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Serious Modernity and its failure.

NeetSupremacist

NeetSupremacist

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What is the most important thing in life to achieve? More than materialistic achievements or any other thing in life? It's inner peace, it's about being content with your life. Peace in your mind, peace in your mood and peace in your direct environment. I've seen in my personal life how rich people don't necessarily have a good life. One day I was picked up by an uncle I have, he's a rich business man with allot of wealth and a expansive car. I observed him when he was driving the car, every 10 minutes he had a phone-call related to his work and he would always seem very stressful. He didn't seem happy to me even though he's rich and has great materialistic advancement. From that day on I was thinking about modernity and materialism, is modernity and materialism really the answer to ultimate happiness? When we're old and dying, will materialism and modernity be our answer to have lived a life without regret?


2000 years ago when there was no materialistic advance on this planet, people would still be happy and live good lives. Sure the nature of the world was harsher than today, wars weren't easy because you literally needed to sacrifice your body on the front-lines. You didn't had rockets to kill of your entire enemy, however thanks to those harsh conditions people would be content with life. Everything was done with honesty, even relationships with females were better because you as a man would literally defend your wife, there was a sincere form of love not disturbed by online dating and a slut promoting environment. Materialistic advancement is not the answer to happiness, the real answer to happiness is inner peace and peace with yourself. That 'happiness' is to be found at all times and not only in materialistic advanced civilizations. Even today the poor people in Africa living in their huts are able to find this peace. However I believe that current civilization has disturbed the balance of this planet, where it becomes much harder to find this inner peace.

There are certain factors on this planet contentiously disturbing the balance, to understand this we need to dig a bit deeper. What is the most important thing for a man on this planet? What are the basics of life? Are those basics accomplished? And if not, how can we cure this? Without any doubts, when you were born as a baby you were born because your parents reproduced, if your parents didn't reproduce you would not be born. We humans aren't that different from animals in this perspective, we are born and we grow and at a certain time in life we should reproduce. In order to keep this cycle going on without it being disturbed the humans created 'systems', these systems are naturally created by the human being in order to keep the cycle protected and not disturbed.

These systems existed in many forms and were created by almost all humans on this planet, in current times and especially since Abrahamic religions were wide-spread we call this system: "Marriage" However 'marriage' was also known among other civilized worlds pre-Christianity/Judaism/Islam like in the Rome empire, the Carthaginian empire, the ancient Egyptians and so go on. Marriage was a system and it was created not only because it was a 'godly' contract between a man and a female, it was a system to keep reproduction cycles stable and to protect it from chaos. I strongly believe the biggest part triggering modern-day inceldom is because we in the current materialistic advanced 'civilized' world we basically abandoned that system resulting in a big disturbance which not only affect the western world, it also affects the rest of the world directly or indirectly. The majority of current civilization has decided that materialistic achievements is the ultimate 'happiness', it's even more important and better than the 'inner peace'. Current civilization also propagates materialistic achievement as the ultimate happiness resulting in a culture of mass consumerism and the decline of spirituality.

The decline of spirituality results in atheism and atheism results in the destruction of morality, we're basically headed to a destruction and we can observe this with our own eyes. Because in the pre-materialistic advanced world ultimate happiness was bound to be related to spirituality and the creation of a family, spirituality would push the individual to the creation of a household and to be a good person for God. These moralistic behaviors are doomed to exist, our world is immoral and drown in atheism. 'Degeneracy' is just 1 of the symptoms of the current immoral atheistic 'civilizes' world. The implications of current 'civilization' are enormous:

• Low birth rates (every country that starts to implicate this atheistic immoral 'civilization' will lose their birh rates). Both Europe and Japan are below 2.0 per couple and it's only declining more by the year.

• Low birth rates means you need to import immigrants to keep your economy bigger and stronger, this will result in the destruction of your own culture/tradition but it also means that you will destroy the culture of those immigrants by giving them false hopes.

• Immoral practice will become the norm in the world, we can already see how homosexuality, LGBT and other immorality is the norm. Also now with social media and instagram and women having freedom they can slut themselves on the internet, basically they're modern prostitutes and society accepts it.

• Because materialist achievements are important and are the ultimate answer to happiness in current civilization we need the resources for the materialistic, resources are found all over the world but for some reason mostly on 3rd world countries. Because current civilization has measured ultimate happiness with materialism, they are prepared to conducts wars and destroy countries and even destroy whole other cultures because they need the resources. Colonization is mostly done because of resources, resources are needed because materialistic advancements is 'happiness'. Fighting wars in current day is not done because of morality or defense, wars are being fought because current civilization believes that materialistic achievement = happiness.

• Creation of worldwide inceldom is 1 of the many symptoms of what's wrong with current civilization, because there is no marriage anymore and because of immoral acts becoming the norm, women are no more fulfilling their historical roles (namely: creating a household). Also men are not fulfilling their historical roles: creating a household and protect it. Both men and women have become empty vessels living under a collective curse of fulfilling their animal desires without taking responsibility. If you're an incel and you are against what I'm saying, you're fooling yourself. You're an incel because of these conditions we're living in. As an incel you should take note and rebel against is. We're growing in numbers and the only thing I can hope for is massive rebellion.

Current modern world will eventually stop, the implications of this 'civilized' world are many and huge and I believe war will be an answer. A war between those who're not accepting this and between those who want this current establishment to go on. We can already see such wars happening, why do you think Islamists are fighting against the west? Why do you think so many groups in the middle east and Africa are rebelling against the current establishment? It's because those groups don't believe that materialistic achievements are the thing that defines happiness, in the matter of fact is 'the inner peace' which results from spirituality which defines 'ultimate happiness'. And when you understand that inner peace is what defines real happiness you will resist current civilization and current modernity. We describe these people as lunatics and savages in the west because that's how we're indoctrinated. But when you really think about it, we should all rebel against the current establishment. And even if we won't rebel, the future will rebel because people will understand that materialistic achievements are not really that which defines ultimate happiness.
 
Give this man $25.
 
Modern western society is shit. I hope the rebellion of the incels will happen as soon as possible.
 
High IQ post.

Yeah materialism is a cancer, it's destructive and pointless. The reason why I'm NEET is because I basically can't function very well in the society you described. Nothing makes sense anymore.
 
TL;DR
High IQ post.

Yeah materialism is a cancer, it's destructive and pointless. The reason why I'm NEET is because I basically can't function very well in the society you described. Nothing makes sense anymore.
Everything is "pointless" in the end.
 
TL;DR

Everything is "pointless" in the end.
Sure, but I was referring to the thread's topic regarding personal happiness. If you can't rope, then you should try to be as happy as possible, right?
 
Sure, but I was referring to the thread's topic regarding personal happiness. If you can't rope, then you should try to be as happy as possible, right?
right, but you said that "materialism is pointless" while materialism is the very pursuit of earthly happiness.
 
right, but you said that "materialism is pointless" while materialism is the very pursuit of earthly happiness.
That depends upon how you define happiness, but I'm not going to post another rant in this thread. Suffice it to say, attempting to chase pleasure is taking the wrong approach, and that's exactly what western society is centered around.
 
Tldr: we need haircuts
 
Great post.When I was a kid I was happy to be born at this time because of all the technological advances.But now I'm starting to see how pointless this materialism is and I wish I was born a century or 2 ago..
 
Time to Kaczynskimaxx
 
I've always said that when society was based around a religious foundation, there would be less degeneracy as they'd be good to maintain respect in the community and to the God.
Now that we've moved away from that, people attempt to gain respect from humans leading to this self-destructive nature in the world.
 
I've always said that when society was based around a religious foundation, there would be less degeneracy as they'd be good to maintain respect in the community and to the God.
Now that we've moved away from that, people attempt to gain respect from humans leading to this self-destructive nature in the world.

By moving away from God narcissism and narcissistic behavior has become more rampant than ever, also social media is nothing more than a mechanism to feed that narcissistic ego, why are people posting pictures on facebook and instagram of their lives? Of their smooth bodies? Of their babies? Because people moved away from God they started to think that the world revolves about them, the world belongs to them and everything that happens should be about them.
 
By moving away from God narcissism and narcissistic behavior has become more rampant than ever, also social media is nothing more than a mechanism to feed that narcissistic ego, why are people posting pictures on facebook and instagram of their lives? Of their smooth bodies? Of their babies? Because people moved away from God they started to think that the world revolves about them, the world belongs to them and everything that happens should be about them.
You hit the nail on the head. People have given up on a collective community and adopted social capitalism with the result being that now your neighbors are competitors.

Instead of being proud of your community, town, state and country, people are proud of the Mercedes in their driveway and the house they live in. These materialistic things that they probably can’t even afford without a loan from a Jew.
 
How can you claim to know anything about the happiness of humans from 2000 years ago, I imagine that they were more like animals than us. The world has gone to shit because we are very "intelligent" now but unfortunately very selfish and sometimes evil. Unless you can reverse the intelligence revolution shit will keep heading this way. I agree the meaning of life is inner happiness. I think the biggest problem here is people placing all that happiness in a cunt. If you can't control the factor then it is not a true measure of success. One can't control looks or consequently the amount of sex they have, so it is not truly important. Sure it's nice but it is fast food. The most important thing one can control is intelligence, through philosophy. And to a lesser extent athleticism. Being your best you is what truly matters.
 
Ye everything that is normally yearned for today is meaningless, everything is measured in industrial progress as if that materialism is happiness. Just human relationships like friends,family, and romantic love, and the normal struggle for survival was and still is the essential human happiness.
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Also, low birth rates atm are a good thing. If you haven't noticed this planet is horribly overpopulated.
 
More than materialistic achievements or any other thing in life? It's inner peace, it's about being content with your life.

And you only reach this inner peace with materialistic achievements.

One day I was picked up by an uncle I have, he's a rich business man with allot of wealth and a expansive car. I observed him when he was driving the car, every 10 minutes he had a phone-call related to his work and he would always seem very stressful.

Such a shitty life, right? Having a driver licence, a good car, a good work, being the first contact person, irreplaceable at work, earn loads of money and plenty of stuff to do... How horrific.

By the way, only people who have nothing in the first place say: ''materialism is bad.''
I have nothing as well, but I discovered the truth. I am nothing but replaceable junk and I hate it.
 
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Could the rise of atheism has anything to do with the fact most religions are facially absurd? Christianity may sound plausable and satisfying if you are an illiterate European peasant who thinks the world is flat. If you are a 21st Century person with a basic internet connection, you can quickly find out that believing in a God who sent his Only Son to Earth to get killed, so people could avoiding going to the Hell he created and established the rules of entry to, requires one to hang his brains in the coatroom on the way into church.
 
The hard to swallow pill is that communist nations actually had a more ideal society than todays capitalist economies. Capitalists have somehow managed to convince everyone that mass consumption= happiness. But take a look back at communism in the 1960s
Stress over housing or work wasn't a thing
Physical work was encouraged from school onwards leading to a healthier population
Family structure was supported by the government. These days people claim they can't have kids due to it being too expensive. Birth rates are plummeting. But back then? Hell even up to 1990 communist countries have a consistently rising population. Baltic States lost 1/3 of their population from 1990 to 2019. Yes communists kept their people in their countries on purpose. But that was needed to stop brain drain
Onto the military. During communist times Eastern Europe was a big military threat yet rarely an interventionist one, other than Afghanistan where they were arguably invited by the current government (and the alternative was Islamists)
I don't know how it was in other countries but in mine between 1950 and 1980 there was an immense trust in the community. Crime was an afterthought. You could leave the door unlocked no problem.

Domestic production was also at an all time high no need to exploit third world Asians.

But all of that gone because people want fast food and super markets for happiness apparently
 
That depends upon how you define happiness, but I'm not going to post another rant in this thread. Suffice it to say, attempting to chase pleasure is taking the wrong approach, and that's exactly what western society is centered around.
How exactly is it "taking the wrong approach", and why does a society which doesn't recognize you as a human being concern you so much?
 
How exactly is it "taking the wrong approach", and why does a society which doesn't recognize you as a human being concern you so much?
You want me to elaborate, but didn't even read the OP's post? JFL, alright bro. Like I said, I didn't really want to post a long rant, but since you asked I'll at least attempt to be remotely concise.

The pursuit of pleasure has two main problems, and the first, at least in part, comes from a misunderstanding of pleasure's true nature. Joy, pleasure, and all hedonic positive feelings are by and large fake, miscalculations of value. When we do something that we enjoy, like eat a good meal, watch an enjoyable show, read a book, etc, what's usually(if not always but this is debatable in the cases of sexual stimulation and drugs) happening is that we're taking a reduction in negative value and perceiving it as true positive value, when all that happened was a preexisting negative was reduced or eliminated.

To be clearer, for us to feel pleasure we usually must first experience some sort of frustration, pain, or need which we feel the urge to alleviate. Upon alleviating that negative, it feels good to us, be it hunger, thirst, sexual urges, boredom, or any possible state that we naturally strive to escape from. To us it feels as if we've reached a state of being above normal, but in reality we've simply returned to neutral. By removing that imposed negative, the contrast between the state of deprivation and now fulfillment feels pleasurable, but this is merely an illusion. That's not to say reducing or removing negative perceptions isn't a good thing, but that it's only good insofar as it cures us of that previous frustration, it's not good in and of itself. Also the unpleasant feelings always feel worse than the relief from them feels good. Pain(both emotional and especially physical) has a much greater scale of intensity possible than say, sexual pleasure(which would be the strongest possible pleasure naturally available to us, but the same still applies to drugs).

Elaborating more on the sexual stimulation and/or drugs since the same applies, as I said it's debatable whether or not these are examples of true positive value, good for their own sake. Obviously at least part of the pleasurable feeling is the removal of sexual frustration, but I think it's also obvious that this isn't all of it, that this level of dopamine release more than compensates for a negative. Orgasm feels very good, it's much more than just the removal of a preexisting urge. The problem, however, comes from the fact that too much exposure to this level of pleasurable sensation results in us beginning to expect it. That we compare the rest of our experiences to this and they all feel insufficient, we become addicted to these pleasures and in turn they lose all meaning. They don't feel good anymore, just neutral.

My point is that the best case scenario would be to avoid experiencing any of the bad in the first place, that chasing pleasure is counterproductive in regards to your overall well being, and finally that pleasure can also be addictive if you condition your brain to expect intense positive feelings(excessive fapping, sex, or drugs) to the point where the absence of them feels decidedly bad. That the goal of reducing pain is a much better one to have than maximizing pleasure. Both approaches have the same objective in mind, happiness/contentment, it's just that a concerted effort to reduce frustrations will be far more efficient towards reaching this state as opposed to a wholehearted striving for pleasure itself. There will be no needlessly exposing yourself to negative sensations to measure their reductions, and no risk of getting addicted to the dopamine release to the point where everything else feels bad by contrast.

The second problem has already been addressed by @NeetSupremacist that in our civilization's striving to satisfy the materialism of it's population, it's pillaged and enslaved much of the world to do so. The misery inflicted by this massively outweighs any sort of gain(if there even is one but I don't fucking see it) in the overall happiness of the 1st world which is being provided by this materialism.

So basically, it's fucking pointless.
 
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materialism is killing civilization
 
Which is why we need to revert Time. It doesn’t even have to be 2,000 years ago, it could be as early the 70’s. Preferably earlier but still, the incident that made 2019 how it is wasn’t supposed to happen, society made it happen.
 
You want me to elaborate, but didn't even read the OP's post? JFL, alright bro. Like I said, I didn't really want to post a long rant, but since you asked I'll at least attempt to be remotely concise.

The pursuit of pleasure has two main problems, and the first, at least in part, comes from a misunderstanding of pleasure's true nature. Joy, pleasure, and all hedonic positive feelings are by and large fake, miscalculations of value. When we do something that we enjoy, like eat a good meal, watch an enjoyable show, read a book, etc, what's usually(if not always but this is debatable in the cases of sexual stimulation and drugs) happening is that we're taking a reduction in negative value and perceiving it as true positive value, when all that happened was a preexisting negative was reduced or eliminated.

To be clearer, for us to feel pleasure we usually must first experience some sort of frustration, pain, or need which we feel the urge to alleviate. Upon alleviating that negative, it feels good to us, be it hunger, thirst, sexual urges, boredom, or any possible state that we naturally strive to escape from. To us it feels as if we've reached a state of being above normal, but in reality we've simply returned to neutral. By removing that imposed negative, the contrast between the state of deprivation and now fulfillment feels pleasurable, but this is merely an illusion. That's not to say reducing or removing negative perceptions isn't a good thing, but that it's only good insofar as it cures us of that previous frustration, it's not good in and of itself. Also the unpleasant feelings always feel worse than the relief from them feels good. Pain(both emotional and especially physical) has a much greater scale of intensity possible than say, sexual pleasure(which would be the strongest possible pleasure naturally available to us, but the same still applies to drugs).

Elaborating more on the sexual stimulation and/or drugs since the same applies, as I said it's debatable whether or not these are examples of true positive value, good for their own sake. Obviously at least part of the pleasurable feeling is the removal of sexual frustration, but I think it's also obvious that this isn't all of it, that this level of dopamine release more than compensates for a negative. Orgasm feels very good, it's much more than just the removal of a preexisting urge. The problem, however, comes from the fact that too much exposure to this level of pleasurable sensation results in us beginning to expect it. That we compare the rest of our experiences to this and they all feel insufficient, we become addicted to these pleasures and in turn they lose all meaning. They don't feel good anymore, just neutral.

My point is that the best case scenario would be to avoid experiencing any of the bad in the first place, that chasing pleasure is counterproductive in regards to your overall well being, and finally that pleasure can also be addictive if you condition your brain to expect intense positive feelings(excessive fapping, sex, or drugs) to the point where the absence of them feels decidedly bad. That the goal of reducing pain is a much better one to have than maximizing pleasure. Both approaches have the same objective in mind, happiness/contentment, it's just that a concerted effort to reduce frustrations will be far more efficient towards reaching this state as opposed to a wholehearted striving for pleasure itself. There will be no needlessly exposing yourself to negative sensations to measure their reductions, and no risk of getting addicted to the dopamine release to the point where everything else feels bad by contrast.

The second problem has already been addressed by @NeetSupremacist that in our civilization's striving to satisfy the materialism of it's population, it's pillaged and enslaved much of the world to do so. The misery inflicted by this massively outweighs any sort of gain(if there even is one but I don't fucking see it) in the overall happiness of the 1st world which is being provided by this materialism.

So basically, it's fucking pointless.
I disagree on quite a bit (like about good things not being good but just eliminating negative things)

Also, yeah, I know it's "pointless", but so fucking what, I don't care about society or civilization or humanity, and I don't see why you would either
 
I disagree on quite a bit (like about good things not being good but just eliminating negative things)
Well tbh, I wouldn't think too much about it anyway. My focus there was analyze the human experience on a macro scale, it doesn't really matter moment to moment. Something can be mostly an illusion but still feel "good" while you're experiencing it. Anyway like I said, my main point is that the pursuit of pleasure isn't really worth it, that it's a net loss overall, no more no less than that.
Also, yeah, I know it's "pointless", but so fucking what, I don't care about society or civilization or humanity, and I don't see why you would either
That's fine. Obviously I can't force someone to care.
 
well, why do YOU care?
Hmm I like to think that I care, I suppose because I'd like to see society change for the better, that I wish for a world more compatible with my values. Perhaps it's just a latent narcissism, I certainly can't prove for certain that it's not. I guess more than anything it's because I detest the modern west and everything it stands for with all of my being. I'd like to see it fail and nearly all of it's values abandoned, I'd gain some satisfaction from that.

Not that I expect anything to change of course, this is nothing but wishful thinking.
 
Hmm I like to think that I care, I suppose because I'd like to see society change for the better, that I wish for a world more compatible with my values. Perhaps it's just a latent narcissism, I certainly can't prove for certain that it's not. I guess more than anything it's because I detest the modern west and everything it stands for with all of my being. I'd like to see it fail and nearly all of it's values abandoned, I'd gain some satisfaction from that.

Not that I expect anything to change of course, this is nothing but wishful thinking.

That's how I think about it, also I don't think it's a narcissist trait because narcissist behavior is only in favor of your own self while you like many other incels want to change or see society at least transits into something for the better of everyone. Society and current 'humanist' civilization is evil, I really don't understand incels on this forum who love the current system and want to participate in the system? This system and it's whole culture is not for an incel to enjoy, and this whole system and it's culture is created to hate you and what you stand for. How pathetic it is to see incels who love this society and yet they themselves are not able to participate in this society and live a happy life. We incels are really a symptom of the curent secular world. It's in our interest to rebel against this civilized world.
 
Hmm I like to think that I care, I suppose because I'd like to see society change for the better, that I wish for a world more compatible with my values. Perhaps it's just a latent narcissism, I certainly can't prove for certain that it's not. I guess more than anything it's because I detest the modern west and everything it stands for with all of my being. I'd like to see it fail and nearly all of it's values abandoned, I'd gain some satisfaction from that.

Not that I expect anything to change of course, this is nothing but wishful thinking.
Not trying to Paul Joseph Watson you, but the west is the greatest place on Earth. It's still shit, but compared to Eastern Europe, Africa, Latin America, Asia, the west mogs them hard. Íf you hate the west so much, go join the Chinese military or something.
 
Best post I've ever read on here.
 
You're too high IQ for this forum NEET supremacist


also tfw no based galactic empire to save us from decadence
 

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