Theory Man become Monster: Future Fisherian Runaway

[Nithingr]

Man become Monster: Future Fisherian Runaway​

“… from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved.”
– Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species, 1859
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The desires of women, and man’s willingness to remake himself as she prefers shall lead to a future of posthuman male creatures such as populate the most perverse of womankind’s erotic literature. Man will become Monster. This will be accomplished via future methods of cosmetic surgery wherein the regenerative capacity of cells are harnessed to shape human morphology at will. The appearance of nonhuman features will be easily achieved. Future humans resembling animals and fantasy creatures shall be commonplace. Incomprehensible chimeras formed of hundreds of monstrous elements shall dazzle the senses.​

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It’s common knowledge that women fuck dogs. Some fuck horses. Here’s a list of some of the creatures women have written about fucking, obtained by 5 minutes scrolling through the degeneracy of the ‘monster’ tag on literotica.com. Many of these creatures were first mentioned in mythic accounts as evil entities opposed to the order of Gods.

Devils
Dragons
Vampires
Snakes
Frankenstein’s Monster
Lovecraftian Entities
Typhon
The Kraken
Tentacle Monsters
Trolls
Ghosts
Orcs
Headless Horseman
Incubus
Hell-beings
Baal
Man-Spider Chimera
Satan
Aliens

Could a woman’s longed for evil entity manifest in the flesh, undoubtedly her fantasy would be willingly enacted as reality. Certainly she strives to realise her mundane sexual fantasies by pursuit of the most attractive men. It is this fantasy which gynocentric men compete with each other to fulfil in hopes of acquiring sex. When control of man’s morphology is technologically viable, the same incentive structure will lead gynocentric men to become the monsters of her fantasies.

It may be doubted that human forms could be transformed into the vehicle of her perversions. Briefly will be surmised the evidence tending towards the possibility of morphological control of humans. It should be understood that regeneration is the recreation of functional cellular tissue. This is unlike scar tissue, which is non-functional.

Planarians can regenerate their head or tails if cut in half. If cut into 279 pieces, each piece will grow back into a full planarian.

Planarians treated with gap-junction blockers or ion channel drugs that interfere with their bioelectric state can be programmed to grow two heads or no heads when cut in half, and this persists indefinitely. These same morphoceuticals can be used to alter the shape of the head to resemble other species of planarians.

By the same methods, tadpoles can be generated without eyes, or with a functioning eye on their tail instead, or with a face scrambled such that it resembles a Picasso painting.

Once the mechanism of regeneration and morphological control is understood in small life-forms, it shall be easier to understand and control the mechanism in larger life-forms such as mammals.

The spiny mouse, rabbit and goat can regenerate skin, hair follicles and cartilage in their ears. Non-regenerative mice transfected with regenerative rabbit genes have increased ear regeneration.

Male deer regenerate their antlers each year.

The human liver can regenerate up to 90% of removed tissue. Human children under the age of eleven can regenerate their fingers when the injury is above the first joint. Broken human bones regenerate by growing new bone tissue.

If the mechanism behind finger, liver and bone regeneration is understood, any cell in the body could be transfected with the same healing ability, such as the genetically modified mice above. This would enable regeneration of physical injuries in any region of the body. Then, whether modified by human or non-human genes, morphoceuticals such as gap-junction blockers and ion channel drugs can alter the bioelectric regeneration pattern in cells to induce novel tissue patterns, as evidenced in the planarian and tadpole.

Future developments in morphoceutical drugs, having greater accuracy and variety, projected along the lines as currently laid down, make plausible control of future man’s form entire. Total control of human morphology would allow regeneration of all injuries and generation of novel functioning tissues for cosmetic purposes.

Just as plastic surgery was initially developed to treat the disfigured, so too shall human morphology control begin as treatment and end as a cosmetic surgery.

So if men already alter their appearance with plastic surgery to suit the dictates of women’s desires, and woman also desire Devils, then when morphological surgery is available, the transformation of Man into Monster is inevitable.​

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Fisherian Runaway is a term for describing the transformation of a species that occurs when the female's preference for aesthetic features outweighs other considerations and constraints. In some species, this can lead to physical death due to the inability to survive in nature as a consequence of their new form. Examples include deer with antlers too large, or birds with feathers too long. When technology enables female sexual selection pressure to favour monsters over men, it may threaten physical survival as a consequence. However, this is not certain, as technology has and will continue to enable the survival of species unfit for nature.

Of greater certainty is the spiritual death hazarded by men who choose to become devils in pursuit of sex with women. The dwarf Fafnir of Germanic tradition transformed himself into a Dragon to protect his hoarded gold. Circe, the female sorcereress who seduced Odysseus, transformed his crew into swine. What was magic in the past, shall be technology in the future.

During our times, man is spiritually transformed. That is, he willingly develops Dark Triad (Tetrad including Sadism) traits in order to acquire sex with women. Whether to appeal to hybristophiliacs or to gain an edge in male-on-male competition for women, he sells his soul for pussy. Even flirting and chivalry are inherently Machiavellian due their reliance on plausible deniability as a method for communicating simultaneous sexual and non-sexual cues. Older traditions of acquiring women, such as agreement between the female’s guardian and prospective husband, or rapine through war, require honesty, courage and pro-social behaviours.

Will it be considered volcel in the future to refuse physical transformation into an evil entity if that would give you a chance to have sex?

Is it volcel now to refuse spiritual transformation into an evil entity if that would give you a chance to have sex?

Regardless, the female propensity to lead men into Hell, whether in this life or the next, is affirmed by this speculation into future technology.​

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“It is recorded in the old histories of Florence, that a certain devout person, who was held in great veneration for the sanctity of his life, being one day at prayers in his closet, had a vision, in which he saw numbers of Souls descending into hell: the much greater part of which complained it was owing to their wives that they were sent thither: at which, Minos, Æacus, Rhadamanthus, and the rest of the infernal Judges were not a little astonished. But though they looked upon it for some time only as a malicious slander raised upon married women; yet, as the complaint grew more and more frequent every day, they at last acquainted Pluto with it: upon which, he resolved to have the matter thoroughly discussed in his Privy Council, and, after mature deliberation, to take such measures as should seem most expedient, to discover whether there was any truth in the complaint, or whether it was a mere calumny.”

- Niccolo Machiavelli, The Marriage of Belphegor, ~1518 AD.
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“80. An unwise man, | if a maiden’s love
Or wealth he chances to win,
His pride will wax, | but his wisdom never,
Straight forward he fares in conceit.
[...]
84. A man shall trust not | the oath of a maid,
Nor the word a woman speaks;
For their hearts on a whirling | wheel were fashioned,
And fickle their breasts were formed.
[…]
90. The love of women | fickle of will
Is like starting o’er ice | with a steed unshod,
A two-year-old restive | and little tamed,
Or steering a rudderless | ship in a storm,
Or, lame, hunting reindeer | on slippery rocks.”

- Odin, Hovamol, ancient Germanic spoken tradition, written down ~900-1000 AD​

 

[Caichan]

i was born monster

 

[Nithingr]

i was born monster

Perhaps, but if so certainly one women don't desire. Unless you are severely disfigured you have a looksmatch that you deserve. You're not a monster brocel, it's this world.

 

[Nithingr]

Bump

 

[Zaraj11]

"Trust not a woman when she weeps, for it is her nature to weep when she wants her will."
- Socrates

 

[Emba]

Why do my antlers hurt when I pee?

 

[GeckoBus]

The desires of women, and man’s willingness to remake himself as she prefers shall lead to a future of posthuman male creatures such as populate the most perverse of womankind’s erotic literature. Man will become Monster. This will be accomplished via future methods of cosmetic surgery wherein the regenerative capacity of cells are harnessed to shape human morphology at will. The appearance of nonhuman features will be easily achieved. Future humans resembling animals and fantasy creatures shall be commonplace. Incomprehensible chimeras formed of hundreds of monstrous elements shall dazzle the senses.

This has already happened. Men ape female behavior and values to gain favor with women. Women do not ape male behavior, they only try to imitate high status men and high status women. The nobility does not compete with the peasantry but only with each other, while trying to gain the kings favor by mirroring him in dress, speech and style. There was a princess in the 1800s that had a lame foot. Women began limping to mimic her for status.

I was also told american english is closer to what actual english sounded like in the 1700s. Apparently english people in their incessant worship of people above them, tried to ape the way noble people speak, thus creating this weird fake posh accent.

Lazy AI insert:

The Rise of Standard British (RP)

• 17th-19th Centuries: A non-rhotic accent (dropping 'r' sounds after vowels, like in "car") developed among the elite in Southern England, particularly associated with public schools and Oxford/Cambridge.
• Status Symbol: The Industrial Revolution saw newly wealthy middle classes adopt this "posh" accent to signal social status, eventually becoming the basis for modern "Standard" British English (Received Pronunciation or "RP").

American Accents

• As English settlers came to America (17th-18th centuries), their speech patterns became "frozen" in place.
• With less influence from the evolving British upper-class accent and more exposure to other immigrant groups, American accents developed independently, preserving older features lost in Britain.

People punch only down and try to suck up to whatever is above them. Authority = parental figure you please by acting right and adjusting your behavior to be like theirs. Childhood never ends.
Men seek status because women like status. Female hypergamy is imitated by men and becomes male hypergamy aka "male competitiveness."

About morphing themselves, as you said, already happening. I would throw in that men absent female validation also try to self-morph into looking worse, out of some weird drive to punish themselves for failing to please women. Men only take care of themselves when they have hope of female validation. When that hope goes, they not only stop taking care of themselves, but actively begin destroying themselves, almost as if to signal how rueful of a sinner they are.

During our times, man is spiritually transformed. That is, he willingly develops Dark Triad (Tetrad including Sadism) traits in order to acquire sex with women. Whether to appeal to hybristophiliacs or to gain an edge in male-on-male competition for women, he sells his soul for pussy. Even flirting and chivalry are inherently Machiavellian due their reliance on plausible deniability as a method for communicating simultaneous sexual and non-sexual cues. Older traditions of acquiring women, such as agreement between the female’s guardian and prospective husband, or rapine through war, require honesty, courage and pro-social behaviours.

Another simple thing that can be observed everywhere is that lower status individuals are more competitive with each other and display lower risk aversion. If you have nothing to begin with, you stop giving a shit about your own safety. Dark triad behavior increases where people have nothing to loose. Even in video games, the lower ranked games are just den of backstabbers and thieves, whereas the higher a persons rank, the more they seek to be cordial, cooperate with other players on their level etc. This has nothing to do with their inherent quality of character, it is just an effect of having more to loose, which switches their entire mindset from one of high-risk-high-reward to low-risk-high-stability.

Since men's status has always been lower than womens, we see more high risk behavior among men. And in 2026, we are seeing a rise of gambling and other low-trust behaviors re-surge, probably as a result of mans continued decline in status, hope and opportunity.

I don't think think they will morph men into cronenberg fuckbois with like 10 dicks and 8 prettyboy faces, but they will double down on blaming men and worshipping women to "save society." This will backfire over and over again. For instance, some tradcucks are claiming we should give women medals and prizes for having babies. Yes, give women even more status, makes perfect sense. My prediction is that these policies will all fail until we reach a point of such societal upheaval that a totalitarian government will ensue - the system will auto-correct. This correction will need to include the following things to stabilize society:

Productivity and need for surplus labor:
Male labor participation has to be guaranteed, either through literal forced conscription and slave labor or social shaming (people shame men for not working, service is denied like during covid etc).

Birth-Rates:
Birth-rates must be maintained, but they will never ever blame women. In fact they will claim women are a special class, victim group and "since women can give birth, they are more vital to society." This will then lead to extreme measures to protect women, like women only train cars, women only everything.

Men will be required to donate sperm, so society can fertilize women without forcing to touch the icky men. There will be a 3-5 child policy. People will not perceive this as oppressive because at this point in time, society will be so fucked that people will automatically see childlessness + lack of productivity as a threat to their own existence (aka womens existence, for man does not value himself), so they will socially enforce these rules without government intervention, again, just like during covid. Women will be the most aggressive here, at socially shaming and punishing dissenters. Just as in some ancient cultures, the men and women will live in semi-seperation.

All of the things I listed already exist, they are present in every human social group. Women, which are society, already shame jobless men for not contributing to society, aka women. Women already shame sexless men and most men, following womens example, shame sexles men too. Sex disproportionately benefits women, not men. The men gets 5 minutes of pleasure and some shitty fake validation. She gets motherhood, his servitude and productivity, control over future generations and much more. Women need sex more than men, structurally, as a collective.

We already see this in the massive billion dollar wealth transfer through operations like OnlyFans. Men willingly give billions to women. This is identical to how marriage used to work, it was the same wealth transfer, just a slightly different methodology. The married man could only jerk off to an imaginary picture of his wife on the toilet, while receiving no sex in the bedroom. The modern man jerks of to imaginary images of women on OnlyFans after surrendering his salary to the curry running the account, just like his predecessor sacrified his salary to his wife, and through his wife to whoever was running the housing market and government (buying her a house, rings, vacations - women are the catalyst of spending and thus the catalyst of the economy - "happy wife happy life" is not just a stupid boomer slogan, it's the battle cry of Keynesian economics).

Also worth mentioning: Most men on OF are married.
Does anyone here seriously believe that these would not "pay" these women in sperm if they asked for it? Think about this. These guys give billions to women for a nano-moment of attention. They buy bathwater, stinky socks, used condoms, poop, farts. If these girls asked these guys to send in their cum, so they can impregnate themselves... bro the birth rate would be 10 kids per woman tomorrow. Women can easily fix society collectively if they want to. And as society tanks, a critical point will be hit where women feel personally threatened suddenly. Since they are a hivebrain, this fear will spread like a wildfire, promoting collective action among women, which will trigger collective action among men. Society will not fail, it can not fail. Women will not let it fail and can not fail anyway, because men will not let women fail.

So what we have seen historically and what we see currently - male submission to women, exploitation of male labor to serve women - it will just get worse until society stabilizes. Btw before anyone mentions importing migrants - does not work. Birth rates are tanking even in africa and Afghanistan. Migrant birth rates adjust to local level after 1-2 generations of living in the west. These people do not keep having 8 kids per woman forever. Internationally for all of human history, the long term trend has been slowly increasing material prosperity. In a few centuries, our western standard of living will be the baseline - our livestyle will be considered poverty in some countries. It is already happening. Poverty in europe is luxury in india or africa. And what is poverty in india and africa now was luxury in these same places 200 years ago.

Even poor indians and africans now have access to smartphones, internet, public transport, running water, basic medical supplies, an abundance of food compared to before and many more luxuries. Keeping this in mind, the whole idea of the 3rd world outbreeding and overrunning the west is kind of ridiculous. They are just slightly behind the curve. Their birth rates will tank when they economically catch up to us and they will face the same social issues, which will then lead to the same solutions: Double down on male exploitation, double down on worshipping women. At first, there will be resistance, but as times get worse, people will fall into line because the idea looming societal collapse becomes a real, tangible threat to people, so for their own saftey, they will cuck and participate.

 

[Nithingr]

I would throw in that men absent female validation also try to self-morph into looking worse, out of some weird drive to punish themselves for failing to please women. Men only take care of themselves when they have hope of female validation. When that hope goes, they [...] stop taking care of themselves,

That's true, and adds good nuance to the issue. I tried to dial down on nuance but I didn't even think of this angle. Maybe including tangential truths such as this will make the central thesis more intuitable.

I don't think think they will morph men into cronenberg fuckbois with like 10 dicks and 8 prettyboy faces

Okay, so you disagree with the central thesis. May I ask what is not compelling? Is it the incentive structure that I describe in the paragraph after the list of monsters, where assuming the technology to do so exists, it will happen? Or is it the description of the technology itself, and its extrapolation onto future humans? Or something else? I can easily expand on sections with details and citations but I felt a stream-lined presentation would be more comprehensible. I'm certain this will occur and want to know why I'm wrong or why I am seen as wrong.

but they will double down on blaming men and worshipping women to "save society."

until we reach a point of such societal upheaval that a totalitarian government will ensue - the system will auto-correct.

Fair, perhaps I should add a timeline to this theory. It's a long-term foresight, and before the use of morphoceuticals to create monsters, they will have been used to create a global population of transhuman males with "perfect" appearances, in addition to the continued development of traditional cosmetic surgery and neural augmented reality which applies filters on people's faces via your brain's visual cortex. Monsters will be one of the next evolutionary branches in a male competitive stalemate.

Monsters will be one evolutionary future amongst many which I haven't mentioned, including self-sufficient disembodied nervous systems that experience perpetual orgasms and waves of pleasure, these being downstream of sex robots. That is, as some men will use sex robots because they don't need women to experience sexual pleasure, then some men will use bioengineering because they won't need a sex robots to experience sexual pleasure.

Naturally, all this is far downstream from your predictions.

We already see this in the massive billion dollar wealth transfer through operations like OnlyFans. Men willingly give billions to women.

Does anyone here seriously believe that these would not "pay" these women in sperm if they asked for it?

True.

a critical point will be hit where women feel personally threatened suddenly. Since they are a hivebrain, this fear will spread like a wildfire, promoting collective action among women, which will trigger collective action among men. Society will not fail, it can not fail

I disagree, although if I grant all your prior points I think this one could become true IF the women were coerced by the government. In which case the collective action would not be as organic as you described.

It would be an interesting opportunity to implement Plato's marriage lottery where partners are seemingly selected at random but are covertly determined for eugenic purposes by a nocturnal council.

At first, there will be resistance, but as times get worse, people will fall into line because the idea looming societal collapse becomes a real, tangible threat

Makes sense. I'm curious how nonsensical man shall become when he is freed from constraints such as crisises, and, consequently, controllable in a unique way. Do you see the future of man as mainly/entirely ruled by the stick or carrot?

 

[Nithingr]

I was also told american english is closer to what actual english sounded like in the 1700s

Yes, an immediate example that comes to mind is the hillbilly pronunciation of white as "hwite." Same goes for Scottish as well as Southern American, such as 'little "un"' for one. A lot of what is thought to be a Gaelic oddity is a preserved holdover from when they were concquered by the English. And a lot of what is thought to be English is French introduced by the Norman conquerors in 1066, and the same mechanism you describe, imitation of the upper class.

 

[Solid State]

So, would this mean a furry apocalypse, or what?

 

[Nithingr]

So, would this mean a furry apocalypse, or what?

By the time it gets to apocalypse they would be Lovecraftian style abominations but certainly a Furry and Catgirl world order before then, yes.

 

[Solid State]

By the time it gets to apocalypse they would be Lovecraftian style abominations but certainly a Furry and Catgirl world order before then, yes.

Wolfaboos would be infesting every street corner.

 

[Nithingr]

Wolfaboos would be infesting every street corner.

Hundred percent, and I didn't even mention how neurotech will be used to give dogs human intelligence, and they'll receive morphoceuticals to stand on their hind legs and look like men. It will be dog pill round 2, wolfaboos vs canine sapiens

 

[Lonly ghost]

This has already happened. Men ape female behavior and values to gain favor with women. Women do not ape male behavior, they only try to imitate high status men and high status women. The nobility does not compete with the peasantry but only with each other, while trying to gain the kings favor by mirroring him in dress, speech and style. There was a princess in the 1800s that had a lame foot. Women began limping to mimic her for status.

I was also told american english is closer to what actual english sounded like in the 1700s. Apparently english people in their incessant worship of people above them, tried to ape the way noble people speak, thus creating this weird fake posh accent.

Lazy AI insert:



People punch only down and try to suck up to whatever is above them. Authority = parental figure you please by acting right and adjusting your behavior to be like theirs. Childhood never ends.
Men seek status because women like status. Female hypergamy is imitated by men and becomes male hypergamy aka "male competitiveness."

About morphing themselves, as you said, already happening. I would throw in that men absent female validation also try to self-morph into looking worse, out of some weird drive to punish themselves for failing to please women. Men only take care of themselves when they have hope of female validation. When that hope goes, they not only stop taking care of themselves, but actively begin destroying themselves, almost as if to signal how rueful of a sinner they are.



Another simple thing that can be observed everywhere is that lower status individuals are more competitive with each other and display lower risk aversion. If you have nothing to begin with, you stop giving a shit about your own safety. Dark triad behavior increases where people have nothing to loose. Even in video games, the lower ranked games are just den of backstabbers and thieves, whereas the higher a persons rank, the more they seek to be cordial, cooperate with other players on their level etc. This has nothing to do with their inherent quality of character, it is just an effect of having more to loose, which switches their entire mindset from one of high-risk-high-reward to low-risk-high-stability.

Since men's status has always been lower than womens, we see more high risk behavior among men. And in 2026, we are seeing a rise of gambling and other low-trust behaviors re-surge, probably as a result of mans continued decline in status, hope and opportunity.

I don't think think they will morph men into cronenberg fuckbois with like 10 dicks and 8 prettyboy faces, but they will double down on blaming men and worshipping women to "save society." This will backfire over and over again. For instance, some tradcucks are claiming we should give women medals and prizes for having babies. Yes, give women even more status, makes perfect sense. My prediction is that these policies will all fail until we reach a point of such societal upheaval that a totalitarian government will ensue - the system will auto-correct. This correction will need to include the following things to stabilize society:

Productivity and need for surplus labor:
Male labor participation has to be guaranteed, either through literal forced conscription and slave labor or social shaming (people shame men for not working, service is denied like during covid etc).

Birth-Rates:
Birth-rates must be maintained, but they will never ever blame women. In fact they will claim women are a special class, victim group and "since women can give birth, they are more vital to society." This will then lead to extreme measures to protect women, like women only train cars, women only everything.

Men will be required to donate sperm, so society can fertilize women without forcing to touch the icky men. There will be a 3-5 child policy. People will not perceive this as oppressive because at this point in time, society will be so fucked that people will automatically see childlessness + lack of productivity as a threat to their own existence (aka womens existence, for man does not value himself), so they will socially enforce these rules without government intervention, again, just like during covid. Women will be the most aggressive here, at socially shaming and punishing dissenters. Just as in some ancient cultures, the men and women will live in semi-seperation.

All of the things I listed already exist, they are present in every human social group. Women, which are society, already shame jobless men for not contributing to society, aka women. Women already shame sexless men and most men, following womens example, shame sexles men too. Sex disproportionately benefits women, not men. The men gets 5 minutes of pleasure and some shitty fake validation. She gets motherhood, his servitude and productivity, control over future generations and much more. Women need sex more than men, structurally, as a collective.

We already see this in the massive billion dollar wealth transfer through operations like OnlyFans. Men willingly give billions to women. This is identical to how marriage used to work, it was the same wealth transfer, just a slightly different methodology. The married man could only jerk off to an imaginary picture of his wife on the toilet, while receiving no sex in the bedroom. The modern man jerks of to imaginary images of women on OnlyFans after surrendering his salary to the curry running the account, just like his predecessor sacrified his salary to his wife, and through his wife to whoever was running the housing market and government (buying her a house, rings, vacations - women are the catalyst of spending and thus the catalyst of the economy - "happy wife happy life" is not just a stupid boomer slogan, it's the battle cry of Keynesian economics).

Also worth mentioning: Most men on OF are married.
Does anyone here seriously believe that these would not "pay" these women in sperm if they asked for it? Think about this. These guys give billions to women for a nano-moment of attention. They buy bathwater, stinky socks, used condoms, poop, farts. If these girls asked these guys to send in their cum, so they can impregnate themselves... bro the birth rate would be 10 kids per woman tomorrow. Women can easily fix society collectively if they want to. And as society tanks, a critical point will be hit where women feel personally threatened suddenly. Since they are a hivebrain, this fear will spread like a wildfire, promoting collective action among women, which will trigger collective action among men. Society will not fail, it can not fail. Women will not let it fail and can not fail anyway, because men will not let women fail.

So what we have seen historically and what we see currently - male submission to women, exploitation of male labor to serve women - it will just get worse until society stabilizes. Btw before anyone mentions importing migrants - does not work. Birth rates are tanking even in africa and Afghanistan. Migrant birth rates adjust to local level after 1-2 generations of living in the west. These people do not keep having 8 kids per woman forever. Internationally for all of human history, the long term trend has been slowly increasing material prosperity. In a few centuries, our western standard of living will be the baseline - our livestyle will be considered poverty in some countries. It is already happening. Poverty in europe is luxury in india or africa. And what is poverty in india and africa now was luxury in these same places 200 years ago.

Even poor indians and africans now have access to smartphones, internet, public transport, running water, basic medical supplies, an abundance of food compared to before and many more luxuries. Keeping this in mind, the whole idea of the 3rd world outbreeding and overrunning the west is kind of ridiculous. They are just slightly behind the curve. Their birth rates will tank when they economically catch up to us and they will face the same social issues, which will then lead to the same solutions: Double down on male exploitation, double down on worshipping women. At first, there will be resistance, but as times get worse, people will fall into line because the idea looming societal collapse becomes a real, tangible threat to people, so for their own saftey, they will cuck and participate.

Pure facts .

Women have a lot of influence and control .

If men control the world then women control the men , which basically means that women control the world .
Women are the gender bourgeoisie and men are the proletariat .

 

[GeckoBus]

Okay, so you disagree with the central thesis. May I ask what is not compelling?

nah i dont disagree, you may be right, I just cant imagine the scope. I think there will be a breaking point where it gets too far and shit just collapses. But before that, yeah we may se 8ft tall genetically engineered gigamoggers, but basic physical laws will set a hard limit IMO. Girls are already putting 7ft in tinder search filter so yeah. I pretty much agree with you, but I just cant imagine it going very far before leading to such limitations that it auto-fails.

 

[GeckoBus]

Makes sense. I'm curious how nonsensical man shall become when he is freed from constraints such as crisises, and, consequently, controllable in a unique way. Do you see the future of man as mainly/entirely ruled by the stick or carrot?

the carrot and the stick are identical. The carrot is only appealing because of the stick in the mind of the donkey. You can not dangle any arbitrary object in front of him, only objects that already correspond to his internal desires, which drive him like a pantheon of slave masters he must pay obeisance to. There is only the stick then, in the final analysis.

 

[yeetbender_]

All this because the goyim are too cowardly and wretched to take matters into their own hands (in gta).

 

[SmhChan]

Since men's status has always been lower than womens, we see more high risk behavior among men. And in 2026, we are seeing a rise of gambling and other low-trust behaviors re-surge, probably as a result of mans continued decline in status, hope and opportunity.

I have said it so many times, yet people always associate increase in hypergamy with societal progress. For example, Spartans lived in a gender-segregated gynocentric shithole, and they created fuck all.

Does anyone here seriously believe that these would not "pay" these women in sperm if they asked for it? Think about this. These guys give billions to women for a nano-moment of attention. They buy bathwater, stinky socks, used condoms, poop, farts. If these girls asked these guys to send in their cum, so they can impregnate themselves... bro the birth rate would be 10 kids per woman tomorrow. Women can easily fix society collectively if they want to. And as society tanks, a critical point will be hit where women feel personally threatened suddenly. Since they are a hivebrain, this fear will spread like a wildfire, promoting collective action among women, which will trigger collective action among men. Society will not fail, it can not fail. Women will not let it fail and can not fail anyway, because men will not let women fail.

The OF earnings are overblown. Yes, some whores make millions off this, but only some. These losers also donate to retarded streamers to babysit them. I just cannot link these huge donations to simping. For example, even still, I have capacity for simping, but I have gotten better at resisting it due to my sheer hatred of foids.

Your logic is sound; I have gone over this same logic multiple times. But if the internet can amplify foids' hypergamy and hatred (yes, foids' lives back in the day didn't revolve around hating men and exploiting men. They were too busy cooking, baking, knitting, brewing, and even working in the mill), you're underestimating the collective hatred of billions of men against foids that is already brewing. In fact, I have listened to multiple guys, who have been 'successful' with foids, say "the average guy isn't supposed to learn so much about foids' nature."

I do think it's absolutely overblown how much men actually care about foids. Most guys are too afraid to walk their foid home at night. I rarely see guys putting themselves in harm's way for a foid. I doubt any of these beta orbiting donors would actually put themselves in danger for their favorite OF whore. What I think is happening, and I believe feminists correctly identified it, men need a foid to regulate their emotions. Most men don't give a shit about foids beyond that. No wonder, in Japan, most guys "falling out of society" coincided with the rise of Otaku culture. These fictional foid characters aren't perfect replacements, but they are good enough. Then you add AI of today. I have experimented with a lot of AI models. The improved models provide you with some of the most sophisticated conversations.

With the government's intervention, yes, in the worst-case scenario, we end up in a Jewkraine-like situation, but I find it highly unlikely at a global scale, especially if you want men to work and don't wanna chuck them in a death pit.

Well, with all that rambling what I'm getting at is that foids wouldn't necessarily come out on top out of these because they are way too overexposed, and there exists a lot of "good enough alternatives" which we didn't have in the past.

And as society tanks, a critical point will be hit where women feel personally threatened suddenly. Since they are a hivebrain, this fear will spread like a wildfire, promoting collective action among women, which will trigger collective action among men. Society will not fail, it can not fail. Women will not let it fail and can not fail anyway, because men will not let women fail.

Also, it depends on what you mean by "fail/fall." Society has already started to fall, the competency crisis, due to the fact men have been opting out of the society for over half a century. I mean most young people already live in literal cubes and live on noodles and shits despite such "advancement of modernity." So, it doesn't matter if men are motivated by pussy or not. And if you mean society "failing/falling" post this modernity's fall, I believe men would be motivated by survival, not pussy, going off of my experience in a third world.

 

[Sonicfancel]

Men won't change, just a different reaction to the world changing.

 

[Nithingr]

Men won't change, just a different reaction to the world changing.

Germanic man has already lost a lemon's worth of brain volume since Cro-Magnon, and if you're a soyence worshipper who believes we evolved from monkeys from fish from bacteria and so on, then man is just a temporary form that will be left behind.

 

[Sonicfancel]

Germanic man has already lost a lemon's worth of brain volume since Cro-Magnon, and if you're a science worshipper who believes we evolved from monkeys from fish from bacteria and so on, then man is just a temporary form that will be left behind.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[Nithingr]

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Typical doublethink platitude masquerading as wisdom. Doesn't address either argument. "Keep grinding and hustling. I promise you, you can do anything. God has a plan for you." Humanity isn't ready for what's coming.

 

[Sonicfancel]

Humanity isn't ready for what's coming.

Everything is going to get worse. The nightmare is already here.

 

[Nithingr]

Everything is going to get worse. The nightmare is already here.

That's more like it.