Lookism is a twisted reality. Even if I looked like Chad, I wouldn't be happy.

[mentally lost cel 1]

Who the fuck do you think you're trying to fool, if you were tall and attractive you wouldn't be here you would be doing exactly what all tall attractive people do

This

 

[Liptusg]

This

There is what the vast majority of tall and attractive people do, yes. But there are also minor exceptions, like any moderately attractive man who decided to become a priest or a monk and take a vow of celibacy instead or something like that because he doesn't see himself fitting in with society.

I think regardless, judging a lot of the users on this website by the precepts of common behavior is a bad metric. Consider the fact that Blackpillers and self-identifying incels are an extremely tiny fraction of involuntary male virgins, which is why women continue to wield so much power unopposed. I see the same users in almost every thread, there are scarcely few of us, while the overwhelming majority of ugly male virgins out there are Bluepilled cucks who would defend M'lady under any circumstances to show that they are not like those 'crazy misogynists' and take female gaslighting at face value about how they deserve their station for having a horrible personality.

Even among ugly male virgins, the demographic we were born to, Blackpillers already exhibit significant dissent from the popular worldviews and behavioral patterns. There is absolutely no question that if I turned into a Chad, I would instantly differ from a lot of Chads at least in some aspects - even if I did smash girls from Tinder at parties, I would never be like those retarded Chads that jump in to defend women with their life ( literally ) in any physical altercation or sign up to get shot in the army to defend M'wifey back home, nor would I end up like those retarded Chad celebrities that marry/have LTR's with women only to gape in shock when they get cheated on and taken advantage of eventually as soon as a bigger chad comes along.

I'm a blackpiller, I hate women, I don't love them, so relationships and marriage are out of the question, only the sexual urges remain. Now as far as that topic is concerned, I don't want to ramble too much in one post about why exactly it would be very, very difficult for me to initiate any 'flirty' conversation with women, or physical contact for that matter, even if my libido is fighting against me all the way. I elaborated on it in the OP and added that if primal sexual satisfaction was truly the strongest emotion in my mind, then I would've just visited a hooker ages ago. Clearly, self-respect and the instinctive aversion to manipulative women triumphed in that instance.

More poignantly however, a few people spoke of the differences between becoming a Chad as a bona fide Incel blackpiller, and being born as a Chad to begin with. Now, assuming that I am born with the same neurological structure but a different face and body, I can see that as a possibility, since environmental influences did play a role in the formation of my outlook. At the same time, I was actually very withdrawn, less playful, and more melancholic than the other kids even before puberty. I was actually sent to a child psychologist by my school and diagnosed with ASD.

As Chad, that would not prevent me from getting laid, and so I forsee the potential of me doing so at the time for the sake of relieving sexual tension, or using Tinder at some point later on. I am also confident though that I would develop a disdain for female nature in pretty short order and become one of those MGTOW's who aren't virgins but published a lot of blackpill content on Youtube back in the day, or at worst a Redpiller, and that I wouldn't be satisfied with gynocentric society.

 

[mentally lost cel 1]

while the overwhelming majority of ugly male virgins out there are Bluepilled cucks who would defend M'lady under any circumstances to show that they are not like those 'crazy misogynists' and take female gaslighting at face value about how they deserve their station for having a horrible personality.

Agreed

 

[mentally lost cel 1]

Even among ugly male virgins, the demographic we were born to, Blackpillers already exhibit significant dissent from the popular worldviews and behavioral patterns. There is absolutely no question that if I turned into a Chad, I would instantly differ from a lot of Chads at least in some aspects - even if I did smash girls from Tinder at parties, I would never be like those retarded Chads that jump in to defend women with their life ( literally ) in any physical altercation or sign up to get shot in the army to defend M'wifey back home, nor would I end up like those retarded Chad celebrities that marry/have LTR's with women only to gape in shock when they get cheated on and taken advantage of eventually as soon as a bigger chad comes along.

Yep me too I’d be mysterious rebel Chad

 

[mentally lost cel 1]

I'm a blackpiller, I hate women, I don't love them, so relationships and marriage are out of the question, only the sexual urges remain. Now as far as that topic is concerned, I don't want to ramble too much in one post about why exactly it would be very, very difficult for me to initiate any 'flirty' conversation with women, or physical contact for that matter, even if my libido is fighting against me all the way. I elaborated on it in the OP and added that if primal sexual satisfaction was truly the strongest emotion in my mind, then I would've just visited a hooker ages ago. Clearly, self-respect and the instinctive aversion to manipulative women triumphed in that instance.

Yeah same for me,I had money for escorts but just didn’t wanted to spend it on them

 

[mentally lost cel 1]

assuming that I am born with the same neurological structure but a different face and body, I can see that as a possibility, since environmental influences did play a role in the formation of my outlook. At the same time, I was actually very withdrawn, less playful, and more melancholic than the other kids even before puberty.

Same but this was cuz of my family I’m not sure if I’d be the same melancholic Chad If I had a sane family

 

[mentally lost cel 1]

Chad, that would not prevent me from getting laid, and so I forsee the potential of me doing so at the time for the sake of relieving sexual tension, or using Tinder at some point later on. I am also confident though that I would develop a disdain for female nature in pretty short order and become one of those MGTOW's who aren't virgins but published a lot of blackpill content on Youtube back in the day, or at worst a Redpiller, and that I wouldn't be satisfied with gynocentric society.

Yeah same

 

[Robespierre]

Thank you so much for this topic! You have completely reflected my worldview!
I wanted to write a similar thread myself, but didn't have the time.

 

[nowayout]

Who the fuck do you think you're trying to fool, if you were tall and attractive you wouldn't be here

 

[Simulacrasimulation]

This is probably the final and most transcendent form of the Blackpill. It marks the divide between incels who are' incels of circumstance' so to speak, who share very neurotypical thinking patterns but deprived of social inclusion because of their body, from those who are ugly but also principled in their philosophy. Conversely of course it is rare, as those in privilege stand to lose a fair bit from aligning themselves with incels, but we know there are a few Chads bestowed with the right body for femoid adoration, yet either secretly or openly endorse the blackpill and disparage women for their hypergamous and superficial attitudes, including a few celebrities like rappers who talked about it.

The question is, if you are a slave, do you solely yearn to be the master holding the whip, or would you be repulsed by the society that enables it even if you weren't? This entire concept, this outdated and malevolent evolutionary relic of 'physical attractiveness' is a fundamentally unfair and immoral one. Having people's entire reaction be different and often discriminatory toward you for the course of your life, never get to experience what others do, just because of a few errant DNA sequences responsible for shaping your face and body? Women immediately praising and fawning over guys they don't even know just because they won the genetic lottery, people being encouraged to spend countless piles of cash on plastic surgery or other beauty products to fit in and calling it a good thing just because of one, dumb fucking leftover from prehistoric times that feeds neurochemicals from the hindbrain based on certain visual stimuli?

As other incels have said in the past, normies ( Mostly due to media and authority figure brainwashing, without which they are incapable of overcoming their base instincts ) will tell you that judging people for the way they were born is no longer acceptable, except for the most powerful distinction of all which they can't surpass and therefore will keep defending with every gaslighting technique and fallacy in the book. In a truly progressive world, looks should not be mentioned - ever. It's all about that personality, right? So stop commenting on who's hot and who's not. Expecting that from normies and women especially is impossible due to their nature, but if they were to acknowledge it, then there would at least be a way forward to redeem humanity from this obsolete instinct in a highly effective manner. Without getting too much into it, it would involve the manual elimination of hypergamy and the Halo Effect by medically intervening in the hormonal, neurological, and genetic development of both female and neurotypical male infants.

As society currently stands however, I would not really 'ascend' or be pleased even if I transformed into a Chad tomorrow, because I am not just an incel of circumstance but also a neurodivergent male. The thought of having to flirt and positively interact with a woman who would treat me as ugly men are known to be treated were it not for my 'disguise' is incomprehensibly revolting. It's equivalent to becoming a friend of someone who used to bully you for years because he doesn't remember you, or you're rich or successful and he respects you for it. And if it is a relationship, you'll need to stand by her side whenever she's being a bitch to other ugly men for no reason.

I find that intolerable. So intolerable as to take precedent over any sexual urges present. I would be too distraught to keep up the charade and instead start grilling her about her feelings for ugly men and her history with them, which would probably prompt a repudiation and conflict. Reminds me of a line from the trailer for the upcoming Obi-Wan Kenobi series - "The Jedi Code is like an itch, they cannot help it.". I can't help but attack injustice, I wouldn't be able to feign otherwise. I'm much more suited to be a virgin Cardinal or Inquisitor charged with enforcing chastity and purity than a Chad in my fantasies. The problem isn't that I'm unattractive, the problem is hypergamy and lookism.

This is also where I would somewhat split directions with a segment of incels that say they would hypothetically reject a below-average woman as a loving girlfriend. Now, in practice, it doesn't really matter because all ugly women are solipsistic sociopaths who despise ugly men and see them as trash regardless of what hobbies they share or how he behaves because they cannot enough looks and status to fit their hypergamous desires. But if in theory they weren't and actually approached incels, then it would constitute a moral issue. How can I allow myself to act like a superficial woman and potentially sexually ostracize others without having any qualms about it? As a man, my rational side should be stronger than impulse. I can understand being unable to resist it, but even then I would be supportive of methods to get rid of that instinct, and I would probably try very hard to put my duty to my values above it regardless and make an attempt to put my enjoyment behind and go through with it at least for a while, like drinking something bitter that you need to or doing something painful but necessary.

I'm curious as to how many incels share a similar mindset and values about the inherent depression and hatred that would remain for lookist society and women even if they were themselves attractive, although this might be too long to read for any but the more thoughtful and patient incels.

this is absolutely the philosophy a geniune incel with a kantian morality should have if they are morally straight and not corrupt and self interested.

The one element that EVEN IF YOU WERE CHAD THIS DOES NOT NEGATE WOMENS BEHAVIOUR TO OTHER UNNATTRACTIVE MEN IS THE WHOLE POINT IT IS THE TEST OF MORALITY FOR EVERYONE.

I go further and I APPLY THIS TO EVERYONE EVEN MEN, IF THEY GIVE OTHER ATTRACTIVE CHAD AND CHADLITE MEN PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT AND SHIT ON SUB 5 LOOKING MEN, I KNOW THEY ARE BENT IN ALMOST A PLATONIC VERSION OF WHAT YOU DESCRIBED AGAIN LOOKISM BUT MERELY MEN TO MEN.

This is a VERY VERY GOOD ACID TEST TO SEE THE MORALITY AND CORRUPTION PRESENT IN NORMTARDS AND PEOPLE IN GENERAL, AS SOON AS YOU SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN A PERSONS BEHAVIOUR TOWARDS OTHER PEOPLE BASED ON LOOKS YOU KNOW ITS TOTALLY OVER, AND THEY ARE TOTALLY CORRUPT AND HYPERGAMOUS, FOR MEN ITS STATUS HYPERGAMY, WOMEN BOTH STATUS AND SEXUAL.

As soon as someone shits on someone for their looks, or treats them way differently and halos good looking people and downplay normal or not so good looking people, i go full asshole mode on them and now simply shut them out, no interaction one words, not looking at them ghosting, etc etc etc etc.

 

[Liptusg]

this is absolutely the philosophy a geniune incel with a kantian morality should have if they are morally straight and not corrupt and self interested.

The one element that EVEN IF YOU WERE CHAD THIS DOES NOT NEGATE WOMENS BEHAVIOUR TO OTHER UNNATTRACTIVE MEN IS THE WHOLE POINT IT IS THE TEST OF MORALITY FOR EVERYONE.

I go further and I APPLY THIS TO EVERYONE EVEN MEN, IF THEY GIVE OTHER ATTRACTIVE CHAD AND CHADLITE MEN PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT AND SHIT ON SUB 5 LOOKING MEN, I KNOW THEY ARE BENT IN ALMOST A PLATONIC VERSION OF WHAT YOU DESCRIBED AGAIN LOOKISM BUT MERELY MEN TO MEN.

This is a VERY VERY GOOD ACID TEST TO SEE THE MORALITY AND CORRUPTION PRESENT IN NORMTARDS AND PEOPLE IN GENERAL, AS SOON AS YOU SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN A PERSONS BEHAVIOUR TOWARDS OTHER PEOPLE BASED ON LOOKS YOU KNOW ITS TOTALLY OVER, AND THEY ARE TOTALLY CORRUPT AND HYPERGAMOUS, FOR MEN ITS STATUS HYPERGAMY, WOMEN BOTH STATUS AND SEXUAL.

As soon as someone shits on someone for their looks, or treats them way differently and halos good looking people and downplay normal or not so good looking people, i go full asshole mode on them and now simply shut them out, no interaction one words, not looking at them ghosting, etc etc etc etc.

I get way too many amoral, hedonist NPC's in this thread telling me how I'm fooling myself and coping, and unsurprisingly these are always the same incels who are barely capable of formulating a thought that is longer than 5 words in total in their entire posting histories, or copy-paste somebody else's reactionary dismissal while ignoring all of my followup comments in this thread.

They have a normie's brain in an ugly body and can't comprehend the motives and principles of neurodivergents. I've had the same mentality since I was 4 years old, and long before puberty.

 

[Liptusg]

If you would look like a chad you will be fucking stacies and being worshipped by literally all normies like a deity instead of writing autistic theories on incel forums

OP is a coping pua faggot

So you never actually read the thread, and it seems you couldn't even read the title correctly. There is no doubt that looking like a Chad would mean being hit on by countless of stacies and worshipped by all normies, yet the title of this thread is that I would still not be happy even under these circumstances, and if you would read it, then you'd understand why.

As for "PUA", there is virtually nothing here that has to do with pickup artistry. You throw buzzwords as freely as a normie on IT does, and that is a shame, because I expected better from you. I know what the normies did to you, I have read your posts, and I share quite a few similar expriences myself.

You want these normies to be your friends? To worship your appearance while you listen on to their vapid lookist drivel in parties? And you call yourself 'Jokermaxxed' while having a Joker avatar? Unlike you, the Joker actually does know what needs to happen to society in order for him to be happy.

 

[Liptusg]

I’m just thinking about it and joker laughing at my face and height and I literally cannot tan and I literally cannot even get my mommy milkers and then i heard my face face tears tears and laughing tears and crying tears

I don't understand what that means but I can't imagine Joker laughing at appearance, considering his best friend and the only one he spared was the ugly midget clown. See, the joker understands his true calling, and tolerating normies isn't it.

 

[Liptusg]

I am literally going to be a joker and I will choke jesus in hell and I hate my face and face face and cry

That sounds pretty based. Now I hope you understand that the only kind of deity I would wish to be for normies is Hades.

 

[Simulacrasimulation]

I get way too many amoral, hedonist NPC's in this thread telling me how I'm fooling myself and coping, and unsurprisingly these are always the same incels who are barely capable of formulating a thought that is longer than 5 words in total in their entire posting histories, or copy-paste somebody else's reactionary dismissal while ignoring all of my followup comments in this thread.

They have a normie's brain in an ugly body and can't comprehend the motives and principles of neurodivergents. I've had the same mentality since I was 4 years old, and long before puberty.

you have run into what is known as human nature and this site is a great exposition into the depravity of human nature, even people right at the bottom dont build each other up, or have cohesive conversations, the majority is utter trash tear you down, NPC, mindless immoral self interested self flagellating crap that utterly makes no sense to anyone except to themselves and their own ego stroking.

The trick to getting anything right is OBJECTIVITY, THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING YOU ARE VIEWING HUMAN BEHAVIOUR OBJECTIVELY ON THE BASIS THAT EVERYONE IS OF EQUAL VALUE.

The absolute spergs on this site have a hierarchy of their own and cannot or wont put in the effort or the morality to treat everyone as of equal value and thus fairly and equally, LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE IS USED AS A WAY TO OBFUSCATE THEIR INABILITY TO DO THE ABOVE.

Thus either they are super low iq and dont understand the difference, or AS WE ALL KNOW HUMAN NATURE TO BE, THEY ARE UTTERLY BENT AND CORRUPT IN THEIR OWN SELF INTEREST, EITHER WAY FUCK EM

 

[Liptusg]

you have run into what is known as human nature and this site is a great exposition into the depravity of human nature, even people right at the bottom dont build each other up, or have cohesive conversations, the majority is utter trash tear you down, NPC, mindless immoral self interested self flagellating crap that utterly makes no sense to anyone except to themselves and their own ego stroking.

The trick to getting anything right is OBJECTIVITY, THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING YOU ARE VIEWING HUMAN BEHAVIOUR OBJECTIVELY ON THE BASIS THAT EVERYONE IS OF EQUAL VALUE.

The absolute spergs on this site have a hierarchy of their own and cannot or wont put in the effort or the morality to treat everyone as of equal value and thus fairly and equally, LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE IS USED AS A WAY TO OBFUSCATE THEIR INABILITY TO DO THE ABOVE.

Thus either they are super low iq and dont understand the difference, or AS WE ALL KNOW HUMAN NATURE TO BE, THEY ARE UTTERLY BENT AND CORRUPT IN THEIR OWN SELF INTEREST, EITHER WAY FUCK EM

Thankfully there are still a good deal of upright posters around, after all, it is much less rare to find good traits among incels than it is in the machiavellian world of women and their normie henchmen, but yes, those who subscribe to that silly hierarchy of status.. it is a baffling sight to behold. Like watching a fellow slave gloat about having the shinier chain, and all you can do is just stare in disbelief.

I think, that ironically, my own track record should be proof enough to some posters that we are not very much alike, and the way their worldview might change should their appearance change, is not the same way it would affect me.

 

[Revolution Needed 2]

I do think that part of why one might feel that way is because we are unsuccessful and bitter

Yes and no, since even if this is a fact, that doesn't mean what was said and stated about humans and seperately about 2 sexes is not a fact. It is a fact people are scumbags, but in case of those priviliged, having better life, they can afford to not care about it, since they are allowed to. If they had everything taken from them, maybe then they would change their how they say PERSPECTIVE to the real one, how life actually look like.

 

[ezio6]

Low iq

 

[GeneticDysfunction]

Yeah I don’t believe any of this. The experience of being Chad and flirting with a girl and actually having it be a positive experience would flood your brain with dopamine and you would forget about this bullshit “philosophical principle” you’re lying about. You’re here because of your looks and you wouldn’t be here if you had looks simple as that

this. All else is cope if i turned Chad tomorrow and had blackpill knowledge I would use it to my advantage not sit around depressed and mentally masturbating

 

[Max Doltman]

i do know one thing if was chad at least could feel happy when fucking a hot wet cunt