RageFuel Just because it's nature, doesn't make it good

[Arthur Copenhauer]

Does anyone else fully accept that every issue we have in regards to gender dynamics is completely natural, yet still furious when faced with it?
It's natural that men are cucks and orbiters to women.
It's natural that women are attention whores.
It's natural that they literally do not have the cognitive capacity to leave any aspect of existence alone without making it about their reproductive success.
It's natural that men accept women who cheat their genetics, while women crucify men who do the same.
It's natural that women are uncaring, cold, vile, unempathetic, moronic, childish, manipulative, animalistic, physically and intellectually pathetic, sex-obssessed eugenicists.

That doesn't mean that the natural state of humanity is good though. It doesn't mean that I just have to accept it and get over it. And it definitely doesn't mean that I have to fall in line like a good little cuckold, and grovel at the feet of our female overlords.

 

[Irredeemable]

You are completely right, saying that something is "natural" doesn't actually say anything at all most of time.

Appeal to nature - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[JestER]

Fuck nature

 

[metabuxx]

Nature is fucking biased. It gave us a subhuman life but gave Chads and foids tons of privileges. FUCK IT.

 

[PersonaPimp]

good and evil do not exist by nature

 

[PoodankMcGee]

Exactly, the very thing that separates humanity from beasts is our ability to overcome the constraints and instincts imposed on us by nature (at least to a limited extent).

In removing all the regulations on sexuality that existed pre 1960s, we are increasingly seeing a return to ooga booga nig nog times, because you cant have a fucking civilization without monogamy to make sure every man has a stake in the welfare of his society.

Without this, men will have little reason to contribute, and due to this we are viewing an decline in social capital and communal trust, as sociologists such as Robert Putnam have documented

 

[NEETard]

Its natural for me to fuck any woman as i please but there are laws and society doesnt allow that. Maybe we should get some laws so women cant act like cavewomen anymore

 

[Deleted member 22904]

Based username ngl

 

[Personalityinkwell]

Rape and Murder are natural too

Civilization is not.

Fuck normies and their BS selfish logic

 

[Speedloader]

It’s also natural to go er

 

[MuslimCell]

it's good on the long run . a society of chads and stacies , a superiour race gentically . looks are evertything in this life

 

[Arthur Copenhauer]

Based username ngl

I was surprised it wasn't taken

 

[Deleted member 24081]

It’s also natural to go er

This. Chimps do this regularly when they beat the shit out of the alpha.

 

[HappilySingle]

Cucked laws are not natural, they are a choice.

 

[WarriorSkull]

Exactly, the very thing that separates humanity from beasts is our ability to overcome the constraints and instincts imposed on us by nature (at least to a limited extent).

In removing all the regulations on sexuality that existed pre 1960s, we are increasingly seeing a return to ooga booga nig nog times, because you cant have a fucking civilization without monogamy to make sure every man has a stake in the welfare of his society.

Without this, men will have little reason to contribute, and due to this we are viewing an decline in social capital and communal trust, as sociologists such as Robert Putnam have documented

Average IQ of humanity is also plummetting like a rock

 

[anon]

Everything that exists in the universe is natural even if it just exists as an idea inside someone's head. Everything that's happening in the world is perfectly natural, from fags to trannies to cuckoldry.
It's all bad for humanity, especially men, but you sometimes simply can't stop things from spreading.

 

[Deleted member 23820]

Based username ngl

 

[lightskin2thousand0]

Its natural for me to fuck any woman as i please but there are laws and society doesnt allow that. Maybe we should get some laws so women cant act like cavewomen anymore

except society gives women too many choices, which is a modern thing. peimitive females will fuck any male who has killed who they liked first, im cool with that

Average IQ of humanity is also plummetting like a rock

indeed

 

[Deleted member 23813]

a return to ooga booga nig nog times

I agree.

it's good on the long run . a society of chads and stacies , a superiour race gentically . looks are evertything in this life

Natural selection taking course. Whether or not I believe it's headed in the right or wrong direction, nature is cruel, unkind, and unforgiving.

Average IQ of humanity is also plummetting like a rock

At this rate incels centuries into the future will be breeded out by brain dead Chads and Stacies incapable of sophisticated thought processing. Me fuck you ooga booga type shit.

 

[kikecel]

I expect great things from you

 

[Deleted member 818]

Fuck nature

 

[Deleted member 20659]

Youre wrong

 

[WarriorSkull]

I agree.



Natural selection taking course. Whether or not I believe it's headed in the right or wrong direction, nature is cruel, unkind, and unforgiving.



At this rate incels centuries into the future will be breeded out by brain dead Chads and Stacies incapable of sophisticated thought processing. Me fuck you ooga booga type shit.

This is the ultimate outcome of any species that stakes it's evolutionary future in the sexual preferences of the female.

 

[Deleted member 23813]

This is the ultimate outcome of any species that stakes it's evolutionary future in the sexual preferences of the female.

Normies truly are fucked. Incels have nothing to be worried about though. We've got nothing to lose. I'll be long roped by then.

 

[Emba]

Denatures me

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Does anyone else fully accept that every issue we have in regards to gender dynamics is completely natural, yet still furious when faced with it?
It's natural that men are cucks and orbiters to women.
It's natural that women are attention whores.
It's natural that they literally do not have the cognitive capacity to leave any aspect of existence alone without making it about their reproductive success.
It's natural that men accept women who cheat their genetics, while women crucify men who do the same.
It's natural that women are uncaring, cold, vile, unempathetic, moronic, childish, manipulative, animalistic, physically and intellectually pathetic, sex-obssessed eugenicists.

That doesn't mean that the natural state of humanity is good though. It doesn't mean that I just have to accept it and get over it. And it definitely doesn't mean that I have to fall in line like a good little cuckold, and grovel at the feet of our female overlords.

Agreed. @Zyros @Sparrow's Song covered this. We need to lift ourselves beyond this biological flesh to truly attain a Utopia

 

[Deleted member 24160]

Good post. Murder is also completely natural but we put laws in place too make sure people were punished for it when the idea of making a functioning society popped into their heads.

 

[TINMAN]

Men literally got to where we are today by trampling on natural law and replacing it with our own

 

[N-Digger]

Nature isn't good and we shouldn't follow what is natural. Nature isn't intelligent. Evolution is not an intelligent process. Evolution is carnage sport which kills most of the players just for a small handful to survive, just for them to eventually die as well. All the things that happen have happened simply because they could, not because of some intelligent design or direction. But despite all this suffering that nature creates people still think that nature is beautiful because it looks pretty and it's somewhat complex.

 

[ChronicPaincel]

You are completely right, saying that something is "natural" doesn't actually say anything at all most of time.

Appeal to nature - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Cucked laws are not natural, they are a choice.

 

[ChronicPaincel]

Men literally got to where we are today by trampling on natural law and replacing it with our own

Ultralturbo high IQ i see you get it fully

 

[Deleted member 18435]

Nature can go fuck itself. I deserve my own foid all to myself.

 

[Excluded]

Copenhauer IQ. Going ER is also part of nature and natural selection, do they think is also good?

"nature is a whore" Kurt Cobain

 

[based_meme]

I expect great things from you

 

[TINMAN]

I agree.



Natural selection taking course. Whether or not I believe it's headed in the right or wrong direction, nature is cruel, unkind, and unforgiving.



At this rate incels centuries into the future will be breeded out by brain dead Chads and Stacies incapable of sophisticated thought processing. Me fuck you ooga booga type shit.

Sexual selection =/= natural selection

 

[Deleted member 23813]

Sexual selection =/= natural selection

Yes it does. Sexual selection is a mode of natural selection.

 

[TINMAN]

Yes it does. Sexual selection is a mode of natural selection.

Traits which are sexually selected for are not always beneficial to a species' survival

Peacocks are a prime example of this concept

 

[beta_max]

Raping pillaging and warring is natural too. surprise surprise.

 

[Lame Dude]

Which is why it is a fallacy. But I bet you know that already, philosophercel.

 

[Deleted member 23813]

Traits which are sexually selected for are not always beneficial to a species' survival

For peacocks yes. Humans are not peacocks. Truecel traits are not beneficial to normie society. It's still natural selection. Sexual selection falls under the umbrella term of natural selection.

Sexual selection: "natural selection arising through preference by one sex for certain characteristics in individuals of the other sex"
Doesn't matter if it's beneficial or not. It's still a special case of natural selection.

Your statement is akin to saying that firetrucks are the only kind of truck.

JFL that's a terrible analogy. Vehicles and modes of selection are entirely different things.

 

[TINMAN]

For peacocks yes. Humans are not peacocks. Truecel traits are not beneficial to normie society. It's still natural selection. Sexual selection falls under the umbrella term of natural selection.

Sexual selection: "natural selection arising through preference by one sex for certain characteristics in individuals of the other sex"
Doesn't matter if it's beneficial or not. It's still a special case of natural selection.

Facial attractiveness and height are not significantly beneficial to the survival of our species, IQ is. IQ is not sexually selected for in humans.

Also saying that it is a mode of natural selection doesn't mean that they are equivalent. That just means that it's a subset component of natural selection. Your statement is akin to saying that firetrucks are the only kind of truck.

 

[Deleted member 23813]

Facial attractiveness and height are not significantly beneficial to the survival of our species, IQ is. IQ is not sexually selected for in humans.

That's debatable. Now our facts are becoming opinions. What does significantly beneficial really mean? I said beneficial to normie society. Not society in general. Traits such as a lack of social awareness, lack of physical strength, and inability to be socially, physically, and mentally competent enough to reproduce are not significantly beneficial either. I'm playing devil's advocate here. Just because incels (not saying all) believe that Chad and Stacey's traits are not "beneficial" doesn't mean every other normie believes the same. It's not like facial attractiveness, and tall height mean that humans are attracting more predators or increasing the number of predators hunting them. IQ does not matter in normie society according to the blackpill. The only thing that matters is looks and aesthetics. If a true Chad is someone well-built, athletic, strong, and good-looking, those are traits that a foid would deem beneficial over a truecels would they not? Most truecels are badly-built, low T, individuals with high inhib and low social awareness. Social awareness and competence is needed to function within a group of species that need things like cooperation, people skills, etc. to survive. Aren't most of those traits associated with "good looks" and "nt" traits while antisocial non-nt traits are associated with "bad looks"? Chads, Staceys, and Chadlites will still breed out the sub 6s that are unable to secure sexual partners because foids determine what traits are beneficial to society, that's still natural selection in my book.

 

[TINMAN]

That's debatable. Now our facts are becoming opinions. What does significantly beneficial really mean? I said beneficial to normie society. Not society in general. Traits such as a lack of social awareness, lack of physical strength, and inability to be socially, physically, and mentally competent enough to reproduce are not significantly beneficial either. I'm playing devil's advocate here. Just because incels (not saying all) believe that Chad and Stacey's traits are not "beneficial" doesn't mean every other normie believes the same. It's not like facial attractiveness, and tall height mean that humans are attracting more predators or increasing the number of predators hunting them. IQ does not matter in normie society according to the blackpill. The only thing that matters is looks and aesthetics. If a true Chad is someone well-built, athletic, strong, and good-looking, those are traits that a foid would deem beneficial over a truecels would they not? Most truecels are badly-built, low T, individuals with high inhib and low social awareness. Social awareness and competence is needed to function within a group of species that need things like cooperation, people skills, etc. to survive. Aren't most of those traits associated with "good looks" and "nt" traits while antisocial non-nt traits are associated with "bad looks"? Chads, Staceys, and Chadlites will still breed out the sub 6s that are unable to secure sexual partners because foids determine what traits are beneficial to society, that's still natural selection in my book.

I think you are talking about intraspecies competition, in which attractive traits will allow you to outcompete other humans. However I am referring to humanity's resilience against extinction.

 

[Deleted member 20139]

nature doesn't have a morality

 

[Transcended Trucel]

nature doesn't have a morality

Nature is a brutal mechanism to increase entropy and nothing more.

 

[Deleted member 22907]

Fuck nature

BURN THE EARTH

 

[littlemanhikicel]

Nothing is 100% natural nowadays. Foids doesn't have that enormous power in a truly natural enviorement. They are submisive to the chads of the tribe in a natural setting.

 

[based_meme]

Traits which are sexually selected for are not always beneficial to a species' survival

Peacocks are a prime example of this concept

The Fisherian runaway is likely incorrect.

I used to think that sexual selection and natural selection were separate phenomena, but sexual selection is indeed natural selection. It's not even a subset, it IS natural selection. What we see as what appears to be sexual selection is simply natural selection happening for an environment where either survival is not as urgent (generations pass where the immediate threat of predators is not a concern), or that survival is based on attributes and features that are not immediately apparent.

The female simply selects for males that are alpha within the current environment, because that in itself signals survival strength. If the environment changes suddenly, then what may be beneficial and advantageous for survival in the old environment might not be the case anymore. And so, the males have to adapt, which means a new type of alpha could emerge with different characteristics that optimize its survival in the new environment.

The peacock is likely a false positive, since the male peacock plume looks somewhat similar to a bush, and could thus pass off as background bush to help camouflage the bird.

 

[TINMAN]

The Fisherian runaway is likely incorrect.

I used to think that sexual selection and natural selection were separate phenomena, but sexual selection is indeed natural selection. It's not even a subset, it IS natural selection. What we see as what appears to be sexual selection is simply natural selection happening for an environment where either survival is not as urgent (generations pass where the immediate threat of predators is not a concern), or that survival is based on attributes and features that are not immediately apparent.

The female simply selects for males that are alpha within the current environment, because that in itself signals survival strength. If the environment changes suddenly, then what may be beneficial and advantageous for survival might in the ild environment might not be the case anymore. And so, the males have to adapt, which means a new type of alpha could emerge with different characteristics that optimize its survival in the new environment.

The peacock is likely a false positive, since the male peacock plume looks somewhat similar to a bush, and could thus pass off as background bush to help camouflage the bird.

there are thousands of other bird species that have developed elaborate plumage and even mating rituals that could in no way possibly be advantageous for anything aside from being attractive to females.

Also, alpha males aren't the only ones who get to mate, not to mention that pair bonding species exist, and humans are a cross between pair bonding and tournament style species.

The fact of the matter is that human female's mating preferences date back to the stone age, when taller height and larger physique signified that a man was a better hunter, not only because of genetics but also because starvation prevented you from getting taller unless you got enough food. Having our species' sexual selection be chosen according to those standards is fucking retarded.

 

[based_meme]

there are thousands of other bird species that have developed elaborate plumage and even mating rituals that could in no way possibly be advantageous for anything aside from being attractive to females.

And that simply means that those attributes and characteristics are beneficial for survival in their current environment. It looks like it's in no way possible to be advantageous, but there is always a method to nature's madness.

I've hypothesized before that the appearance of sexual selection may simply be a sort of feedback system whereby the species keeps pushing the selection in the current environment and waits for the environment to push back as feedback information to help improve the species through changes in the selection process. What sometimes happens is that this process pushes too fast and too hard, without receiving adequate feedback to calibrate its selection, and the pushback from the environment results in something like extinction.

The example I like to use is all of these statusmaxxed social media attention whores (the male ones). If EMP devices were detonated worldwide and the internet went down, these males would lose a significant chunk of their alpha status, since the environment has now drastically changed. The females would look elsewhere for alphas. It won't exactly be Mad Max, but it would be a step in that direction.