One of the reasons why gymcelling is pointless and I'll never do it

[Deleted member 7448]

Besides my laziness and weak will of course, the number one reason is this: steroids.

Maybe you don't know exactly what steroids do, but I have researched the topic quite a bit. And let me tell you, they make a tremendous difference. A guy hitting the gym hard while on steroids can get a physique that a natural wouldn't ever be able to get. In half a year of steroids and hard work you would look like a totally different person.

Steroids are a huge. unfair advantage. Sure, genetics are still king, but steroids make so much of a difference it's laughable to even try to build muscle as a natural. I couldn't live with myself if I went to the gym and worked hard for years only to be ridiculously small compared to a dude working hard on roids.

I'll never be able to afford steroids, and they're illegal to so if I had the money to buy steroids and the shady connections to get some, I'd get weed instead or some shit. But I'm broke so whatever.

 

[Deleted member 4999]

And there’s no point because skinny guys with chad faces slay

 

[HighTGymcel]

steroids arent unfair everybody can buy them

 

[Deleted member 7448]

And there’s no point because skinny guys with chad faces slay

Well, building muscle has benefits other than slaying, like strength, respect and intimidation, health in some cases. The thing is I'd never be able to live with myself thinking how people are getting x10 the results by using steroids.

steroids arent unfair everybody can buy them

I suppose that is true, but I make $300 a month in this shithole country so there's no way I can afford them.

 

[MarriedAndLookin4Fun]

steroids are cope tbh you must have elite genes to look good on roids, some people only get the bad side effects like brutal acne and don't grow at all

 

[Deleted member 14866]

And there’s no point because skinny guys with chad faces slay

well, gymaxxing is legit if you have a normie face and normal frame tbh

 

[Angry_runt]

I was getting mired after 18 months in the gym without steroids.
Mired by guys of course but they care more about muscles than foids so I know you don't need steroids to have a great body.
Especially given that foid preference is actually ottermode rather then bodybuilder types.

 

[mylifeistrash]

bodybuilding is the drugs

 

[Deleted member 7448]

I was getting mired after 18 months in the gym without steroids.
Mired by guys of course but they care more about muscles than foids so I know you don't need steroids to have a great body.
Especially given that foid preference is actually ottermode rather then bodybuilder types.

I'm not saying you can't get a good physique without steroids, but with steroids it would be many times better. And that's the thing, I mentally couldn't stand it knowing that some dudes are injecting steroids and getting faster and much, much better results than me.

 

[mylifeistrash]

I'm not saying you can't get a good physique without steroids, but with steroids it would be many times better. And that's the thing, I mentally couldn't stand it knowing that some dudes are injecting steroids and getting faster and much, much better results than me.

Most guys who lift for many years fail to build a decent physique. That's the norm. Building a good physique without drugs is insanely rare.

 

[Angry_runt]

I'm not saying you can't get a good physique without steroids, but with steroids it would be many times better. And that's the thing, I mentally couldn't stand it knowing that some dudes are injecting steroids and getting faster and much, much better results than me.

What are better results though?
Do you think

is better than

?

Because you'd be wrong, at least as far as foids go.

 

[Route3]

Agree, 7months gym for nothing

 

[ihaveno1]

roids have terrible side effects from what i've heard

 

[Deleted member 4999]

Well, building muscle has benefits other than slaying, like strength, respect and intimidation, health in some cases. The thing is I'd never be able to live with myself thinking how people are getting x10 the results by using steroids.

I could care less about getting respect from other guys and intimidating them. In the end having females be attracted to you is the ultimate goal and working out isn’t gonna change the genetics you were given from birth.

 

[Deleted member 7448]

Most guys who lift for many years fail to build a decent physique. That's the norm. Building a good physique without drugs is insanely rare.

Hmm, I was afraid to say that since people would have called me naive or something, but I absolutely agree. Without steroids building a good physique is nearly impossible, natty bodybuilders basically have just a little muscle and get to really low body fat so it seems slightly better.

 

[Deleted member 4999]

well, gymaxxing is legit if you have a normie face and normal frame tbh

No. If you have a good face you have a good face there’s no in between. Your face is either good or it’s not.

 

[Deleted member 7448]

What are better results though?
Do you think

is better than

?

Because you'd be wrong, at least as far as foids go.

2nd guy is basically just low body fat, nothing impressive.

 

[Deleted member 6753]

steroids are cope tbh you must have elite genes to look good on roids, some people only get the bad side effects like brutal acne and don't grow at all

YES.

this guy is the average steroid abuser in the US. he admitted to it.

 

[Blacktarpill]

If you take it as a self improvement hobby, it can be fun.

 

[mylifeistrash]

Hmm, I was afraid to say that since people would have called me naive or something, but I absolutely agree. Without steroids building a good physique is nearly impossible, natty bodybuilders basically have just a little muscle and get to really low body fat so it seems slightly better.

Only natty's who look decent just have huge bones / frames covered with small amounts of natty gains, which makes them look not awful when lean.

But their physique is mostly just their bones.

 

[Angry_runt]

2nd guy is basically just low body fat, nothing impressive.

That's the male perspective.
From a female perspective (unless she has a muscle fetish, and most foids don't) the 2nd guy's body would typically be seen as more attractive. For what a good body is worth to foids (not much), they'd rather have a low body fat guy with moderate muscles than a roided up bodybuilder type.
This is coming from a 15 year experience lifting but even without that it should be obvious. Name one roided up romantic lead in a chick movie. You can't. Titanic didn't star Schwarzenegger and 50 Shades of Grey didn't star The Rock because foids just aren't into that.

 

[Deleted member 7448]

YES.

this guy is the average steroid abuser in the US. he admitted to it.

He looks like that ON steroids? Shit, being natty is entirely pointless then, busting your ass off for years to look even worse than that guy?

 

[Deleted member 6753]

He looks like that ON steroids? Shit, being natty is entirely pointless then, busting your ass off for years to look even worse than that guy?

this is upper tier aesthetics for a natural who trains for 15 years.



watching this guys videos depresses me tbh, knowing that this is literally better than "as good as it gets" for most people natty.

 

[Deleted member 7448]

That's the male perspective.
From a female perspective (unless she has a muscle fetish, and most foids don't) the 2nd guy's body would typically be seen as more attractive. For what a good body is worth to foids (not much), they'd rather have a low body fat guy with moderate muscles than a roided up bodybuilder type.
This is coming from a 15 year experience lifting but even without that it should be obvious. Name one roided up romantic lead in a chick movie. You can't. Titanic didn't star Schwarzenegger and 50 Shades of Grey didn't star The Rock because foids just aren't into that.

Yeah, you're probably right. The problem is that the 2nd guy is entirely genetics. That physique wouldn't look good if not for that face. Also, getting your abs to be that pronounced requires pretty low body fat, that's hard to get for a lot of guys who are predisposed to being fat.

 

[Damo the incel]

this is upper tier aesthetics for a natural who trains for 15 years.



watching this guys videos depresses me tbh, knowing that this is literally better than "as good as it gets" for most people natty.

After training naturally for about 5 years you will have achieved most of what you are going to gain naturally, look up eric bugenhagen, he's natty and impressively strong and aesthetic

 

[Deleted member 6753]

After training naturally for about 5 years you will have achieved most of what you are going to gain naturally, look up eric bugenhagen, he's natty and impressively strong and aesthetic

dude you are delusional if you think Eric is natural OMG

 

[Damo the incel]

dude you are delusional if you think Eric is natural OMG

I've been following him for ages and he practically looks the same,

 

[Deleted member 6753]

I've been following him for ages and he practically looks the same,

sorry bro but you are far too optimistic for the strength and size someone can be drug free. he looks the same because he was on stuff to begin with. im not going to continue arguing as you are clearly a fanboy and wont be convinced no matter how obvious it is.

 

[Damo the incel]

sorry bro but you are far too optimistic for the strength and size someone can be drug free. he looks the same because he was on stuff to begin with. im not going to continue arguing as you are clearly a fanboy and wont be convinced no matter how obvious it is.

How tf am I a fan boy? You are literally the one who posted alec crying saying it depresses you that that's the best you can achieve naturally and then when I show you someone else you just claim steroids

 

[NotQuiteChadLite]

Well, building muscle has benefits other than slaying, like strength, respect and intimidation, health in some cases. The thing is I'd never be able to live with myself thinking how people are getting x10 the results by using steroids.

I suppose that is true, but I make $300 a month in this shithole country so there's no way I can afford them.

steroids
health

Thanks for laugh OP.

 

[Subhuman Gamercel]

Gymceling is another cope. Also makes me feel less shitty when eating since I am "rewarding" my body for the effort.

 

[Deleted member 7448]

Thanks for laugh OP.

I was referring to building muscle in general, not steroids in that particular post. Nice reading comprehension.

 

[NotQuiteChadLite]

I was referring to building muscle in general, not steroids in that particular post. Nice reading comprehension.

Building muscle aka 5 years of strict diet and exercise and the right genetics. Aka, completely pointless endeavor. Really good advice.

 

[Deleted member 16455]

If you take it as a self improvement hobby, it can be fun.

 

[Michael15651]

I gave up several times.

 

[HueHueBr]

Steroids are useless for those who have fine wrists. Even those who use steroids have a muscle gain limit that is related to the thickness of their bones. Depending on your case, you will never reach the muscle mass level of a natural chad even with the use of steroids.

In addition, there are men who are more tolerant to steroids than others. Everyone knows that steroids cause serious hormonal disorders in the long run, and they reduce your life expectancy. What most do not know is that some men suffer fewer side effects than others, and this has to do with genetic predisposition to diseases.

In other words, you, incel, with distorted genetics, have gigantic tendencies to die quickly if you use steroids. All of your genetic junk would come out quickly, and instead of a giant body, all you'll get will be the rest of your life locked up in a hospital spending your family's money.

 

[diogenes]

Gymceling natty is cope and depressing.

 

[mylifeistrash]

Steroids are useless for those who have fine wrists. Even those who use steroids have a muscle gain limit that is related to the thickness of their bones. Depending on your case, you will never reach the muscle mass level of a natural chad even with the use of steroids.

In addition, there are men who are more tolerant to steroids than others. Everyone knows that steroids cause serious hormonal disorders in the long run, and they reduce your life expectancy. What most do not know is that some men suffer fewer side effects than others, and this has to do with genetic predisposition to diseases.

In other words, you, incel, with distorted genetics, have gigantic tendencies to die quickly if you use steroids. All of your genetic junk would come out quickly, and instead of a giant body, all you'll get will be the rest of your life locked up in a hospital spending your family's money.

High IQ about the bones part. Thin boned guys are fucked and to need a shit ton of juice to hold a decent amount of muscle.

Bones are why I see asian guys struggle to bench press 25 lbs on each side of the bar but I see a 60 something lady do it for like 15 reps.

 

[anon]

Abs don't matter, your bicep size doesn't matter. Roided up guys with sub6 faces are creep rapists to women.
Low body fat is all that matters if you want to increase your sexual attractiveness because it affects your face. At the end of the day none of that really matters if your face is not sexually attractive. If you're already very lean and your face is unattractive it truly is over. No amount of muscle will help.
If you have a normie face or a babyface and you're not 10-12% body fat, focus on losing as much fat as possible and train your neck to make it bigger. Don't fall for the bulk meme. Lifting is fine and you should definitely lift while cutting/dieting, but bulking is a massive meme if you're natty.
Bulking as a natty = getting fat. Never go above 15% body fat. If you have to bulk, stick to 100-200kcal surplus at most. Don't fall for the gomad bullshit.

Basically, you only want to focus on your face. Do what's good for your facial aesthetics. If you're above 15% body fat, you know what you have to do.
Obviously if you're extremely skinny and look like a 12 year old nerd, you want to gain some muscle, but don't dirty bulk.