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In an article titled :“I Don’t Hate All Women, Just Those Stuck-Up Bitches”: How Incels and Mainstream Pornography Speak the Same Extreme Language of Misogyny.
Published on March 22, 2021 authored by two foids! :feelsclown:



establishing a link between incels and the mainstream pornography demonstrating them as a “different manifestations of the same deep-rooted misogyny”.
revealing how both practices contribute to expanding and reinforcing each other’s discourses and range of misogynistic practices, the two interchangeably manifesting misogynistic ideologies,and negative cultural and behavioral changes, enabled and exacerbated by contemporary technologies as aspects of the normalization of violence against women *shrugs*

below are a few handpicked quotations of said article and my contextualized opposing comical views :
note: that this article is solely based around the infamous normic r/incels reddit “community”
the full article link: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1077801221996453

Incels are often considered a misogynistic “fringe” because of their explicit sexism and hatred for women Their misogyny is often seen as an issue of a small group of deviant individuals, whose problematic attitudes toward women are exclusively attributed to their personality, as individual deviance or mental illness, and without connection to structural misogyny or patriarchal systems of socialization
-“personality”, “as individual deviance” or “mental illness”, ah, yes it had to be the classic “personality” dumbfounded justification!, and mental illnesses as if feminazis weren't mentally challenged lunatics themselves! , we as incels (imho) hate women because they are soulless instinctively driven wild animals with complete lack of self awareness ,self proclaimed victimhood complexity, a deluded sense of entitlement and resentment, their solipsistic worldview, and the sheer of undeserved privileges due to this biased toxic gynocentric society and their role in creating said society were men are looked down upon, their biological pussy pass card.henceforth we have every right to be “patriarchal”,“misogynists”and or “sexists” toward them.
In this sense, Incels are not conceptualized differently from rapists: deviant men who engage in “extreme” acts of misogyny because of their individual pathology.
Drawing on Citron and Norton (2011), who framed online abuse as a restriction of women’s civil engagement and abuse of their “digital citizenship,” Lewis et al. (2017) have highlighted further similarities between offline violence and online abuse against women, such as the fact that both have the effect of instilling fear into women, and silencing them, especially through the threat of sexualized violence, but also through exclusion, disdain, or discrediting. This policing of women’s behavior functions as a reminder of who is in control and who dictates the boundaries within which women are free to move (Megarry, 2014), while men’s freedom remains unrestricted. In the case of offline violence, these boundaries constitute quite literally a demarcation of men’s territory and a limitation of women’s freedom of movement
-yet another mighty load of horseshit, cyber victimhood nonse.“limitation of women’s freedom of movement”!? what? thought we are talking about speech & silencing here nevermind, longest stretch of the wild west.
-women’s civil engagement and abuse of their “digital citizenship,” this one has to be a meme
-exhibit a: two men engaging in a civilized high iq, based conversation online sharing a platform with bunch of mindless foids and a dumbass entitled ass foid decides to interject her mighty self into the conversation, only to be told politely to fuck off. having little to no valuable opinion whatsoever to add to the discussion at hand,that often does not concern her but she chooses to partake in it anyway; because woke feminazis commands them to. bittered by this polite fuck off. equated “exclusion, disdain, or discrediting” she goes crying tears of degeneracy to the endless “foid circlejerking feminist online coping 101 safezones”and start moaning and ranting, listing all her encounters perceived by men from birth down to how utterly toxic and sexist those two gents were “cyberbullied and discriminated” against her totally worthless, irrelevant hot takes that nobody asked nor gave a ratsass about, in matters that doesn't involve her existence ex (inceldom) or other matters she don’t know jackshit about ex(insert men hobby here) regardlessly she’ll proceed to impose her worthless self and would expect nothing less than a full scale tolerance just because “am a wuhman!”.
pornography can subordinate women, endorse their degradation, legitimate misogynistic attitudes by depicting their dehumanization as sexual objects, by showing them enjoying pain, humiliation, and violence, and by portraying them “in postures of sexual submission or servility or display; reduced to body parts
Reducing women to objects in pornography is a precondition to make the violence they endure look acceptable. When women stop being people, acts of violence against them stop being harmful, as objects cannot be harmed.
pornography can perpetuate hatred toward women, and it can influence one’s interpretation of women’s subalternity as natural and inevitable (Langton, 1993); it can also have the effect of silencing women through the systematic suppression of their voices, sexuality, and humanity. Thus, as a speech act, pornography performs and reifies gender inequality and, due to its pervasiveness, its ramifications spread beyond those who directly watch it
-extremely hilarious no comment
Digital technologies are embedded into our everyday lives due to the symbiotic relationship between technology and society (Powell et al., 2018). While, arguably, digital technologies (or the internet) and, consequently, many of the practices that take place online are shaped by structural misogyny (technology has been created by people who have been conditioned by patriarchal structures)
-i cannot believe it! the two npc foid authors did it y’all! they are finally connecting the dots; yes. technologies were mainly created for one purpose and one purpose only! and that is to degrade and humiliate those retarded ethots.
The language used by Incels to talk about sexual intercourse (particularly between Chads and women) mirrors the aggressiveness of sex in mainstream pornography, as further shown by the discourse surrounding the verb fuck on r/incels. The only collocate of fuck, excluding swearing, with an overall score higher than 10 is the pronominal object her, particularly in the expression to fuck her.

The discourse surrounding fuck further elucidates how Incels conceptualize sex as a form of punishment for women, not simply as imposition, but as an actual form of physical harm and degradation. This is clearly articulated in the following comments:

You don’t even know how hard you could fuck her; that’s why you fuck her again and don’t stop until she miscarries; Thoart fuck her. I want her make up running down her face. Ill probably cum in her a few times; I think she was into you. You should have whipped out your dick and fucked her; You can just fuck her and degrade and mistreat her so she doesn’t get under the impression you respect her in any way; I’d definitely fuck her in the ass and then make her suck my shit-covered dick.
Like in offline sexualized violence, for Incels too sex is the chosen weapon to express the hatred and revenge that women “deserve” for rejecting them and choosing aggressive alpha men instead. These scenarios are presented in the conditional tense, as hypothetical situations that are about what Incels would, should, or could do, rather than what they did or are doing. In some cases, the tense is imperative (throat fuck her), suggesting a male bond created through encouragement and peer support for other men to be aggressive with women (DeKeseredy & Corsianos, 2016).

-strrretch!, clearly this one fall under the different strokes for different folkes!, calm your tits foid authors, brain is totally deprived of oxygen due to all the blood system viciously circulating their holes!, they can’t think straight!
the imagery of abuse and discourses of masculinity used by some popular porn sites to advertise themselves disturbingly resemble the violent descriptions of sexual intercourse with women and the traits ascribed to Chads by Incels: “Do you know what we say to things like romance and foreplay? We say fuck off! [. . .] We take gorgeous young bitches and do what every man would REALLY like to do. We make them gag till their makeup starts running, and then they get all other holes sore” (Dines, 2010, p. xix). In this sense, we argued, the men in pornography are the embodiment of Chads. They have constant access to women despite hating them and treating them badly.

-lookwise: this is a false predicament!,lots of male porn actors don’t possess the criteria for a chad! in fact you are more likely to find chads in gay porn than straight.
- chads of porn are sizably uncomparable against the legit incels being casted as performers, pushed by the mainstream industry directors to appeal consumable for the masses, giving a false sense of inclusion to incels as it is a clear bluepilled propaganda.
-practice wise: true. water is indeed wet, you could say chads actions in real life respectively identicalizes those of porn, ill go the extra mile as to say in a real life situation foids would allowfor further “degradation” because no financial obilgations are being imposed upon chads to fuck them.
In both Incel and mainstream pornography discourse, much of the denigration of women focuses on their sexuality. Their imagery and language present women as objects who deserve and enjoy sexual abuse and submission, and sex (particularly through the penis and semen) as a weapon to inflict these and express their hate. On r/incels the fact that hatred is the motivation behind the abuse is explicit. In pornography, this motive is often covert and, consequently, easier to justify. However, it sometimes filters through. For example, according to Bill Margold—porn actor and producer—“the most violent we can get is the cum shot in the face. Men get off behind that, because they get even with the women they can’t have” (Dines, 2010, p. xxvi). These words resonate with Incels’ desire to cause women pain for preferring Chads to them and use sex to get even with women that they feel they will never have.

-“because they get even with the women they can’t have.”,“use sex to get even with women that they feel they will never have.” this one got to be the most pathetic strawman approach those two profoundly retarded feminazi authors have come up with by far, im done!.
 
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Watching porn is stupid. You're just seeing other people get laid AND paid for it.
 
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this ... infuriating :feelsohgod:
Don't take that too seriously... as long as you enjoy it and feel good, there's no problem. Just remember to pirate porn instead of paying that fucked up industry.
 
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Women were given a voice, the right to vote, power in society, education, and favorable laws. (All mistakes, btw.)

And this is the kind of meaningless drivel they come up with when deciding to use all of those societal privileges and advantages... KEK. This is just drama in pseudo-intellectual essay form.

Women moment.
 
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Nobody pays for this except the 0,01 % most retarded cucks everyone makes fun of
Onlyfans proves otherwise - it's like men are "programmed" to provide for females, even prostitutes, at a genetic level.

One of the advantages of being an outcast/reject is that I will never fall for this kind of shit.
 
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Women were given a voice, the right to vote, power in society, education, and favorable laws. (All mistakes, btw.)

And this is the kind of meaningless drivel they come up with when deciding to use all of those societal privileges and advantages... KEK. This is just drama in pseudo-intellectual essay form.

Women moment.
I disagree. In fact I disagree with 99% of posts that try to blame women for whatever above what is at a personal level. The main fault isn't theirs, nor ours, not genetically superior males either. It's the natural order. The system is flawed and so it promotes people who can benefit from this unfairness.

Trying to blame women (or their rights to vote/thot/etc) is like trying to blame the wolf for the death of sheep, or the ticks for the exsanguination of the deer.

e.g. most politicians (worldwide) are men and they vote/pass laws that help women over men of a lesser social status than they. How the hell is this supposed to be women's or men of lower social strata's fault?
 
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One of the advantages of being an outcast/reject is that I will never fall for this kind of shit.
Keep doing that. I can't believe there are ppl not doing that tbh. I guess that's the burden of inceldom
 
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I disagree. In fact I disagree with 99% of posts that try to blame women for whatever above what is at a personal level. The main fault isn't theirs, nor ours, not genetically superior males either. It's the natural order. The system is flawed and so it promotes people who can benefit from this unfairness.

Trying to blame women (or their rights to vote/thot/etc) is like trying to blame the wolf for the death of sheep, or the ticks for the exsanguination of the deer.

e.g. most politicians (worldwide) are men and they vote/pass laws that help women over men of a lesser social status than they. How the hell is this supposed to be women's or men of lower social strata's fault?
What exactly are you disagreeing with here? You think women's natural inclinations should be excused? If so, then men's inclinations towards violence and rape should be excused as well. The naturalistic argument is terrible. Men and women both have autonomy and should be held accountable for being unable to keep their destructive impulses in check.

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What exactly are you disagreeing with here? You think women's natural inclinations should be excused? If so, then men's inclinations towards violence and rape should be excused as well. The naturalistic argument is terrible. Men and women both have autonomy and should be held accountable for being unable to keep their destructive impulses in check.

Just GrAYcel things.
Yes, precisely that. Humans' natural inclinations aren't supposed to be anyone's fault. Your argument is stupid because it would also support that incels can be blamed for being virgins/social failures.

Trying to dismiss that as "naturalistic argument" is nonsense. I never said people can't act out of instinct/impulses, I'm saying you can't blame people for how they play a game that is rigged either for or against them (edit: when no crimes/violations are being commited). You can't play cards you weren't dealt in the first place, but you can choose to play or not a hand you were dealt.

Expecting women to stop being hypergamic, or blaming them when they act a certain way that 100% benefits them makes 0 sense. It's like trying to diss on a soccer player for scoring a penalty kick. Face it, if you were born a genetically superior male ("chad") you would be doing "chad" things, probably dissing on incels too.

And the fact that you compare murder and rape to hypergamy makes it clear you have no idea whatsoever of what you're talking about.
 
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Yes, precisely that. Humans' natural inclinations aren't supposed to be anyone's fault. Your argument is stupid because it would also support that incels can be blamed for being virgins/social failures.

Trying to dismiss that as "naturalistic argument" is nonsense. I never said people can't act out of instinct/impulses, I'm saying you can't blame people for how they play a game that is rigged either for or against them (edit: when no crimes/violations are being commited). You can't play cards you weren't dealt in the first place, but you can choose to play or not a hand you were dealt.

Expecting women to stop being hypergamic, or blaming them when they act a certain way that 100% benefits them makes 0 sense. It's like trying to diss on a soccer player for scoring a penalty kick. Face it, if you were born a genetically superior male ("chad") you would be doing "chad" things, probably dissing on incels too.

And the fact that you compare murder and rape to hypergamy makes it clear you have no idea whatsoever of what you're talking about.

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Yes, precisely that. Humans' natural inclinations aren't supposed to be anyone's fault.
What the hell kind of reddit-tier, foid white knighting is this? No one is blaming people for their natural instincts. We're blaming them for acting out on them without any repercussions and with complete disregard to consequences.

Your argument is stupid because it would also support that incels can be blamed for being virgins/social failures.
This is absolutely retarded. It isn't a natural inclination/instinct for genetically subhuman tier men to be incels. EVERYONE HERE STILL HAS THE INSTINCT TO FUCK ALL THE WOMEN WE CAN, BUT WE CAN'T EVEN FUCK ONE, BECAUSE OF ANOTHER INSTINCT: HYPERGAMY.

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Trying to dismiss that as "naturalistic argument" is nonsense. I never said people can't act out of instinct/impulses, I'm saying you can't blame people for how they play a game that is rigged either for or against them (edit: when no crimes/violations are being commited). You can't play cards you weren't dealt in the first place, but you can choose to play or not a hand you were dealt.
You're literally excusing female hypergamy, because "it's just their natural instincts bro." That is 100% the naturalistic argument.

Expecting women to stop being hypergamic, or blaming them when they act a certain way that 100% benefits them makes 0 sense. It's like trying to diss on a soccer player for scoring a penalty kick.
Terrible analogy. Evolutionary instinct does not map to a sport game. It's not just "what they're supposed to do." You can change the way soccer is played, but you can't change evolutionary programming.

Face it, if you were born a genetically superior male ("chad") you would be doing "chad" things, probably dissing on incels too.
That's all socialized, not instinct. Chads are still men, like us, and they have the same natural inclinations and instincts (polygamy, aggression etc.).

And the fact that you compare murder and rape to hypergamy makes it clear you have no idea whatsoever of what you're talking about.
You don't seem to comprehend the fact that rape is natural and the male is predominantly the sexual aggressor in nature. If you accept that hypergamy is a natural instinct, then you must accept the male instinct to have sex with women on the male's terms is also a natural instinct.

You know what stops this male instinct? Societal norms and the law. You know what DOESN'T stop the female instinct (hypergamy)? The exact same thing.
 
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What the hell kind of reddit-tier, foid white knighting is this? No one is blaming people for their natural instincts. We're blaming them for acting out on them without any repercussions and with complete disregard to consequences.
It's actually black pill day-1. You can't change inclinations, desires, will, and so on. The way you were born defines how far you can get in life, and your genetic code pretty much rule all your desires later in life.

How the hell did you get reddit cesspool involved in this is beyond my imagination though. I'm not defending women at all, and never will. I simply state the obvous: They can't choose not to go after genetically superior males, it's in their DNA, humans evolved that way.

If you were born a woman you would be chasing those cocks too.
This is absolutely retarded. It isn't a natural inclination/instinct for genetically subhuman tier men to be incels. EVERYONE HERE STILL HAS THE INSTINCT TO FUCK ALL THE WOMEN WE CAN, BUT WE CAN'T EVEN FUCK ONE, BECAUSE OF ANOTHER INSTINCT: HYPERGAMY.
You're the one acting retarded here. No, it's not women's hypergamy what keeps incels from having sex. Hypergamy is simply one of the many results of human evolution over ages, like concealed ovulation. I'm not saying women are saints (halo effect is real), I simply do not accept that you can put people at fault for acting according to what benefits them the most as long as they're not treading on anyone else's.

Again, if you were born a female you would be begging for genetically superior male's sperm in your uterus. If you were that genetically superior male, you would be fucking everyone you wanted and bullying incels if you had the chance. And I believe that even if you magically became that very male right now, keeping all your memories and experiences as an incel, you would still act that way and would probably treat other incels harsher than anyone else.

Also, learn to differentiate instinct from actions. No one's to blame for wanting to act on their instincts, but they can be blamed for acting in a way that harms other human beings. Hypergamy doesn't fall on this category because no one has any obligation to fuck people they don't want to.

It sucks that evolution made human females the way they are, with almost all advantages in the sexual scenario, but again if you think they can be blamed simply for playing the cards nature gave them over millenia then you got everything wrong.


You're literally excusing female hypergamy, because "it's just their natural instincts bro." That is 100% the naturalistic argument.
Keeping it real and accepting facts isn't the same as excusing that behavior. Hypergamy exists, despite anything you think, and women benefit from it without ever doing anything. You can't change that, humans evolved that way and that's pretty much it.

In fact I believe women can't even choose not to be hypergamy, at least not without massive downsides, and one of the many reasons trannies aren't real women, as they too can't be hypergamous even if they tried.

Terrible analogy. Evolutionary instinct does not map to a sport game. It's not just "what they're supposed to do." You can change the way soccer is played, but you can't change evolutionary programming.
That's why they call it "analogy" and not a "perfect equivalence of everything at every level".

That's all socialized, not instinct. Chads are still men, like us, and they have the same natural inclinations and instincts (polygamy, aggression etc.).
No it's not. You're probably just trolling at this point. No one had to teach them socially how to attract women, have sex and bully others, and even if taught on the contrary they would mostly still do those things anyway.

You don't seem to comprehend the fact that rape is natural and the male is predominantly the sexual aggressor in nature. If you accept that hypergamy is a natural instinct, then you must accept the male instinct to have sex with women on the male's terms is also a natural instinct.

You know what stops this male instinct? Societal norms and the law. You know what DOESN'T stop the female instinct (hypergamy)? The exact same thing.
No, I totally get it. Rape is no less natural than cannibalism, murder and so on. There's a huge difference though: Acting on one's hypergamy does not harm anyone's rights.

Female hypergamy amounts to the desire to form a relationship with a male that is higher on the social hierarchy than her. Since women worldwide prefer dominant males, in the end, they're looking for men of higher social status than they, especially the wealthy. They can't force their way to those resources even if they wanted to, so there is no crime or violation - it's actually those guys' fault for falling on gold diggers scams and having the most expensive sex one can have.

Rape, on the other hand, violates other's rights and their bodies. This is a fundamental difference. There's no reason for laws to be passed against female hypergamy or genetically superior males polygamy because those behaviors do not conflict with anyone's right.

And if you think curbing female hypergamy would increase the chances of me and you having sex with them, then you're a lost cause.
 
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It's actually black pill day-1. You can't change inclinations, desires, will, and so on. The way you were born defines how far you can get in life, and your genetic code pretty much rule all your desires later in life.
Yes, I didn't argue that you can change any of those things. You're arguing a straw man.

How the hell did you get reddit cesspool involved in this is beyond my imagination though. I'm not defending women at all, and never will. I simply state the obvous: They can't choose not to go after genetically superior males, it's in their DNA, humans evolved that way.

If you were born a woman you would be chasing those cocks too.
You're absolving personal responsibility and accountability under the guise of the "natural order of things." That may not be a direct defence of women, but it indirectly does defend their misbehaviors.

You're the one acting retarded here. No, it's not women's hypergamy what keeps incels from having sex. Hypergamy is simply one of the many results of human evolution over ages, like concealed ovulation. I'm not saying women are saints (halo effect is real), I simply do not accept that you can put people at fault for acting according to what benefits them the most as long as they're not treading on anyone else's.
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You absolutely can blame people for acting on their natural instincts. That's why we have all kinds of laws to prevent all kinds of chaos that would ensue from letting people act on their natural instincts consequence-free. We're not mindless animals who do nothing except eat, shit, fuck, and kill. Maybe you see yourself as nothing more than that. JFL

Again, if you were born a female you would be begging for genetically superior male's sperm in your uterus. If you were that genetically superior male, you would be fucking everyone you wanted
All males and females have the same respective evolutionary directives. I don't know what profundity you're trying to explicate here, but no shit.

and bullying incels if you had the chance.
WTF is this? Are you trying to say that this is a natural instinct too?

And I believe that even if you magically became that very male right now, keeping all your memories and experiences as an incel, you would still act that way and would probably treat other incels harsher than anyone else.
This is just bullshit assumption-making.

Also, learn to differentiate instinct from actions. No one's to blame for wanting to act on their instincts, but they can be blamed for acting in a way that harms other human beings. Hypergamy doesn't fall on this category because no one has any obligation to fuck people they don't want to.
You've almost got it. You're thinking in 1D when the problem of hypergamy is in 3D. The harm of hypergamy is reflected in many way in society. A simple, concrete example is the countless instances of cuckoldry that result in bastard children being raised by non-biological fathers who falsely believe the child to be theirs. At an institutional and societal level, this hypergamy is protected by the state laws. See: France's ban on paternity testing to "maintain social order." Apparently, this problem is so prevalent there, that even the fucking French government realized how bad it would get if all the slut wives got outed as the degenerate whores that they are.

It sucks that evolution made human females the way they are, with almost all advantages in the sexual scenario, but again if you think they can be blamed simply for playing the cards nature gave them over millenia then you got everything wrong.
It's not the playing of the cards. It's how they're being played.

Keeping it real and accepting facts isn't the same as excusing that behavior. Hypergamy exists, despite anything you think, and women benefit from it without ever doing anything. You can't change that, humans evolved that way and that's pretty much it.
Just defend hypergamy theory. Again.

In fact I believe women can't even choose not to be hypergamy, at least not without massive downsides, and one of the many reasons trannies aren't real women, as they too can't be hypergamous even if they tried.
Yeah, no shit, pal. It's an evolutionary directive.

That's why they call it "analogy" and not a "perfect equivalence of everything at every level".
There are good and bad analogies. That one is a shit analogy.

No it's not. You're probably just trolling at this point. No one had to teach them socially how to attract women, have sex and bully others, and even if taught on the contrary they would mostly still do those things anyway.
WTF are you talking about? I'm talking about the bullying behavior that's socialized. You're propping up bullying like it's a natural instinct and I'm telling you that it isn't.

No, I totally get it. Rape is no less natural than cannibalism, murder and so on. There's a huge difference though: Acting on one's hypergamy does not harm anyone's rights.
See above. It harms the rights of the cuckolded husband and the rights of the child (who probably won't know his real father), both of whom are affected emotionally, psychologically, and financially (mostly the father, but also the non-biological child with respect to inheritance etc.).

Female hypergamy amounts to the desire to form a relationship with a male that is higher on the social hierarchy than her. Since women worldwide prefer dominant males, in the end, they're looking for men of higher social status than they, especially the wealthy. They can't force their way to those resources even if they wanted to, so there is no crime or violation - it's actually those guys' fault for falling on gold diggers scams and having the most expensive sex one can have.
This is the most full-blown female-defending soy thing you've said so far in the thread. You're literally victim-blaming lonely and love-starved men for being the prey to ruthless and predatory gold diggers who see them as nothing but marks to be bled dry and discarded.

AND YOU'RE EXCUSING IT, BECAUSE "YOU CAN'T BLAME THEM FOR THEIR HYPERGAMY BRO."

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Rape, on the other hand, violates other's rights and their bodies. This is a fundamental difference. There's no reason for laws to be passed against female hypergamy or genetically superior males polygamy because those behaviors do not conflict with anyone's right.
The concept of monogamy was created precisely to curb female hypergamy and its destructive effects on social harmony. Marriage laws pre-feminism also added to the curbing of this aspect of female nature.

You're being extremely myopic about this at best, and deceptively malicious at worst. You have to be the biggest, most absolute cuck in the world to be OK with female hypergamy and not blame women for acting out on their selfish impulses, which happen to have destructive effects in societies. This is a thing that even the ancients knew about. They were the most black pilled on women.

And if you think curbing female hypergamy would increase the chances of me and you having sex with them, then you're a lost cause.
I've never said that. Hypergamy is just the opposite, competing sexual strategy. Curbing hypergamy won't ever make her feel viscerally attracted to you, because that's out of everyone's control. Hypergamy will always exist, regardless of whether or not we have incel Utopia with enforced monogamy and state-mandated wives or whatever. The point of curbing hypergamy is to prevent social disorder and chaos, like our current state of affairs in the Western world with respect to dating, relationships, and male-female relations.

But keep coping and propping up straw men.
 
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Yes, I didn't argue that you can change any of those things. You're arguing a straw man.
I didn't said you did. I simply (re)established something basic in order to organize my thoughts.
You're absolving personal responsibility and accountability under the guise of the "natural order of things." That may not be a direct defence of women, but it indirectly does defend their misbehaviors.
Hypergamy isn't misbehavior. It's well within bounds of personal choice, instinctive or not. No one has to date/fuck/marry anyone they don't want to. That's what you don't seem to comprehend - you can't compare hypergamic behavior to other behaviors that harm society directly or indirectly.

And keep in mind we're all on this side of the fence, you can't assume your experience defines the matter.

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You absolutely can blame people for acting on their natural instincts. That's why we have all kinds of laws to prevent all kinds of chaos that would ensue from letting people act on their natural instincts consequence-free. We're not mindless animals who do nothing except eat, shit, fuck, and kill. Maybe you see yourself as nothing more than that. JFL
You can but it's stupid. It's the same as trying to blame us for being rejected by women. It doesn't make sense - we're just victims of a system that benefits those who tread on others for their benefit instead of altruist people.
All males and females have the same respective evolutionary directives. I don't know what profundity you're trying to explicate here, but no shit.

WTF is this? Are you trying to say that this is a natural instinct too?
I'm literally saying what I think would happen in that case in point. You can disagree, but you and me can only speculate.

This is just bullshit assumption-making.
Of course it is. That's all anyone can do, guess about, but even guesses can be educated. Since you would retain all your memories and still have no incentive whatsoever in helping anyone here, I can only assume that's what you (and perhaps 99% of users in this forum) would do.
You've almost got it. You're thinking in 1D when the problem of hypergamy is in 3D. The harm of hypergamy is reflected in many way in society. A simple, concrete example is the countless instances of cuckoldry that result in bastard children being raised by non-biological fathers who falsely believe the child to be theirs. At an institutional and societal level, this hypergamy is protected by the state laws. See: France's ban on paternity testing to "maintain social order." Apparently, this problem is so prevalent there, that even the fucking French government realized how bad it would get if all the slut wives got outed as the degenerate whores that they are.
So what? You're not forced to marry women. Any man can have a vasectomy. The state can't force you to impregnate women.

You really wanna compare that to actual wars, rampant criminality (especially in the black community), heart disease, drugs, polution and financial inequality/unemployment?

Being a cuckold can be prevented simply by not marrying. Why any male would like to marry in these times is beyond my imagination, and depending on the woman you marry you almost deserves to be cheated on/cucked. Hypergamy is a breeze, easily avoided. e.g. false allegations of rape are more dangerous for males in general
It's not the playing of the cards. It's how they're being played.
It's both. Like I said it's well within bounds of personal rights. The harm caused is often against specific males who where stupid enough to marry those women and I can't say I feel sorry for them.
Just defend hypergamy theory. Again.
I never defended it. It exists, can't be undone, deal with it.

Why incels would care about hypergamy anyway? It simply doesn't affect us. It affects dumbasses who try to get a date on tinder and other online dating apps. If you use those apps you can't blame anyone for your misfortune since it's long known it is the most fertile place for aggressive hypergamy as it allows even the ugliest of women to exert it.
There are good and bad analogies. That one is a shit analogy.
It's your opinion.

WTF are you talking about? I'm talking about the bullying behavior that's socialized. You're propping up bullying like it's a natural instinct and I'm telling you that it isn't.
Evidence shows it may be.
See above. It harms the rights of the cuckolded husband and the rights of the child (who probably won't know his real father), both of whom are affected emotionally, psychologically, and financially (mostly the father, but also the non-biological child with respect to inheritance etc.).
If you wanna talk SOCIETY DAMAGE then let's talk about how taxes are disproportionally allocated to suit WOMENS' NEEDS which has no relation with hypergamy at all.

Hypergamy as itself causes us no harm, unless you're dumb enough to marry, especially in the ocident.
This is the most full-blown female-defending soy thing you've said so far in the thread. You're literally victim-blaming lonely and love-starved men for being the prey to ruthless and predatory gold diggers who see them as nothing but marks to be bled dry and discarded.

AND YOU'RE EXCUSING IT, BECAUSE "YOU CAN'T BLAME THEM FOR THEIR HYPERGAMY BRO."

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I never defended or excused female behavior anywhere. Nor said I like or support hypergamy. I simply stated the obvious multiple times - in fact I'd like to know why do you care so much about hypergamy, how it affects us as incels?
The concept of monogamy was created precisely to curb female hypergamy and its destructive effects on social harmony. Marriage laws pre-feminism also added to the curbing of this aspect of female nature.
First and foremost, no one ever proved that. Second, even feminists get screwed due to hypergamy, since the huge majority of them are low tier females (ugly, stupid and rancid personalities) who are borderline female incels. Technically speaking female hypergamy harms feminism a lot more than "normie" males, who at least can procreate/marry and be happy even if in ignorance
You're being extremely myopic about this at best, and deceptively malicious at worst. You have to be the biggest, most absolute cuck in the world to be OK with female hypergamy and not blame women for acting out on their selfish impulses, which happen to have destructive effects in societies. This is a thing that even the ancients knew about. They were the most black pilled on women.
Again: Hypergamy doesn't affect us as you think it does. And curbing it wouldn't make anything easier for us. Women would rather stay single than dating a low-tier male, in fact, they already do that.
I've never said that. Hypergamy is just the opposite, competing sexual strategy. Curbing hypergamy won't ever make her feel viscerally attracted to you, because that's out of everyone's control. Hypergamy will always exist, regardless of whether or not we have incel Utopia with enforced monogamy and state-mandated wives or whatever. The point of curbing hypergamy is to prevent social disorder and chaos, like our current state of affairs in the Western world with respect to dating, relationships, and male-female relations.

But keep coping and propping up straw men.
As said many times before, hypergamy isn't to blame for social chaos or whatever tinfoil hat conspiracy you believe.

It's marginally bad even for the greatest of victims, modern males who marry and often (~15% iirc) raise kids from other males, with better genetics than them.
 
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I didn't said you did. I simply (re)established something basic in order to organize my thoughts.
You presented it as as counter-point to this part of my post: "No one is blaming people for their natural instincts. We're blaming them for acting out on them without any repercussions and with complete disregard to consequences."

Don't herp and derp then. You can "organize your thoughts" before posting.

Hypergamy isn't misbehavior. It's well within bounds of personal choice, instinctive or not. No one has to date/fuck/marry anyone they don't want to.
Are you not reading anything carefully? I said hypergamy leads to misbehaviors, not that hypergamy is the misbehavior, because women choose to act on their evolutionary instincts, despite the consequences (and also their better judgment in many instances).

You seem to be very selective in how you apply agency to people. When it comes to making life choices, they have full freedom of choice. But when it comes to their natural instincts, that same agency just flies out the window and is nowhere to be found.

That's a reddit moment if I ever saw one.

That's what you don't seem to comprehend - you can't compare hypergamic behavior to other behaviors that harm society directly or indirectly.
I can, and I did. I gave you the prime example of how hypergamy is harmful for society (cuckoldry and illegitimate children), but you didn't read, did read and ignored it, or couldn't process it.

And keep in mind we're all on this side of the fence, you can't assume your experience defines the matter.
You and I are not on same side of the fence. You're excusing excusing animal instinct (namely hypergamy), ignoring the concepts of responsibility and accountability, and selectively applying agency where it suits you.

I don't know what "experience" you're referring to, but my experience is the human experience of knowing, understanding, and differentiating between our basal instincts and our higher cognitive processes that allow for volition and agency.

You can but it's stupid. It's the same as trying to blame us for being rejected by women. It doesn't make sense - we're just victims of a system that benefits those who tread on others for their benefit instead of altruist people.
You're acting as if a woman monkey branching is just like a dog shitting in the house. A woman chooses to monkey branch. She doesn't do it and destroy her current relationship because she just can't help herself.

I'm literally saying what I think would happen in that case in point. You can disagree, but you and me can only speculate.
We're not talking about what-ifs and speculation. You can leave all of that out.

Of course it is. That's all anyone can do, guess about, but even guesses can be educated. Since you would retain all your memories and still have no incentive whatsoever in helping anyone here, I can only assume that's what you (and perhaps 99% of users in this forum) would do.
Then stop guessing.

So what? You're not forced to marry women. Any man can have a vasectomy. The state can't force you to impregnate women.
WTF IS THIS? What does a vasectomy and forced impregnation (JFL) have to do with anything we're talking about?

You really wanna compare that to actual wars, rampant criminality (especially in the black community), heart disease, drugs, polution and financial inequality/unemployment?
Again, WTF IS ALL OF THIS? You're bringing up shit nobody is arguing and making points about.

Is this another reddit moment I'm not seeing?

Being a cuckold can be prevented simply by not marrying. Why any male would like to marry in these times is beyond my imagination, and depending on the woman you marry you almost deserves to be cheated on/cucked. Hypergamy is a breeze, easily avoided. e.g. false allegations of rape are more dangerous for males in general
This, bar none, is the dumbest thing you've ever said, thus far. You know you can get cheated on and get cucked outside of marriage, right? Marriage is just a formal process. It's the pair-bonding and the woman sleeping around, having other men's children that's the issue.

At this point, it's starting to look more and more like you're a reddit troll bored and wanting to be a shitdisturber here.

It's both. Like I said it's well within bounds of personal rights. The harm caused is often against specific males who where stupid enough to marry those women and I can't say I feel sorry for them.
You keep making counter-points about things that weren't argued. I'm not talking about marriage there. And even if I was, you're making the point that extra-marital behavior due to hypergamy is perfectly acceptable, because women are just acting as nature intended by seeking chad seed, while their betabuxx toils away and supports her lifestyle, and you're BLAMING THE MEN GETTING CHEATED ON.

That is supreme soy. Either that, or you must be a hole. Only a foid would be blaming men for getting cheated on as a matter of course, because, of course, women monkey branch. So, of course, the man should have known, and, of course, it's his fault.

I never defended it. It exists, can't be undone, deal with it.
We were dealing with it. For a good long while in fact. Then feminism swooped in, dropped its turds, and undid all of the work from the past.

Why incels would care about hypergamy anyway? It simply doesn't affect us. It affects dumbasses who try to get a date on tinder and other online dating apps. If you use those apps you can't blame anyone for your misfortune since it's long known it is the most fertile place for aggressive hypergamy as it allows even the ugliest of women to exert it.
You just argued against yourself and disproved the very thing you're trying to argue for. It doesn't affect us, but it affects because tinder. What, you think tinder exists in a vacuum? The effects of the technology spill over into culture and society in ways you're not even comprehending.

@Komesarj89 Please educate this GrAYcel redditor. And if you want to pin something, pin this shitshow thread so people can laugh at the idiocy being spewed here.

It's your opinion.
Explain your reasoning behind that analogy then.

Evidence shows it may be.
That's interesting. But it doesn't invalidate the main argument that we have rational agency and are not basal animals who are slave to our evolutionary directives without any personal responsibility and accountability.

If you wanna talk SOCIETY DAMAGE then let's talk about how taxes are disproportionally allocated to suit WOMENS' NEEDS which has no relation with hypergamy at all.
Is this a bad fucking joke? The welfare state exists precisely so many women make terrible decisions based on their terrible mating choices (because chad/tyrone hypergamy) and the state ends up being the father to their bastard children. We all get cucked and pay for her to raise another potential degenerate thug to perpetuate the hypergamic cycle and destabilize society even further.

Hypergamy as itself causes us no harm, unless you're dumb enough to marry, especially in the ocident.
OK, for fuck's sake, now I have to call you out for being an idiot. I literally just gave you yet another example above of how hypergamy harms society and the greater good.

I never defended or excused female behavior anywhere. Nor said I like or support hypergamy.
iu


This whole argument is because of exactly that.
I disagree. In fact I disagree with 99% of posts that try to blame women for whatever above what is at a personal level. The main fault isn't theirs, nor ours, not genetically superior males either. It's the natural order.
Exhibit A of you defending/excusing female behavior, because, you argue, we shouldn't be held accountable for choices we make as a result of our natural inclinations and instinct.

I simply stated the obvious multiple times - in fact I'd like to know why do you care so much about hypergamy, how it affects us as incels?
See earlier in this post.

First and foremost, no one ever proved that.
We don't need to prove it. We simply need to observe its effects on the stability of societies. The family unit is the fundamental building block of society. Monogamy helps maintain the order of the family unit and non-monogamy which leads to the disintegration of that unit leads to chaos. Just observe the single motherhood phenomenon to get a glimpse of this in action.

Second, even feminists get screwed due to hypergamy, since the huge majority of them are low tier females (ugly, stupid and rancid personalities) who are borderline female incels. Technically speaking female hypergamy harms feminism a lot more than "normie" males, who at least can procreate/marry and be happy even if in ignorance
Un-FUCKING-believable.

There are no female incels. There are no "borderline" female incels. Hypergamy always favors women, by design. Females can always be choosy and they will always be in demand in some capacity.

Take your fucking soy bottle and GTFO with this garbage.

Again: Hypergamy doesn't affect us as you think it does. And curbing it wouldn't make anything easier for us. Women would rather stay single than dating a low-tier male, in fact, they already do that.
Once again, I did not say that curbing hypergamy would immediately make life for better for us tomorrow. The damage has already been done at a cultural and societal level. It's going to take multiple generations and cultural shifts to regress away from the absolute state of the current degeneracy. Removing feminism and gynocentricity in society would be a massive step in the positive direction.

As said many times before, hypergamy isn't to blame for social chaos or whatever tinfoil hat conspiracy you believe.
It's marginally bad even for the greatest of victims, modern males who marry and often (~15% iirc) raise kids from other males, with better genetics than them.
>claims hypergamy isn't to blame for social chaos or whatever tinfoil hat conspiracy
>acknowledges that ~15% of the population from married families are bastard children with better genes than the cucked man who has to raise them

Yeah, you really should go back to reddit and just stay there.
 
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You presented it as as counter-point to this part of my post: "No one is blaming people for their natural instincts. We're blaming them for acting out on them without any repercussions and with complete disregard to consequences."

Don't herp and derp then. You can "organize your thoughts" before posting.


Are you not reading anything carefully? I said hypergamy leads to misbehaviors, not that hypergamy is the misbehavior, because women choose to act on their evolutionary instincts, despite the consequences (and also their better judgment in many instances).

You seem to be very selective in how you apply agency to people. When it comes to making life choices, they have full freedom of choice. But when it comes to their natural instincts, that same agency just flies out the window and is nowhere to be found.

That's a reddit moment if I ever saw one.


I can, and I did. I gave you the prime example of how hypergamy is harmful for society (cuckoldry and illegitimate children), but you didn't read, did read and ignored it, or couldn't process it.


You and I are not on same side of the fence. You're excusing excusing animal instinct (namely hypergamy), ignoring the concepts of responsibility and accountability, and selectively applying agency where it suits you.

I don't know what "experience" you're referring to, but my experience is the human experience of knowing, understanding, and differentiating between our basal instincts and our higher cognitive processes that allow for volition and agency.


You're acting as if a woman monkey branching is just like a dog shitting in the house. A woman chooses to monkey branch. She doesn't do it and destroy her current relationship because she just can't help herself.


We're not talking about what-ifs and speculation. You can leave all of that out.


Then stop guessing.


WTF IS THIS? What does a vasectomy and forced impregnation (JFL) have to do with anything we're talking about?


Again, WTF IS ALL OF THIS? You're bringing up shit nobody is arguing and making points about.

Is this another reddit moment I'm not seeing?


This, bar none, is the dumbest thing you've ever said, thus far. You know you can get cheated on and get cucked outside of marriage, right? Marriage is just a formal process. It's the pair-bonding and the woman sleeping around, having other men's children that's the issue.

At this point, it's starting to look more and more like you're a reddit troll bored and wanting to be a shitdisturber here.


You keep making counter-points about things that weren't argued. I'm not talking about marriage there. And even if I was, you're making the point that extra-marital behavior due to hypergamy is perfectly acceptable, because women are just acting as nature intended by seeking chad seed, while their betabuxx toils away and supports her lifestyle, and you're BLAMING THE MEN GETTING CHEATED ON.

That is supreme soy. Either that, or you must be a hole. Only a foid would be blaming men for getting cheated on as a matter of course, because, of course, women monkey branch. So, of course, the man should have known, and, of course, it's his fault.


We were dealing with it. For a good long while in fact. Then feminism swooped in, dropped its turds, and undid all of the work from the past.


You just argued against yourself and disproved the very thing you're trying to argue for. It doesn't affect us, but it affects because tinder. What, you think tinder exists in a vacuum? The effects of the technology spill over into culture and society in ways you're not even comprehending.

@Komesarj89 Please educate this GrAYcel redditor. And if you want to pin something, pin this shitshow thread so people can laugh at the idiocy being spewed here.


Explain your reasoning behind that analogy then.


That's interesting. But it doesn't invalidate the main argument that we have rational agency and are not basal animals who are slave to our evolutionary directives without any personal responsibility and accountability.


Is this a bad fucking joke? The welfare state exists precisely so many women make terrible decisions based on their terrible mating choices (because chad/tyrone hypergamy) and the state ends up being the father to their bastard children. We all get cucked and pay for her to raise another potential degenerate thug to perpetuate the hypergamic cycle and destabilize society even further.


OK, for fuck's sake, now I have to call you out for being an idiot. I literally just gave you yet another example above of how hypergamy harms society and the greater good.


iu


This whole argument is because of exactly that.

Exhibit A of you defending/excusing female behavior, because, you argue, we shouldn't be held accountable for choices we make as a result of our natural inclinations and instinct.


See earlier in this post.


We don't need to prove it. We simply need to observe its effects on the stability of societies. The family unit is the fundamental building block of society. Monogamy helps maintain the order of the family unit and non-monogamy which leads to the disintegration of that unit leads to chaos. Just observe the single motherhood phenomenon to get a glimpse of this in action.


Un-FUCKING-believable.

There are no female incels. There are no "borderline" female incels. Hypergamy always favors women, by design. Females can always be choosy and they will always be in demand in some capacity.

Take your fucking soy bottle and GTFO with this garbage.


Once again, I did not say that curbing hypergamy would immediately make life for better for us tomorrow. The damage has already been done at a cultural and societal level. It's going to take multiple generations and cultural shifts to regress away from the absolute state of the current degeneracy. Removing feminism and gynocentricity in society would be a massive step in the positive direction.



>claims hypergamy isn't to blame for social chaos or whatever tinfoil hat conspiracy
>acknowledges that ~15% of the population from married families are bastard children with better genes than the cucked man who has to raise them

Yeah, you really should go back to reddit and just stay there.
He’s dead Jim.
 
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I bet they wrote those "messages" from inkwels they quoted themselves. Sounds like a chad rape fantasy from one of those romance books they love to read so much.
 
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And once again, women show they don't fucking have the fucking slightest shitty fucking idea of what they are talking about, yet like to behave as if they know everything.
 
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These braindead cunts probably never went within 10 feet of your average incel. They base their theories on online edgelords
 

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