Serious Mentalcels come here. Inhibition has an extremely simple cure.

[Fontaine]

You may have heard about many cures for shyness on the internet or from a therapist. Exposure therapy seems to be the most popular ("just act in plays bro!", "just do a waiter gig bro! "), but I think it is actually the least effective. As usual, retarded ideas tend to have unwarranted popularity. My experience with exposure is that it helps a lot, but doesn't solve the problem at the root. And it's usually too scary for actual shy people (shy people are cowardly by definition) -- it's like telling someone scared of spiders to kiss a tarantula.

The actual cure for shyness is ego death and rational pessimism.

- True ego death is impossible, even the best Buddhist monks never manage to completely kill off their ego. But it is possible to reduce your ego/pride by 95%. A good trick to use is to think that a hundred years from now, everybody will have forgotten you. If you have no ego, you can't fear rejection.

- Rational pessimism is envisioning the absolute worst instead of the best. That way, social encounters can only surprise you positively and never negatively. You can't fear rejection if you are actively waiting for it.

An additional trick for those who can't keep eye contact is to look at the nose, mouth or right eye of your interlocutor. It helps at the beginning, afterwards you don't need it anymore.

I managed to lower a 10/10 inhib to 4/10 using these tricks. 4/10 inhib is low enough to make friends, and score girls if you have what it takes in the looks department.

 

[Blackpill101]

Bunch of BS..

 

[torujo]

mentalcels trigger me a lot

 

[Fontaine]

Bunch of BS..

What better solution against inhibition do you have to propose?

This actually worked for me, so...

 

[Blackpill101]

What better solution against inhibition do you have to propose?

This actually worked for me, so...

I have been doing the whole "imagine the worst" and it honestly makes my inhibition go really bad.

 

[whogivesafucc]

Easiest way to cure inhibition: Drink alcohol

and tbh i've been doing that for the longest time and still have a 11/10 inhibition.

 

[Red Shambhala]

I think the best is religious fundamentalism.
Like, I have considered converting to Christianity a couple of times and I especially love Calvinism.
All other religions are basically based on this economical system, you give the gods this and then you get that in return. Like an economic exchange, I scratch your back and you scratch mine, I fast and pray and you bring me to heaven, etc.

But in Calvinism EVERYTHING is predestined. Some are God's elected people and we don't really know why and some are just his "vessels of wrath" that will end up in hell. If you're one of God's elect you will *by definition* end up praying and praising him etc.
It's an awesome belief. This idea that his earth will be destroyed anyway and that you're actually an ELITE pilgrim on his way to the heavenly Jerusalem! "For here we have no continuing city but we seek one to come!"
I always imagined the heavenly Jerusalem to be a literal city where I would have a literal apartment with a balcony from where I could see the tree of life.
Best time of my life, tbh.

Alas ... really believing this shit is impossible. No matter how hard I tried .. it doesn't work. And the more you study the Bible, the more you study dogmas ... the more you see how flawed and wrong it all is. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose. But the fastest way to lose your faith is to thoroughly study the Bible and the history of religion etc.

But yeah ... absolutely no shyness in these few short moments in which I could bring myself to believe that I was on my way to the heavenly Jerusalem anyway and these vessels of wrath were all on their way into hell anyway.
There is a great verse in the Bible where it says "Do not be afraid of their faces" --- I always imagined this verse, when God tells his prophet to "not be afraid of the people's angry faces" with that meme with the shitcunts who all turn around and look into the camera with disgust. You could make a meme with that. That picture and the bible verse to not be afriad of their faces.

 

[Deleted member 677]

Mentalceldom is fictional.

 

[/pol/cel]

Is it possible to achieve ego death without the use of psychadelic drugs like DMT or extreme meditation practiced by hardcore monks? Id genuinely be interested in inducing ego death.

 

[Fontaine]

I have been doing the whole "imagine the worst" and it honestly makes my inhibition go really bad.

I've had the reverse experience... Being excessively optimistic in social matters always ended in tears when the interaction started to go badly (which was often the case; most people aren't nice and don't care about hurting your feelings if they don't want to talk to you).

Also, rational pessimism is at its most effective only when coupled with ego death.

 

[Blackpill101]

I've had the reverse experience... Being excessively optimistic in social matters always ended in tears when the interaction started to go badly (which was often the case; most people aren't nice and don't care about hurting your feelings if they don't want to talk to you).

Also, rational pessimism is at its most effective only when coupled with ego death.

I am literally unable to approach a woman in fear that the worst will be happen as a 4/10 male.

 

[Fontaine]

Is it possible to achieve ego death without the use of psychadelic drugs like DMT or extreme meditation practiced by hardcore monks? Id genuinely be interested in inducing ego death.

Just watch Terminator 1. There's this great line when Sarah screws up at work: "think of it this way, honey. In a hundred years, who's gonna care". Also, there's good real-world evidence that AI is about to take over. In such a scenario, human history will become an insignificant blip in time.

If you're more of an intellectual, read the Stoics and Marcus Aurelius in particular.

Otherwise, yes, I've heard that some drugs (psilocybin notably) are known to cause ego death.

 

[anthero]

- True ego death is impossible, even the best Buddhist monks never manage to completely kill off their ego. But it is possible to reduce your ego/pride by 95%. A good trick to use is to think that a hundred years from now, everybody will have forgotten you. If you have no ego, you can't fear rejection.

- Rational pessimism is envisioning the worst instead of the best. That way, social encounters can only surprise you positively and never negatively. You can't fear rejection if you are actively waiting for it.

These actually make a lot sense, especially the first one. Ego is actually a terrible thing when you think about it.

 

[Timecel]

Asian Andy though me the best trick, just imagine that the other people are npcs.

 

[Fontaine]

I think the best is religious fundamentalism.

I agree, if only because traditional religion is anti-ego and diminishes the importance of the physical world.

I can't fully believe in traditional religion either, that's why I have found a good cope in thinking about an AI takeover or the day our minds are all uploaded on internet servers and Chads and Stacies are relinquished to the dustbins of time.

 

[whogivesafucc]

Asian Andy though me the best trick, just imagine that the other people are npcs.

top-tier logic

i will give this man a trophy

 

[imbored21]

i like the rational pessimism idea. I'm going to try that.

 

[FeminismsCancer]

The best inhib disinhibitor is alcohol KEK.

 

[Facial Asymmetry]

Disclaimer: this won't cure inceldom but if you're 4/10+ and legit want to become low inhib, here's what works

-Have a wingman who has no fear of approaching. 2 years ago, the thought of having to approach someone made me flush bright red. I had huge anxiety of turning red infront of everyone and this caused me to literally turn red. I had and still have anxiety, insomnia and repetitive thoughts.

Today, I can do retarded shit without giving a fuck. Nothing lowers inhibition like someone literally throwing you into an uncomfortable situation. Without someone there, you begin to make excuses or do what you find comfortable ie: asking for the time instead of telling her she's cute. And from doing uncomfortable stuff, you realize no one really gives a fuck.

 

[Red Shambhala]

I agree, if only because traditional religion is anti-ego and diminishes the importance of the physical world.

I can't fully believe in traditional religion either, that's why I have found a good cope in thinking about an AI takeover or the day our minds are all uploaded on internet servers and Chads and Stacies are relinquished to the dustbins of time.

I still kinda believe in an afterlife. Maybe not really strong but I'm not really an atheist, I guess.
A part of me still believes/hopes in an afterlife tho. I guess it's basically a mix of religions and ideas in my head.
And AI stuff is generally interesting, too. "High-tech meditation" and "cyber buddhism" can be powerful copes.

 

[Fontaine]

@Facial Asymmetry

This is exposure therapy in a nutshell...

It helps, but it's too frightening for most, hence why they prefer to LDAR on internet forums.

My solutions are far less traumatizing and actually solve the problem in a more effective way - - "no one really gives a fuck" until you encounter someone who does. Ego death and rational pessimism make you fully ready for that encounter.

 

[lesbianwalrus]

"Pessimism is a noble displeasure that rises out of a better nature revolting against unexpected wickedness" - Arthur Schopenhauer

If you're high inhibition, it is not for no reason. People don't just spontaneously become inhibited. The world crude and stupid thus pessimism, and the inhibition that accompanies it, are a natural reaction to it. And pessimism can never go away for as long as you remain cognizant of reality. And as long as deep-seated pessimism and anti-social tendencies remains ingrained in our souls I don't think we can ever successfully enter normiedom. However, inhibition can be lowered significantly. And I've actually found exposure therapy to be quite effective - though not with ridiculous ideas like joining a play, but instead working at a job where you're surrounded by normies.

 

[Mainländer]

Just do whatever it takes to get your ass approaching. It doesn't have to be good, if you're 5-6/10 or better and spam approach things will work out eventually.

That's what I would do as a mentalcel. You're a certain number of approaches away from getting laid while uglycels like me are hopeless in the current paradigm.

 

[takERisks]

Top tier post but hypergamy is spiralling out of control now. Probably would have been useful to most here about 5 years ago.

I did a tinder experiment as a 8/10 blonde kid and I kid you not some legit 2/10 fat hambeast was talking to him and down to meet him etc

 

[WarriorSkull]

Is it possible to achieve ego death without the use of psychadelic drugs like DMT or extreme meditation practiced by hardcore monks? Id genuinely be interested in inducing ego death.

If you subscribe to the theory that many UFO encounters are just spontaneous DMT trips, then yes, it is possible, but it can't really be triggered without one of the above. Basically, you have to trick the brain into thinking you're dying without actually dying. Most of the meditators do it with some combination of hyperventilation to store excess oxygen in the blood, followed by extended periods of holding your breath to trigger whatever mechanism releases DMT at death. Darkness and other forms of sensory deprivation seem to aid in this as well.

 

[Deleted member 5861]

A good trick to use is to think that a hundred years from now, everybody will have forgotten you.

Napoleon has and will be mocked for being a manlet and dicklet forever though.

 

[whogivesafucc]

The best inhib disinhibitor is alcohol KEK.

 

[Fontaine]

If you subscribe to the theory that many UFO encounters are just spontaneous DMT trips, then yes, it is possible, but it can't really be triggered without one of the above. Basically, you have to trick the brain into thinking you're dying without actually dying. Most of the meditators do it with some combination of hyperventilation to store excess oxygen in the blood, followed by extended periods of holding your breath to trigger whatever mechanism releases DMT at death. Darkness and other forms of sensory deprivation seem to aid in this as well.

Very interesting. I have often experienced mild euphoria and lower inhibition after holding my breath for extended periods.

Right now I'm very curious about psilocybin... I am not a drugcel at all but the "trip" that is usually depicted is fascinating. Apparently you "fuse" with the walls of your bedroom and start to see yourself and the universe as one. Peter Thiel has reportedly invested in research on psilocybin to treat treatment-resistant depression.

 

[Deleted member 6101]

The actual cure for shyness is ego death and rational pessimism.

Can confirm. My inhib went from literally crying if I had to interact with people informally to giving absolutely no shit about anyone- all proportionally to the ego I had left (i.e still thought I could make it in HS, but later embraced nihilism and LDARing)

 

[Grotesque]

I've destroyed all my inhibitions.

I can't destroy my face.

 

[Fontaine]

Napoleon has and will be mocked for being a manlet and dicklet forever though.

Yeah but guys like Napoleon are one in a hundred million, and even he will likely be forgotten one day.

Also, when you're dead you can't really care about it anyway. As Hitler said, "what posterity will think of my life is a matter of supreme indifference to me ".

 

[WarriorSkull]

Very interesting. I have often experienced mild euphoria and lower inhibition after holding my breath for extended periods.

Right now I'm very curious about psilocybin... I am not a drugcel at all but the "trip" that is usually depicted is fascinating. Apparently you "fuse" with the walls of your bedroom and start to see yourself and the universe as one. Peter Thiel has reportedly invested in research on psilocybin to treat treatment-resistant depression.

I have tripped on mushrooms multiple times. LSD a few times less. It is an incredible experience, though I've never done the dosages the likes of Terence McKenna did, which is necessary if you want to have an ayahausca like experience. That said, when I'm tripping, I feel like the best possible version of myself. You're thinking is lightning fast. You speak very well. Your muscles relax and your posture improves. You are better able to engage in "pure expression" where your speech, words, mannerisms, body language and emotion all communicate in a coherent, cohesive whole. It really feels like taking a vacation from your normal self.

 

[Karabim]

Exposure therapy is the only thing that will truly cure your anxiety. Rational pessimism can you help you at the beginning to start approaching but you can't just kill of your ego and lower all your inhibitions by doing mental gymnastics. To destroy you inhibitions you'll have to suffer and go through the pain of the first interactions and along the way after hundreds of rejections your ego will eventually die.

 

[Rightful anger]

Inhibition is not a problem for me. I simply gather a lot of willpower + have balls. My problem is more disgust and obsessive thoughts.

 

[Opus132]

Doesn't work if you are autistic and have social phobia. You can learn to desensitize yourself from the anxiety to a degree. You can't control how you react. I always sound like an idiot when i talk to people, and they can see i'm not normal a mile away. I can't look at people in the eyes. I can't make small talk. Every conversation is a nightmare. And i've been at it for 40 years, obviously, since you have to interact with people constantly simply to live. Nothing i do works. I can't change myself. My brain is defective, it is as unalterable as any physical defect.

 

[Fontaine]

Exposure therapy is the only thing that will truly cure your anxiety. Rational pessimism can you help you at the beginning to start approaching but you can't just kill of your ego and lower all your inhibitions by doing mental gymnastics. To destroy you inhibitions you'll have to suffer and go through the pain of the first interactions and along the way after hundreds of rejections your ego will eventually die.

I actually agree, but "exposure therapy" is bound to happen naturally and organically over a long period of time once you start being able to approach people again.

Forcing the process seems unnecessarily painful and could cause harm - - trying PUA tactics as an ugly man is a surefire way to encounter at least one particularly horrible take-down from a woman in a bad mood.

I have respect for those who did it though.

Doesn't work if you are autistic and have social phobia. You can learn to desensitize yourself from the anxiety to a degree. You can't control how you react. I always sound like an idiot when i talk to people, and they can see i'm not normal a mile away. I can't look at people in the eyes. I can't make small talk. Every conversation is a nightmare. And i've been at it for 40 years, obviously, since you have to interact with people constantly simply to live. Nothing i do works. I can't change myself. My brain is defective, it is as unalterable as any physical defect.

Unless one of your immediate ancestors had the same thing, it's very likely not genetic

 

[Opus132]

I was born like this. I know some people get social phobia later in life. I don't have any memory of myself when i didn't have it.

 

[anondump]

I just assume from the getko that everyones agaisnt me.
It sure feels that way.

 

[TomathonClancy]

Mentalcels aren’t a real thing, unless your ugly.

 

[Noobcake]

I think the best is religious fundamentalism.
Like, I have considered converting to Christianity a couple of times and I especially love Calvinism.
All other religions are basically based on this economical system, you give the gods this and then you get that in return. Like an economic exchange, I scratch your back and you scratch mine, I fast and pray and you bring me to heaven, etc.

But in Calvinism EVERYTHING is predestined. Some are God's elected people and we don't really know why and some are just his "vessels of wrath" that will end up in hell. If you're one of God's elect you will *by definition* end up praying and praising him etc.
It's an awesome belief. This idea that his earth will be destroyed anyway and that you're actually an ELITE pilgrim on his way to the heavenly Jerusalem! "For here we have no continuing city but we seek one to come!"
I always imagined the heavenly Jerusalem to be a literal city where I would have a literal apartment with a balcony from where I could see the tree of life.
Best time of my life, tbh.

Alas ... really believing this shit is impossible. No matter how hard I tried .. it doesn't work. And the more you study the Bible, the more you study dogmas ... the more you see how flawed and wrong it all is. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose. But the fastest way to lose your faith is to thoroughly study the Bible and the history of religion etc.

But yeah ... absolutely no shyness in these few short moments in which I could bring myself to believe that I was on my way to the heavenly Jerusalem anyway and these vessels of wrath were all on their way into hell anyway.
There is a great verse in the Bible where it says "Do not be afraid of their faces" --- I always imagined this verse, when God tells his prophet to "not be afraid of the people's angry faces" with that meme with the shitcunts who all turn around and look into the camera with disgust. You could make a meme with that. That picture and the bible verse to not be afriad of their faces.

This is interesting. Calvinism is the most hated sect of Christianity by atheists(even non-calvinist Christians say Calvinist god is Satan) and you’re the only atheist out of many I’ve seen that isn’t disgusted by it. What exactly discredits it all completely for you?

 

[rabitter]

You may have heard about many cures for shyness on the internet or from a therapist. Exposure therapy seems to be the most popular ("just act in plays bro!", "just do a waiter gig bro! "), but I think it is actually the least effective. As usual, retarded ideas tend to have unwarranted popularity. My experience with exposure is that it helps a lot, but doesn't solve the problem at the root. And it's usually too scary for actual shy people (shy people are cowardly by definition) -- it's like telling someone scared of spiders to kiss a tarantula.

The actual cure for shyness is ego death and rational pessimism.

- True ego death is impossible, even the best Buddhist monks never manage to completely kill off their ego. But it is possible to reduce your ego/pride by 95%. A good trick to use is to think that a hundred years from now, everybody will have forgotten you. If you have no ego, you can't fear rejection.

- Rational pessimism is envisioning the absolute worst instead of the best. That way, social encounters can only surprise you positively and never negatively. You can't fear rejection if you are actively waiting for it.

An additional trick for those who can't keep eye contact is to look at the nose, mouth or right eye of your interlocutor. It helps at the beginning, afterwards you don't need it anymore.

I managed to lower a 10/10 inhib to 4/10 using these tricks. 4/10 inhib is low enough to make friends, and score girls if you have what it takes in the looks department.

You don't need "ego death" to be low inhibition. Just use Adderall + Coke + Modafinil + Propranolol until your high-inhibition brain circuitry gets fried into oblivion.

 

[Kokoro]

i will try it

 

[Red Shambhala]

This is interesting. Calvinism is the most hated sect of Christianity by atheists(even non-calvinist Christians say Calvinist god is Satan) and you’re the only atheist out of many I’ve seen that isn’t disgusted by it. What exactly discredits it all completely for you?

Calvinism emphasizes God's sovereignty like no other religion. I think that IF any traditional religion is true, it must be Calvinism because all other religions are based on our human understandings of economic exchanges, of a marketplace: sexual marketplace, economic marketplace, religious marketplace: you give this, God gives you that, etc. I think this is obscene and obviously a human invention. In Calvinism, however, EVERYTHING is in the hand of God and at the end of the day, there's NOTHING you can do about it because God doesn't owe you shit, we all deserve to go to hell but out of his mercy, a few of his people are predestined, elected, chosen to see the heavenly Jerusalem. It's ALL just in the hands of God, 100%, not in the hands of someone with a rosary.

Anyways. There isn't that ONE thing, though, that discredited it all for me. There are many reasons that come together. Here a reason, there a doubt, here another thing.

For example, as this forum is also getting obsessed with Jews, I think Christianity just makes a normal relationship to Jews impossible.

I mean, generally speaking, I think it's obvious that Christians have by and large a unhealthy, neurotic relationships towards Jews. There are those Christians who believe that Christians are the real Jews today, and that the Jews of today aren't really Jews any longer but the Synagogue of Satan. Then you have those Christians who believe that Jews still are God's chosen people and that Christians must fight and die for the nation state of Israel. Then you have middle-positions like that of the Vatican who says that it is, quote, "an unfathomable divine mystery" how there can be only one path to salvation but Jews still being participant in it despite not believing in Christ: http://archive.is/IMrwS (Nr. 36)

Christianity's relationship to Jews feels a bit like the love-hate relationship of a feminist to a dominant Chad. According to the Bible, Jews were at one time the chosen people of God, Jesus himself even said that he only came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. When a non-Jewish woman begged him to heal her daughter, he said that it would be unfair to take what is for the children of God and throw it to the dogs. (Matthew 15:21-28) On the other hand, you later have all that "Christians are the TRUE sons of Abraham" stuff, you have Jesus talk about the Synagogue of Satan, you have this concept of an ethnic people of God being turned into a multi-racial spiritual people of God, "there is neither Jew nor Gentile", and so on.

The whole Bible is just such a mess that Christians will never develop a normal relationship to Jews. There will probably always be that love-hate relationship, some wanting to kill them, some wanting to kill for them.

Jews are definitely something special according to the Bible who just makes this distinction between Jew and "gentile." And all this race stuff is just one of the things that totally put me off. I don't want to be in a religion where I have to contemplate all this race stuff YET AGAIN and have to deal with racism YET AGAIN, this time from another angle....

 

[rickvanderhammer]

social inhibition is a defense mechanism, you're inhibited because your past interactions with people yielded a negative result, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing blahblahblah ect... you cant alter your destiny.

 

[Welcumtotherealworld]

Or ya know, use roids.
Or ya know, use roids.

 

[Evildoer]

Asian Andy though me the best trick, just imagine that the other people are npcs.

Lol.

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

Good and constructive post OP.