JFL "Mindfulness"

[Lv99_BixNood]

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I'm just thinking I'm incel, in reality I'm volcel Chad. Problem solved

 

[Med Anime]

I'm just thinking I'm incel, in reality I'm volcel Chad. Problem solved

true, i just discovered that i am this person rn thanks to "mindfullness"

 

[Gutless]

This is insanity.

 

[Govid_Dorious]

im trash, Brock

 

[Praise the Sun]

Honestly just a way for fat and depressed foids to feel better about themselves. If a man thought like that they would clearly tell him he's a loser and not just thinking he is.

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

Seems like cultural appropriation from Buddhism to me

 

[BornToLose]

No mindfulness for your foid-repellent face.

 

[erenyeager]

This is insanity.

 

[Iwanttolive]

Seems like cultural appropriation from Buddhism to me

yep
mindfulness being utilised to supplement capitalism is peak clown world
mindfulness was never meant to 'get rid' of negative thoughts

 

[Graceus]

mindfulness works. it doesn't cure you of pain, it just makes it a bit easier to cope. the idea that diet, exercise, good sleep, drinking water, and meditation practice is all they can really offer. doing these things might make day to day a bit easier it changes nothing about reality.

if you follow cptsd subreddits, people who are into their 40s and 50s are not "cured". they are not "healed". they cope and manage. they get good enough at it where they can work and have a few friendships, but the pain of the past haunts them forever. and this is the small minority that take the time and effort to even try to heal, those who have success with therapy, medication, "luck" even.

the ones that do the best are ones that manage to find a partner so they can fulfill the intimacy portion of Maslow's. you cannot progress until intimacy is achieved. mindfulness was theorized to be an early human adaptation to stress. in cases where the food was scarce or the weather blistering hot or freezing cold. it was necessary for survival, to activate the parasympathetic nervous system. If merely existing, alone, in a dark room, 24/7/365 is as painful as freezing or starving... I mean lol.

all the people on these forums, like any other social media, are pretending like these things are helpful in a sort of circlejerky/toxic positive type of way. it represents like a 5% improvement and they all pretend like it 180'd their entire life.

 

[Robb97]

mindfulness works. it doesn't cure you of pain, it just makes it a bit easier to cope. the idea that diet, exercise, good sleep, drinking water, and meditation practice is all they can really offer. doing these things might make day to day a bit easier it changes nothing about reality.

if you follow cptsd subreddits, people who are into their 40s and 50s are not "cured". they are not "healed". they cope and manage. they get good enough at it where they can work and have a few friendships, but the pain of the past haunts them forever. and this is the small minority that take the time and effort to even try to heal, those who have success with therapy, medication, "luck" even.

Is coping the meaning of life?

I doubt it.

If there is no meaning to life, then roping is the best option. Because of all the future pain that is still to come. Ending it is way better.

But if we assume that there is a meaning. Then it sure isn't coping.

Reforming society with the help of a revolution to decrease the total suffering on earth seems like a pretty decent meaning to me. But in order to achieve such a feat, one needs men who have strong willpower. Not those who are unable to face and solve their problems. And then indulge in copes so they feel a bit better. That just can't be it.

 

[Graceus]

Is coping the meaning of life?

Yes. Four noble truths.

1. the truth of suffering,
2. the truth of the cause of suffering,
3. the truth of the end of suffering, and
4. the truth of the path that leads to the end of suffering.

you don't have to be religious or "believe" this stuff to understand the first two truths. conditioned existence is 100% suffering, even the highest of highs because it will eventually end. the end of suffering is to end conditioned existence via the exit of samsara into nibbana. belief that worldly conditions, a career, a wife and kids, money can stave off suffering is ignorance. people spend their entire lives circling round and round chasing their tails. and everyone will fall ill, suffer, get old and frail, get cancer, watch others die, and die yourself.
you can point to some groups and their ignorance is obvious, but unless you are arahant, you are also ignorant and remained karmically fettered in conditioned existence, in samsara. The four noble truths espouse the path.

The most compelling example of the lack of the meaning of the life is discussed in Viktor Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning. When prisoners were stuck in concentration camps during WW2, the hope of liberation kept them going during the worst of the worst horrors imaginable. Many deaths, hard labor, exposure, starvation, bugs everywhere, sickness and disease, brutality of other inmates and guards. Yet, the indominable human spirit shone through and some managed to survive, even considering a tiny tiny chance of escape. Following their liberation, some of those that survived began to understand the nature of their suffering in the camps was "for nothing", i.e. that there was no obvious meaning upon returning to civilian life. Many lost their entire families, their property, their health and have nothing but nightmares and sorrow. They can't just go walking in the park, they can't just work and eat at restaurants and live mundane life. Viktor Frankl coined the term Logotherapy, which basically is a reprogramming to determine what provides meaning in someone's life. Unfortunately, this is entirely self determined and is tantamount to "cope". If you're really screwed up in a real way, it is almost impossible to find anything that provides greater meaning -- severe depression and chronic trauma does this. Even curing the acute mental health symptoms, it becomes nearly difficult to find anything externally to fill the void. It has to come from within and almost always involves engaging with other people in a prosocial way. Notice how self actualization is the top of Maslow's hierarchy, so good luck finding intrinsic motivation when you can barely shower, no friends, etc.

If there is no meaning to life, then roping is the best option. Because of all the future pain that is still to come. Ending it is way better.

There is no meaning. Why do you think so many people do chose to end it? Or people who are passively sui? Or people who do everything in their power to encourage an early death, smoking cigs, drinking/drugs, reckless behaviors? The problem with ending it, if you are religious (or even a new age esotericist) is to believe that suicide doesn't actually solve anything. you dump suffering on family, friends and acquaintances, you reincarnate as something worse, you go to hell, etc.

But if we assume that there is a meaning. Then it sure isn't coping.

When you feel fulfillment it won't feel like coping, but to a severely depressed person it will look like coping.

Reforming society with the help of a revolution to decrease the total suffering on earth seems like a pretty decent meaning to me. But in order to achieve such a feat, one needs men who have strong willpower. Not those who are unable to face and solve their problems. And then indulge in copes so they feel a bit better. That just can't be it.

A good storyteller (like the leader of the Axis powers during WW2 -- ) is all simple men and women need. Someone to frame reality in a way that provides inspiration and meaning outside the self, as long as there aren't competing ideologies leads to a harmonious society.
in today's day and age, there are extreme efforts to divide, confuse and obfuscate truth and harmony amongst commonality. Nationalism seemed to work very well in the past, but there is no political advantage to having healthy people when subversion, division and inner conflict works to control. Society needs to be organized around ensuring all needs are met according to Maslow's, it seems that a divided society, pluralistic, "free speech", "democracies" all become balkanized and collapse is all but inevitable. Multicultural society is a myth because there will be competing in groups and incentives to make haves and have-nots. Homogenous society does better because Maslow's will be implicit fulfilled and everyone is working towards a common goal, supporting each other as necessary.

 

[Robb97]

Yes. Four noble truths.

1. the truth of suffering,
2. the truth of the cause of suffering,
3. the truth of the end of suffering, and
4. the truth of the path that leads to the end of suffering.

you don't have to be religious or "believe" this stuff to understand the first two truths. conditioned existence is 100% suffering, even the highest of highs because it will eventually end. the end of suffering is to end conditioned existence via the exit of samsara into nibbana. belief that worldly conditions, a career, a wife and kids, money can stave off suffering is ignorance. people spend their entire lives circling round and round chasing their tails. and everyone will fall ill, suffer, get old and frail, get cancer, watch others die, and die yourself.
you can point to some groups and their ignorance is obvious, but unless you are arahant, you are also ignorant and remained karmically fettered in conditioned existence, in samsara. The four noble truths espouse the path.

The most compelling example of the lack of the meaning of the life is discussed in Viktor Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning. When prisoners were stuck in concentration camps during WW2, the hope of liberation kept them going during the worst of the worst horrors imaginable. Many deaths, hard labor, exposure, starvation, bugs everywhere, sickness and disease, brutality of other inmates and guards. Yet, the indominable human spirit shone through and some managed to survive, even considering a tiny tiny chance of escape. Following their liberation, some of those that survived began to understand the nature of their suffering in the camps was "for nothing", i.e. that there was no obvious meaning upon returning to civilian life. Many lost their entire families, their property, their health and have nothing but nightmares and sorrow. They can't just go walking in the park, they can't just work and eat at restaurants and live mundane life. Viktor Frankl coined the term Logotherapy, which basically is a reprogramming to determine what provides meaning in someone's life. Unfortunately, this is entirely self determined and is tantamount to "cope". If you're really screwed up in a real way, it is almost impossible to find anything that provides greater meaning -- severe depression and chronic trauma does this. Even curing the acute mental health symptoms, it becomes nearly difficult to find anything externally to fill the void. It has to come from within and almost always involves engaging with other people in a prosocial way. Notice how self actualization is the top of Maslow's hierarchy, so good luck finding intrinsic motivation when you can barely shower, no friends, etc.

There is no meaning. Why do you think so many people do chose to end it? Or people who are passively sui? Or people who do everything in their power to encourage an early death, smoking cigs, drinking/drugs, reckless behaviors? The problem with ending it, if you are religious (or even a new age esotericist) is to believe that suicide doesn't actually solve anything. you dump suffering on family, friends and acquaintances, you reincarnate as something worse, you go to hell, etc.

When you feel fulfillment it won't feel like coping, but to a severely depressed person it will look like coping.

A good storyteller (like the leader of the Axis powers during WW2 -- ) is all simple men and women need. Someone to frame reality in a way that provides inspiration and meaning outside the self, as long as there aren't competing ideologies leads to a harmonious society.
in today's day and age, there are extreme efforts to divide, confuse and obfuscate truth and harmony amongst commonality. Nationalism seemed to work very well in the past, but there is no political advantage to having healthy people when subversion, division and inner conflict works to control. Society needs to be organized around ensuring all needs are met according to Maslow's, it seems that a divided society, pluralistic, "free speech", "democracies" all become balkanized and collapse is all but inevitable. Multicultural society is a myth because there will be competing in groups and incentives to make haves and have-nots. Homogenous society does better because Maslow's will be implicit fulfilled and everyone is working towards a common goal, supporting each other as necessary.

If I was 100% sure there was no meaning in life, I would get a rush of euphoria and end myself with a big smile on my ugly ass ratface.

 

[Graceus]

If I was 100% sure there was no meaning in life, I would get a rush of euphoria and end myself with a big smile on my ugly ass ratface.

there are lots of arguments to be made about knowing for sure. since we can't tell the future, we can't say for sure there won't be something that pops up. Even if your last willful act on this earth is to like, sacrifice yourself, or to help one person out, or to make one friend. almost infinite suffering can be made to seem "worth it" on your deathbed. it's not easy, but it's possible. To ponder and explore the tragic beauty of such is to be alive.

Those of us
who had any religious faith, I said frankly, could
understand without difficulty. I told them of a comrade
who on his arrival in camp had tried to make a pact
with Heaven that his suffering and death should save
the human being he loved from a painful end. For this
man, suffering and death were meaningful; his was a
sacrifice of the deepest significance. He did not want
to die for nothing. None of us wanted that.

...
That is exactly what I did
once, for instance, when a rabbi from Eastern Europe
turned to me and told me his story. He had lost his
first wife and their six children in the concentration
camp of Auschwitz where they were gassed, and now
it turned out that his second wife was sterile. I ob-
served that procreation is not the only meaning of life,
for then life in itself would become meaningless, and
something which in itself is meaningless cannot be
rendered meaningful merely by its perpetuation. How-
ever, the rabbi evaluated his plight as an orthodox Jew
in terms of despair that there was no son of his own
who would ever say Kaddish6 for him after his death.
But I would not give up. I made a last attempt to
help him by inquiring whether he did not hope to see
his children again in Heaven. However, my question
was followed by an outburst of tears, and now the true
reason for his despair came to the fore: he explained
that his children, since they died as innocent martyrs, 7
were thus found worthy of the highest place in
Heaven, but as for himself he could not expect, as an
old, sinful man, to be assigned the same place. I did
not give up but retorted, "Is it not conceivable, Rabbi,
that precisely this was the meaning of your surviving
your children: that you may be purified through these
years of suffering, so that finally you, too, though not
innocent like your children, may become worthy of
joining them in Heaven? Is it not written in the Psalms
that God preserves all your tears? 8 So perhaps none of
your sufferings were in vain." For the first time in
many years he found relief from his suffering through
the new point of view which I was able to open up to
him.

pp 105, 142-143 Man's Search for Meaning - Frankl, Viktor E.