causes harm onto other beings

Quartum Principium- The first cause first came in thought, and came about through method and ended in action.

Quintum Principium- Whoever you go to for your data, that to you is your deity.
 

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