Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
Welcome to Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate Forum
Welcome! This is a forum for involuntary celibates: people who lack a significant other. Are you lonely and wish you had someone in your life? You're not alone! Join our forum and talk to people just like you.
They always want to escape their hellholes where they have basically no rights or liberties then they want to come here and preach to us about first world problems like niggers not being allowed to rob and murder with impunity. Doesn't matter where they come from, what ethnicity, they're here to destroy the United States and the West. View attachment 275695
View attachment 275740 @loserkarthusplayer@islamicincel@RREEEEEEEEE@Pengwin@Opus132
When you describe anything with words, They might mean multiple different things depending on the context, or the readers viewpoint. Which is why legal scripture is always ridiculously long. They have to cover every angle to prevent lawsuits.
Illiterate desert hobos who wrote quran, didnt have the skills or the knowledge to pull that off. So now we are left with a shitty story book that can mean anything. Which is why every new advancement of tech some idiot writer in a newspaper claims "it was in the quran all along".
BULLSHIT.
You are supposed to head towards Qibla during prayer. But wait, we live on a globe! What if you are on the opposite side of the world? If your direction is a vector which wraps around the world, extended infinitely, will always go through Kaaba. If it doesnt wrap around the world, than you will never face the correct direction, because you should face the ground (somehow).
That is why they are illiterate desert hobos. They didnt know this, and never planned on their religion spreading worldwide.
Imagine thinking that 1000+ years of Islamic civilization had it wrong all along and you got it right. It's the same mindset that led to Protestantism among the Christians
You'd have a point if Luther had become Orthodox. But he didn't. He pulled his own version of what Christianity was supposed to be "originally" (a 1000 years after the fact, as if he could have possibly known) out of nowhere which led to the permanent fracture of western Christendom.
The fact some of his criticisms of the Catholic church were correct doesn't mean he was justified in inventing his own religion, and it is because of his example that we have so many deranged Christian sects today, like the Mormons. For if Luther was justified in reforming the tradition from the ground up, who is to say Joseph Smith didn't have the same right as well?
Which is not to say there aren't many noble aspects in early Protestantism (a lot of which were just things from medieval Catholicism that lingered on, to wit, early Anglicanism), but the seeds of degeneration were there form the outset.
You'd have a point if Luther had become Orthodox. But he didn't. He pulled his own version of what Christianity was supposed to be "originally" (a 1000 years after the fact, as if he could have possibly known) out of nowhere which led to the permanent fracture of western Christendom.
The fact some of his criticisms of the Catholic church were correct doesn't mean he was justified in inventing his own religion, and it is because of his example that we have so many deranged Christian sects today, like the Mormons. For if Luther was justified in reforming the tradition from the ground up, who is to say Joseph Smith didn't have the same right as well?
Which is not to say there aren't many noble aspects in early Protestantism (a lot of which were just things from medieval Catholicism that lingered on, to wit, early Anglicanism), but the seeds of degeneration were there form the outset.
he was more against the current state of the Papacy than anything else. he wasn't proposing any kind of new, radical theology that branched off from previous Christianity. for example, one of his biggest issues with the Church at the time was indulgences, which are literally never mentioned or approved in scripture. from his perspective the Catholic Church had become a fraudulent organization that was exploiting faith for their own gain, without any mind to actual Christian tradition. he actually saw Protestantism as a conservative movement, returning to how Christianity had been for the past thousand years
your description is pretty apt though when it comes to Anabaptists and other weird heresies that had no root in any previous Christian practice
View attachment 275740 @loserkarthusplayer@islamicincel@RREEEEEEEEE@Pengwin@Opus132
When you describe anything with words, They might mean multiple different things depending on the context, or the readers viewpoint. Which is why legal scripture is always ridiculously long. They have to cover every angle to prevent lawsuits.
Illiterate desert hobos who wrote quran, didnt have the skills or the knowledge to pull that off. So now we are left with a shitty story book that can mean anything. Which is why every new advancement of tech some idiot writer in a newspaper claims "it was in the quran all along".
BULLSHIT.
You are supposed to head towards Qibla during prayer. But wait, we live on a globe! What if you are on the opposite side of the world? If your direction is a vector which wraps around the world, extended infinitely, will always go through Kaaba. If it doesnt wrap around the world, than you will never face the correct direction, because you should face the ground (somehow).
That is why they are illiterate desert hobos. They didnt know this, and never planned on their religion spreading worldwide.
The Arabs were anything but "illiterate" and were in fact a culture devoted to language and poetry. Now of course they didn't rely on the written word alone, everything was passed down orally but that was the same for many "primordial" cultures, including that of the northern Europeans for that matter. Beowulf, one of their greatest epic, was written down only in the 9th century but had existed as an oral tradition for centuries before that. Likewise for the epics of Homer, which was also handed down orally.
In a way, this oral tradition also shaped the Quran as well, hence the importance of vocal recitation in the Islamic tradition.
With that said, the Quran didn't come from the Arabs, even though it invariably has an Arab ethnic coloring given the Arabs were used as a vessel for the Revelation, but it came from God so when dealing with questions of meaning and interpretation you cannot focus only on the "literal" meaning of the words. There are supernatural truths hidden in the text which can only be perceived inwardly, and that accounts for the enduring quality of this particular text, which has a power unlike any other work of literature (the same applies for other religious texts). And that is why i'm fundamentally opposed to this notion that the "true" religion is the one that is "closest" to the origin because the text cannot be reduced to the "letter that killeth" alone, and what a person extracts or extrapolates from the text can often differ from that of another person hence the value of a traditional line of scholars and sages, for every insight gained by an erudite mind is valuable, even when scholars contradict one another, for sometimes more than one perspective can be extrapolated from the text and that's not taking into account the meaning millions of Muslims derived from the scripture which was inward and thus invisible to posterity, but could be felt across the entire culture (not so much today though, sadly).
So there's an exoteric interpretation of the text, which is outward and is the basis for Muslim law, and there is an esoteric interpretation, which is inward and unspoken, and there have been scholars and sages that have contributed to both and the idea of throwing all this away in the name of returning to a kind of primordial purity that cannot be restored anyway is simply foolish, and that this is done in the name of the most strict reductionism when it comes to the interpretation of the text doesn't help either.
Lastly, this idea of returning to the "beginning" is metaphysically flawed because this beginning is envisioned temporally and historically. The truth is that the "origin" of the Quran is above time and space altogether, because this origin is in the eternal, so that anyone at any point can return to this "origin" to the degree they are able to pierce through the veil and get a glimpse of the eternal meaning of the text. Likewise for those who think Islam is a "continuation" of Judaism or Christianity. In truth it isn't, because the source of the Revelation is not those previous religions, but the source of those religions itself, this source being God, which is to say that every Revelation is "original" in the supreme sense, regardless of whatever element the visible form may seem to "borrow" from previous Revelations.
You are supposed to head towards Qibla during prayer. But wait, we live on a globe! What if you are on the opposite side of the world? If your direction is a vector which wraps around the world, extended infinitely, will always go through Kaaba. If it doesnt wrap around the world, than you will never face the correct direction, because you should face the ground (somehow).
That is why they are illiterate desert hobos. They didnt know this, and never planned on their religion spreading worldwide.
Except science cannot "refute" religion because religion and science inhabit two completely different realities, one supernatural and eternal, the other physical and contingent.
In that respect, Muslims who try to claim that the Quran "proves" science are simply demonstrating they have a sense of inferiority towards the west. That's all it is, they no longer have any faith in the supernatural nature of the Quran or of Islam, so they have to justify the latter according to the standards of the modern west because they don't think the standards previously used to demonstrate the truth of religion and Revelation are to be taken seriously anymore, by the very people who adhere to said religion and Revelation, which is kinda sad.
Imagine thinking that 1000+ years of Islamic civilization had it wrong all along and you got it right. It's the same mindset that led to Protestantism among the Christians which spawned all those retarded preachers from America.
Except she pulled this shit off with the help of Cucknadians, Gaytheists, and Christcucks. So no, you only managed to subvert much like your Kike overlords.
Except science cannot "refute" religion because religion and science inhabit two completely different realities, one supernatural and eternal, the other physical and contingent.
In that respect, Muslims who try to claim that the Quran "proves" science are simply demonstrating they have a sense of inferiority towards the west. That's all it is, they no longer have any faith in the supernatural nature of the Quran or of Islam, so they have to justify the latter according to the standards of the modern west because they don't think the standards previously used to demonstrate the truth of religion and Revelation are to be taken seriously anymore, by the very people who adhere to said religion and Revelation, which is kinda sad.
Honestly, you go way too easy on religion.
There might be a god somewhere after all. Who knows?
There is something I do know, though. All holy books are man made.
The fact that they think they heard the words from god is as real to me as a drug addict claiming that they saw flying pink elephants.
The fact that the claims arent testable does not save them from scrutiny.
Honestly, you go way too easy on religion.
There might be a god somewhere after all. Who knows?
There is something I do know, though. All holy books are man made.
The fact that they think they heard the words from god is as real to me as a drug addict claiming that they saw flying pink elephants.
The fact that the claims arent testable does not save them from scrutiny.
I’m not against Sunnah or Islamic theological tradition. Actually, I think it’s very based. I just wanted to know what the true ‘version’ of Islam in his opinion. This guy in the videos is a Guenon’s disciple. Isn’t it.
This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.