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Blackpill No Autonomy

Everything is physical.
That is why it is unbearable. Without the material realm things would almost certainly be better. You wouldn't even be able to "sin" as the Christians say, because everything that is deemed as sinful comes from the body for the most part.
 
Down to the very detail of our being. It is no coincidence that we were born in this exact time, in this exact place.

That is why there is a god who created all of this.

None of it is random. All of it serves a purpose. Though none of it is for our benefit.
I believe there is suffering and we have our problems because of the original sin of the first humans Adam and Eve and the continual rebellion of man against God. Also Satan loves hurting man and trying to turn us away from God. But God (Jesus) loves us and wants to have a deep relationship with us.
 
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I believe there is suffering and we have our problems because of the original sin of the first humans Adam and Eve and the continual rebellion of man against God. Also Satan loves hurting man and trying to turn us away from God. But God (Jesus) loves us and wants to have a deep relationship with us.
Cope
 
Earlier you said "We can't lose hope." To me it's not cope, but hope. I don’t see God as cruel. If He wanted to hurt us, He wouldn’t have sent Jesus to suffer with us and for us. To me that shows He isn’t distant or indifferent—He actually stepped into the same pain we go through.
 
Earlier you said "We can't lose hope." To me it's not cope, but hope. I don’t see God as cruel. If He wanted to hurt us, He wouldn’t have sent Jesus to suffer with us and for us. To me that shows He isn’t distant or indifferent—He actually stepped into the same pain we go through.
Then why would he send people to a lake of fire to spend all of eternity?
 
Then why would he send people to a lake of fire to spend all of eternity?
That's a fair question, and honestly one I’ve been thinking about myself lately. The Bible teaches that hell exists because we can’t enter God’s presence in our sinful state. That’s why Jesus came and died on the cross, so our sins could be forgiven and we could be restored to God instead of separated from Him. Some Christians (including many of the earliest ones in the first few centuries of Christianity) didn’t see hell as eternal but more like a temporary purification, and I’ve been reading That All Shall Be Saved by philosopher and religious studies scholar David Bentley Hart which goes into that view.

The book argues that belief in eternal hell wasn't the dominant view among early Christians and that several major early church fathers especially in the Greek-speaking East affirmed some form of universal salvation (apokatastasis) or at least non-eternal punishment. Basically today's Christians may be misinterpreting certain verses in the Bible about hell being eternal. There's also a subreddit for Christians who don't believe in eternal hell (Christian Universalists). Either way, the hope is the same: God doesn’t want us lost, He wants us to have life with Him through Jesus.
 
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That's a fair question, and honestly one I’ve been thinking about myself lately. The Bible teaches that hell exists because we can’t enter God’s presence in our sinful state. That’s why Jesus came and died on the cross, so our sins could be forgiven and we could be restored to God instead of separated from Him. Some Christians (including many of the earliest ones in the first few centuries of Christianity) didn’t see hell as eternal but more like a temporary purification, and I’ve been reading That All Shall Be Saved by philosopher and religious studies scholar David Bentley Hart which goes into that view.

The book argues that belief in eternal hell wasn't the dominant view among early Christians and that several major early church fathers especially in the Greek-speaking East affirmed some form of universal salvation (apokatastasis) or at least non-eternal punishment. Basically today's Christians may be misinterpreting certain verses in the Bible about hell being eternal. There's also a subreddit for Christians who don't believe in eternal hell (Christian Universalists). Either way, the hope is the same: God doesn’t want us lost, He wants us to have life with Him through Jesus.
Even if it isn't eternal, punishing people in such a way is still cruel and evil.

It's either you follow what is told or you suffer the consequences. Doesn't sound very loving to me.

And if God sent his only son to die in such a painful way just to cover up for his own creation then it literally makes no sense.

I'm tired of being blamed for something that I had no part in doing. I didn't choose to come here. To suffer all of this pain and agony for nothing.

God knew what he was creating before he even started making it. He knew it would turn out this way, and he didn't do a thing to stop it.

Now children are getting raped, people are committing violent acts against each other, most people are drugged up because of how cruel this world is to bear.

Jesus may have died for my sins, but he did not stop the suffering in this world.
 
Even if it isn't eternal, punishing people in such a way is still cruel and evil.

It's either you follow what is told or you suffer the consequences. Doesn't sound very loving to me.

And if God sent his only son to die in such a painful way just to cover up for his own creation then it literally makes no sense.

I'm tired of being blamed for something that I had no part in doing. I didn't choose to come here. To suffer all of this pain and agony for nothing.

God knew what he was creating before he even started making it. He knew it would turn out this way, and he didn't do a thing to stop it.

Now children are getting raped, people are committing violent acts against each other, most people are drugged up because of how cruel this world is to bear.

Jesus may have died for my sins, but he did not stop the suffering in this world.
I hear you and your feelings make sense. The amount of suffering in the world is awful, and Christians aren’t called to pretend it’s not. The Bible itself is full of people crying out to God (Job for example), asking Him the same questions you’re asking. What gives me hope is that God didn’t stand far off from all this pain, He entered into it. Jesus was betrayed, beaten, and killed in the cruelest way, and He didn't do it to cover up His mistake, but to show the depth of His love for us and to defeat sin and death from the inside.

As I said I believe suffering exists because of man deciding to sin and rebel against God (combined with man's stupidity like drunk driving for example). The Bible promises that one day when Jesus returns there will be no more tears, no more death, and no more suffering for believers (Revelation 21:4 "And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away"). I don’t have all the answers for why God allows every suffering, but I know He promises it won’t always be this way. Suffering and evil don’t get the last word. The cross shows God is not indifferent, and the resurrection shows He has the power to set everything right.
 
Everything is just fate
 

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