Limitation of Lookism theory: Women love ugly serial killers/rapists/criminals.

[IncelGod]

The evidence for this is overwhelming: Charles Manson groupies; long history of women sending love letters to serial killers (most of whom are ugly as fuck); hordes of chicks swooning over nasty lookin street thugs & gangsters, Blacks in general having higher SMV than Asians, even though in terms of facial looks they're not that much better (some would even argue worse).

Even Elliot Rodger got his wish after his killing spree :




But I think the best example is James Holmes. This weird lookin psycho shot up a movie theater in Aurora, shooting dozens of people and his reward? Scores of chicks sending him nudes and telling him they want to ride that psycho cock.

I think this is where 'It's all about the looks' theory breaks down. It's actually much more deeper than that. Foid Psychology is fundamentally masochistic, and 'Alpha man' or 'Bad boys' is just a softer way of saying I actually want someone that could literally choke me to death in the bed.

This is why Men need to rein in primal Female urges, because it goes against the very foundations of civilization, which is about building things up, and not tearing things down.

Females are self-destructive by nature (Freud also pointed this out), so logically they will seek out the most aggressive, destructive men. And if a Female gets in charge of the nation? She will secretly desire invaders who can rape the shit out of her, which is exactly what is happening in Europe right now.

 

[happiless]

They didn't love Cho, so there's a limit of the limit of lookism theory. But you might be right except for when the man is too ugly

 

[drivebyartist]

James Holmes isn't bad looking, just his eye area brings him down just a bit. Other then that, he has perfectly good facial features.

 

[Summer202]

U got it wrong. Only one thing makes them atrracted to those criminals and it's a sense of power they have over them once they are jailed.

Uhm no. Women want alphas to have power over them, not the other way around.

 

[rudolfhess]

You have to break it down into three groups:
1. Guys that slayed pussy even before they were caught (Charlie Manson, Ted Bundy)
2. Guys that slayed pussy only after being caught
3. Guys that are so ugly they have no orbiters even after being caught

Also, it's important to remember that when it comes to Columbine groupies and the like, they know the object of their supposed affection is dead, so they can virtue signal all they like about how beautiful they are or how much they want to fuck them, because they know full well their bluffs can't be called.

 

[Deleted member 5861]

This is where thugpill comes into play.

 

[AmeriCel64]

What was James Holmes' motive?

 

[PersonalityChad]

This is where thugpill comes into play.

Exactly. It's not a limitation, just an exception imho

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

Elliot Rodger wasn't ugly.

Also funny how legitimately ugly mass killers like Adam Lanza don't get the same attention.

 

[NeiboltStreet]

The evidence for this is overwhelming: Charles Manson groupies; long history of women sending love letters to serial killers (most of whom are ugly as fuck); hordes of chicks swooning over nasty lookin street thugs & gangsters, Blacks in general having higher SMV than Asians, even though in terms of facial looks they're not that much better (some would even argue worse).

Even Elliot Rodger got his wish after his killing spree :




But I think the best example is James Holmes. This weird lookin psycho shot up a movie theater in Aurora, shooting dozens of people and his reward? Scores of chicks sending him nudes and telling him they want to ride that psycho cock.



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I think this is where 'It's all about the looks' theory breaks down. It's actually much more deeper than that. Foid Psychology is fundamentally masochistic, and 'Alpha man' or 'Bad boys' is just a softer way of saying I actually want someone that could literally choke me to death in the bed.

This is why Men need to rein in primal Female urges, because it goes against the very foundations of civilization, which is about building things up, and not tearing things down.

Females are self-destructive by nature (Freud also pointed this out), so logically they will seek out the most aggressive, destructive men. And if a Female gets in charge of the nation? She will secretly desire invaders who can rape the shit out of her, which is exactly what is happening in Europe right now.

Very high IQ

And also quite similar to what JBP is saying with females being chaos and males being order

Elliot Rodger wasn't ugly.

Also funny how legitimately ugly mass killers like Adam Lanza don't get the same attention.

Damn, he always reminds me of the dude from Blue's Clues

 

[Deleted member 5861]

Exactly. It's not a limitation, just an exception imho

I wouldnt call it "exception" id just call it an addition to the blackpill. Everything else equal, thugged out male has far more smv than the nice guy version.

Although incel-tier appearence and trying to ascend by thugpill will come with so many problems. Such as beta looks ARE correlated with beta behavior, halo/falio effect, napoleon complex, etc.

 

[IncelGod]

Elliot Rodger wasn't ugly.

Also funny how legitimately ugly mass killers like Adam Lanza don't get the same attention.

We don't know if some foids out there were turned on by Adam Lanza because these things usually don't get reported. My point is that, while Lookism theory is largely correct, it still doesn't explain everything. Foid Psychology cuts much deeper than that, IMO.

 

[nklfdnblidnfbli]

We don't know if some foids out there were turned on by Adam Lanza because these things usually don't get reported. My point is that, while Lookism theory is largely correct, it still doesn't explain everything. Foid Psychology cuts much deeper than that, IMO.

there are tumblr fan pages for lots of these killers but not for Cho or Lanza because they were ugly

 

[IncelGod]

Also, it's important to remember that when it comes to Columbine groupies and the like, they know the object of their supposed affection is dead, so they can virtue signal all they like about how beautiful they are or how much they want to fuck them, because they know full well their bluffs can't be called.

I think the virtue signalling logic does not work here, because most people will not approve of their affection for killers and rapists. Virtue signalling is about gaining moral brownie points, but if you display your love for supposedly evil people, you're just seen as moral inferior and degenerate.

 

[NeiboltStreet]

I think the virtue signalling logic does not work here, because most people will not approve of their affection for killers and rapists. Virtue signalling is about gaining moral brownie points, but if you display your love for supposedly evil people, you're just seen as moral inferior and degenerate.

Maybe they just want to be edgy to get some fame on the internet?

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

We don't know if some foids out there were turned on by Adam Lanza because these things usually don't get reported. My point is that, while Lookism theory is largely correct, it still doesn't explain everything. Foid Psychology cuts much deeper than that, IMO.

Sounds like you're just desperate for a magical cheat code that allows sub4 men to genuinely attract women.

Face it, women are not attracted to sub4 men no matter what they do. The BEST they can ever hope for is to be betabux while a younger Chad cucks them...and these days even that's hard to pull of for sub4s.

Sub4 theory is rock solid. No matter how hard you try, you can't get around it.

 

[IncelGod]

Maybe they just want to be edgy to get some fame on the internet?

Yeah, that's also possible. But most seem genuinely sexually turned on by these men, which I always found perplexing growing up. I now understand a little bit better (am a fan of JBP, btw)

 

[NeiboltStreet]

Yeah, that's also possible. But most seem genuinely sexually turned on by these men, which I always found perplexing growing up. I now understand a little bit better (am a fan of JBP, btw)

It's pretty sick how JBP preaches this openly and still holds his ground against the normies. Also sick how foids can become state leaders (like Merkel in Germany) even though we know they are chaos and it's a very bad idea to let chaos rule

 

[IncelGod]

Sounds like you're just desperate for a magical cheat code that allows sub4 men to genuinely attract women.

Face it, women are not attracted to sub4 men no matter what they do. The BEST they can ever hope for is to be betabux while a younger Chad cucks them...and these days even that's hard to pull of for sub4s.

Sub4 theory is rock solid. No matter how hard you try, you can't get around it.

My motivation has more to do with trying to expose dangerous & destructive female psychology. I'm an incel, but really kinda volcel because I don't care about sex or affection, really.

Just look at the pictures of past serial killers, rapists, and mass murderes. Most are sub4 or sub5 creatures that you're referring to, and yet hordes of women throw themselves onto these men.

It's pretty sick how JBP preaches this openly and still holds his ground against the normies. Also sick how foids can become state leaders (like Merkel in Germany) even though we know they are chaos and it's a very bad idea to let chaos rule

It seems like a cake walk for JBP because pretty much everything he says is common sense. It's just been repressed by liberal media & elites, so all he has to do is open the cages and let the dogs out, so to speak.

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

Just look at the pictures of past serial killers, rapists, and mass murderes. Most are sub4 or sub5 creatures that you're referring to, and yet hordes of women throw themselves onto these men.

They're not sub4 though. The fact that you use Elliot Rodger and James Holmes as examples of sub4 men (which they are obviously not) is very telling.

You just WANT them to be sub4 to prove your point. The actual sub4 men we've given examples of (Adam Lanza, Cho Seung-Hui) don't get the same attention. Funny how that is.

 

[NeiboltStreet]

They're not sub4 though. The fact that you use Elliot Rodger and James Holmes as examples of sub4 men (which they are obviously not) is very telling.

You just WANT them to be sub4 to prove your point. The actual sub4 men we've given examples of (Adam Lanza, Cho Seung-Hui) don't get the same attention. Funny how that is.

It's true:

 

[Mahlo]

ThugPill is legit. Even crusty old men like Joseph Fritzl received hundreds of love letters for kidnapping and raping his daughter

 

[IncelGod]

They're not sub4 though. The fact that you use Elliot Rodger and James Holmes as examples of sub4 men (which they are obviously not) is very telling.

You just WANT them to be sub4 to prove your point. The actual sub4 men we've given examples of (Adam Lanza, Cho Seung-Hui) don't get the same attention. Funny how that is.

I've actually found a girl/woman who thinks Adam Lanza is hot. There are several more agreeing with her in the replies section.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20121216192229AAQWyej&guccounter=1

Also, I would absolutely classify JH as sub4. Look at his bug eyes and big nose. His chin is also weak, and has no cheekbones whatsoever. He's way below average for a white guy.

I would also argue Charles Manson is Adam Lanza level ugly. And yet, he has a groupie that treats him like a rock star.

 

[Deleted member 1042]

Psychopathmax and thuglifemax are essentially “personality matters” meme... Just not the personality inceltears keeps harping about. So if you believe in this, you essentially beleive in the personality meme (and a bit of the status meme).

 

[IncelGod]

Psychopathmax and thuglifemax are essentially “personality matters” meme... Just not the personality inceltears keeps harping about. So if you believe in this, you essentially beleive in the personality meme (and a bit of the status meme).

I mean, the logic is very simple. If you're ugly, at least be intimidating. That's it. It's just common sense. But very few people are aware that women are sexually turned on by this. If you're handsome and dangerous, sure you deserve the Chad title. But even if you're not good looking, I would argue psychopathmaxing and thuglifemaxing boosts your SMV significantly.

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

I mean, the logic is very simple. If you're ugly, at least be intimidating. That's it. It's just common sense. But very few people are aware that women are sexually turned on by this. If you're handsome and dangerous, sure you deserve the Chad title. But even if you're not good looking, I would argue psychopathmaxing and thuglifemaxing boosts your SMV significantly.

lol no. Sub4 ugly ogres are untouchables. Women walk on the other side of the street to avoid us. They are not "turned on" by the danger they feel around us.

The most hardcore truecel I have ever known was 6'4, buff, extroverted, and had a criminal history. I think he's in prison at the moment. Yet he was KHV, possibly KHHV and got rejected by even 1/10 women. But by your logic women should have loved him.

 

[IncelGod]

lol no. Sub4 ugly ogres are untouchables. Women walk on the other side of the street to avoid us. They are not "turned on" by the danger they feel around us.

The most hardcore truecel I have ever known was 6'4, buff, extroverted, and had a criminal history. I think he's in prison at the moment. Yet he was KHV, possibly KHHV and got rejected by even 1/10 women. But by your logic women should have loved him.

If we are to go by anecdotes, I can give you countless stories where I witnessed radioactive mutant lookin thugs, drug dealers, and other petty criminals in my neighborhood walking by with super hot chicks by their side. I also know bunch of nerdy, but objectively better looking men than those gangster types, experiencing trouble in the dating sphere. Most of the gangster types that I know are ugly as fuck, definitely nowhere near Chad-tier. Yet, they slay all day all night long.