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Discussion Male “Biological Clock” Infertility is a Hoax to Scare Young Women from Dating Older Men

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Male “Biological Clock” Infertility is a Hoax to Scare Young Women from Dating Older Men​

Andrew Anglin October 23, 2023



The Guardian has published some more forced-memed bullshit.
They’re claiming that older men shouldn’t have kids, based on some study that doesn’t mention the age of the women. The only possible real study would control for the age of the women, as well as every other factor: more or less identical teenage girls and men of various ages but of a similar level of physical fitness. The men also all would have had to have not worked in chemical plants or otherwise been exposed to industrial chemicals, not taken steroids, etc. There are a lot of things that a lot of older men have been through that could change sperm quality that do not amount to “it’s the age.”
Of course, that is all too much to say, given that they are literally not controlling for the age of the woman, and given that in Western, feminist society, virtually all marriages are within a pretty tight age bracket, and the women are almost certainly older with the older men.
For those who don’t know: traditional wisdom says that (all things being equal) male sperm quality doesn’t change at all, and the only male barrier to fatherhood is the ability to maintain an erection.
Alison Motluk writes for The Guardian:
When we think of the effects of age on baby-making, we tend to focus on women. That withering supply of eggs. Those chromosomal problems. Infertility. But men are affected by age too. There is now a substantial – and growing – body of evidence that suggests delaying fatherhood may carry its own consequences. These are seldom talked about – how often, for example, are men told to “pay more attention” to their biological clocks?
Because they work, you stupid bitch.
Nor, generally, are fertility services discouraged for older men wanting to be fathers in the way some countries do for older women who want to be mothers. In England and Wales, for example, the National Institute for Clinical Excellence recommends that the NHS does not offer IVF to women over 42, but no mention is made of paternal age in its guidance. Nor is there an agreed definition of “old” when it comes to fathers.
Yet we know that some time about the age of 40, men’s sperm start to get slower. Conception gets harder. And children born to older fathers face higher rates of conditions such as autism, schizophrenia and leukaemia.
Show your work, you dumb hoe.
How do we know that? Where is the controlled study or controlled research analysis?
Afghanistan exists – it’s a place where 14-year-old girls from the same village are getting pregnant by men who are 17 and 77. The data is waiting for you to go retrieve it. The Afghans would participate in 30-year studies if you paid them like, $11.



Trillions of dollars are spent on medical research, particularly now on genetic research, but no one wants to collect that data, let alone do the study?
But you want to publish articles making claims of positive knowledge?
In many countries, men are becoming fathers at older ages. In America, for example, in 1980 about 43 in 1,000 babies were born to men aged between 35-49; by 2015 this had jumped to about 69 in 1,000 babies.
See!
She doesn’t mention the women’s age!
There is no study! No research data!
Age affects the sperm itself. A large systematic review published in 2015, looking at 90 separate studies involving 93,839 subjects, found that a man’s age negatively affected measures of sperm quality – the way sperm looked, how well they moved, and how many were damaged.
Not controlled, low sperm mobility does not equal genetic damage.
I guess I didn’t explain that above: all the sperm does is deposit genetic material, and this means it’s effectively just a line of code. The sperm, once delivered, would need to be delivering damaged genetic material. Everything else is on the woman.
So the basic question is: does the genetic quality of sperm somehow degrade with age? Various types of chemical exposure do cause genetic damage. That’s more or less what a cancer is: the genes start mutating and writing bad code into cells. (Please, if you’re a doctor or scientist, don’t akshually me – you know that the concept I just communicated is basically correct, if over-simplified. This isn’t a medical journal, we’re doing big ideas.)
The physical attributes of the sperm can be important when it comes to conceiving a child. Research suggests conception rates for older men are lower than for younger men. In a study of 2,112 UK couples, men over 45 were nearly five times more likely to take more than a year to conceive compared with men aged under 25, and this held true even when the female partner was young.
Okay, so that time we have the age of the female. (These are all separate studies she is citing, and I’ve seen the data before, because they’ve tried to push this “old sperm” meme in various media before.)
If they have the conception rate with control for female age, why don’t they have anything else controlled for female age?
Time to conception is not relevant to the question of the genetic fidelity of the fetus. You follow? Sperm count and mobility does decline with age. And again, in this case, there is no control on chemical exposure, drug use, etc. I don’t know that I believe this “five times more likely to take more than a year” data at all, for the simple reason that none of this is especially serious. But it proves nothing anyway, while being far and above the single most valid/viable data point.
You get the idea. The article is long and contains more references that don’t really mean anything. It’s a narrative, which is anti-male, anti-natal, and anti-family.
How about: show the divorce data on age gap and male income level? That’s probably more concerning to the people than some voodoo manipulated sperm data.
At this point, if you were actually concerned about this sperm quality issue, you’d have to go to anecdotal evidence. Look at examples of men with old or even elderly fathers.
As stated: the frustrating part is that an actual study could be done in Afghanistan, where there are still men in their sixties and seventies marrying teenage girls. The war is over, and you could do a research study. Young men are also having kids in the country. Give the kids various genetic tests.
I am legit non-ideological in my conviction that the erection is the metric. I don’t believe in viagra, and in fact find it bizarre and disgusting. The idea of having a sex drive without an erection is nonsensical, so it’s like: what are you trying to do here exactly, big guy?
I guess if the answer was “I’m trying to get this woman pregnant,” I would pause, but obviously most viagra usage is some pitiful obese boomer attempting to “return to the 1960s.”
Further, you can read stories about men in their 80s having kids without viagra.

Elvis Dunderhoff contributed to this article.
 
40+ year old males' sperm cures cancer.
 
Lol this is fucking hilarious. I had researched this as well before and was under the impression that male age did actually matter but the fact that none of these studies accounted for the age of the mother is a silver bullet
 
Lol this is fucking hilarious. I had researched this as well before and was under the impression that male age did actually matter but the fact that none of these studies accounted for the age of the mother is a silver bullet
I think age of the father in creating a healthy child matters but not to the same extent that age of the mother does.
 
Unless you are 50 and above you can have kids with no issue.
 
Like men have any choice in becoming a Father kek
 
Lol this is fucking hilarious. I had researched this as well before and was under the impression that male age did actually matter but the fact that none of these studies accounted for the age of the mother is a silver bullet
Western Academia is becoming a joke. A foid won the Nobel Prize in Economics for "the gender pay gap."

 
Males can have children at any age but there's no guarantee that they'll turn out good.
 
If I had money, i'd have IVF kids with surrogates and eggs bought from Stacies.

I'd pay for extensive genetic screening to prevent my worst genes from getting passed on.
 
If this propoganda was true then more then half of the world won't exsist.

Prior to the craziness of the 20th century, it was pretty commong for young w0men to be married off to older man, hack its coming back since most boomers and gen x have money, most w0men prefer to be with them, then with us.

This is a lifefuol for us, that maybe in old age we will get a young w0men, but I doubt it. Most of the forum here will most like rope, or do anothER hERoic action.
 
There were two people alive as of 2014 that were children of civil war veterans
 
Modern so-called science and studies are subservient to the agendas of the elites, feminism being obviously one of the main ones. Anyone who blindly trusts those is very naive, not to say dumb.

I read like 4 studies who allegedly prove sexual contacts between adults and minors cause trauma, for example, and I attest 100% that none of them are valid. It's impossible to actually do a satisfactory study about something as tabboo as that, it's all based around cherrypicked crimes and/or the infamous Kinsey report (which was basically toddler boys getting raped by grown homosexuals), all of which involve and ton of other factors which are not accounted for, and the correlation they find is still low even after all that.
 
Lol this is fucking hilarious. I had researched this as well before and was under the impression that male age did actually matter but the fact that none of these studies accounted for the age of the mother is a silver bullet
Beat me to it, well said mate :feelsokman:
 
In the Philippines there are many 60+ or even 70+ sexpats that father children with young gooks.
The propaganda pieces have even led many men to believe that at that age they cannot have a baby anymore and as a consequence they don't use protection and get fucked.
Men don't loose their power to breed, even when 80 years old, and this pisses of foids which are already expired by the age of 40.
 
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