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Neijuan: omnipresent hyper-competitiveness. (A must read post)

My nigga, I'm mirin your avatar. I love Lelouch
 
No, fuck that shit. Hyper-competitiveness is literally just like cancer, which itself is unchecked cellular growth that spirals out of control. Hyper-competitiveness is the cancer of every competitive domain.
Hyper-competitiveness IS bad. No two ways about it. It leads to immoral behaviors. All the innovators succeed because of the freedom they are afforded. Hyper competitiveness, on the other hand, locks you into a rigid framework.
You guys are right, I regret wording that part the way I did. I should have instead said:

"None of this is to say competition in general is inherently bad. Some fields benefit from some amount of competition, but competition isn't something that should be everywhere all the time, and hyper-competitiveness is always bad."

And you guys are correct to point out that hyper-competitiveness leads to immoral behaviors. The more hellbent someone is on achieving a certain outcome, the less likely they are to care about how they ultimately get there, which means they'll be far more likely to toss aside things like ethics and morality. This leads to things like sucking up to higher-ups (brown-nosing) to gain favorability, sabotaging others, spreading rumors in an attempt to damage other people's reputations, etc. These things only serve to benefit the individual at the expense of everything and everyone else.

And at the corporate level it's even worse. So much of what megacorps do revolves around sourcing the cheapest labor possible, exploiting as many tax loopholes as possible to minimize tax obligations as much as possible, and doing whatever they can to qualify for as much in government subsidies as possible. Not to mention quietly cutting expenses in a way that screws over consumers (see: shrinkflation). And worst of all, giving political "donations" (which are functionally bribes) so that politicians will pass and maintain laws that are favorable towards them. Because the motivation behind the donation is unspoken (but understood by both parties) it's technically not a "bribe" by the legal definition.

1: this is why you must punish cheaters and people who push boundaries too much.
Frankly the latter (pushing boundaries too much) is FAR more nefarious than explicit cheaters. Cheaters are much easier to call out because you can easily point out the rule/law that was violated and how they violated it. When someone is a boundary pusher or someone who violates the spirit of a rule in a way in which they can argue they were "technically" within the boundaries of the rules as they are written, it makes it much more difficult to call them out. It requires too much explaining and it's too easy for the boundary pusher to play "rules lawyer", or just make it seem like you're being a silly, or a conspiracy theorist, or that you have some sort of personal vendetta against them and you're grasping for straws as a way to get them. The audience is far more likely to side with them over you.

I realize this is getting off topic a bit, but this is why "lies of omission" are by far the worst types of lies, far more than absurd tall tales. When someone makes a lie of omission, they do everything in their power to imply a certain thing (that's actually a falsehood) is true, and intentionally leave out a critical detail that would dramatically change the narrative. They do this as insurance for if they get caught, after which they can claim "ACKSHUALLY, I never TECHNIKLEE said that" and act like it's YOUR fault for interpreting things that way when that was their intention from the start.

Getting back to the boundary pushing, this is something I've seen from some users here. It's a small minority, but some clearly try to push the envelope as much as possible and violate the spirit of some rules (common examples are bragging, bluepilled posts, and racebaiting) and it's obvious they went out of their way to write them so it ostensibly appears to be within the boundaries of the rules. Another thing I noticed is some people try to game the warning system. They know warnings expire so they'll break the rules, then when they're at 60 percent or so, they'll behave for a while, then once they're back to zero percent they'll break the same exact rules again. Like they treat a "0 percent" current warning level as a free pass to break the rules a couple times without facing any real repercussions. So you end up with users who have 20+ warnings, yet conveniently they never went over 60 percent. As a moderator, I make it a point to hit these people who game the system like this extra hard.

But the sad reality is that for any system that has a set of rules, there will be people out there who spend a lot of time aspie-analyzing them and looking for ways to game the system. So much of the law is full of autistic shit like this. A lot of what lawyers do is try to get their clients off on a technicality and on the other side of the coin, a lot of police officers look for excuses to arrest people who aren't hurting anyone and a lot of prosecutors do everything they can to prevent exculpatory evidence from being admitted into court, often on some bullshit technicality. This is part of the reason why the law is so absurdly overcomplicated and vast. There are so many laws, and the laws are so long, we have dozens of different types of lawyers because no one person could ever hope to understand more than one small category of law. Part of this is because someone exploits a legal loophole, then the loophole gets "patched" then the same types of people aspie-analyze it to figure out a way to keep doing the very thing that the law was very clearly designed to prevent in the first place. Then they patch it again and try to come up with a provision for every scenario they can possibly think of, and it goes on and on.

I think an ideal society would have a simplified law, something that could fit in a reasonably sized book. And that book would encompass every facet of the law. The rules wouldn't be in autistic detail, but instead make it clear what the law is intending to require or prevent. The spirit of the rule would be enforced, instead of enforcing the law to the letter, which allows retarded technicalities. Then again a lot of this isn't even a problem with the system per se , it's a people problem.
 
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How do you pronounce neijuan?

Knee Juan?
"No Señor! Please don't put your knee on my neck! Me no breath!"
 
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they're talking about the perpetual state of hyper-competitiveness in every facet of life, including basic necessities. Increased effort, increased competition, but the rewards are no better. Imagine a race where everyone is running faster and faster, yet the finish line isn't getting any closer. People are becoming turbo tryhards not even to get ahead, but simply to avoid falling behind. I know there's english words/phrases like "rat race" and "hustle culture" but none of them quite fit the bill like "neijuan". To make a sports analogy, it's like weight cutting in combat sports. Every fighter who fights at "145lbs" walks around 180lbs or more. Fighters will starve and dehydrate themselves before a weigh-in because everyone wants to fight the smallest opponents they possibly can. It's extremely unhealthy, and it's caused serious medical problems and even some deaths, and it doesn't even make the sport any better, yet everyone (aside from heavyweights) HAS to do it because everyone else is and if you don't, you'll lose every fight very quickly.
Hyper-competitiveness IS bad. No two ways about it. It leads to immoral behaviors. All the innovators succeed because of the freedom they are afforded. Hyper competitiveness, on the other hand, locks you into a rigid framework.
 
No, fuck that shit. Hyper-competitiveness is literally just like cancer, which itself is unchecked cellular growth that spirals out of control. Hyper-competitiveness is the cancer of every competitive domain. It kills the fucking thing, whatever it is, and the only ones who thrive are the ones who ironically engage in the cancerous behaviors that lead to the thing being killed and closed off for everyone but those hyper-optimizers. Job market? Dead. Dating? Dead. Online gaming. Dead.

This death will occur in every domain of competition. There will always be somebody who games it and "solves" it, then we all have to move on or get stuck trying to invest ridiculously far more energy than we will ever get out of it as fruit.

There needs to be a pruning or culling - a way of resetting the competition so that these hyper-optimizers who grind 20 hours a day for a 0.01% edge against the rest are invalidated.
Yes we need a plasma reset or apocalypse where some humans are granted enhanced bodies and minds(maybe the ones with higher consciousness) and set the new rules with a different world where "competition" starts from scratch with totally different rulesets like it used to be before the flood (with nephilims, longer lifespans, shamans, fantastic beasts etc). Modern humanity is nothing but something to reset. It sounds crazy but it's litterally the only thing worth looking forward to
 
The dating market has been cooked for years now. The effects are being felt by society now that women are negatively affected and mainstream propagandists like Scott Galloway are talking about the crisis with young men. "Men can't find jobs or a purpose, women most affected, because they can't find husbands," because the pool of eligible men have tanked, because decades of affirmative action that has led to extremely large demographic swaths of disenfranchised and aimless (purposeless) men with no future.

I vehemently detest these fucking faggots who ignore the root causes and focus on the symptoms for political and social reasons. It's career suicide to just say feminism and the like are responsible for how fucked things have gotten in society, so every Goddamn "expert" keeps their lips sealed on that and just focuses on saying the right things for the seals to clap
high awareness
 
yet its only the males that r hyper competitive due to testosterone. Foids tend to sloth around and pick the easy roads. In the end all they want is to fuck prime age pussy. Thats always been the end goal to most of male ambition.
I actually don’t have ambition for that and i do what i enjoy doing
 
I have noticed this around when I was 14 or so and have been thinking about it non-stop. That's why I simply stopped caring for anything.
Grgrgrgrgrgrrr that’s what a LOoosssseeerr would say gggrgrgrggrgrr your comfort zone need to be destroyed cold showers push upper street rage shitter grgrgrrr alpha mindsetter is the way grrrr roarrrrrr
 
yeah, what you wrote is true. everyone contends with it and every faucet of life gets shittier and shittier because of it. the worst part is that it's totally unnecessary, it's not like there isn't enough to go around for everyone to live a decent life. whether we're talking about problems of money, housing, or access to mates, the solution is for the mass of have-nots to wield their collective power against the haves and force them to fork over their excess. unfortunately most people are too retarded and proud to admit that they are have-nots, so they'll never stick up for their interests
 
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I think an ideal society would have a simplified law, something that could fit in a reasonably sized book. And that book would encompass every facet of the law. The rules wouldn't be in autistic detail, but instead make it clear what the law is intending to require or prevent. The spirit of the rule would be enforced, instead of enforcing the law to the letter, which allows retarded technicalities. Then again a lot of this isn't even a problem with the system per se , it's a people problem.
Yes this is only a symptom. As is neijuan. Competition is inevitable and since bare necessities like a roof over your head and food on your table will always be in demand, our kabbalic kike overlords exploit this by gradually upping the effort and thinning its respective reward. It’s so incredibly subtle you never catch a normie protesting it because they’ve been thoroughly brainwashed that this is natural and how it’s always been.
The example you cited of fighters is especially interesting because the skill standard for MMA has completely changed in the past three decades. Those who used to be hailed as legends back then would be unranked or not even professional in today’s market.
Everything’s been optimized to the extreme.
Overall very high IQ thread as I’d expect from you, wouldn’t have bothered reading if it was another user ngl.
 
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The example you cited of fighters is especially interesting because the skill standard for MMA has completely changed in the past three decades. Those who used to be hailed as legends back then would be unranked or not even professional in today’s market.
Everything’s been optimized to the extreme.
I'm glad you brought this up because this reminds me of something I thought about bringing up but didn't because I knew the post was going to be TL;DR enough as it was.

Yeah, back in the day, UFC fighters only knew one discipline. Royce Gracie really only knew BJJ, Ken Shamrock only knew wrestling, etc. In fact, the very first UFC event specifically advertised it with the premise being seeing fighters of different disciplines fight each other, with there being 8 fighters, each from a different discipline. Also a lot of those guys started MMA at an age that would be considered extremely late by today's standards. Shamrock was 29 in his very first MMA fight. Dan Severn was in his mid 30s in his first MMA bout. These days, that would be considered an old fighter close to retirement.

Then in the 2000s most fighters specialized in one discipline but did training in others. Like Mirko Cro Cop was primarily a kickboxer, but he trained in other disciplines a bit so he wasn't completely lost when fighting on the ground. And Bob Sapp was primarily a boxer, but he had a secondary specialty of tapping out to punches. Gotta say, even to this day he remains unmatched when it comes to that.

But now every fighter is a generic muay thai bjj wrestle-boxer. They all started training in multiple disciplines at a very young age. They're all very well-rounded, but that makes the sport a lot less interesting. This is another issue with neijuan, it leaves no room for creativity/uniqueness. Hyper-optimization leads to everything becoming uniform.

God I fucking hate neijuan so much.
 
It bothers me how much normies normalize hyper competition. You sent 100 cvs and got 0 replies? Send more. Edit your CV. Learn new skills. Train your interviewing skills. Just to get a min wage job.

You're a 27 yo guy who is fit and makes more money than most people? Make more. And hit the gym. Exercise even harder if you want a chance at a 4/10 gf.

And as someone has mentioned in videogames. I never play cod or CSGO or Tekken online or any multiplayer game because I'm consistently destroyed. Online video games have never been fun to me due to the excessive difficulty.
 
dnr can u recap @Koomersarj
 
I'm glad you brought this up because this reminds me of something I thought about bringing up but didn't because I knew the post was going to be TL;DR enough as it was.

Yeah, back in the day, UFC fighters only knew one discipline. Royce Gracie really only knew BJJ, Ken Shamrock only knew wrestling, etc. In fact, the very first UFC event specifically advertised it with the premise being seeing fighters of different disciplines fight each other, with there being 8 fighters, each from a different discipline. Also a lot of those guys started MMA at an age that would be considered extremely late by today's standards. Shamrock was 29 in his very first MMA fight. Dan Severn was in his mid 30s in his first MMA bout. These days, that would be considered an old fighter close to retirement.

Then in the 2000s most fighters specialized in one discipline but did training in others. Like Mirko Cro Cop was primarily a kickboxer, but he trained in other disciplines a bit so he wasn't completely lost when fighting on the ground. And Bob Sapp was primarily a boxer, but he had a secondary specialty of tapping out to punches. Gotta say, even to this day he remains unmatched when it comes to that.

But now every fighter is a generic muay thai bjj wrestle-boxer. They all started training in multiple disciplines at a very young age. They're all very well-rounded, but that makes the sport a lot less interesting. This is another issue with neijuan, it leaves no room for creativity/uniqueness. Hyper-optimization leads to everything becoming uniform.

God I fucking hate neijuan so much.
Yet conservatards will defend competition as a way to select Da besssstttt TaalenEenndddd when in fact today everything is hyper competitive and litterally everythint is turbo giga fucking blank shit
 
Recently I discovered a Chinese word that is laser accurate in it's description of a phenomenon/issue I've observed for a long time, that only seems to be getting worse and worse. "内卷" or "neijuan". Ignore the literal translation of the word, I won't bore you with the etymology of the word, but when Chinese use it these days, they're talking about the perpetual state of hyper-competitiveness in every facet of life, including basic necessities. Increased effort, increased competition, but the rewards are no better. Imagine a race where everyone is running faster and faster, yet the finish line isn't getting any closer. People are becoming turbo tryhards not even to get ahead, but simply to avoid falling behind. I know there's english words/phrases like "rat race" and "hustle culture" but none of them quite fit the bill like "neijuan". To make a sports analogy, it's like weight cutting in combat sports. Every fighter who fights at "145lbs" walks around 180lbs or more. Fighters will starve and dehydrate themselves before a weigh-in because everyone wants to fight the smallest opponents they possibly can. It's extremely unhealthy, and it's caused serious medical problems and even some deaths, and it doesn't even make the sport any better, yet everyone (aside from heavyweights) HAS to do it because everyone else is and if you don't, you'll lose every fight very quickly.

A few weeks ago, I remember having a conversation with a (now former) coworker, keep in mind I work in fast food. He said that he not only lied on his resume to get the job, but he also did research online and memorized a bunch of factoids and terminology related to fast food, some of which seems to be extremely esoteric, anachronistic, or shit only managers know about, because I never heard a lot of the terms he said. I remember when he first got hired he used those terms a bunch and we were all confused. He said he used those terms in his old (fictional) job. He ended up getting another job lined up, so I guess that's why he felt safe admitting this all to me. Now I know lying on resumes is nothing new, and people lie a lot in general, but this guy went through all this fucking trouble to get and keep a minimum wage part time job. Crazy thing is, he probably wouldn't have gotten the job if he didn't lie on his resume. I mentioned this before but people apply at my job everyday. We don't hire 90+ percent of the people who apply. I remember the first fast food job I got. I showed up wearing ghetto ass street clothes, they interviewed me on the spot, and hired me. Now this job requires applicants to do two interviews, and we don't even interview half the people who apply. With every job now, including fast food, you send them your resume, wait, get your first interview scheduled, then if you're one of the lucky ones, you'll move onto the second interview, then finally get hired (again, if you're lucky). I'm burnt out on working in fast food (and I REALLY hate one of the managers) and I've been applying for other jobs, that are equally low pay or very slightly higher, and I've had no luck. I remember a while back I was at an interview for a dish washing job, there were a bunch of people waiting to be interviewed before/after me, and when the lady interviewed me, she flipped through a thick stack of resumes trying to find mine. Yet boomers say there's a "labor shortage", just lol.

Also related to the job market (and neijuan) is what's happened with education. Today more young people have degrees than at any point in history. Having a higher educated population sounds good on paper, and in a hypothetical post-capitalist utopia it would be great, but in practice it's been disastrous for everyone except for employers. First, due to increased demand, tuition skyrocketed. Now so many graduates have a massive student loan debt. But now that more people have a degree, the value of having a bachelor's degree has tanked. It used to be that having a 4 year degree was pretty much a guaranteed ticket to the middle class (unless you picked a useless major) but that hasn't been the case for a very long time now. And now a lot of jobs that didn't require a degree 20 years ago, now require one. A 4 year degree is the new high school diploma, and no degree is the new registered sex offender. So it's a catch-22 if you're a young person deciding if you should go to college or not. Either you go to college, get saddled with a huge amount of student loan debt, and MAYBE eventually get into the middle class if you're lucky, or don't go to college and accept you'll be trapped at the bottom of the economic ladder for your entire life. And before anyone goes full boomer and suggests "MUH TRAAAADES!" the trades have become just as oversaturated as almost every other field. A lot of young impressionable people took this boomer advice to heart, trade schools increased their fees and many have a long wait list, and many can't find a job after getting certified. One of my coworkers is an electrician who owns his own business, I actually looked it up to see if he was bullshitting me and he's telling the truth. He said it would pay well and he wouldn't have to work this job if he could get enough clients but he can't because there's too much competition. It's feast or famine, like so many other things in life.

The dating market is another example of something impacted by neijuan. We all know about juggernaut law. We've all seen the dating website/app experiments where they use pictures of a morbidly obese woman, or a granny, and it still gets lots of likes/messages, some of which are from HTNs and even chadlites. Ironically the mentality of the guys chasing these women is "there will be less competition" only to create even more of the competition they tried to avoid. You simply can't avoid the fierce competition, you can't avoid neijuan. We see it with lookmaxxing too. Looksmaxxing is pretty mainstream with zoomers. My zoomer coworkers have talked about it numerous times despite the fact that they hate incels and use the word as a catch-all insult for anyone they don't like. They're all gymmaxxing too. What was originally crated by incels as a means of escaping sub5dom/inceldom, is now a tool for chads/chadlites to mog even harder.

The most pathetic example of neijuan is probably online gaming. EVERY game, no matter how "casual" it appears at surface level, is full of turbo tryhards. Every game is sweaty as fuck. Even in non-ranked games people are playing like there's a fucking cash prize on the line. There are simply no more "casual" multiplayer games, and there are certainly no casual PVP games anymore. Too many zoomers are "locked-in" playing the game for hours and hours everyday. Everyone is farming for exp, clips, or stream views thinking they'll be the next big streamer. Everyone is doing a bunch of research on what the "meta" is, memorizing maps, frame data, matchups etc. What's supposed to be escapism has turned into an autistic tryhard-fest that resembles a second job (that you don't get paid for) rather than a fun hobby. It's gotten so bad that a lot of gamers have just quit playing online games altogether and just play single player games. That includes me. After a long day of stressful work and getting shouted at by a neurotic manager, the last thing I want to do is get spawn killed repeatedly and 1 shot across the map in an FPS, zerg rushed in an RTS, or juggled with a long ass combo that goes 65 percent damage. That's just an exercise in masochism.

What annoys me is there's a lot of (almost always male) "influencers" who advocate for even HIGHER levels of neijuan. WORK 16 HOURS A DAY! WAKE UP AT 4AM. QUIT ALL HOBBIES. MONK MODE. YOUR LIFE SHOULD BE JUST WORK AND GYM! LIFE AS A MAN IS SUPPOSED TO BE A NONSTOP STRUGGLE, YOUR CORTISOL SHOULD ALWAYS BE MAXXED, BE A STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOIC SLAVE. Of course a lot of the "influencers" advocating for this live a life of hedonism, but you're supposed to ignore that. A lot of zoomers are internalizing this messaging it seems. I've noticed zoomers, ESPECIALLY male zoomers, tend to have a hyper-competitive mindset about everything. I could give plenty more examples of neijuan, but I think you guys get the point now and this post is TL;DR already and will no doubt be replied to with "DNR". And of course anytime anyone even alludes to this issue, they're bombarded with "SKILL ISSUE SKILL ISSUE, GIT GUD!".

None of this is to say that hyper-competitiveness is inherently bad. It's needed for innovation. But it's not something that should be everywhere all the time. In a world where every man is trying to be number 1, the least capable men suffer the most. I think part of the issue is that society has become hyper-introverted and a lot of time that would have been spent socializing decades ago is now invested in "grinding". Also less men are in relationships and less are getting married and having children, so the energy that would have been put into relationships and raising kids goes to tryharding instead. Society has also become increasingly low trust, which makes people even more inclined to look at each other as competitors. I don't see any realistic solutions coming anytime soon. Hopefully one day we'll have ASI and AI will automate everything and we'll be able to get UBI and have AI gfs. But until then, neijuan, perpetual and ubiquitous hyper-competitiveness, will remain inescapable.
Read all, well written text and I agree in every aspect. I’m curious what the future will look like if we keep going this path
 
Success is no longer directly proportional to work or effort, it was in the past, in our parents' generation.

Today effort is only a little part of a set of multiple requirements. Today only IQ, looks or any skill above average, will allow you some success.
Effort and work is irrelevant when you don't fullfill with that.

That's so many people feel like they are condemned to rat race. If you don't meet a minimum, the effort you do is useless. Times have changed.
 
Top tier post.

I've noticed the "eternal status contest" has been creeping into every aspect of our lives. It extends way beyond just getting jobs and playing competitive games.

Optimization is wickedness.
 
Top tier post, but the gaming part is not necessarily true.
Some competitive PvP games offer elo-based matchmaking. Technically you should be able to enjoy casual PvP in lower elo.
 
Hyper-competitiveness IS bad. No two ways about it. It leads to immoral behaviors. All the innovators succeed because of the freedom they are afforded. Hyper competitiveness, on the other hand, locks you into a rigid framework.
 
Top tier post, but the gaming part is not necessarily true.
Some competitive PvP games offer elo-based matchmaking. Technically you should be able to enjoy casual PvP in lower elo.
I was always shit at games even at the lowest elo.
 
So true on the job thing.

Sent like a gazillion resumes with a STEM degree. Finding a job isn't as easy as going into the store and asking for a job, like these boomers imagine it to be like, lol.

But yeah this does echo the sentiment that we live in a hierachial/class-based society (not only based in socioeconomic, but also friendships, work, school, relationships) and what's wild is that there are considerable a chunk of guys that would defend this.

yeah, what you wrote is true. everyone contends with it and every faucet of life gets shittier and shittier because of it. the worst part is that it's totally unnecessary, it's not like there isn't enough to go around for everyone to live a decent life. whether we're talking about problems of money, housing, or access to mates, the solution is for the mass of have-nots to wield their collective power against the haves and force them to fork over their excess. unfortunately most people are too retarded and proud to admit that they are have-nots, so they'll never stick up for their interests
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