Discussion My Experience on a Carnivore Diet

[GeckoBus]

@IceMan2000 asked me on my profile to talk about this.

First off, inform yourself on this diet. Don't trust me.
Good sources online are

- dr. anthone chaddeee - > https://www.youtube.com/@anthonychaffeemd
- prof. bart kay -> https://www.youtube.com/@bart-kay
- dr. ken berry -> https://www.youtube.com/@KenDBerryMD
- dr shawn baker -> https://www.youtube.com/@ShawnBakerMD
- dave feldman -> https://www.youtube.com/@realDaveFeldman

Also go on these two subreddits for questions. If you do the diet and you feel weird or have a question, someone else 100% has asked it before:

Reddit - The heart of the internet

www.reddit.com

Reddit - The heart of the internet

www.reddit.com

Read the FAQs on these.

Some other resources:

The sugar conspiracy | Ian Leslie

The Long Read: In 1972, a British scientist sounded the alarm that sugar – and not fat – was the greatest danger to our health. But his findings were ridiculed and his reputation ruined. How did the world’s top nutrition scientists get it so wrong for so long?

www.theguardian.com

Also read all books or watch videos by Gary Taubes:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6vpFV6Wkl4


Also these videos:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-WUb3mJEso

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6vpFV6Wkl4


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iifuYkPjVWg



Here is my experience.
I had massive health issues for years, parents never gave a fuck.
The carnviore diet was the first thing that ever helped me.

List of issues I was dealing with:


- excessive sweating
- terrible body odor
- anxiety
- anger
- sugar crashes that send me into a semi-coma for hours
- numb toes and fingers
- terrible sleep, insomnia
- tooth decay with pain
- sticky, clammy skin
- itching rashes in my groin
- pustules and pimples on my face
- panic attacks (fish in particular)
- bloody stools (red blood)
- extreme bloating and flatulence
- inflamed, blocked sinuses
- blurry vision
- need for excessive water consumption, high water retention in body
- severe brain-fog
- joint stiffness
- pre diabetes (was told I had it year apart after routine blood work)

I also have autism which often comes with gut issues.

After going carnivore for a few months, ALL of the above symptoms disappeared..
Some tips and tricks and common things

1. Organ meats. There is debate on whether this is necessary or not. I don't eat them anymore, used to eat tons of liver. You decide. Anythony Chaffee, Bart Kay and Amber O'Earn say organs are not necessary. Dr Ken Berry recommends it I think.
2. Same goes for mineral supplements and salt. Some swear by it, some do not. Figure it out yourself. This is mostly tweaking stuff after you have transitioned.

3. Transition - please read up on "keto/carnivore flu" before you get into this. Transition slowly into the diet. Going keto first won't make it easier, thats what people say online. You would think it would be easier to transition from low-carb to zero-carb. Apparently not.

Personally, I sweated like crazy, had leg cramps, headaches, soft stool, was tired, nausea after eating too much fat. All of that went away after a month.
I take zero supplements.

4. What do I eat?
I live in Germany, beef is giga fucking expensive here. You cant even get american types of beef like ribeye steak, which is what a lot of burger carnivores swear by.
The only thing we have that comes even close to a fatty ribeye steak is pork belly (fat ratio in meat should be 1:1 fat protein in weigh and 80/20 in kcal).

So I only eat pork, occasionally beef, little bit of chicken and fish sometimes.

Since I cant get fatty ribeyes, I have to supplement with butter, lard or tallow. This can be hard at first, but you start liking fat as you get more into the diet. I can now eat like 100-200g of butter and now throw up. The only issue is that you shit yourself later if you over do it. Olive oil is also fine for some reason.

Depending on what your state is while going into the diet, and what your goals are, you will have to tweak the diet.

- for weight loss, do not undereat. It is not necessary just eat and listen to your body
- for healing, pay attention. You may do worse on some meats or maybe you cant do eggs. You have to figure that out yourself.
It is for this reason some people go only beef, salt and water for a month, before adding foods back in.

5. On raw advocates. If you feel better doing it that way, do it. Just mind your meat quality.
Many long term carnivores find themselves transitioning automatically in the direction of raw meat, or at least bleu cooked meat, which means the outside is seared, the inside is raw. You do you, listen to your body.

I have eaten rotten (high) meat before, rotten ground beef and liver. I tasted like ass and didnt make much of a difference for me, outside of smelling up my house (stinks like cat shit or really strong cheese. Some like the funk).

6. This part is for retarded people. I see this all the time on the subreddits. Carnivore means carnivore. Only meat if possible. Not meat + potatoes, not meat + coffee and protein powder, not meat and salad. It means you only eat meat and maybe some dairy. Butter does not count as dairy for some reason, cuz most people oddly have no issues with it.

7. OMAD - a lot of people automatically end up eating only one meal a day cuz meat and fat is so satiating. But this may not be good for everyone. Protein can make you hot and tired, and spacing it out to 2-3 or more meals a day can help. Just experiment.
This is the biggest takeaway from all this, you have to figure it out yourself.

That's all for now. There are other carnivore dieters in this forum, idk who exactly though.
The guy with the red sage profile pic is into Aajonus I think. Some others too. Cool Stuff.

@IceMan2000 SEEK THEM OUT! THEY SHALL TEACH YOU!

 

[Left4DeadBPDvictim]

Just began for t-rexcels

 

[Diddy]

Carnivore diet still mogs being a vegancuck.

 

[zerozerozero]

@wasted12years thots?

 

[NeverGetUp]

I also want to switch to the primal carnivore diet completely. So far I have mostly been eating cooked steaks(sometimes medium rare) and liver very rarely but I want to try more organs like brain and kidneys. Where do you buy your meat and organs in Germany? It can be problematic to find good sources there because the animals are often fed a grain based diet and filled with antibiotics. Do you buy the meat online?

 

[GeckoBus]

@wasted12years thots?

Ah yes, that is him, the red wizard, @IceMan2000 this is him! talk to him! yes yes!

I also want to switch to the primal carnivore diet completely. So far I have mostly been eating cooked steaks(sometimes medium rare) and liver very rarely but I want to try more organs like brain and kidneys. Where do you buy your meat and organs in Germany? It can be problematic to find good sources there because the animals are often fed a grain based diet and filled with antibiotics. Do you buy the meat online?

super market, I am poor. I cant afford giga high quality meat. Organs, I almost only ate chicken and beef liver in the past. Other organs I had was rabbit kidney and heart, chicken stomach and heart. Like I said in post, some say organs are not necessary so I dont eat them. When I get scurvy I will make thread on it.

 

[Emba]

Stakes me

 

[kay']

Rate my diet

 

[kay']

Other organs I had was rabbit kidney and heart

 

[Karakol96]

I would go carnivore if I had any kind of hope

 

[GeckoBus]

Rate my diet

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honestly based cuz aesthetic jfl but I know you cant eat anything else cuz of you are bedridden

 

[kay']

honestly based cuz aesthetic jfl but I know you cant eat anything else cuz of you are bedridden

 

[reveries]

I can attest it does work, I'm a poorhealthcel, healthcare system failed me of course, I messed around with keto and carnivore for years, and it does work. Your health and mood both get significantly better, all my fellow poorhealthcels should give it a go

 

[Mayocel]

@IceMan2000 asked me on my profile to talk about this.

First off, inform yourself on this diet. Don't trust me.
Good sources online are

- dr. anthone chaddeee - > https://www.youtube.com/@anthonychaffeemd
- prof. bart kay -> https://www.youtube.com/@bart-kay
- dr. ken berry -> https://www.youtube.com/@KenDBerryMD
- dr shawn baker -> https://www.youtube.com/@ShawnBakerMD
- dave feldman -> https://www.youtube.com/@realDaveFeldman

Also go on these two subreddits for questions. If you do the diet and you feel weird or have a question, someone else 100% has asked it before:

Reddit - The heart of the internet

www.reddit.com

Reddit - The heart of the internet

www.reddit.com

Read the FAQs on these.

Some other resources:

The sugar conspiracy | Ian Leslie

The Long Read: In 1972, a British scientist sounded the alarm that sugar – and not fat – was the greatest danger to our health. But his findings were ridiculed and his reputation ruined. How did the world’s top nutrition scientists get it so wrong for so long?

www.theguardian.com

Also read all books or watch videos by Gary Taubes:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6vpFV6Wkl4


Also these videos:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-WUb3mJEso

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6vpFV6Wkl4


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iifuYkPjVWg



Here is my experience.
I had massive health issues for years, parents never gave a fuck.
The carnviore diet was the first thing that ever helped me.

List of issues I was dealing with:


- excessive sweating
- terrible body odor
- anxiety
- anger
- sugar crashes that send me into a semi-coma for hours
- numb toes and fingers
- terrible sleep, insomnia
- tooth decay with pain
- sticky, clammy skin
- itching rashes in my groin
- pustules and pimples on my face
- panic attacks (fish in particular)
- bloody stools (red blood)
- extreme bloating and flatulence
- inflamed, blocked sinuses
- blurry vision
- need for excessive water consumption, high water retention in body
- severe brain-fog
- joint stiffness
- pre diabetes (was told I had it year apart after routine blood work)

I also have autism which often comes with gut issues.

After going carnivore for a few months, ALL of the above symptoms disappeared..
Some tips and tricks and common things

1. Organ meats. There is debate on whether this is necessary or not. I don't eat them anymore, used to eat tons of liver. You decide. Anythony Chaffee, Bart Kay and Amber O'Earn say organs are not necessary. Dr Ken Berry recommends it I think.
2. Same goes for mineral supplements and salt. Some swear by it, some do not. Figure it out yourself. This is mostly tweaking stuff after you have transitioned.

3. Transition - please read up on "keto/carnivore flu" before you get into this. Transition slowly into the diet. Going keto first won't make it easier, thats what people say online. You would think it would be easier to transition from low-carb to zero-carb. Apparently not.

Personally, I sweated like crazy, had leg cramps, headaches, soft stool, was tired, nausea after eating too much fat. All of that went away after a month.
I take zero supplements.

4. What do I eat?
I live in Germany, beef is giga fucking expensive here. You cant even get american types of beef like ribeye steak, which is what a lot of burger carnivores swear by.
The only thing we have that comes even close to a fatty ribeye steak is pork belly (fat ratio in meat should be 1:1 fat protein in weigh and 80/20 in kcal).

So I only eat pork, occasionally beef, little bit of chicken and fish sometimes.

Since I cant get fatty ribeyes, I have to supplement with butter, lard or tallow. This can be hard at first, but you start liking fat as you get more into the diet. I can now eat like 100-200g of butter and now throw up. The only issue is that you shit yourself later if you over do it. Olive oil is also fine for some reason.

Depending on what your state is while going into the diet, and what your goals are, you will have to tweak the diet.

- for weight loss, do not undereat. It is not necessary just eat and listen to your body
- for healing, pay attention. You may do worse on some meats or maybe you cant do eggs. You have to figure that out yourself.
It is for this reason some people go only beef, salt and water for a month, before adding foods back in.

5. On raw advocates. If you feel better doing it that way, do it. Just mind your meat quality.
Many long term carnivores find themselves transitioning automatically in the direction of raw meat, or at least bleu cooked meat, which means the outside is seared, the inside is raw. You do you, listen to your body.

I have eaten rotten (high) meat before, rotten ground beef and liver. I tasted like ass and didnt make much of a difference for me, outside of smelling up my house (stinks like cat shit or really strong cheese. Some like the funk).

6. This part is for retarded people. I see this all the time on the subreddits. Carnivore means carnivore. Only meat if possible. Not meat + potatoes, not meat + coffee and protein powder, not meat and salad. It means you only eat meat and maybe some dairy. Butter does not count as dairy for some reason, cuz most people oddly have no issues with it.

7. OMAD - a lot of people automatically end up eating only one meal a day cuz meat and fat is so satiating. But this may not be good for everyone. Protein can make you hot and tired, and spacing it out to 2-3 or more meals a day can help. Just experiment.
This is the biggest takeaway from all this, you have to figure it out yourself.

That's all for now. There are other carnivore dieters in this forum, idk who exactly though.
The guy with the red sage profile pic is into Aajonus I think. Some others too. Cool Stuff.

@IceMan2000 SEEK THEM OUT! THEY SHALL TEACH YOU!

What were you eating before?
Everytime I hear from carnivore and keto it is some fatty who had Cheerios for breakfast and drank 3 liters of cola everyday.

Btw, raw anything is pretty retarded, humans have adapted to cooked food, and have been using fire to pre-digest for tens of thousands of years, best case scenario you just waste nutrients.

 

[GeckoBus]

What were you eating before?
Everytime I hear from carnivore and keto it is some fatty who had Cheerios for breakfast and drank 3 liters of cola everyday.

Btw, raw anything is pretty retarded, humans have adapted to cooked food, and have been using fire to pre-digest for tens of thousands of years, best case scenario you just waste nutrients.

im from germany, my family raised me on a balanced diet at gunpoint. Very strict

- whole wheat bread (germany has best bread quality in world). This was eaten daily in the evening
- magarine
- animal products like twice a week (butter and eggs on weekend, sometimes chicken and like a slice of pork)
- potatoes, carrots, kraut, onions, garlic
- paprika/bell pepper
- apples and oranges
- wallnut, cherries and hazlenut from our yard

My weight has never gone over like 75kg, I am 179cm.
Usually my weight was 68-73kg.

 

[NeverGetUp]

im from germany, my family raised me on a balanced diet at gunpoint. Very strict

- whole wheat bread (germany has best bread quality in world). This was eaten daily in the evening
- magarine
- animal products like twice a week (butter and eggs on weekend, sometimes chicken and like a slice of pork)
- potatoes, carrots, kraut, onions, garlic
- paprika/bell pepper
- apples and oranges
- wallnut, cherries and hazlenut from our yard

My weight has never gone over like 75kg, I am 179cm.
Usually my weight was 68-73kg.

The so called balanced diet is actually not ideal for your health since its largely plant based. No wonder you had health problems later, you didn't consume enough high quality animal products back then

 

[GeckoBus]

The so called balanced diet is actually not ideal for your health since its largely plant based. No wonder you had health problems later, you didn't consume enough high quality animal products back then

it was only when I went carnivore that I realized my family is like 70% vegetarian jfl. We barely ate any meat or animal fats. Everything was just carbs and plants. No wonder I was fucked up.

 

[Mayocel]

im from germany, my family raised me on a balanced diet at gunpoint. Very strict

- whole wheat bread (germany has best bread quality in world). This was eaten daily in the evening
- magarine
- animal products like twice a week (butter and eggs on weekend, sometimes chicken and like a slice of pork)
- potatoes, carrots, kraut, onions, garlic
- paprika/bell pepper
- apples and oranges
- wallnut, cherries and hazlenut from our yard

My weight has never gone over like 75kg, I am 179cm.
Usually my weight was 68-73kg.

Tbh twice a week for meat sounds like too little, even as a vegetarian. It's almost guaranteed you had iron deficiency at least.

Ironically I have insanely high levels of iron, if I went carnivore I would literally die.

 

[Corvus]

sounds like a great way to get heart disease

 

[wasted12years]

@wasted12years thots?

It's a good diet (million times better than what most people eat today, goyslop and grains etc) but the problems with the carnivore diet is that you get overly acidic eating red meat alone all the time. Cooking the meat also makes it more acidic. You need to eat some alkaline foods to not become so acidic, like fruits and vegetable juice. Raw fish and raw chicken is also alkaline but when you cook those foods they become acidic.

Cooked carnivores also loves salt which is bad, and they often take supplements which is not good. When i ate cooked carnivore i got constipated so i had to start eating the primal diet/raw carnivore and that solved it. When you cook meat you form heterocyclic amines (cooked protein) and lipid peroxides (cooked fat) which is not optimal to consume over a long period of time. Alot of people, including carnivore dieters love charred/burned meat and that's also carcinogenic.

The reason most cooked carnivores dislike organ meats is because they often taste bad when you cook them. I can't stand cooked liver, it taste pretty bad but when i eat it raw it's delicious and earthy.

 

[IceMan2000]

@wasted12years

At this point I have definitely done a fair amount of research into this topic. @GeckoBus I can't thank you enough for posting these, making this all easier to get into.

Also. I thought this was interesting. Susan Wojcicki has recently died from cancer.

Former Jewish CEO Of Jewtube Susan Wojicki Has Died

https://techcrunch.com/2024/08/09/former-youtube-ceo-susan-wojcicki-has-passed-away-at-age-56/ https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/youtube-ceo-explains-why-dislike-button-removed/...

incels.is

I found this "day in the life" article for Susan Wojcicki: https://press.farm/susan-wojcickis-daily-routine-youtubes-ceo/

From the article:

It's clear she tried to be a "health nut" of some kind by the avoidance of any meat. Probably what caused her cancer in the first place I think.

 

[wasted12years]

@wasted12years

At this point I have definitely done a fair amount of research into this topic. @GeckoBus I can't thank you enough for posting these, making this all easier to get into.

Also. I thought this was interesting. Susan Wojcicki has recently died from cancer.

Former Jewish CEO Of Jewtube Susan Wojicki Has Died

https://techcrunch.com/2024/08/09/former-youtube-ceo-susan-wojcicki-has-passed-away-at-age-56/ https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/youtube-ceo-explains-why-dislike-button-removed/...

incels.is

I found this "day in the life" article for Susan Wojcicki: https://press.farm/susan-wojcickis-daily-routine-youtubes-ceo/

From the article:

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It's clear she tried to be a "health nut" of some kind by the avoidance of any meat. Probably what caused her cancer in the first place I think.

Alot of foids think grains and vegetables are incredibly healthy and that meat is bad. Most foids eat plant based low fat diets, if they don't eat plant based they eat goyslop.

Actually one of the dietitians i follow said that his patients with cancer was very often long term vegetarians and vegans so it's no surprise.

 

[IceMan2000]

Most foids eat plant based low fat diets, if they don't eat plant based they eat goyslop.

Plenty of what they also eat and consider healthy is packed with a ton of sugar too, like yogurt bowls.

Madness now that I have a more informed opinion.

I think convenience also plays a huge role into it as well. I used to eat a ton of fruit and cereal together because it take less than minute to prepare. I thought to myself it was good because it wasn't snickers or some shit.

When i ate cooked carnivore i got constipated so i had to start eating the primal diet/raw carnivore

Is there a way you process the meat first before eating it raw or anything? Or do you live in a country where raw meat can safely be consumed?

 

[wasted12years]

Is there a way you process the meat first before eating it raw or anything? Or do you live in a country where raw meat can safely be consumed?

I also didn't eat enough fat on cooked carnivore so that might've also been the cause for constipation.

Raw meat is safe to consume where i live, but i only buy grass fed organic for the most part. If you get food poisoning from raw meat then it's often because the meat is very low quality or the animal was pumped full of antibiotics. They use very little antibiotics on animals in my country. It's worse in Spain or Cyprus for example. I've only gotten food poisoned twice in 7 years, and it was probably from cooked food, like chicken. I also ate a piece of supermarket raw liver and that made me sick, but it's only 2 times in 7 years.

 

[IceMan2000]

I've only gotten food poisoned twice in 7 year

That's an insanely low amount of times to not get food poisoning for that stretch of time. I generally get it once at least every year through bad luck. But I also live in the US and its only advised to eat certain types of fish raw, like tuna. It's the only meat I have ever had raw.

 

[IceMan2000]

I should have finished the article

More proof

 

[reveries]

I should have finished the article

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More proof

Honestly vegans vs carnivores debate is exactly the same as IT vs incels. It only takes a very little critical thinking to understand that IT/vegans are fundamentally wrong and delusional, yet most normies tend to generally agree with them, but then the reality bites them back one day - vegans get sick/die and bluepillers get divorceraped.

Carnivores and blackpillers are simply the ones intellectually honest enough to admit the truth of our reality, for which they're hated by coping normies who wish to keep enjoying their goyslop/comforting bluepilled beliefs. They're fucking cowards.

 

[GeckoBus]

@wasted12years

At this point I have definitely done a fair amount of research into this topic. @GeckoBus I can't thank you enough for posting these, making this all easier to get into.

Also. I thought this was interesting. Susan Wojcicki has recently died from cancer.

Former Jewish CEO Of Jewtube Susan Wojicki Has Died

https://techcrunch.com/2024/08/09/former-youtube-ceo-susan-wojcicki-has-passed-away-at-age-56/ https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/youtube-ceo-explains-why-dislike-button-removed/...

incels.is

I found this "day in the life" article for Susan Wojcicki: https://press.farm/susan-wojcickis-daily-routine-youtubes-ceo/

From the article:

View attachment 1219539

It's clear she tried to be a "health nut" of some kind by the avoidance of any meat. Probably what caused her cancer in the first place I think.

Steve Jobs too.
This diet is the only thing that did anything for me. Literally like one of the only 1-3 things that improved my life for real.

Alot of foids think grains and vegetables are incredibly healthy and that meat is bad. Most foids eat plant based low fat diets, if they don't eat plant based they eat goyslop.

Actually one of the dietitians i follow said that his patients with cancer was very often long term vegetarians and vegans so it's no surprise.

interesting. My mom also eats like that and almost died this year from severe anemia. I told my dad years ago she's developing health issues but he ignored my advice despite agreed initially.

Back then I had just learned about oxalates and my mom was developing joint inflammation. One of my male ancestors was a local General physician and one story in my family was this:

He recognized that all these villagers with arthritis and joint issues were eating certain plants, especially rhubarb, which is extremely oxalate heavy.

So he would personally show up at people's houses and rip it out. People thought it was funny to see the local doctor ripping out plants in people's yards so the story survived.

I have shown my mom and dad the data. They don't care and just ray-peat Pepsi Co. propaganda from the 1980s to defend why potato crisps and soda are real food. My dad lost all his teeth in his 30s and 40s. There are other health issues to.

I could go on and on. I don't like people relying too much on genetics in the incel community because nutrition has such a massive impact. I'm a perfectly example of 3rd generation degeneration. My dad is very big and heavy and yet complains about being fed "expensive meat" by his parents.

His dad was even bigger and athletic.
My brother is mid heavy and taller than me. And I'm autistic, shorter than my dad and little brother, on average 15-30kg lighter, I'm literally my moms weight.

I was raised on a perfect food pyramid diet of lots of cheap whole grains, veggies and plants fats.

They mostly did this because it's cheap. But you always pay. Either pay now for better food or later with your health and medical bills.

When I tried carnivore back home my family bullied me until I stopped.
This is part of why I had to run away and become homeless, they were literally killing me. I had diabetic coma daily, insane health issues and no help.

When homeless, I could finally structure my own day. So I ate the shittiest keto-carnivore diet I could because you can't store food in shelter.

Basically pasteurized high fat Greek yogurt 10% fat. 1kg of that.
Pasteurized milk. Cheese. These precooked meatballs from stores.

I made some high meat from ground beef and ate it. I also dried out pork and beef under my bed in the shelter.

Shit myself from eating goat cheese.
Buttermilk too as cope.

I also didn't eat enough fat on cooked carnivore so that might've also been the cause for constipation.

I'm on cooked and this is my issue rn. Getting fat in. I want to eat 250g of butter a day but fuck. I also ate raw pork from the supermarket 3 days ago because I craved it suddenly. It was giga lean though.

That's an insanely low amount of times to not get food poisoning for that stretch of time. I generally get it once at least every year through bad luck. But I also live in the US and its only advised to eat certain types of fish raw, like tuna. It's the only meat I have ever had raw.

the country is key. I'm from Germany and we are a heavily regulated pork nation. So eating raw pork is fine here. Not much else affordable to get anyways. However, I would never eat pork from the UK or US.

In Germany we customarily eat raw meat, we call it "mett" which is probably literally the same word as "meat" just older variant.

I've also never had food poisoning from raw meat, only from supermarket cooked chicken liver and fish and I've literally eaten rotten beef liver, rotten ground meats, spoiled chicken and raw beef liver.

Imo terrain theory mostly applies. If the body is unhealthy you get sick. A healthy person can eat shit that would give others food poisoning and be fine.

Honestly vegans vs carnivores debate is exactly the same as IT vs incels. It only takes a very little critical thinking to understand that IT/vegans are fundamentally wrong and delusional, yet most normies tend to generally agree with them, but then the reality bites them back one day - vegans get sick/die and bluepillers get divorceraped.

Carnivores and blackpillers are simply the ones intellectually honest enough to admit the truth of our reality, for which they're hated by coping normies who wish to keep enjoying their goyslop/comforting bluepilled beliefs. They're fucking cowards.

it's a looks thing too. Never seen a long term vegan who doesn't look shrimpled up like they just escaped from concentration camp.

In contrast carnivores have good skin and look normal. We are living examples thar nutrition science is fundamentally flawed, all of us should have scurvy at this point. Also it's not an ego thing like with militant vegetarians and vegans. Carnivore is not an ideology like veganism is for many. We are not dogmatic about what to do since most of us just want to heal and come from a long trial-and-error phase with nutrition.

Many if not most carnivore eaters experimented with vegan or vegetarian diets before switching. It's like the blackpill. You go through bluepill and get wrecked, then Redpill, eventually blackpill.

As you say many of them normies are simply too afraid to eat like this. Idgaf though because this diet saved me from feeling like I'm dying literally.

 

[Cowcel]

I can't eat meat everyday because it's expensive but I eat eggs, and yoghurt alot

 

[GeckoBus]

I can't eat meat everyday because it's expensive but I eat eggs, and yoghurt alot

mogs 99% of standard diets already nigga.

 

[proudweeb]

IMO grains are pretty bad and should be avoided. Whole wheat or not. Agriculture is only 10,000 years old so we never really had time to evolve to that stuff. I always feel like shit if I eat any sort of bread. Fruits and veggies are fine

I've tried higher meat amounts but I get horrible gas if I have more than 1 meat serving a day. Just too much protein for me

 

[Cowcel]

mogs 99% of standard diets already nigga.

I eat some shitty processed stuff sometimes like sausage, cottage cheese or philadelphia cream cheese but I'm to eat as raw as possible.

IMO grains are pretty bad and should be avoided. Whole wheat or not. Agriculture is only 10,000 years old so we never really had time to evolve to that stuff. I always feel like shit if I eat any sort of bread. Fruits and veggies are fine

I've tried higher meat amounts but I get horrible gas if I have more than 1 meat serving a day. Just too much protein for me

Chia and oats too?

 

[proudweeb]

Chia and oats too?

I do eat some oatmeal, seems tolerable for my system. Rice as well, I'm eating some rn lol

Yogurt, it's tough to find the good stuff with high fat content and no sugar. 95% of yogurt is absolutely overloaded with added sugar

I eat a lot of cheese (saturated fat+protein, no carbs) but other than that I avoid dairy

 

[Cowcel]

I do eat some oatmeal, seems tolerable for my system. Rice as well, I'm eating some rn lol

I guess is different for everyone

Yogurt, it's tough to find the good stuff with high fat content and no sugar. 95% of yogurt is absolutely overloaded with added sugar

I eat a lot of cheese (saturated fat+protein, no carbs) but other than that I avoid dairy

Try to find greek yoghurt with the skin on top if you can and avoid the ones with added sugar

 

[GeckoBus]

I've tried higher meat amounts but I get horrible gas if I have more than 1 meat serving a day. Just too much protein for me

I have that issue too, idk how to deal with it. That's why I want to try raw meat, and change my protein/fat ratio to include way less protein and tons of fat.

 

[GeckoBus]

Try to find greek yoghurt with the skin on top if you can and avoid the ones with added sugar

is it that hard to find just plain greek yogurt outside europe? Like ive heard that in the US everything has sugar in it compared to europe. At my store you can get 10% fat greek yogurt, just plain.

 

[Cowcel]

is it that hard to find just plain greek yogurt outside europe? Like ive heard that in the US everything has sugar in it compared to europe. At my store you can get 10% fat greek yogurt, just plain.

Idk I live in Greece so it's everywhere and can find it from good source too but in America everything seems gigaprocessed and filled with useless shit so that's why I said it

 

[GeckoBus]

Idk I live in Greece so it's everywhere and can find it from good source too but in America everything seems gigaprocessed and filled with useless shit so that's why I said it

yeah i heard from ppl that went that even the bread in the US is so sweet its like cake to us.
Food sourcing in america is shit ngl

 

[IceMan2000]

Many if not most carnivore eaters experimented with vegan or vegetarian diets before switching. It's like the blackpill. You go through bluepill and get wrecked, then Redpill, eventually blackpill.

That describes me to a T.

I was actually on on a bit of a vegetarian/bread free diet for a (7-11) few weeks. At the time I still had the "meat bad" mindset. Surprisingly I did manage to lose quite a lot of weight, but I noticed I started developing horrible bowel movements. I thought I had a case of Irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), it was really starting to affect my normal routines. As I went off the diet it started happening less and less but I never made the connection at the time.

 

[edgelordcel]

No diet for your face + cope.

 

[edgelordcel]

Normies.is

 

[Kaiju]

When I tried carnivore back home my family bullied me until I stopped.
This is part of why I had to run away and become homeless, they were literally killing me. I had diabetic coma daily, insane health issues and no help.

Started 3 days ago, so far only noticing better stool. My family heavily disapproves of it because they're brainwashed with the food pyramid stuff and 'too much meat bad'. I can't teach old dogs new tricks so I just started buying my own food. They still try to force me into eating some seed oil carb slop by cooking it and guilt tripping me when I don't eat it. The social estrangement and stress they're giving me daily is probably almost as bad as a poor diet. It gets bad because I'm dealing with what I assume is carb withdrawal anxiety/depression at night, think I need more fat to compensate. I've been treating it with 2-3 cups of pasteurized milk which isn't a good idea in the long term. I'm mostly winging it with intuition but I've been learning a bit through Aajonus and Ken Berry

I'm starting with cooked meats, hopefully incorporating raw dairy soon. Did try a chunk of top sirloin raw (seared surface) as the source was only half questionable. The taste was great and it was significantly easier to eat than the rest I cooked which was dry and chewy.

 

[GeckoBus]

Started 3 days ago, so far only noticing better stool. My family heavily disapproves of it because they're brainwashed with the food pyramid stuff and 'too much meat bad'. I can't teach old dogs new tricks so I just started buying my own food. They still try to force me into eating some seed oil carb slop by cooking it and guilt tripping me when I don't eat it. The social estrangement and stress they're giving me daily is probably almost as bad as a poor diet.

I went through the same thing and can 100% relate. I could only start focusing on my diet once I moved out. Stay strong. They also did the guilt tripping and all that. Even took my meat and cooked it in oils and carbs then fed it back to me. Insane.
Fight for your health, don't let them gaslight you about how you feel about your body - you know your body. I was gaslit for years about my health issues.

It gets bad because I'm dealing with what I assume is carb withdrawal anxiety/depression at night, think I need more fat to compensate. I've been treating it with 2-3 cups of pasteurized milk which isn't a good idea in the long term. I'm mostly winging it with intuition but I've been learning a bit through Aajonus and Ken Berry

It takes around 3-4 days for the carbs to leave the system, then you go into ketosis. You will notice because you will feel weaker but also have mental clarity and calm. The weakness is just from not being used to burning fat yet, it goes away.
You can also slowly reduce the amount of carbs you are eating over time.

I'm starting with cooked meats, hopefully incorporating raw dairy soon. Did try a chunk of top sirloin raw (seared surface) as the source was only half questionable. The taste was great and it was significantly easier to eat than the rest I cooked which was dry and chewy.

cooked vs raw debate is wild, dont get trapped. Do what you feel best on. Always remember meat is 60% water when raw. Cats dont need much water because they get their water from raw meat in nature. Thats why its bad to feed them dry kibble, they get skin issues from dry food.
Just make sure you get enough fat, thats usually why people get carb cravings, lack of fat.

What health issues do you have btw?

 

[Kaiju]

I went through the same thing and can 100% relate. I could only start focusing on my diet once I moved out. Stay strong. They also did the guilt tripping and all that. Even took my meat and cooked it in oils and carbs then fed it back to me. Insane.
Fight for your health, don't let them gaslight you about how you feel about your body - you know your body. I was gaslit for years about my health issues.

If I give in to pressure, I'll still try to minimize my carb and PUFA intake until I can move out. I'm very adamant about my beliefs as everything makes sense and so far it's going as expected. I'd be giving in knowing I'll be less healthy in the meantime because I'm not ready to go homeless yet. I admire your determination to live how you see fit even if faced with homelessness, not that it was just about diet. Being dragged down by people whom have a very different idea of optimal living is draining. I tried to calmly reason with them but they just resort to calling me crazy and freaking out, it's hysterical.

cooked vs raw debate is wild, dont get trapped. Do what you feel best on. Always remember meat is 60% water when raw. Cats dont need much water because they get their water from raw meat in nature. Thats why its bad to feed them dry kibble, they get skin issues from dry food.

I agree with wasted12years' thoughts on it. Atm trying to reach more optimal health before going raw in case of sickness with supermarket meat. I'd face even more negative backlash from family. It's a bummer I can't even get healthy non soy-corn fed eggs with a saturated orange-red yolk.

Just make sure you get enough fat, thats usually why people get carb cravings, lack of fat.

Got it. Carb cravings are subsiding and I'm getting to a point where carb-heavy treats don't look like food anymore. The addicting shit they put in it is like a drug.

What health issues do you have btw?

Fortunately nothing too severe so far, haven't had a checkup in years so no diagnoses. Low-energy for much of the day despite being in my early 20s, just rotted in my room. Brain fog. My stool was always bad. I have bad dandruff. I imagine I'd have more severe issues as I age on a PUFA-carb diet like my boomer relatives do. I have a weak heart too after correcting a heart murmur in my youth, so I think this would minimize future heart complications.

The supposed mental benefits appeal to me. Carnivores often mention feeling more relaxed, I'm anxious and skiddish around people. Whether or not I'm truly suicidal/nihilistic depends on how my body thus mind feels, this has been cemented in me after seeing how much a change in my diet drastically influences my mental state.