Looks aren't Everything. They're Just the Prerequisite

[ItheIthe]

There are many Incels who think that getting surgery will cure everything. But unless that surgery makes them a male model level, they will still have to have charisma and confidence. This isn't bluepill at all.

I know some Chadlites that are virgin because they are extremely awkward. For example, one was homseschooled and he therefore doesn't know how to interact with females. 

Unless, you are a 9/10+, looks are just THE PREREQUISITE. Non 9+/10s need to be good looking JUST TO BE CONSIDERED as a partner. After that they are still expected to be extremely charming, interesting, successful, etc. Sure, they may be able to get sex with alcohol. But in terms of LTR, they will be abandoned.

 

[Zyros]

from 7/10 onwards personality starts to become co pletely irrelevant.

 

[KV-]

Cope lol. Anyone 4+ with good status/charisma can get laid. Problem is it’s harder to get good status and charisma because of Halo effect.

 

[Zielony4]

No. Personality means nothing at all.

 

[CopingGymcel]

from 7/10 onwards personality starts to become co pletely irrelevant.

That is true, but most people will never reach 7+ status with surgery. They would probably have to already be a 6.5/10 or have everything perfect but their jawline.

 

[universallyabhorred]

from 7/10 onwards personality starts to become co pletely irrelevant.

More repetitive bullshit we have all of your old posts already we no longer require your services, we truecels are vastly superior at spreading the blackpill than some dumb chad like you, time to GTFO.

 

[CopingGymcel]

More repetitive bullshit we have all of your old posts already we no longer require your services, we truecels are vastly superior at spreading the blackpill than some dumb chad like you, time to GTFO.

You're breaking the targeted attack rule.

 

[Wizard]

First attempt at lookism threshold theory :

There is a point where you are ugly enough that being around you is unpleasant
There is a point where you are too ugly to be given the benefit of the doubt, everything you say will be considered and perceived negatively
There is a point where you are unattractive enough that being around you is uncomfortable
There is a point where you nearly look neutral so your body language/clothes/social status will be used to determine if they're uncomfortable
This is the lookism threshold where you do not set off any "uncomfortable"/"dissonance" feelings with your external appearance and people will start listening to the words you say and start processing them as meaningful social interaction
Passing this lookism threshold allows you to demonstrate some other form of value ( Personality, Wealth, jokes, intellectual discussion )
There is a point where you look neutral and your "personality"/"Social interaction" will be considered with an open mind
There is a point where you become attractive enough that being around you is pleasant
There is a point where people will want to explore you for value because you make them feel pleasant, they will investigate your personality
There is a point where you become attractive enough that everything you say will be considered with a positive interpretation
There is a point where you're attractive enough that being around you bring about joy in others and they will doubt any negative interactions with you.

If your valued contribution ( wealth, intellectual discussion ) is above average it can break through a slight feeling of uncomfortableness at your looks, but only with diminishing returns as there's downward pressure on your valuable contributions because they're filtered through your looks. If you can forcefully display that value, or a situation forces someone to see you display that value, then you can sway the calculus a little; but you always risk being in a dehumanized situation where you are ugly&tolerated&disposable but you can provide a quantified value.

People concede the threshold exists, they just claim the threshold is being showered, not having messy hair, and wearing nice clothes, "not resenting women". That is the threshold where you'll be considered neutral and human, we just believe that attractiveness is the threshold and those things are only relevant as constituents of attractiveness or as excuses to why they feel uncomfortable.

The lookism threshold is hard to pinpoint, "looking neutral" depends on context and expectations.

 

[CopingGymcel]

First attempt at lookism threshold theory :

There is a point where you are ugly enough that being around you is unpleasant
There is a point where you are too ugly to be given the benefit of the doubt, everything you say will be considered and perceived negatively
There is a point where you are unattractive enough that being around you is uncomfortable
There is a point where you nearly look neutral so your body language/clothes/social status will be used to determine if they're uncomfortable
This is the lookism threshold where you do not set off any "uncomfortable"/"dissonance" feelings with your external appearance and people will start listening to the words you say and start processing them as meaningful social interaction
Passing this lookism threshold allows you to demonstrate some other form of value ( Personality, Wealth, jokes, intellectual discussion )
There is a point where you look neutral and your "personality"/"Social interaction" will be considered with an open mind
There is a point where you become attractive enough that being around you is pleasant
There is a point where people will want to explore you for value because you make them feel pleasant, they will investigate your personality
There is a point where you become attractive enough that everything you say will be considered with a positive interpretation
There is a point where you're attractive enough that being around you bring about joy in others and they will doubt any negative interactions with you.

If your valued contribution ( wealth, intellectual discussion ) is above average it can break through a slight feeling of uncomfortableness at your looks, but only with diminishing returns as there's downward pressure on your valuable contributions because they're filtered through your looks. If you can forcefully display that value, or a situation forces someone to see you display that value, then you can sway the calculus a little; but you always risk being in a dehumanized situation where you are ugly&tolerated&disposable but you can provide a quantified value.

People concede the threshold exists, they just claim the threshold is being showered, not having messy hair, and wearing nice clothes, "not resenting women". That is the threshold where you'll be considered neutral and human, we just believe that attractiveness is the threshold and those things are only relevant as constituents of attractiveness or as excuses to why they feel uncomfortable.

The lookism threshold is hard to pinpoint, "looking neutral" depends on context and expectations.

The list needs to be a bit more specific (how ugly) with a few examples, but other than that it looks good.

 

[RREEEEEEEEE]

First attempt at lookism threshold theory :

There is a point where you are ugly enough that being around you is unpleasant
There is a point where you are too ugly to be given the benefit of the doubt, everything you say will be considered and perceived negatively
There is a point where you are unattractive enough that being around you is uncomfortable
There is a point where you nearly look neutral so your body language/clothes/social status will be used to determine if they're uncomfortable
This is the lookism threshold where you do not set off any "uncomfortable"/"dissonance" feelings with your external appearance and people will start listening to the words you say and start processing them as meaningful social interaction
Passing this lookism threshold allows you to demonstrate some other form of value ( Personality, Wealth, jokes, intellectual discussion )
There is a point where you look neutral and your "personality"/"Social interaction" will be considered with an open mind
There is a point where you become attractive enough that being around you is pleasant
There is a point where people will want to explore you for value because you make them feel pleasant, they will investigate your personality
There is a point where you become attractive enough that everything you say will be considered with a positive interpretation
There is a point where you're attractive enough that being around you bring about joy in others and they will doubt any negative interactions with you.

If your valued contribution ( wealth, intellectual discussion ) is above average it can break through a slight feeling of uncomfortableness at your looks, but only with diminishing returns as there's downward pressure on your valuable contributions because they're filtered through your looks. If you can forcefully display that value, or a situation forces someone to see you display that value, then you can sway the calculus a little; but you always risk being in a dehumanized situation where you are ugly&tolerated&disposable but you can provide a quantified value.

People concede the threshold exists, they just claim the threshold is being showered, not having messy hair, and wearing nice clothes, "not resenting women". That is the threshold where you'll be considered neutral and human, we just believe that attractiveness is the threshold and those things are only relevant as constituents of attractiveness or as excuses to why they feel uncomfortable.

The lookism threshold is hard to pinpoint, "looking neutral" depends on context and expectations.

Good post. Sad to say the first three points are completely relevant in my case..

 

[Zyros]

First attempt at lookism threshold theory :
There is a point where you are ugly enough that being around you is unpleasant
There is a point where you are too ugly to be given the benefit of the doubt, everything you say will be considered and perceived negatively
There is a point where you are unattractive enough that being around you is uncomfortable
There is a point where you nearly look neutral so your body language/clothes/social status will be used to determine if they're uncomfortable
This is the lookism threshold where you do not set off any "uncomfortable"/"dissonance" feelings with your external appearance and people will start listening to the words you say and start processing them as meaningful social interaction
Passing this lookism threshold allows you to demonstrate some other form of value ( Personality, Wealth, jokes, intellectual discussion )
There is a point where you look neutral and your "personality"/"Social interaction" will be considered with an open mind
There is a point where you become attractive enough that being around you is pleasant
There is a point where people will want to explore you for value because you make them feel pleasant, they will investigate your personality
There is a point where you become attractive enough that everything you say will be considered with a positive interpretation
There is a point where you're attractive enough that being around you bring about joy in others and they will doubt any negative interactions with you.
If your valued contribution ( wealth, intellectual discussion ) is above average it can break through a slight feeling of uncomfortableness at your looks, but only with diminishing returns as there's downward pressure on your valuable contributions because they're filtered through your looks. If you can forcefully display that value, or a situation forces someone to see you display that value, then you can sway the calculus a little; but you always risk being in a dehumanized situation where you are ugly&tolerated&disposable but you can provide a quantified value.
People concede the threshold exists, they just claim the threshold is being showered, not having messy hair, and wearing nice clothes, "not resenting women". That is the threshold where you'll be considered neutral and human, we just believe that attractiveness is the threshold and those things are only relevant as constituents of attractiveness or as excuses to why they feel uncomfortable.
The lookism threshold is hard to pinpoint, "looking neutral" depends on context and expectations.

First attempt at lookism threshold theory :
There is a point where you are ugly enough that being around you is unpleasant
There is a point where you are too ugly to be given the benefit of the doubt, everything you say will be considered and perceived negatively
There is a point where you are unattractive enough that being around you is uncomfortable
There is a point where you nearly look neutral so your body language/clothes/social status will be used to determine if they're uncomfortable
This is the lookism threshold where you do not set off any "uncomfortable"/"dissonance" feelings with your external appearance and people will start listening to the words you say and start processing them as meaningful social interaction
Passing this lookism threshold allows you to demonstrate some other form of value ( Personality, Wealth, jokes, intellectual discussion )
There is a point where you look neutral and your "personality"/"Social interaction" will be considered with an open mind
There is a point where you become attractive enough that being around you is pleasant
There is a point where people will want to explore you for value because you make them feel pleasant, they will investigate your personality
There is a point where you become attractive enough that everything you say will be considered with a positive interpretation
There is a point where you're attractive enough that being around you bring about joy in others and they will doubt any negative interactions with you.
If your valued contribution ( wealth, intellectual discussion ) is above average it can break through a slight feeling of uncomfortableness at your looks, but only with diminishing returns as there's downward pressure on your valuable contributions because they're filtered through your looks. If you can forcefully display that value, or a situation forces someone to see you display that value, then you can sway the calculus a little; but you always risk being in a dehumanized situation where you are ugly&tolerated&disposable but you can provide a quantified value.
People concede the threshold exists, they just claim the threshold is being showered, not having messy hair, and wearing nice clothes, "not resenting women". That is the threshold where you'll be considered neutral and human, we just believe that attractiveness is the threshold and those things are only relevant as constituents of attractiveness or as excuses to why they feel uncomfortable.
The lookism threshold is hard to pinpoint, "looking neutral" depends on context and expectations.

The list needs to be a bit more specific (how ugly) with a few examples, but other than that it looks good.

great list.

Some graphic similar blackpill I made.

 

[CopingGymcel]

great list.

Some graphic similar blackpill I made.

That's exactly what I had in mind. Well done. And people say you don't contribute, jfl.

Now, if @Wizard could make a similar list for every PSL rating (or ranges), then it would be even more perfect.

 

[KilluminoidBR]

Cope lol. Anyone 4+ with good status/charisma can get laid. Problem is it’s harder to get good status and charisma because of Halo effect.

4/10 is INCEL status.

5/10 is correct.

 

[CopingGymcel]

4/10 is INCEL status.

5/10 is correct.

4 isn't incel if you are hyper-nt and with a huge social circle.

 

[asdf1234]

4 isn't incel if you are hyper-nt and with a huge social circle.

Can agree to this, 4 can compensate with humour or status

 

[NekoStance]

from 7/10 onwards personality starts to become co pletely irrelevant.

retarded thing to say

 

[Zyros]

retarded thing to say

not retarded at all. 7/10 is legit Chad. All negative personality tratis start being viewed as positive, or at least, as quirks at this rating point. You have to literally be retarded or never go out of your house to be incel at 7/10.

 

[NekoStance]

not retarded at all. 7/10 is legit Chad. All negative personality tratis start being viewed as positive, or at least, as quirks at this rating point. You have to literally be retarded or never go out of your house to be incel at 7/10.

Quirks lol yeh. You ever heard of a 'quirky' slayer Chad? Neither have I.

Saying that personality is ever completely irrelevant is retarded, and I'd like to here you retract it.

 

[Wizard]

Some graphic similar blackpill I made.

This one is really great Zyros.

Now, if @Wizard could make a similar list for every PSL rating (or ranges), then it would be even more perfect.

I'm ogre tier so my ratings are completely broken, plus the extent to which women have inflated "thresholds" for men is a part of blackpill I have little experience in. Just thought it was a good generic "you are here" progression list that highlights how you might experience social interaction differently as you focus on looks if you can improve.

 

[Zyros]

Quirks lol yeh. You ever heard of a 'quirky' slayer Chad? Neither have I.

Saying that personality is ever completely irrelevant is retarded, and I'd like to here you retract it.

Yes. Many many many many times. At 6/10 you start to be affected by halo effect already. At 7/10 you are full on under halo effect. 

Shy, quiet and autist?: he is mysterious. 

Arrogant and asshole?: He takes what he wants.

Nerdy/Obscure interests?: He is so deep and interesting.

Literally low functioning autist?: Poor guy he is beautiful lets help him.

Lazy/poor performer at work?: Everyone has bad days. He has potential.

Misogynist?: I feel him, girls are such backstabbers these days.

Racist?: He is just overly patriotic hehe.

Does drugs?: He just wants intense experiences.

Commited crimes?: Everyone deserves a second chance, im sure he had a difficult childhood.



EVERYTHING is compensated. If you look good enough, personality becomes completely irrelevant. If you look bad enough, personality becomes completely irrelevant too because of the opposite reasons. Its only at middle range when you can make a difference trough personality.

 

[CopingGymcel]

Yes. Many many many many times. At 6/10 you start to be affected by halo effect already. At 7/10 you are full on under halo effect. 

Shy, quiet and autist?: he is mysterious. 

Arrogant and asshole?: He takes what he wants.

Nerdy/Obscure interests?: He is so deep and interesting.

Literally low functioning autist?: Poor guy he is beautiful lets help him.

Lazy/poor performer at work?: Everyone has bad days. He has potential.

Misogynist?: I feel him, girls are such backstabbers these days.

Racist?: He is just overly patriotic hehe.

Does drugs?: He just wants intense experiences.

Commited crimes?: Everyone deserves a second chance, im sure he had a difficult childhood.



EVERYTHING is compensated. If you look good enough, personality becomes completely irrelevant. If you look bad enough, personality becomes completely irrelevant too because of the opposite reasons. Its only at middle range when you can make a difference trough personality.

We all make generalizations based on looks (even trucels and raosties who claim otherwise):

- Confident
- Smart
- Mysterious
- Successful
- Good with women
- Pure soul 
- Kind 

- Poor confidence (despite smiling)
- Only computer smart
- Creep
- Lives in his mother's basement
- Virgin
- "Nice guy"

 

[NekoStance]

Yes. Many many many many times. At 6/10 you start to be affected by halo effect already. At 7/10 you are full on under halo effect. 

Shy, quiet and autist?: he is mysterious. 

Arrogant and asshole?: He takes what he wants.

Nerdy/Obscure interests?: He is so deep and interesting.

Literally low functioning autist?: Poor guy he is beautiful lets help him.

Lazy/poor performer at work?: Everyone has bad days. He has potential.

Misogynist?: I feel him, girls are such backstabbers these days.

Racist?: He is just overly patriotic hehe.

Does drugs?: He just wants intense experiences.

Commited crimes?: Everyone deserves a second chance, im sure he had a difficult childhood.



EVERYTHING is compensated. If you look good enough, personality becomes completely irrelevant. If you look bad enough, personality becomes completely irrelevant too because of the opposite reasons. Its only at middle range when you can make a difference trough personality.

no, the shy, quiet, autist guy simply will not be able to slay to the level as the outgoing arrogant type

just like the OP states, looks are the prerequisite
I think it's time you began to learn this

 

[QuantumDummy]

First attempt at lookism threshold theory :

There is a point where you are ugly enough that being around you is unpleasant
There is a point where you are too ugly to be given the benefit of the doubt, everything you say will be considered and perceived negatively
There is a point where you are unattractive enough that being around you is uncomfortable
There is a point where you nearly look neutral so your body language/clothes/social status will be used to determine if they're uncomfortable
This is the lookism threshold where you do not set off any "uncomfortable"/"dissonance" feelings with your external appearance and people will start listening to the words you say and start processing them as meaningful social interaction
Passing this lookism threshold allows you to demonstrate some other form of value ( Personality, Wealth, jokes, intellectual discussion )
There is a point where you look neutral and your "personality"/"Social interaction" will be considered with an open mind
There is a point where you become attractive enough that being around you is pleasant
There is a point where people will want to explore you for value because you make them feel pleasant, they will investigate your personality
There is a point where you become attractive enough that everything you say will be considered with a positive interpretation
There is a point where you're attractive enough that being around you bring about joy in others and they will doubt any negative interactions with you.

If your valued contribution ( wealth, intellectual discussion ) is above average it can break through a slight feeling of uncomfortableness at your looks, but only with diminishing returns as there's downward pressure on your valuable contributions because they're filtered through your looks. If you can forcefully display that value, or a situation forces someone to see you display that value, then you can sway the calculus a little; but you always risk being in a dehumanized situation where you are ugly&tolerated&disposable but you can provide a quantified value.

People concede the threshold exists, they just claim the threshold is being showered, not having messy hair, and wearing nice clothes, "not resenting women". That is the threshold where you'll be considered neutral and human, we just believe that attractiveness is the threshold and those things are only relevant as constituents of attractiveness or as excuses to why they feel uncomfortable.

The lookism threshold is hard to pinpoint, "looking neutral" depends on context and expectations.

My lord, you're breaking down the very fabric of human interaction and the psyche of people as a whole.. Slow clap

One question I have is why are there people like me that don't follow these guidelines and treat everyone pretty much the same?

 

[Grotesque]

One question I have is why are there people like me that don't follow these guidelines and treat everyone pretty much the same?

You haven't fully accepted the black pill. You're still thinking how just-world normalfags do.

Once you do accept it, your worldview drastically changes. You'll notice all the slights that the ugly receive, and normalfags are completely unaware of. Like you, who currently thinks you treat everyone the same.

You don't. That is not how the human mind works. We are programmed to find the most healthy mate to create the most healthy children we can.

 

[Solitarian_Walker]

The so-called "charisma" and "confidence" are by-products of looks.

 

[PM_ME_STRIPPERS]

nope, no way, i mean sure if you got plastic surgery and u went from a 2/10 to 6/10 u might have to work on "yourself" a little bit more, but if your plastic surgery turned you into chad or at least a 7/10 you dont have to work on anything because your looks will start saving you from anything you do. Being misogynistic? Pass cause good looking Shit "personality"? pass, cause good looking.

 

[KV-]

First attempt at lookism threshold theory :

There is a point where you are ugly enough that being around you is unpleasant
There is a point where you are too ugly to be given the benefit of the doubt, everything you say will be considered and perceived negatively
There is a point where you are unattractive enough that being around you is uncomfortable
There is a point where you nearly look neutral so your body language/clothes/social status will be used to determine if they're uncomfortable
This is the lookism threshold where you do not set off any "uncomfortable"/"dissonance" feelings with your external appearance and people will start listening to the words you say and start processing them as meaningful social interaction
Passing this lookism threshold allows you to demonstrate some other form of value ( Personality, Wealth, jokes, intellectual discussion )
There is a point where you look neutral and your "personality"/"Social interaction" will be considered with an open mind
There is a point where you become attractive enough that being around you is pleasant
There is a point where people will want to explore you for value because you make them feel pleasant, they will investigate your personality
There is a point where you become attractive enough that everything you say will be considered with a positive interpretation
There is a point where you're attractive enough that being around you bring about joy in others and they will doubt any negative interactions with you.

If your valued contribution ( wealth, intellectual discussion ) is above average it can break through a slight feeling of uncomfortableness at your looks, but only with diminishing returns as there's downward pressure on your valuable contributions because they're filtered through your looks. If you can forcefully display that value, or a situation forces someone to see you display that value, then you can sway the calculus a little; but you always risk being in a dehumanized situation where you are ugly&tolerated&disposable but you can provide a quantified value.

People concede the threshold exists, they just claim the threshold is being showered, not having messy hair, and wearing nice clothes, "not resenting women". That is the threshold where you'll be considered neutral and human, we just believe that attractiveness is the threshold and those things are only relevant as constituents of attractiveness or as excuses to why they feel uncomfortable.

The lookism threshold is hard to pinpoint, "looking neutral" depends on context and expectations.

Probably one of the best, fairest, and most insightful post I have read in a while

 

[QuantumDummy]

You haven't fully accepted the black pill. You're still thinking how just-world normalfags do.

Once you do accept it, your worldview drastically changes. You'll notice all the slights that the ugly receive, and normalfags are completely unaware of. Like you, who currently thinks you treat everyone the same.

You don't. That is not how the human mind works. We are programmed to find the most healthy mate to create the most healthy children we can.

You're wrong. I'm very aware of myself and the way I treat others, I've been blackpilled since I was like 15 years old. I'm in my head 95% of the day, the other 5% spent mindlessly playing xbox or watching youtube videos.

I do notice people treat me differently. They react less enthusiastically and a lot don't take my words seriously, like they're just waiting for their turn to talk. 

What happens every so often after having to deal with this shit is I wake up one day super manic and treat everyone the same way they've been treating me. I act aggressive and ignore people when they talk and just don't give a fuck, but soon after my pussy weak mind reverts back to being polite and kind to everyone and I can't help it. 

If I had to remain incel forever the least I would want is the ability to be intimidating and whoop everyone's ass. At least then I wouldn't feel like a pussy most of the time and could always act aggressive. It feels better that way because I don't worry about what people think and can act whichever way I please.