More people have died on America Mexico border than the Berlin wall

[Caesercel]

Now one might argue that the Mexican border is huge while the Berlin wall was within a city. But even if you calculate per km per unit of time, there are still more deaths on the Mexican border.

And we are supposed to believe that the wall jumpers were escaping "muh ebil gommunism hunger" meanwhile more people try to escape the Capitalist Mexico right in front of our eyes.

 

[AsiaCel]

To be honest, for third world countries, assuming that they don't get a genocidal dictator who wants to kill millions, socialism is a better system.

Cuba is a shithole but we don't hear the crazy daily cartel shootings and tortures from them.

A brutal and totaliarian system (usual the case for third world socialism before 1990s) but at least there was order and crimes were kept low.

You had a job so you didn't had to join cartel gangs.

 

[Emba]

I want to escape to eUruguay

 

[Caichan]

I want to escape to eUruguay

ain no way

 

[AutistSupremacist]

To be honest, for third world countries, assuming that they don't get a genocidal dictator who wants to kill millions, socialism is a better system.

Cuba is a shithole but we don't hear the crazy daily cartel shootings and tortures from them.

A brutal and totaliarian system (usual the case for third world socialism before 1990s) but at least there was order and crimes were kept low.

You had a job so you didn't had to join cartel gangs.

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This is quite true. I often think of Eritrea which is a totalitarian one party isolationist state but has almost no crime at all. Meanwhile in neighbouring Ethiopia, Sudan and Somalia there is terrorists doing all sorts shenangians.

 

[Excalibur]

Mexico is a shithole because it’s full of Mexicans, not because of its economic system. If it became socialist or communist it’d still be a shithole comparable to Cuba and Venezuela.

 

[Excalibur]

Chile today is the most prosperous country in LATAM today thanks to capitalism + an efficient white elite. Socialism can bring stability, but the countries will continue to be turd world and stagnant.

 

[AsiaCel]

Mexico is a shithole because it’s full of Mexicans, not because of its economic system. If it became socialist or communist it’d still be a shithole comparable to Cuba and Venezuela.

Tbh the population quality is even worse in Cuba. Caribbean negroes and all that.

 

[Caesercel]

an efficient white elite. .

Not a factor whatsoever

 

[Lonely Slav]

Not a factor whatsoever

Need you be reminded who even established the country and imposed order to it in the first place? Tip: it sure as hell wasn't the natives who were running around the jungle in loincloths and licking frogs to get high prior to that.

 

[Caesercel]

Need you be reminded who even established the country and imposed order to it in the first place? Tip: it sure as hell wasn't the natives who were running around the jungle in loincloths and licking frogs to get high prior to that.

The natives no longer exist. The people living there are direct descendents of settlers

 

[Deleted Member 8090]

Who the fuck would want to live in Mexico? It's a spic shithole. I understand why they want to leave.

But everyone needs to therefore understand why we DON'T want them to leave, at least to here. They will make our country into the next spic shithole

 

[Lonely Slav]

The natives no longer exist. The people living there are direct descendents of settlers

Certainly not the average populace, that's just wishful thinking. Perhaps a good portion the high socioeconomic classes are (who are largely of European immigrant descent).

 

[Caesercel]

Certainly not the average populace,

Then where did they come from. Certainly not the natives who died off enmasse. These countries were established by settlers, the very ancestors of people living there today. Maybe a bit mix raced now but that's wholly irrelevant.

 

[Emba]

ain no way

You're right about that

 

[Lonely Slav]

Then where did they come from. Certainly not the natives who died off enmasse.

There was no large-scale systematic genocide like there was in North America. most natives were absorbed into the colonial population through centuries of intermixing - same goes for most of Latin America.

These countries were established by settlers, the very ancestors of people living there today. Maybe a bit mix raced now but that's wholly irrelevant.

Most people living there today are European halfbreeds, so it isn't "wholly irrelevant."

An autosomal DNA study from 2014 found Chile to possess a genepool averaging 51.85% (± 5.44%) European, 44.34% (± 3.9%) Indigenous, and 3.81% (± 0.45%) African DNA.[25] The genetic study was conducted across all regions of Chile, and while it "ratified the preponderance of mestizaje in Chile",[26] it also found "the indigenous presence is marked by a curve in the Chilean territory. In the north, between Arica and Coquimbo, and in the south, between La Araucanía and Aysén, the genes of indigenous Amerindians exceeds 50%. Only in the central region and the far south does the European component surpass [the Amerindian component]."[27] However, the majority of Chile's population is concentrated in the central regions of the country.

Chileans - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

LatAm's mongrelization is a well documented and known event. Why is it an affront for you to even notice this? I am genuinely curious about that.

 

[Excalibur]

Not a factor whatsoever

It is. Mestizos and amerindians are low-IQ and can't rule themselves well. They're atrocious human capital.

Chile's ruling elite was dominated by Europeans, particularly Englishmen and Germans, who were progressive thinkers and interested in the development of Chile. This contrasted with the other oligarchies of Latin America, which were comparatively backward and short sighted.

 

[Excalibur]

Then where did they come from. Certainly not the natives who died off enmasse. These countries were established by settlers, the very ancestors of people living there today. Maybe a bit mix raced now but that's wholly irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant. Indigenism and a total rejection of European/Western influence both past and present is popular in LATAM, especially among the left.

 

[Lonely Slav]

It is. Mestizos and amerindians are low-IQ and can't rule themselves well. They're atrocious human capital.

Chile's ruling elite was dominated by Europeans, particularly Englishmen and Germans, who were progressive thinkers and interested in the development of Chile. This contrasted with the other oligarchies of Latin America, which were comparatively backward and short sighted.

The elite wasn't dominated by foreigners per se: most belonged to old colonial families (albeit with significant European admixture) with European immigrants joining and marrying into that class over time.

 

[Blackpill Monk]

Cuba is a shithole but we don't hear the crazy daily cartel shootings and tortures from them.

Tbh yes you are right. Despite Cuba is a poverty ridden, it's not very violent and unstable

 

[Blackpill Monk]

Eritrea which is a totalitarian one party isolationist state but has almost no crime at all. Meanwhile in neighbouring Ethiopia, Sudan and Somalia there is terrorists doing all sorts shenangians.

Despite being in Poverty, it's extremely stable, don't have any violent crime or war. I hope if every African nations were like that

 

[Blackpill Monk]

Tbh the population quality is even worse in Cuba. Caribbean negroes and all that.

Even Afro-Caribbean nations are far more stable than Mainland Latin American nations

 

[Blackpill Monk]

The natives no longer exist. The people living there are direct descendents of settlers

They are all mixed muttoids

 

[Caesercel]

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Most people living there today are European halfbreeds, so it isn't "wholly irrelevant."

Yes it is. Atleast to the point I am trying to make. Either the white settlers there established failed nations or their failure
has little to do with them being "Mexicans" . You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

It's not irrelevant. Indigenism and a total rejection of European/Western influence both past and present is popular in LATAM, especially among the left.

That's not the reason why latin american countries are poor enough for them to flee to USA at the first chance. To believe so is wishful thinking. Infact one could see why they would reject european/western influence in the first place considering their history with europe and then with America. Because those things are part of the material reason why they are poor shitholes in the first place.

Itsy true that if not for European settlers these places wouldn't exist as they do today. But it's also a fact that today they exist as poor shitholes, . So, you cannot absolve Europeans from responsibility for it and then turn around and tell me that european managed/ruled places are havens, when the LATAM as a whole is a direct result of european settlement/rule/management.

 

[LeonTheSilent]

I want to escape to eUruguay

No escape for your face.

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

The difference between the USA and Mexico is much greater than that between East and West Germany. The sources disagree a bit when it comes to the 80s, which is when the Eastern Bloc’s economic growth rates collapsed, but otherwise agree that for most of East Germany’s existence, its GDP per capita (adjusted for PPP) was about half of West Germany’s.

Compare that to the US, whose per capita GDP by that metric is about three and a half times bigger than Mexico’s right now, and over seven times higher in nominal terms. Leaving Mexico for the US is simply a much better choice than going west was for East Germans just out of economic reasons, and that’s not even mentioning the crime situation in Mexico and everything that comes with it, which had no counterpart in East Germany.

 

[hatepilledandrich]

Even Afro-Caribbean nations are far more stable than Mainland Latin American nations

The insane truth, aside from Haiti atleast.

 

[Blackpill Monk]

The insane truth, aside from Haiti atleast.

Yes, except Haiti, every AfroCarribean nation is quite stable

 

[Caesercel]

The difference between the USA and Mexico is much greater than that between East and West Germany. The sources disagree a bit when it comes to the 80s, which is when the Eastern Bloc’s economic growth rates collapsed, but otherwise agree that for most of East Germany’s existence, its GDP per capita (adjusted for PPP) was about half of West Germany’s.

Compare that to the US, whose per capita GDP by that metric is about three and a half times bigger than Mexico’s right now, and over seven times higher in nominal terms. Leaving Mexico for the US is simply a much better choice than going west was for East Germans just out of economic reasons, and that’s not even mentioning the crime situation in Mexico and everything that comes with it, which had no counterpart in East Germany.

Sure. As long as we recognise the varied histories of these places instead of blaming the immigrations on communism when those places were relatively poor to begin with.

 

[Emba]

No escape for your face.

);

 

[Thaway]

Well, what you gonna do about it? Also, wtf does foreign immigration have to do with the berlin wall?

 

[Caesercel]

Also, wtf does foreign immigration have to do with the berlin wall?

I am debunking the idea that the iron curtain was the direct result of people fleeing the "horrors of gommunism". But the iron curtain fell and the population flight never stopped

 

[Thaway]

But the iron curtain fell and the population flight never stopped

Could you explain this to me? What do you mean by this?

 

[Manlet]

Mexico is a shithole because it’s full of Mexicans