Discussion Military Training vs Martial Arts – Which One Is Better?

[lonelysince2006]

I think joining the military, even as a reservist, is superior to trying to learn a specific martial art/arts for a period of years, because with the reservist training, it's only a few months. The experience you would get is invaluable since you would learn how to effectively shoot a gun, reload quickly, and follow combat tactics that would save your life in a life-or-death situation (especially important for Americans where you are in a legitimate danger of being shot 24/7). This is expanding upon basic gun training. On the other hand, martial arts training isn't as rigorous, is more self-paced, and is better suited to those with disabilities (could be anything ranging from myopia to an amputated limb).

My top martial arts choices (MMA isn't a martial art):

• Boxing
• Wrestling (great if you take in high school)
• BJJ
• Judo

A brief outline:

Strikes

• Punching: Boxing, Wing Chun
• Kicking: Kickboxing, Taekwondo, Capoeira, Savate, Karate, Kung Fu, Taekyyon
• Elbow Strike: Kung Fu, Karate, Muay Thai
• Knee Strike: Lethwei, Muay Thai, Bokator, Kung Fu
• Others using strikes: Lethwei, Muay Thai, Kung Fu, Pencak Silat, Taijiquan, Vovinam

Grappling

• Throwing: Hapkido, Judo, Sumo, Wrestling, Aikido, Shuai Jiao, Taijiquan
• Joint lock/Chokeholds/Submission holds: Jujutsu, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, Catch wrestling, Judo, Chin-na, Taijiquan
• Pinning Techniques: Judo, Wrestling, Aikido
• Trapping/Clinch fighting: Wing Chun, Filipino Martial Arts, Jeet Kune Do, Muay Thai, wrestling, Judo

Edit: More pros of military:

• First aid (saving others and yourself)
• Land navigation (map reading, compass use, finding your way in unfamiliar train using rudimentary methods like looking at the sun or looking for specific environmental clues)
• Finding food and water in unfamiliar terrain
• Finding or building shelter in unfamiliar terrain
• Physical and mental toughening (being physically fit, handling pain and injuries, handling stress, etc.)

@FrothySolutions @ItsovERfucks @ElTruecel @Torrent55

 

[TheJoker]

Not many guys here look fondly on joining military institutions. If your country actively discriminates you then
many guys realised there is no point in giving value to their country. There is nothing to fight for.

 

[Samurai]

Martial arts because you can go home at the end of the day instead of being in some military complex where all the chads are fornicating with the foids

 

[La Grande Infamie]

I have no idea how to find the sort of workout regiment that people in the military do. It’s different from typical bodybuilding because you can’t be a roidmonster in the field.

 

[La Grande Infamie]

Martial arts because you can go home at the end of the day instead of being in some military complex where all the chads are fornicating with the foids

 

[ItsovERfucks]

Martial arts cause it's the only one I've done and military martial arts are basically just to build up aggression. It’s not meant to build up fighting ability.

Military relies on weapons and support units not hand to hand combat.

 

[IncelGolem]

Better for what?

 

[ElTruecel]

Martial arts

 

[Emba]

Street fighting.

It makes everything else seem unrealistic....

Although mil is better than mart

 

[lonelysince2006]

Not many guys here look fondly on joining military institutions. If your country actively discriminates you then
many guys realised there is no point in giving value to their country. There is nothing to fight for.

I get the sentiment, but I think it's definitely good for self-improvement (not the type people do to attract females). I mean, it's not like you're actively fighting in a war, you're just completing training. And you can always be a "conscientious objector" (coward) and resist any future drafts (which I won't and don't encourage whatsoever).

I would fight for my country and give my life because at least I have food, water, shelter, health (free universal healthcare), free secondary education, and various other benefits afforded to all citizens. At least I have these things and not having one (sex, is not the government's responsibility to give people) is ridiculous to hate the government and my country for. Canada is a thousand times better than some third-country shitholes and I'm grateful to be living here. I can understand why Americabros hate their country because I know the US is not a good place to live in for all of the shootings, attacks, economic hardships, and injustices over there.

Martial arts because you can go home at the end of the day instead of being in some military complex where all the chads are fornicating with the foids

I don't like this type of thinking because fornication is happening all around us (couples kissing in parks, fucking in college dorms, etc.) and it won't make a difference wherever you go unless it's a male-only institution or area or you completely barricade yourself in your room like a hikikomori for months or years with minimal outside contact. Even then, you get to see fornication (porn, even on this site).

I have no idea how to find the sort of workout regiment that people in the military do. It’s different from typical bodybuilding because you can’t be a roidmonster in the field.

I'd wager most people don't have the dedication to carry out the routine anyway because of how rigorous and taxing it is.

Martial arts cause it's the only one I've done and military martial arts are basically just to build up aggression. It’s not meant to build up fighting ability.

Military relies on weapons and support units not hand to hand combat.

How can you confidently say this without having been in the military?

Hand-to-hand combat is overrated. A small bullet to the head can kill or incapacitate the biggest bodybuilder trying to fight you. Even a knife and the fight is over. I'm saying it's essential to have firearms training and you always have to take hand-to-hand combat training as a Plan B and a sort of last resort if you're disarmed.

Better for what?

In general, maybe for self-defense, or physical fitness.

Street fighting.

It makes everything else seem unrealistic....

Although mil is better than mart

Street fighting only gives you brain damage and a criminal record.

 

[Buried Alive 2.0]

Martials arts are more applicable in life.

If you want to learn to shoot you don't need to go to the military.

 

[Friezacel]

I tried to apply for Military 2 years ago but got rejected. Not even the military wants autistic subhumans like me, literally never began

 

[lonelysince2006]

If you want to learn to shoot you don't need to go to the military.

True, but basic gun training is basic for a reason. You won't learn the advanced tactics the military uses that have worked for decades like advancing under heavy fire or something like that.

List of military tactics - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I tried to apply for Military 2 years ago but got rejected. Not even the military wants autistic subhumans like me, literally never began

How? Did you fail the physical?

 

[Buried Alive 2.0]

True, but basic gun training is basic for a reason. You won't learn the advanced tactics the military uses that have worked for decades like advancing under heavy fire or something like that.

Yes, but these are not useful for daily life.

 

[Emba]

I get the sentiment, but I think it's definitely good for self-improvement (not the type people do to attract females). I mean, it's not like you're actively fighting in a war, you're just completing training. And you can always be a "conscientious objector" (coward) and resist any future drafts (which I won't and don't encourage whatsoever).

I would fight for my country and give my life because at least I have food, water, shelter, health (free universal healthcare), free secondary education, and various other benefits afforded to all citizens. At least I have these things and not having one (sex, is not the government's responsibility to give people) is ridiculous to hate the government and my country for. Canada is a thousand times better than some third-country shitholes and I'm grateful to be living here. I can understand why Americabros hate their country because I know the US is not a good place to live in for all of the shootings, attacks, economic hardships, and injustices over there.

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I don't like this type of thinking because fornication is happening all around us (couples kissing in parks, fucking in college dorms, etc.) and it won't make a difference wherever you go unless it's a male-only institution or area or you completely barricade yourself in your room like a hikikomori for months or years with minimal outside contact. Even then, you get to see fornication (porn, even on this site).

I'd wager most people don't have the dedication to carry out the routine anyway because of how rigorous and taxing it is.

How can you confidently say this without having been in the military?

Hand-to-hand combat is overrated. A small bullet to the head can kill or incapacitate the biggest bodybuilder trying to fight you. Even a knife and the fight is over. I'm saying it's essential to have firearms training and you always have to take hand-to-hand combat training as a Plan B and a sort of last resort if you're disarmed.

In general, maybe for self-defense, or physical fitness.

Street fighting only gives you brain damage and a criminal record.

I'm not saying to go looking for street fights... I'm saying to study it and learn from it." No nonsense self defense " is a website that has such information....

Also, dealing with people on the street, and being "streetwise" is important. Tbh avoidance is the best bet. But sometimes you can't...

Basically, you learn that there are NO RULES in a street fight, except perhaps, deception...

The "book of five rings" says to learn everything and you will find the way of the warrior in everything...

The main thing to learn is "how to win with you're eye." (Book of five rings advice)

Basically, by not only having the skills to fight, but having the WILL to fight, acts as a type of "violence insurance' that works by making potential attackers seek elsewhere for a victim.

Because fighting is dangerous, that's why only the weak get bullied, robbed, harassed... Risk management.

 

[Friezacel]

How? Did you fail the physical?

There was no physical due to covid. I guess they just recognized that im a massive mentalcel

 

[lonelysince2006]

Yes, but these are not useful for daily life.

It could be used for other purposes.

 

[Aquiline]

I get the sentiment, but I think it's definitely good for self-improvement (not the type people do to attract females). I mean, it's not like you're actively fighting in a war, you're just completing training. And you can always be a "conscientious objector" (coward) and resist any future drafts (which I won't and don't encourage whatsoever).

I would fight for my country and give my life because at least I have food, water, shelter, health (free universal healthcare), free secondary education, and various other benefits afforded to all citizens. At least I have these things and not having one (sex, is not the government's responsibility to give people) is ridiculous to hate the government and my country for. Canada is a thousand times better than some third-country shitholes and I'm grateful to be living here. I can understand why Americabros hate their country because I know the US is not a good place to live in for all of the shootings, attacks, economic hardships, and injustices over there.

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I don't like this type of thinking because fornication is happening all around us (couples kissing in parks, fucking in college dorms, etc.) and it won't make a difference wherever you go unless it's a male-only institution or area or you completely barricade yourself in your room like a hikikomori for months or years with minimal outside contact. Even then, you get to see fornication (porn, even on this site).

I'd wager most people don't have the dedication to carry out the routine anyway because of how rigorous and taxing it is.

How can you confidently say this without having been in the military?

Hand-to-hand combat is overrated. A small bullet to the head can kill or incapacitate the biggest bodybuilder trying to fight you. Even a knife and the fight is over. I'm saying it's essential to have firearms training and you always have to take hand-to-hand combat training as a Plan B and a sort of last resort if you're disarmed.

In general, maybe for self-defense, or physical fitness.

Street fighting only gives you brain damage and a criminal record.

I get the sentiment, but Canada is a massive cuck globohomo libshit hellhole. Trudeau is a corrupt maniac and you're having immigration, cost of living, inflation, and other problems. This is completely unsustainable, and fighting in their retarded wars only further fuels their agendas. I agree that military training is important, and you should go complete it if you want to, but being deployed overseas to fight for nefarious objectives and such transcends cuckoldry to a level that's basically shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[JudeoBiden]

Why does your top 4 MAs list not contain a real striking art? No kicks, no elbows. Boxing sucks ass, speaking from experience, boxing gyms are not teaching you with real life self-defense in mind. Too much of boxing technique revolves around gloves and no threat of kicks or grappling.

To answer your question, the aims are completely different. The military isn't teaching you how to be combat effective on your own. Everything is to do with fitting into their structure. They don't intend for you to survive very long without logistical support. Much of what you will learn in the military simply won't work when you're outside of the military. Land nav is good for sure, you can learn that by hiking.

MAs are interested in making you the best killing machine you can be without a weapon. When you go into the ring, you are completely alone. You get one guarantee that is immersion breaking, and it's the guarantee of a 1-on-1 fight. But, aside from that, MAs are equipping you to handle a realistic threat with little dependence on outside support. Before you mention the referee, most street fights last SECONDS, not minutes. You spend minutes at a time in the ring without the ref interfering.

Martial arts because you can go home at the end of the day instead of being in some military complex where all the chads are fornicating with the foids

No martial art ever ordered me to die for Israel.

 

[JudeoBiden]

Basically, by not only having the skills to fight, but having the WILL to fight, acts as a type of "violence insurance' that works by making potential attackers seek elsewhere for a victim.

I have had the ability to fuck up at least 80% of people for most of my adult life, but not the willingness. I recently acquired the willingness. There is no point in knowing how if you're not willing to. I regret ever not being willing to.

 

[Thaway]

Learning a combat system like Sambo is probably the best you can do. Will teach you how to handle yourself in many situations. You can always do courses on shooting ect later, no need to sell your soul to the government and potentially get killed in some bs war.

 

[screwthefbi]

Cardio - military

Technique - martial arts

 

[Emba]

I have had the ability to fuck up at least 80% of people for most of my adult life, but not the willingness. I recently acquired the willingness. There is no point in knowing how if you're not willing to. I regret ever not being willing to.

I always figured I would just return any viciousness directed towards me...

Like a golden rule type thing.

 

[JudeoBiden]

I always figured I would just return any viciousness directed towards me...

Like a golden rule type thing.

No, that just gives them the advantage. You've got to discard all morality when they've crossed your line.

 

[JudeoBiden]

You can always do courses on shooting ect later,

Shooting is surprisingly useless. You will probably never be legally justified to even shoot a gun outside a shooting range, much less at someone. (It's illegal to fire a gun within a certain distance of a road.) It is by far the most overrated skill for civilians.

no need to sell your soul to the government and potentially get killed in some bs war.

 

[Thaway]

Shooting is surprisingly useless. You will probably never be legally justified to even shoot a gun outside a shooting range, much less at someone. (It's illegal to fire a gun within a certain distance of a road.) It is by far the most overrated skill for civilians.

I'd agree. Better just stick with something that actualyl helps you in social situations. Was just saying, shooting for example can be learned seperately. No need to waste time in the military, is my point.

 

[SteelCentaur]

Martial arts. I will never fight for a soyciety that rejected and ostracized me.

 

[unluckygenes]

during fighting you are one scratch away from getting AIDS from your opponent.
The worst scenario: Incel dying of AIDS

 

[Emba]

No, that just gives them the advantage. You've got to discard all morality when they've crossed your line.

No. I'm proactive about it.

 

[DepravedAndDeprived]

Martial arts because you can go home at the end of the day instead of being in some military complex where all the chads are fornicating with the foids

 

[Grodd]

Martial arts is better

 

[Biowaste Removal]

Martial arts by FAR. I am a Sambist and former boxer, and have a small amount of experience with Mongolian wrestling bokh