Blackpill Notice how anything that increases the probability of ugly men reproducing is seen as immoral?

[Fontaine]

> sex tourism: exploitation, manipulation, domination, pedophilia, selfishness

> moneymaxxing: greed, cupidity, Mammon, "easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go to Heaven"

> looksmaxxing: vanity

> statusmaxxing: vanity, pride

Only behavior that isn't immoral as an ugly man is bluepill behavior, which is very unlikely to lead to actual romantic success, and admitting it's over...

I just find it funny how Christian morals and popular morals now both agree to hurt even more the chances of ugly men (already very low) on the sexual market.

Christianity used to help ugly men reproduce, but now it's the exact contrary. Modern Christianity is actually far more lenient on lust and fornication than on greed, a trend that was introduced by Dante in his Inferno.

 

[Crustaciouse]

Men disliking their appearance and wanting serious changes to it = body dysmorphia and he needs a therapist.
Woman putting on pounds of makeup whenever they go out and sometimes even while they are inside to hide their true appearance = completely normal

 

[BornSubhuman]

But the funny thing is that ugly women will create ugly men...

Ugly women getting chad is seen as a good thing...

What they really want is ugly men to be cuckold beta providers...

And Chad and tyrone to be the sperm provider.... And the cuck to be the dad of a ugly bastard incel...

lol

This is the jew agenda...

 

[incel4layf]

It makes sense tho. Ugly men shouldn't reproduce based on evolution, a gigachad impregnating 100's of women makes more sense as he has the superior genes. But as humans seperated itself from other animals, it started to see itself as another lifeform. It is not easy to accept you want to fuck someone just because of your animal urges, so society started to find another excuses why ugly men shouldn't reproduce.

Here are the same "immoral" values if a good looking guy does them:
sex tourism: if Chad does it he is adventurous and wants to try different women
moneymaxxing: who doesn't like a man with looks AND money?
looksmaxxing: no one bats an eye when Chad has huge muscles, but if a manlet has them he is trying so had.
statusmaxxing: same as moneymaxxing

 

[Fontaine]

Men disliking their appearance and wanting serious changes to it = body dysmorphia and he needs a therapist.
Woman putting on pounds of makeup whenever they go out and sometimes even while they are inside to hide their true appearance = completely normal

There is definitely a double standard on this in the medical community. As a man, you're not supposed to complain about your looks. Any such concern is seen as ridiculous or vain.

It makes sense tho. Ugly men shouldn't reproduce based on evolution, a gigachad impregnating 100's of women makes more sense as he has the superior genes. But as humans seperated itself from other animals, it started to see itself as another lifeform. It is not easy to accept you want to fuck someone just because of your animal urges, so society started to find another excuses why ugly men shouldn't reproduce.

I think a lot of "morality" stems from very selfish goals that most people never become conscious of

E.g. a woman who disapproves of sex tourism out of concern for the well-being of poor women is probably just personally disgusted at the perspective of an ugly man polluting the gene pool or screwing her

Morality is the most fascinating intellectual subject to me. You basically have two main perspectives on it

> The Darwinian perspective: morality is a continuation of selfishness through other means (to paraphrase Clausewitz). Best exemplified by Dawkins' book The Selfish Gene, Yuval Noah Harari's Sapiens, Nietzsche's philosophy, or this blog (everything is a bloody struggle for life and status, and every moral statement is hypocrisy or plausible deniability)

> The Abrahamic perspective: there is objective morality. Can be pretty convincing sometimes, but has flaws. The Bible viewpoint on homosexuals or infinite punishment for finite sin is pretty controversial from an ethical perspective.

 

[Ihatereddit]

There is definitely a double standard on this in the medical community. As a man, you're not supposed to complain about your looks. Any such concern is seen as ridiculous or vain.

I think a lot of "morality" stems from very selfish goals that most people never become conscious of

E.g. a woman who disapproves of sex tourism out of concern for the well-being of poor women is probably just personally disgusted at the perspective of an ugly man polluting the gene pool or screwing her

Women are inherently disgusted at sub8 male sexuality. Sexbots, anime, porn, etc are not nearly as "immoral" as prostitution, but women still hate them. Not because of competition, that's MGTOW cope, they just want sub8s to be asexual NPCs.

 

[uglylifematters]

tbh It seems like a lot of morality is just a sort of mental conditioning to get those who are at the bottom to accept their fate. Those who have power (socially, politically, ect.) are usually the most immoral people you'll ever meet once their true nature is exposed. think women, politicians, celebrities.

 

[Ignas]

Anything we do is seen as immoral

 

[Fontaine]

Women are inherently disgusted at sub8 male sexuality. Sexbots, anime, porn, etc are not nearly as "immoral" as prostitution, but women still hate them. Not because of competition, that's MGTOW cope, they just want sub8s to be asexual NPCs.

Pretty much, yes. Porn and masturbation are now socially accepted, even by some feminist currents, in great part because they are seen as a "lesser evil" by women: by sacrificing a few women to the lusty sight of ugly men, their sexuality is taken out of sight and their frustration is less of a threat.

tbh It seems like a lot of morality is just a sort of mental conditioning to get those who are at the bottom to accept their fate.

That's a Marxist/cynical view of morality. I can't say I disagree, but it's more complicated.

 

[11gaijin]

Anything we do is seen as immoral

 

[Fontaine]

Anything we do is seen as immoral

Pretty much. Except a self-sacrificial life. I think the only case in which an ugly man could be admired by the masses in modern times is through extraordinary achievement in the fields of science or arts, or through extraordinary altruism and self-denial.

I feel a lot of incel angst comes from this: society expects them to be heroes and saints, ants sacrificing themselves for the colony, cogs working tirelessly in exchange for nothing, but most men cannot be heroes or saints.

 

[Tallcel]

Don't forget how all the drugs one can take to crack social barriers are also considered immoral when taken in amounts large enough to have an effect on incels.

Porn is frowned upon and once hidden away in special sex shops and theaters. Romance novels describing the details of sexual intercourse have always been allowed on the supermarket book and magazine rack.

 

[Deleted member 10124]

> sex tourism: exploitation, manipulation, domination, pedophilia, selfishness

> moneymaxxing: greed, cupidity, Mammon, "easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go to Heaven"

> looksmaxxing: vanity

> statusmaxxing: vanity, pride

Only behavior that isn't immoral as an ugly man is bluepill behavior, which is very unlikely to lead to actual romantic success, and admitting it's over...

I just find it funny how Christian morals and popular morals now both agree to hurt even more the chances of ugly men (already very low) on the sexual market.

Christianity used to help ugly men reproduce, but now it's the exact contrary. Modern Christianity is actually far more lenient on lust and fornication than on greed, a trend that was introduced by Dante in his Inferno.

 

[Fontaine]

Don't forget how all the drugs one can take to crack social barriers are also considered immoral when taken in amounts large enough to have an effect on incels.

Also true. All psychoactive drugs are badly seen -- it's funny how this "concern for your health" coalesces with the impossibility of using effective artificial trickery to lower your inhibition (and thus increase your chances of reproduction) as a low-value male.

Is the whole edifice of morality and law an attempt at preventing ugly men from passing on their genes?

Sometimes you have to wonder -- for instance when you see that psychoactive drugs that have been demonstrated as completely harmless are still Schedule 1 drugs, while alcohol, a poison, is legal.

 

[Tallcel]

Also true. All psychoactive drugs are badly seen -- it's funny how this "concern for your health" coalesces with the impossibility of using effective artificial trickery to lower your inhibition (and thus increase your chances of reproduction) as a low-value male.

Is the whole edifice of morality and law an attempt at preventing ugly men from passing on their genes?

Sometimes you have to wonder -- for instance when you see that psychoactive drugs that have been demonstrated as completely harmless are still Schedule 1 drugs, while alcohol, a poison, is legal.

Even alcohol had prohibition and most medical websites will advise against it in any substantial dosage. It is a pretty shitty drug that only gives one a limited amount of control once they have lost inhibition, but good for parties and augmenting other drugs.

 

[VincentVanCope]

Newton level IQ post tbh

 

[Fontaine]

Newton level IQ post tbh

I'm unironically thinking I may be onto something big: modern morality and laws are so much oriented against ugly men that it can't entirely be a coincidence

 

[Tallcel]

I'm unironically thinking I may be onto something big: modern morality and laws are so much oriented against ugly men that it can't entirely be a coincidence

Deeper than that. Men value sex highly, so men without sex produce more stress hormones when they are denied any. People speculate that some hyperdimensional alien races feed off these hormones, which is why there was ritual sacrifice, torture, and massive periodic warfare to the "gods" throughout history. Incels are the Uriahs and chads are the Davids. We can be sent off to war at any time to be cannon fodder so king Chad can take women from us. We are scum.

 

[Fontaine]

Deeper than that. Men value sex highly, so men without sex produce more stress hormones when they are denied any. People speculate that some hyperdimensional alien races feed off these hormones, which is why there was ritual sacrifice, torture, and massive periodic warfare to the "gods" throughout history. Incels are the Uriahs and chads are the Davids. We can be sent off to war at any time to be cannon fodder so king Chad can take women from us. We are scum.

It wasn't like that for most of recorded history, though -- in the Middle Ages, every man could get a wife unless he was both extremely deformed and extremely poor

The phenomenon of Christianity turning against ugly men is very recent, and actually quite interesting from a philosophical perspective

 

[Tallcel]

It wasn't like that for most of recorded history, though -- in the Middle Ages, every man could get a wife unless he was both extremely deformed and extremely poor

The phenomenon of Christianity turning against ugly men is very recent, and actually quite interesting from a philosophical perspective

Maybe. Religion has taken a drastic change for the worse. If you look at the Sumerian tale of Gilgamesh, the uncouth, barbaric and even beastly Enkidu was taken under hyperchad Gilgamesh's wing, and given temple hookers and booze to loosen him up to become more human. The fact that there was ever temple prostitution and that it lasted for thousands of years is a sign to me that Christianity is of the real devil that hates incels (and human progression in general), while paganism was more about helping people ascend.

Christianity and other Abrahamic faiths tell one they are nothing to be a slave for eternity. All relationships are "till death do us part" so we are all incels in "heaven" to serve God forever. Pagans saw gods as approachable and thought it was possible to become gods themselves somehow. Hallucinogenic drugs and wine were seen as gifts from the gods to unite with gods and see their world. Christian and Islamic societies are heavily against chemical use to ascend both spiritually and sexually, or just to have fun.

The "protestant work ethic" gave lead to wage slavery, 9 to 5 schedules, and less freedom in general. I think if Abrahamic faiths can be dropped for good, we can get back to a more sane civilization. Sadly, I think powers beyond human are behind this. I've gone way too far into the ayy rabbit hole.

 

[Fontaine]

Maybe. Religion has taken a drastic change for the worse. If you look at the Sumerian tale of Gilgamesh, the uncouth, barbaric and even beastly Enkidu was taken under hyperchad Gilgamesh's wing, and given temple hookers and booze to loosen him up to become more human. The fact that there was ever temple prostitution and that it lasted for thousands of years is a sign to me that Christianity is of the real devil that hates incels (and human progression in general), while paganism was more about helping people ascend.

Christianity and other Abrahamic faiths tell one they are nothing to be a slave for eternity. All relationships are "till death do us part" so we are all incels in "heaven" to serve God forever. Pagans saw gods as approachable and thought it was possible to become gods themselves somehow. Hallucinogenic drugs and wine were seen as gifts from the gods to unite with gods and see their world. Christian and Islamic societies are heavily against chemical use to ascend both spiritually and sexually, or just to have fun.

The "protestant work ethic" gave lead to wage slavery, 9 to 5 schedules, and less freedom in general. I think if Abrahamic faiths can be dropped for good, we can get back to a more sane civilization. Sadly, I think powers beyond human are behind this. I've gone way too far into the ayy rabbit hole.

What you write is very interesting, and I don't entirely disagree. I think Christianity is a very dangerous substance, in the sense that its totalitarian and restrictive morals can easily backfire on those they previously served.

You clearly see this right now -- I'll be frank, I honestly think Christianity is, in its current form and social practice, a strong enemy of incels and ugly men. It forbids greed (aka moneymaxxing), looks down upon plastic surgery, and is against transhumanism. In the meanwhile, it turns a blind eye to widespread fornication and female hypergamy. Quite a sad turn of event really.

 

[Tallcel]

What you write is very interesting, and I don't entirely disagree. I think Christianity is a very dangerous substance, in the sense that its totalitarian and restrictive morals can easily backfire on those they previously served.

You clearly see this right now -- I'll be frank, I honestly think Christianity is, in its current form and social practice, a strong enemy of incels and ugly men. It forbids greed (aka moneymaxxing), looks down upon plastic surgery, and is against transhumanism. In the meanwhile, it turns a blind eye to widespread fornication and female hypergamy. Quite a sad turn of event really.

Transhumanism and technocracy would be the right way to go. It could get a little boring since we could all become clones of each other, but I think there is a pretty varied range of "attractive" looks. Inceldom would go extinct if science was allowed to upgrade humans and correct errors. No poor, no ugly, no sinners, and no incels - A Christian's worst nightmare. They must have someone beneath them to patronize and earn saint points.

 

[Deleted member 10124]

Men disliking their appearance and wanting serious changes to it = body dysmorphia and he needs a therapist.
Woman putting on pounds of makeup whenever they go out and sometimes even while they are inside to hide their true appearance = completely normal

Anything we do is seen as immoral

It makes sense tho. Ugly men shouldn't reproduce based on evolution, a gigachad impregnating 100's of women makes more sense as he has the superior genes. But as humans seperated itself from other animals, it started to see itself as another lifeform. It is not easy to accept you want to fuck someone just because of your animal urges, so society started to find another excuses why ugly men shouldn't reproduce.

Here are the same "immoral" values if a good looking guy does them:
sex tourism: if Chad does it he is adventurous and wants to try different women
moneymaxxing: who doesn't like a man with looks AND money?
looksmaxxing: no one bats an eye when Chad has huge muscles, but if a manlet has them he is trying so had.
statusmaxxing: same as moneymaxxing

Women are inherently disgusted at sub8 male sexuality. Sexbots, anime, porn, etc are not nearly as "immoral" as prostitution, but women still hate them. Not because of competition, that's MGTOW cope, they just want sub8s to be asexual NPCs.

THIS

tbh It seems like a lot of morality is just a sort of mental conditioning to get those who are at the bottom to accept their fate. Those who have power (socially, politically, ect.) are usually the most immoral people you'll ever meet once their true nature is exposed. think politicians, celebrities.

 

[Fontaine]

Transhumanism and technocracy would be the right way to go. It could get a little boring since we could all become clones of each other, but I think there is a pretty varied range of "attractive" looks. Inceldom would go extinct if science was allowed to upgrade humans and correct errors. No poor, no ugly, no sinners, and no incels - A Christian's worst nightmare. They must have someone beneath them to patronize and earn saint points.

When one of my language teachers showed us Gattaca in middle school, I was probably the only one in the classroom to see the world depicted as absolutely great

You're also not wrong for what I've put in bold. Many Christians are suspiciously horrified by transhumanism, when they should on the contrary embrace it to reduce the incidence of sin (since sin most often derives from unhappiness)

 

[Tallcel]

When one of my language teachers showed us Gattaca in middle school, I was probably the first in the classroom to see the world depicted as absolutely great

You're also not wrong for what I've put in bold. Many Christians are suspiciously horrified by transhumanism, when they should on the contrary embrace it to reduce the incidence of sin (since sin most often derives from unhappiness)

That movie sounds interesting. Most scifi makes eugenics seem (((evil))), but it is objectively for the best future for all of us. People just like to kid themselves that the rare idiot savant is worth allowing defects to exist. Sure these cases are fascinating studies on human capacity, but for the most part these people are unfit for independent living and must be cared for at all times. Besides, even with eugenics, some defects and interesting mutations are bound to occur. Meanwhile, for the rest of transhumanity, everyone will be "blessed" with untold talents and technology will progress at light speed with all the inventors and geniuses.

 

[Deleted member 10124]

As a Manlet I can testify to this. Everyone thinks I'm gay or asexual or I should be those.

Heaven forbid that I confess I've Escortcelled BECAUSE AN INCEL IS NEVER SUPPOSE TO HAVE ANY SORT OF PHYSICAL CONTACT EVER !!!

So sayeth the landwhale LARPing lesbian leftincels Radfemincels, the SJW foid leftincels and their Soy Boy allies (who are also Incels).

 

[Tallcel]

As a Manlet I can testify to this. Everyone thinks I'm gay or asexual or I should be those.

Heaven forbid that I confess I've Escortcelled BECAUSE AN INCEL IS NEVER SUPPOSE TO HAVE ANY SORT OF PHYSICAL CONTACT EVER !!!

So sayeth the landwhale LARPing lesbian leftincels Radfemincels, the SJW foid leftincels and their Soy Boy allies (who are also Incels).

I don't think it's fair to say all pure virgins are larping. Some like me just don't know how to use escort services and think any sexual experience, no matter how distant in the past or how much was paid, is still more than they have.

I was mistaken that incel meant virgin. I'm starting to see how you can luck out once and then go on a decades-long dry spell. That's something akin to forced loneliness and virginity, but you still have a record in your memory banks of the event. From this you can formulate realistic sex dreams. I can't even picture the act of sex in my mind so I never dream about it. A lot of my wet dreams (when I used to have them) were from masturbating in my dreams. Forgive me for not thinking my state and the state of sex-havers is the same exact one.

 

[swampman]

I wonder what would happen if an extremely intelligent, but ugly truecel tried to donate sperm to a sperm bank. How would that conversation go? Someone should do an experiment.

 

[TemporaryBritcel]

Men disliking their appearance and wanting serious changes to it = body dysmorphia and he needs a therapist.
Woman putting on pounds of makeup whenever they go out and sometimes even while they are inside to hide their true appearance = completely normal

 

[Konon]

But why isn't a 2/10 shitface woman reproducing also seen as normal, when their child is going to get their subhuman genes too?

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

Not only that but if an ugly man just LDARs and plays video games, watches anime or whatever, he's still shit on for being a "selfish loser neckbeard" or whatever.

Everything ugly men do is wrong.

 

[diogenes]

It's simple evolutionary behavior. Society doesn't want shitty genetic-having males to breed.

 

[Tallcel]

It's simple evolutionary behavior. Society doesn't want shitty genetic-having males to breed.

But femoids with shitty genetics still breed so it continues

 

[Zyros]

Women are inherently disgusted at sub8 male sexuality. Sexbots, anime, porn, etc are not nearly as "immoral" as prostitution, but women still hate them. Not because of competition, that's MGTOW cope, they just want sub8s to be asexual NPCs.

 

[Fontaine]

It's simple evolutionary behavior. Society doesn't want shitty genetic-having males to breed.

What's absolutely fascinating is how this cruel behavior is laid down in convincing moral terms -- "I hate you and want you to disappear, but you're actually the real evil guy there"; I wonder the extent to which all of human morality is a fraud.

I should give Nietzsche and Max Stirner a new read. The older I grow, the more interested I become in issues of morality. I am convinced they are absolutely central -- political issues are always laid down in moral terms, for instance.

 

[Limerencel]

Fuck the haters. Just do you.
Plasticsurgerymaxx, moneymaxx, Thailandmaxx. Everythingmaxx!!

 

[diogenes]

What's absolutely fascinating is how this cruel behavior is laid down in convincing moral terms -- "I hate you and want you to disappear, but you're actually the real evil guy there"; I wonder the extent to which all of human morality is a fraud.

I should give Nietzsche and Max Stirner a new read. The older I grow, the more interested I become in issues of morality. I am convinced they are absolutely central -- political issues are always laid down in moral terms, for instance.

Stirner was right. Just do whatever the fuck benefits you.