Hypocrisy "Men shit on other men to bond" is such bullshit

[TheIncelStaresBack]

The above is something men that are on top of the social pyramid like to say. In my experience this "shitting on" is usually a one way street. The men on top shit on the men below them and theyclaim it's banter. God forbid the men at the bottom try to reciprocate or they'll be put in their place and the "playful banter" becomes a spiteful roast, attacking the lower status male for every flaw he has.

There's always someone on top that gets away with saying anything. He says you're being a sensitive bitch if you take anything he says too seriously, but will explode on anyone that dares talk shit to him.

I hate group dynamics.

 

[Intellau_Celistic]

Yes. When I mention Justus Grossbier's low PIQ, I mention it out of sheer respect. That is, my respect for his mental illnesses and struggles with rejection. I'm "recognizing" his inability to persuade Shannon into romance.

 

[Glerforpus]

You do it with friends apparently, no one takes offense cuz no one really means it

 

[SentimentalCel]

A perfect example of toxic masculinity. It's usually done over women, too, either to compete for them or shame virgins, all of which artificially inflate women's value thus providing them with a sacrifice of pain on the part of men as a collective and getting nothing but higher standards in return from women.

In other words, contradictory as it may seem, TOXIC MASCULINITY IS CUCKED.

 

[LOLI BREEDING]

it's a braindead normie thing to do

 

[TINMAN]

A perfect example of toxic masculinity. It's usually done over women, too, either to compete for them or shame virgins, all of which artificially inflate women's value thus providing them with a sacrifice of pain on the part of men as a collective and getting nothing but higher standards in return from women.

In other words, contradictory as it may seem, TOXIC MASCULINITY IS CUCKED.

Toxic masculinity? Are you some kind of feminist?

 

[CurrycelRaja]

Lol toxic dumbassery u mean

 

[myajj]

How i became friends with this one trucel friend , miss him tbh

 

[TINMAN]

femnists actually love toxic masculinity, so long the one doing it is a chad.

they only hate it when its low SMV men doing it.

but either way i agree that its cucked, since toxic masculinity is just some guy one-up another, being aggressive for no reason other than to impress foids. which is giga cucked

I think the problem is that feminists in particular tend to rearrange the definition of buzzwords like that to suit whatever their current needs are. Much like you lot seem to be doing now..

 

[SentimentalCel]

Toxic masculinity? Are you some kind of feminist?

I know right?

Unless you were serious?

In which case, no, feminism is cringe. Masculinity and feminism are both essentially equally bad. I try to avoid both.

femnists actually love toxic masculinity, so long the one doing it is a chad.

they only hate it when its low SMV men doing it.

but either way i agree that its cucked, since toxic masculinity is just some guy one-up another, being aggressive for no reason other than to impress foids. which is giga cucked

Thing is, if a female detects that it is being done to please her, that often turns her off (which is why guys don't explicitly state it is to please women). She is looking for toxic masculinity embedded in the genome or just a true asshole to reward. But toxic masculinity increases SMV for all males, except under extenuating circumstances.

 

[GhostedPhantom]

Toxic masculinity? Are you some kind of feminist?

I agree that "toxic masculinity" isn't a very suitable term though. Foids do the same evil shit, just for different reasons and more covertly.

 

[SentimentalCel]

I think the problem is that feminists in particular tend to rearrange the definition of buzzwords like that to suit whatever their current needs are. Much like you lot seem to be doing now..

Sometimes male feminists have a point when they use "toxic masculinity", but more often feminists use it to blame men for shit and explain why women are oppressed (similar to "rape culture"), it's used to handwave away complaints about gynocentrism in society. It's also used broadly as an insult for any non-leftist political ideology (similar to "bro"). We are not using it in this way.

However, when most right-wingers and manosphere types see the word "toxic masculinity", they automatically assume it means "men bad" ie is misandry (which is 2016 anti-SJW YouTuber-tier logic), or that it means masculinity itself is toxic.

I think that toxic masculinity is simply all of the toxic behaviors (such as violence, chimp-outs, anti-intellectualism, cruelty, alcoholism, being unnecessarily disruptive, white knighting women, bullying, aggression, punitivism, bootlicking of authority, expectation of others men to comply and serve society even when it doesn't benefit them) that are considered masculine and therefore extolled if you engage in them as a man (and more recently, as an FtM or lesbian) by society.

It's a combination of tradcuckery and traditionalist retardation with some elements of modern feminist gynocentrism.

I agree that "toxic masculinity" isn't a very suitable term though. Foids do the same evil shit, just for different reasons and more covertly.

"Masculinity" in this sense doesn't mean "men", but rather the traits expected of and associated with them- it is an archetype. I'm calling it "toxic masculinity" because the men doing it do it 95% to feel more "manly" specifically. Women have different motivations and their behavior takes a wildly different form; thus their behavior deserves a different, separate name.

 

[wgm24]

A perfect example of toxic masculinity. It's usually done over women, too, either to compete for them or shame virgins, all of which artificially inflate women's value thus providing them with a sacrifice of pain on the part of men as a collective and getting nothing but higher standards in return from women.

In other words, contradictory as it may seem, TOXIC MASCULINITY IS CUCKED.

I dont think thats toxic masculinity cause theirs nothing about that thats specific to men

 

[TheIncelStaresBack]

Sometimes male feminists have a point when they use "toxic masculinity", but more often feminists use it to blame men for shit and explain why women are oppressed (similar to "rape culture"), it's used to handwave away complaints about gynocentrism in society. It's also used broadly as an insult for any non-leftist political ideology (similar to "bro"). We are not using it in this way.

However, when most right-wingers and manosphere types see the word "toxic masculinity", they automatically assume it means "men bad" ie is misandry (which is 2016 anti-SJW YouTuber-tier logic), or that it means masculinity itself is toxic.

I think that toxic masculinity is simply all of the toxic behaviors (such as violence, chimp-outs, anti-intellectualism, cruelty, alcoholism, being unnecessarily disruptive, white knighting women, bullying, aggression, punitivism, bootlicking of authority, expectation of others men to comply and serve society even when it doesn't benefit them) that are considered masculine and therefore extolled if you engage in them as a man (and more recently, as an FtM or lesbian) by society.

It's a combination of tradcuckery and traditionalist retardation with some elements of modern feminist gynocentrism.

"Masculinity" in this sense doesn't mean "men", but rather the traits expected of and associated with them- it is an archetype. I'm calling it "toxic masculinity" because the men doing it do it 95% to feel more "manly" specifically. Women have different motivations and their behavior takes a wildly different form; thus their behavior deserves a different, separate name.

This is a great breakdown.

It's funny how people on both sides fuck up the terms usage to different degrees, but not surprising. What I do find funny is that the polar opposite term "toxic femininity" is roughly defined by some (maybe most?) feminists as females inability to send up to men, rather than describing toxic traits that are more commonly associated with women. It just furthers my worldview that feminism is largely about pushing the idea that women are perpetual victims that can do no wrong and hating on men, rather than about equality.

 

[Deleted member 40252]

true. those fuckers are hypocrites.

This

 

[Glerforpus]

I think that toxic masculinity is simply all of the toxic behaviors (such as violence, chimp-outs, anti-intellectualism, cruelty, alcoholism, being unnecessarily disruptive, white knighting women, bullying, aggression, punitivism, bootlicking of authority, expectation of others men to comply and serve society even when it doesn't benefit them) that are considered masculine and therefore extolled if you engage in them as a man (and more recently, as an FtM or lesbian) by society.

Ah yes, because bootlicking, alcoholism, serving society without benefits is “masculine” I agree needless violence is cucked but it seems like your projecting your own ideas of what you don’t like, onto the term. I feel like a better phrase would be “being unproductive”

 

[mentally lost cel 1]

A perfect example of toxic masculinity. It's usually done over women, too, either to compete for them or shame virgins, all of which artificially inflate women's value thus providing them with a sacrifice of pain on the part of men as a collective and getting nothing but higher standards in return from women.

In other words, contradictory as it may seem, TOXIC MASCULINITY IS CUCKED.

 

[wei#3959]

Sometimes male feminists have a point when they use "toxic masculinity", but more often feminists use it to blame men for shit and explain why women are oppressed (similar to "rape culture"), it's used to handwave away complaints about gynocentrism in society. It's also used broadly as an insult for any non-leftist political ideology (similar to "bro"). We are not using it in this way.

However, when most right-wingers and manosphere types see the word "toxic masculinity", they automatically assume it means "men bad" ie is misandry (which is 2016 anti-SJW YouTuber-tier logic), or that it means masculinity itself is toxic.

I think that toxic masculinity is simply all of the toxic behaviors (such as violence, chimp-outs, anti-intellectualism, cruelty, alcoholism, being unnecessarily disruptive, white knighting women, bullying, aggression, punitivism, bootlicking of authority, expectation of others men to comply and serve society even when it doesn't benefit them) that are considered masculine and therefore extolled if you engage in them as a man (and more recently, as an FtM or lesbian) by society.

It's a combination of tradcuckery and traditionalist retardation with some elements of modern feminist gynocentrism.

"Masculinity" in this sense doesn't mean "men", but rather the traits expected of and associated with them- it is an archetype. I'm calling it "toxic masculinity" because the men doing it do it 95% to feel more "manly" specifically. Women have different motivations and their behavior takes a wildly different form; thus their behavior deserves a different, separate name.

based.

you got so many of those toxic masculine traits down btw. i know ppl that fit that to an exact tee.

you'd think that these toxic masculine guys wouldn't be bootlicking of authority eh lol. but they ironically are

Ah yes, because bootlicking, alcoholism, serving society without benefits is “masculine” I agree needless violence is cucked but it seems like your projecting your own ideas of what you don’t like, onto the term. I feel like a better phrase would be “being unproductive”

no he's trying to say those things are toxic masculine

i agree with @SentimentalCel though. i rly don't give a shit about and don't care for masculinity

just want a gf ffs.

 

[IamLost]

Sometimes male feminists have a point when they use "toxic masculinity", but more often feminists use it to blame men for shit and explain why women are oppressed (similar to "rape culture"), it's used to handwave away complaints about gynocentrism in society. It's also used broadly as an insult for any non-leftist political ideology (similar to "bro"). We are not using it in this way.

However, when most right-wingers and manosphere types see the word "toxic masculinity", they automatically assume it means "men bad" ie is misandry (which is 2016 anti-SJW YouTuber-tier logic), or that it means masculinity itself is toxic.

I think that toxic masculinity is simply all of the toxic behaviors (such as violence, chimp-outs, anti-intellectualism, cruelty, alcoholism, being unnecessarily disruptive, white knighting women, bullying, aggression, punitivism, bootlicking of authority, expectation of others men to comply and serve society even when it doesn't benefit them) that are considered masculine and therefore extolled if you engage in them as a man (and more recently, as an FtM or lesbian) by society.

It's a combination of tradcuckery and traditionalist retardation with some elements of modern feminist gynocentrism.

"Masculinity" in this sense doesn't mean "men", but rather the traits expected of and associated with them- it is an archetype. I'm calling it "toxic masculinity" because the men doing it do it 95% to feel more "manly" specifically. Women have different motivations and their behavior takes a wildly different form; thus their behavior deserves a different, separate name.

You're a foid infiltrator.

 

[wei#3959]

You're a foid infiltrator.

no what he said is based.

i know a bunch of guys that fit that to a T.

violence, chimp outs, anti-intellectualism, cruelty, unnecessarily disruptive, white knighting women, bullying, aggression, being punitive, bootlicking of authority, and expecting others to comply and serve are huge ones.

 

[erenyeager]

i hate non incel men after being with my stepdad, for 13 years he always hated my guts because i was an autistic geentic leftover and wasnt his biological son. to hell with non incel men, they fucking suck and deserve castration

 

[Jmax]

they fucking suck and deserve castration

A sterile world is a peaceful world.

 

[Mecoja]

Men try to put other men down to appear better themselves, constant mogging.

 

[Izayacel]

Men try to put other men down to appear better themselves, constant mogging.

Its an " One Upping World " , where the best shitters / people who constantly put others down , gets all the PRaise

 

[erenyeager]

Its an " One Upping World " , where the best shitters / people who constantly put others down , gets all the PRaise

if they like a devil, then ill be the most satanic of the bunch and the end the world while they beg for frogiveness, retarded bio organic robots, can never be cosnsitent with "muh morals"

 

[Saint Cho]

The above is something men that are on top of the social pyramid like to say. In my experience this "shitting on" is usually a one way street. The men on top shit on the men below them and theyclaim it's banter. God forbid the men at the bottom try to reciprocate or they'll be put in their place and the "playful banter" becomes a spiteful roast, attacking the lower status male for every flaw he has.

There's always someone on top that gets away with saying anything. He says you're being a sensitive bitch if you take anything he says too seriously, but will explode on anyone that dares talk shit to him.

I hate group dynamics.

This is why height >>> face for quality of life. Tall and gymmaxxed ogres take far less shit than skinny manlets.

 

[crvkek]

they failed to tell us when we were born that we must instill fear in those around us because civilisation is a myth. they did not guyide us to the voilence and give us the trainign and tools to fend off this world of animals in human form. they let us wander into the wilderness alone and without a means to protect ourselves or armor

 

[bipolarjeet]

Holy shit that makes so much sense, I used to kind of shit on other men (not one upping but just witty remarks) in past (now I don't have any social circle), most people actually really liked me for that, but for some reason I only did that to normies of the groups, the people I shat most on were usually the ugliest too. Chads of the groups laughed the loudest at others but whinned like bitches when if I shat on them. I was ostracized for few weeks one time for shitting hard on gigachad of the group. Also not a fakecel, I was just really witty back then.

Now I really feel guilty, but I was bluepilled back then, now I'll but sure to shit only on chads, they'll probably ostracize me but it'll be worth it.

 

[Subhuman Niceguy]

Foids need to be made fun of for being landwhales.