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LifeFuel My father: IQ

Horatio Alger

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I always found it endlessly fascinating that despite the endless publications of the correlation between high IQ and liberalism, both me and my father possess some or several beliefs that could be construed as far right (not conservatism).

Perhaps this is due to a lifetime of living in a different environment/culture??? (while that is the case for my father, I grew up in the modern West, so perhaps not)

Perhaps it is due to a rare genetic mutation that increases intelligence while also increasing ethnic tribalism (Similar to Ashkenazi Jews lol) + obsession with reproduction (explains homophobia since it lowers fertility)???


My IQ: +152 (+3.34 SD)

based on a composite score of nonverbal childhood cognitive test score + ASVAB army GT composite score

I am very homophobic and racist (not IRL obviously), desiring nothing but the establishment of a ruthless, global apartheid/eugenicist regime and the internment of all homosexuals into work camps based off of the Chinese treatment of Uyghurs (outright extermination would be economically wasteful)


My father's IQ: lower than 175 (<5 SD) 150-160 (3.33-4 SD)???

His score on the mathematics section of one of the world's hardest college admission test equated to a spectacular 1 in 3.5 MILLION level, which equated to a math IQ of 175: a whopping 5 standard deviations above the mean.

However, he is not as verbally gifted, being around my mother's level (anywhere from 120-130 in verbal IQ), so estimated composite IQ of 153-159???


My father would be considered very homophobic and racist by the standards of modern society: thinking homosexuality is a genetic dead end and that some races are genetically superior to others, although he wouldn't even begin to contemplate the extreme measures I would take due to being overly compassionate and selfless relative to the vast majority of other humans


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@Fat Link , please delete this thread. I accidentally posted the same thing
 
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ok mister 99.98 percentile iq
 
What's your mom's IQ?
115-130???

Her teachers pulled her out of class to tell her she scored in the gifted range

She can hold her own verbally against my father + has good memory
 
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No. College foids have high IQs, but they are biggest proponents of misandry, childlessness, abortion, degen lifestyles etc.
High IQs in general are more likely to be proponents of that nowadays
 
In this day and age, it makes one more susceptible to indoctrination to the reigning ideology
True traits of high IQ is having the ability to think outside the boxes we are placed in through societal engineering, whether it be from your parents, schooling or even books and new articles. You question everything, than you re question it. You unlearn and relearn until it makes sense. Have a heighten sense of self awareness and of those around you from a moral separated capacity is also another one. Whether it's good or bad is debatable as far expected societal norms are concerned but it doesn't make hard truths any less than that.
 
True traits of high IQ is having the ability to think outside the boxes we are placed in through societal engineering, whether it be from your parents, schooling or even books and new articles. You question everything, than you re question it. You unlearn and relearn until it makes sense. Have a heighten sense of self awareness and of thoughs around you from moral separated capacity is also another one. Whether it's good or bad is debatable as far expected societal norms are concerned but it doesn't make hard truths any less than that.
That has more to do with personality.

You could be high IQ but suffer from bounded cognition due to upbringing/inherent disposition (which many suffer from)

Flat earthers also think outside the box while questioning everything, doesn't mean they're high IQ
 
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High IQs in general are more likely to be proponents of that nowadays
No, low-iq sheboons also show such tendencies in great degree, if not greater. One's IQ is as much of a useful measurement of their intellectual abilities as their SAT score.
 
That has more to do with personality.

You could be high IQ but suffer from bounded cognition due to upbringing/inherent disposition (which many suffer from)

Flat earthers also think outside the box while questioning everything, doesn't mean they're high IQ
Flat earthers are ideologically driven, nothing to do with thinking "outside the box." Doubt you're high IQ. But then again, like I said earlier, that score doesn't really matter much.
 
You could be high IQ but suffer from bounded cognition due to upbringing/inherent disposition (which many suffer from)

Bounded cognition is generally caused by stunted brain growth/mental/psychological trauma from a young age. While it can certainly make one's potential IQ suffer it doesn't correlate with high IQ (imo). I will agree that you're only limited by knowledge as well as you are informed, by the people around you or other sources. It's liking being brought up in a cult and having no other information to cultivate except what you're given.
 
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Bounded cognition is generally caused by stunted brain growth/mental/psychological trauma from a young age. While it can certainly make one's potential IQ suffer it doesn't correlate with high IQ (imo). I will agree that you're only limited by knowledge as well as you are informed, by the people around you or other sources. It's liking being brought up in a cult and having no other information to cultivate except what you're given.
It does correlate with high IQ since liberalism and IQ are highly correlated in this day and age according to hundreds of publications
 
One's IQ is as much of a useful measurement of their intellectual abilities as their SAT score.
The old SAT was considered an IQ test + correlated heavily with real world success
 
Flat earthers are ideologically driven, nothing to do with thinking "outside the box." Doubt you're high IQ. But then again, like I said earlier, that score doesn't really matter much.
They do think outside the box since they buck the consensus and overwhelming evidence against it
 
It does correlate with high IQ since liberalism and IQ are highly correlated in this day and age according to hundreds of publications
Well I choose not to believe that. Sounds like indoctrination bullshit to me, and shaming people into believing they're stupid if they don't agree with liberalisms core values. Hundreds of publications could be wrong, just like many things have been proven wrong depending on where you seek your information.
 
Well I choose not to believe that. Sounds like indoctrination bullshit to me, and shaming people into believing they're stupid if they don't agree with liberalisms core values. Hundreds of publications could be wrong, just like many things have been proven wrong depending on where you seek your information.
It's extremely unlikely for all of the publications to be wrong.

But you shouldn't fret over this too much because:

I do agree that the relationship between intelligence and political beliefs change between time periods and would have been different if WW2 had gone differently,

HOWEVER, your own argument indicates that high IQ people are particularly susceptible to the corrosive influence of liberal ideology in the current era (something I and my father are immune to)

That's true.

Also the reason why many intellectuals supported either fascism or communism during the 1930s, before the final triumph and ideological hegemony (or so it seems) of liberalism after WW2 and the cold war.


The high IQs probably lean left in this day and age due to exposure to environments of far left activity and discourse.


But it is interesting that I turned out as a fascist despite lifelong exposure to liberal ideology in the schools I go to and my fellow peers (my father is apolitical)
 
The old SAT was considered an IQ test + correlated heavily with real world success
Well, my comparison was with the "current" SAT. Besides, "real world success" is pretty broad and vague.
They do think outside the box since they buck the consensus and overwhelming evidence against it
No, they pick and choose which evidence to accept. Space organizations around the world have visual evidence which perfectly align with each other's findings, making them more convincing. They ARE ideologically driven.
 
Well, my comparison was with the "current" SAT. Besides, "real world success" is pretty broad and vague.
I define real world success broadly as just lifetime income
 
No, they pick and choose which evidence to accept. Space organizations around the world have visual evidence which perfectly align with each other's findings, making them more convincing. They ARE ideologically driven.
Still bucks the trend. Since they are going up against the entirety of the scientific community+ everything they learned in school

They also come up with highly creative methods to "prove" the earth is flat
 
It's extremely unlikely for all of the publications to be wrong.

But you shouldn't fret over this too much because:
I don't fret over it, not at all lol.

I'm not saying you're wrong or denying you of having a high IQ, what I'm attempting to point out is that having a high IQ does not correlate to political views or how much someone chooses to apply their capacity of knowledge towards certain avenues. Not saying they can't be right or really good at what they do, but there will always be two sides to every coin. It can also easily be assessed/assumed that high IQ in the fields leaning towards liberalism could just be a much popular platform for people now in education which I personally think is a no brainer given the current climate of society.
 
If society was religious, being smart would correlate heavily with holding religious believes. Most people are status-seeking more than they are truth-seeking.
 
I don't fret over it, not at all lol.

I'm not saying you're wrong or denying you of having a high IQ, what I'm attempting to point out is that having a high IQ does not correlate to political views or how much someone chooses to apply their capacity of knowledge towards certain avenues. Not saying they can't be right or really good at what they do, but there will always be two sides to every coin. It can also easily be assessed/assumed that high IQ in the fields leaning towards liberalism could just be a much popular platform for people now in education which I personally think is a no brainer given the current climate of society.
Correlation is defined as a statistical measure that expresses the extent to which two variables are linearly related

If more High IQs lean towards a certain political stance than the general population, there is a correlation

High IQs are prone towards leftism in this era
 
If society was religious, being smart would correlate heavily with holding religious believes. Most people are status-seeking more than they are truth-seeking.
All I'm saying is that high IQ is correlated with liberalism in the current era. Nothing more

I do agree that the relationship between intelligence and political beliefs change between time periods and would have been different if WW2 had gone differently,

HOWEVER, your own argument indicates that high IQ people are particularly susceptible to the corrosive influence of liberal ideology in the current era (something I and my father are immune to)

That's true.

Also the reason why many intellectuals supported either fascism or communism during the 1930s, before the final triumph and ideological hegemony (or so it seems) of liberalism after WW2 and the cold war.


The high IQs probably lean left in this day and age due to exposure to environments of far left activity and discourse.


But it is interesting that I turned out as a fascist despite lifelong exposure to liberal ideology in the schools I go to and my fellow peers (my father is apolitical)
 
I define real world success broadly as just lifetime income
Migrant workers, who are considered too low-iq to finish school, from my country make way above, what is the average pay in my country, in Middle East countries, while the 'high iq' college grads can barely get by under the exploitation of the corporates. In which case, it completely trumps your notion. In academics, the latter definitely mogs, but when it comes to decision making which has a strong bearing on the practical outcome, the former mogs.
Still bucks the trend. Since they are going up against the entirety of the scientific community+ everything they learned in school

They also come up with highly creative methods to "prove" the earth is flat
Now, you're being ideologically driven with your subjective views for the sake of your arguments.
 
Migrant workers, who are considered too low-iq to finish school, from my country make way above, what is the average pay in my country, in Middle East countries, while the 'high iq' college grads can barely get by under the exploitation of the corporates. In which case, it completely trumps your notion. In academics, the latter definitely mogs, but when it comes to decision making which has a strong bearing on the practical outcome, the former mogs.
Black and white thinking

Correlation between IQ and real world success is about 0.5 and not a perfect 1

To paraphrase Pumpkinperson, bivariate normal distribution predicts that for every high IQ person who is low on achievement, there must be a high achievement person who is low in IQ

Also, most of those 'high IQ' college grades are 110-120 IQ midwits who are barely above average in intellect (probably lower since Arabs average lower IQs than the West)
 
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Now, you're being ideologically driven with your subjective views for the sake of your arguments.
All I'm saying is that thinking outside the box is creativity and not IQ

Which is a reasonable take
 
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All I'm saying is that high IQ is correlated with liberalism in the current era. Nothing more
Yeah, I get that. Although I would say liberalism also has an advantage in being more correct on many things. But that doesn't have to be why smart people end up on that side.

But it does present a near impossible hurdle to get things rolling in the other direction. The people you can convince to reject the faulty parts of leftism are themselves low in human capital.

I fundamentally disagree with what I perceive as the right's way of life, I started out on the left and feel completely misplaced among individualists.
 
Also, most of those 'high IQ' college grades are 110-120 IQ midwits who are barely above average in intellect (probably lower since Arabs average lower IQs than the West)
That's the crux of my point. IQ just as a number doesn't matter. And even if you're beyond the bell curve on the right, there's just too many variables involved in navigating your life that even an impressively high IQ cannot always make up for. But I acknowledge that a very high IQ is generally an indicator of more material success in comparison.
 
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Yeah, I get that. Although I would say liberalism also has an advantage in being more correct on many things. But that doesn't have to be why smart people end up on that side.

But it does present a near impossible hurdle to get things rolling in the other direction. The people you can convince to reject the faulty parts of leftism are themselves low in human capital.

I fundamentally disagree with what I perceive as the right's way of life, I started out on the left and feel completely misplaced among individualists.
Well I don't really consider myself "right",

I'm just a totalitarian eugenicist who would prefer an all powerful state engage in eugenics to perfect its constituents and eliminate harmful deviants
 
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That's the crux of my point. IQ just as a number doesn't matter. And even if you're beyond the bell curve on the right, there's just too many variables involved in navigating your life that even an impressively high IQ cannot always make up for. But I acknowledge that a very IQ is generally an indicator of more material success in comparison.
It is one of several variables that determine lifelong success (broadly defined by me as lifelong income, political power, or academic influence), but it is one of the MOST important (correlation between IQ and success is 0.5).

That is not to deny other factors like hard work, luck, or academic TIE are also important.
 
Well I don't really consider myself "right",

I'm just a totalitarian eugenicist who would prefer an all powerful state engage in eugenics to perfect its constituents
Ah yes, I would probably have nothing to do with that. While I do think that eugenics is basically a moral necessity, and that one day (if we make it that far) people will think of being born with an optimized genome as a human right, I have serious doubts about that way of implementation working out.
 
How do you know you're that 150IQ? Had bunch of clinical tests?
 
Ah yes, I would probably have nothing to do with that. While I do think that eugenics is basically a moral necessity, and that one day (if we make it that far) people will think of being born with an optimized genome as a human right, I have serious doubts about that way of implementation working out.
A totalitarian state by definition is one that is led either by one person or a small oligarchy that believes in an all encompassing ideology. Such an absolute belief will help limit government corruption (+ ruthless political purges will also help eliminate corruption) and ensure the state carries out the brutal task with an iron will (the ends justify the means)

+ Increasing the vitality of the populace (increase in IQ, health, and mental stability) alongside eliminating useless people and pastimes (elimination of the mentally and physically feeble, and national ban on art, music, and sports will allow the state to prioritize technological prowess over wasteful endeavors) will increase economic and technological might, which will in turn increase the military might of the state (overwhelming priority of every nation state on the planet), which on top of its stated official ideological beliefs, will provide an additional powerful incentive to carry out the proper implementation
 
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A totalitarian state by definition is one that is led either by one person or a small oligarchy that believes in an all encompassing ideology. Such an absolute belief will help limit government corruption (+ ruthless political purges will also help eliminate corruption) and ensure the state carries out the brutal task with an iron will (the ends justify the means)

+ Increasing the vitality of the populace (increase in IQ, health, and mental stability) will increase economic and techniclogical might, which will in turn increase the military might of the state (overwhelming priority of every nation state on the planet)
You don't need to convince me of the absurdly high, all-encompassing potential of eugenics. My values simply don't align with yours.
 

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