Discussion Nationalistcels gtfih

[JucheApologist]

@La Grande Infamie
@DarkStar
@Chudpreet
@Samurai
@AsiaCel

To you, what is more important? Race, Nationality, Ethnicity or Religion. In my opinion, ethnicity is really the only important factor in the establishment of a state as it's the core unifying factor. Many natsocs have adopted Pan-Nationalism which causes it to differ from generic national socialism (german variant) which is entirely concerned with the german people rather than including the other races like slavs, hellens or latin groups.

 

[Castaway]

Race, ethnicity, nationality, and religion in that order.

 

[Castaway]

Also, ethnicity and nationality should honestly be one and the same

 

[Limitcel]

religion

 

[JucheApologist]

Also, ethnicity and nationality should honestly be one and the same

Not necessarily. They are similar but there are some major differences and the sort of idea that they are the same when some major event happens. For example, Take Rwanda in 1990s in which two ethnic groups (Tutsis and Hutus) who are black racially but different ethnically got into an entire war which lead to mass genocide. Another example would be Yugoslavia which you had people who were racially the same but ethnically different which lead to mass genocide as well

 

[Castaway]

Not necessarily. They are similar but there are some major differences and the sort of idea that they are the same when some major event happens. For example, Take Rwanda in 1990s in which two ethnic groups (Tutsis and Hutus) who are black racially but different ethnically got into an entire war which lead to mass genocide. Another example would be Yugoslavia which you had people who were racially the same but ethnically different which lead to mass genocide as well

I didn’t mention race.
Ethnicity = linguistic, cultural, and historical identity
Nationality = political identity
Race = biological identity

I believe all ethnic groups should be their own nations with some exceptions

 

[JucheApologist]

I didn’t mention race.

True, mb

 

[Castaway]

I didn’t mention race.
Ethnicity = linguistic, cultural, and historical identity
Nationality = political identity
Race = biological identity

I believe all ethnic groups should be their own nations with some exceptions

It should also be mentioned that all three should be interdependent. To have an ethnic group, it must first have a homogeneous racial component and to have a nation, it must first have a homogeneous ethnic component.

 

[Chudpreet]

Nationality all the way at the bottom since "nationality" in the age of modern nation-states is a highly arbitrary and frankly meaningless concept. Religion would go at spot 3 since, while a unified religion does matter greatly in creating societal cohesion, it's not as important as a shared ancestry, history, etc.

Between ethnicity and race it's honestly hard to say. People for most of history have primarily identified with their specific ethnicities as opposed to broad racial groups, but ethnicity has less to do with biological reality than race in the sense that multiracial ethnicities exist (ex: the Turkish people, there are both genetically European and genetically sand Turks, plus a very small minority of Afro-Turks).

Regarding the example of German National Socialism that you bring up, it would be more accurate to say it primarily concerned itself with the Germanic/Nordic sub-race rather than it entirely concerned itself with the German ethnicity. Imho prioritizing sub-race does make some sense, but the thing is, damn near every ethnic group on Earth – even controlling for a shared broad race – is comprised of a mix of subraces.

Overall I would say that if a particular ethnic group is composed exclusively of people belonging to the same broad racial category, it makes sense to prioritize ethnicity > race, but if it's a multiracial ethnic group, biological race should take first priority

 

[Castaway]

Religion would go at spot 3 since, while a unified religion does matter greatly in creating societal cohesion, it's not as important as a shared ancestry, history, etc.

I agree, religious sectarianism is irrelevant in the modern West and can easily be overcome. Germany was half Protestant and half Catholic during the Third Reich, but this division did not prevent Germany from being unified into a single ethnic-national entity under National Socialism. All sectarian conflicts in the West today, such as the one in Northern Ireland, are ultimately rooted in ethnic and cultural tensions, with religion itself just being an excuse.

 

[Samurai]

@La Grande Infamie
@DarkStar
@Chudpreet
@Samurai
@AsiaCel

To you, what is more important? Race, Nationality, Ethnicity or Religion. In my opinion, ethnicity is really the only important factor in the establishment of a state as it's the core unifying factor. Many natsocs have adopted Pan-Nationalism which causes it to differ from generic national socialism (german variant) which is entirely concerned with the german people rather than including the other races like slavs, hellens or latin groups.

Christianity above all.

 

[AsiaCel]

@La Grande Infamie
@DarkStar
@Chudpreet
@Samurai
@AsiaCel

To you, what is more important? Race, Nationality, Ethnicity or Religion. In my opinion, ethnicity is really the only important factor in the establishment of a state as it's the core unifying factor. Many natsocs have adopted Pan-Nationalism which causes it to differ from generic national socialism (german variant) which is entirely concerned with the german people rather than including the other races like slavs, hellens or latin groups.

In my opinion? Phenotype (race?), then ethnicity, then religion and finally nationality

For example, let's use the example of Japan; Koreans were social underclass, so they formed a massive part of the criminal organizations (Yakuza), to this day. The thing is, even though Koreans are not "liked", they are nevertheless accepted as a part of the Japanese society, save for extreme nationalists.

Ethnicity usually is tied to race, a ethnostate is even more strict than a race state, I don't think there are lots of true ethnostates. A ethnostate would consist of only one people or at least it would form the vast majority. North Korea is the only real example of a ethnostate, and it aborts even mixed babies of a different ethnicity but of similar phenotype (Chinese-Korean). A ethnostate would require isolation and cause massive trade penalty

Next comes religion, I don't think there are truly religious states, but unifying by religion is a very bad idea (it can be used to boost the cohension of a already unified country, such as Saudi Arabia). Religion is something you can change, and there are no shortage of cases of groups slaughtering each other for the slightest differences in their belief (Shia, Sunni, Serbs vs Crotians etc)

Nationality is the worst; one need to look no further than the many African countries made of different ethnicies in the same country, literally daily civil wars. Also, USA and Singapore. These countries, at the current state, have nothing unifying the people; so they have to make a inorganic, made up "culture" that lends toward "tolerance". Tolerance of difference (whether forced or not), leads to division.

 

[Regenerator]

Race
Ethnicity
Nationality
Religion

In that order

 

[fantasycel]

Religion, ethnicity, nationality, race.

Race has zero value for me, ethnicity is the only thing that matters.

 

[Chudpreet]

Christianity above all.

You would take a Pan-Christian state even if it meant you had to cohabitate with Christian foreigners like nigs and Latinx?

 

[Castaway]

Christianity above all.

Would you die for a nigger who believes in Christ? I bet you would kek

 

[Chudpreet]

Religion, ethnicity, nationality, race.

Race has zero value for me, ethnicity is the only thing that matters.

Where are you from?

 

[Castaway]

You would take a Pan-Christian state even if it meant you had to cohabitate with Christian foreigners like nigs and Latinx?

He definitely would. Christcuck slave morality is currently the biggest threat to the West. Without it, we wouldn’t turn the other cheek to mass immigration and the coordinated assault on our history and heritage.

 

[The Bickler]

Race, ethnicity, nationality, and religion in that order.

this. religion is a corollary to nationality which is in turn a corollary to ethnicity which is a corollary to race

 

[La Grande Infamie]

Race, ethnicity, nationality, and religion.

 

[Samurai]

You would take a Pan-Christian state even if it meant you had to cohabitate with Christian foreigners like nigs and Latinx?

A Christian state would not permit diversity as historically Christians have opposed and warned against it.

 

[Samurai]

He definitely would. Christcuck slave morality is currently the biggest threat to the West. Without it, we wouldn’t turn the other cheek to mass immigration and the coordinated assault on our history and heritage.

Lol atheistcuck is crying I see. Europe was Christian and white for 1000 years. You act as if Christianity is what brought migrants into Europe. Shows your foid mind, that's for sure.

 

[yebamoth]

He definitely would. Christcuck slave morality is currently the biggest threat to the West. Without it, we wouldn’t turn the other cheek to mass immigration and the coordinated assault on our history and heritage.

Christianity is already dead. If our countries were truly Christian, we would have no problems with niggers, jews, feminists, faggots etc, I can guarantee you this.

 

[Castaway]

Lol atheistcuck is crying I see. Europe was Christian and white for 1000 years. You act as if Christianity is what brought migrants into Europe. Shows your foid mind, that's for sure.

1. I’m not an atheist.

2. Europeans were spiritually pagan in spite of Christian dogma. If they were truly Christian, they would never have built great empires and subjugated non-whites, as they rightly did.

3. Christian ideas such as universalism and compassion are precisely what has allowed migrants to come en masse almost unhindered.

 

[Samurai]

3. Christian ideas such as universalism and compassion are precisely what has allowed migrants to come en masse almost unhindered.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Christian countries historically always had tough immigration policies. Like a typical foid minded atheistcuck though, most likely you're thinking of pseudo non denominational "Christianity" and thinking that is how it has always been. Poland is strongly Catholic and that has very strict immigration policies.

 

[Castaway]

Christianity is already dead. If our countries were truly Christian, we would have no problems with niggers, jews, feminists, faggots etc, I can guarantee you this.

Christianity is dead as a religion, but not as a morality. As I just pointed out, Christian beliefs such as universalism and compassion for the weak are unquestionable dogma in the modern West.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Christian countries historically always had tough immigration policies. Like a typical foid minded atheistcuck though, most likely you're thinking of pseudo non denominational "Christianity" and thinking that is how it has always been. Poland is strongly Catholic and that has very strict immigration policies.

Mass immigration of non-whites into Europe is a modern phenomenon that has no precedent in history, and in the past most "Christian" countries equated being Christian with being of European descent, which made sense back then but is clearly not the case today as most Christians are now black or brown.

You are retarded if you still believe in the "trad" Poland meme. The country is becoming more and more socially progressive and is accepting more immigrants than ever. Won’t be long before it's no better than the rest of the EU.

Also, Catholics in the United States were the main proponents of the 1965 Immigration Act that legalized all non-white immigration to the US and banned any preference for immigrants from northwestern Europe which had been in place until then.

 

[Samurai]

Christianity is dead as a religion, but not as a morality. As I just pointed out, Christian beliefs such as universalism and compassion for the weak are unquestionable dogma in the modern West.


Mass immigration of non-whites into Europe is a modern phenomenon that has no precedent in history, and in the past most "Christian" countries equated being Christian with being of European descent, which made sense back then but is clearly not the case today as most Christians are now black or brown.

You are retarded if you still believe in the "trad" Poland meme. The country is becoming more and more socially progressive and is accepting more immigrants than ever. Won’t be long before it's no better than the rest of the EU.

Also, Catholics in the United States were the main proponents of the 1965 Immigration Act that legalized all non-white immigration to the US and banned any preference for immigrants from northwestern Europe which had been in place until then.

Catholics were not the main proponents, that is a lie. It waw Jews & Atheist that were. Why would you lie knowing you'd get caught?

Poland is still far more traditional than most countries. I'm aware of what is happening, but Poland has not been defeated yet.

The Church was always universal, it was never just European. This is just embarrassing.

 

[RandomGuy]

Khazaria


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/AGVe6egYxGs?si=xFb0uzfQwfXnwRQh

 

[Castaway]

Catholics were not the main proponents, that is a lie. It waw Jews & Atheist that were. Why would you lie knowing you'd get caught?

Lmao you don't know what you're talking about do you? Both Catholics and Jews were behind the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, and that is an objective fact whether you like it or not.

1965 Legislation · The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and Immigration · American Catholic History Classroom

American Catholic History Research Center and University Archives

cuomeka.wrlc.org

Poland is still far more traditional than most countries. I'm aware of what is happening, but Poland has not been defeated yet.

Their women are sluts, typical of the West as well as the rest of Slavdom, and pride parades are becoming ever so common in Warsaw.

The Church was always universal, it was never just European. This is just embarrassing.

Yes, I have never denied that. I was pointing out that the state policies of predominantly Christian countries in the past were not always in line with Catholic or general Christian doctrine. Had that not been the case, laws permitting slavery of non-whites and prohibiting racial integration would never have been widespread.

 

[Cock'nBalls]

i just think my native tongue is pretty cool but i don't think i really am a nationalist if a war broke out i would flee

 

[Shrek]

@La Grande Infamie
@DarkStar
@Chudpreet
@Samurai
@AsiaCel

To you, what is more important? Race, Nationality, Ethnicity or Religion. In my opinion, ethnicity is really the only important factor in the establishment of a state as it's the core unifying factor. Many natsocs have adopted Pan-Nationalism which causes it to differ from generic national socialism (german variant) which is entirely concerned with the german people rather than including the other races like slavs, hellens or latin groups.

I'm not a racist I am an ethnonationalist . Each country with it's people end the bullshit. Germany should be White aryan and USA should be indians living in tents .

I'm tired of all this diversity bullshit each crow should have it's nest but we are living in a cuckoo world so every lazy bird lays eggs in a hard-working bird nest and kills their children to replace it with their own. The west explained.

 

[caineturbat2003]

I didn’t mention race.
Ethnicity = linguistic, cultural, and historical identity
Nationality = political identity
Race = biological identity

I believe all ethnic groups should be their own nations with some exceptions

Ethnicity is also biological, in the sense that it is a subcategory of a race. For example you have the indo-european race and that race has subdivisions (or as we say ethnic groups) such as germanics, italics, celts, balto-slavs, etc. And since these groups of people have split up centuries ago due to the aryan invasion, a german would be more genetically closer to another german than he would be to a greek person or a russian (even tho they come from a common ancestral race).

So what about culture and language? These things are just inventions created by the human mind that are based on a certain ethnic group. So a nigger can hypothetically identify as culturally and linguistically german (even tho he has no right to them since his people didn't create those) but will never be ethnically german because genetically he isn't one.

So in conclusion race creates ethnicity and that creates culture and language. And if someone claims ethnicity is just something on paper and nothing more, then they are globohomo zog agents.

 

[Castaway]

So in conclusion race creates ethnicity and that creates culture and language. And if someone claims ethnicity is just something on paper and nothing more, then they are globohomo zog agents.

Yes, that's why I then specified that ethnicity, ethnicity and nationality are interdependent. A nation must be ethnically homogeneous, just as an ethnic group must be racially homogeneous

 

[yebamoth]

You are retarded if you still believe in the "trad" Poland meme. The country is becoming more and more socially progressive and is accepting more immigrants than ever. Won’t be long before it's no better than the rest of the EU.

Yup I'm from Poland and confirm it. After rainbow libshits get also their own president in 2025, we officially become EU's new LGBTQ colony.

Christianity is dead as a religion, but not as a morality. As I just pointed out, Christian beliefs such as universalism and compassion for the weak are unquestionable dogma in the modern West.

As I wrote, when our countries were Christian, i.e. in medieval times, even though it promoted compassion for the weak and poor, it kept kikes in check, culled degeneracy, defended borders etc. Somehow it's not working like this NOW after 100 years of gradual cuckoldization of Church by commies and masonry, who have to destroy it in order to win.

If you have any complaints, redirect them to neo commies, new age satanists, masonry and generally the left.

 

[DarkStar]

@La Grande Infamie
@DarkStar
@Chudpreet
@Samurai
@AsiaCel

To you, what is more important? Race, Nationality, Ethnicity or Religion. In my opinion, ethnicity is really the only important factor in the establishment of a state as it's the core unifying factor. Many natsocs have adopted Pan-Nationalism which causes it to differ from generic national socialism (german variant) which is entirely concerned with the german people rather than including the other races like slavs, hellens or latin groups.

Race is most important, followed by ethnicity & nationality(both tie in heavily), and then finally religion.

Race is the first most important, since it ties into the rest.

Race also extends in many ways: Personally, I see all Europeans(native ones ofc) as part of the same broader race or "family" in a sense, and this allows for a broader international "community" or "unity" of sorts to be exhibited.

In order for a nationality to exist, you need to have a majority homogenous ethnicity.

And as goes for religion, that has to be something which supports the ideals of national, ethnic, and racial unity.

Race
Ethnicity
Nationality
Religion

In that order

 

[Sloth22]

As I wrote, when our countries were Christian,even though it promoted compassion for the weak and poor, it kept kikes in check, culled degeneracy, defended borders etc. Somehow it's not working like this NOW after 100 years of gradual cuckoldization of Church by commies and masonry, who have to destroy it in order to win.

If you have any complaints, redirect them to neo commies, new age satanists, masonry and generally the left.