"this isn't women's fault it's the media" "violence isn't ok" "we shouldn't hate women"
they're so pathetic
they're so pathetic
MRAs are pathetic. Nobody takes them seriously.
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Shit, you're right. Have these people completely ignored the blackpill? This is woman's inherent nature. Now that the West has rejected Christianity and females can provide a living for themselves, they have no need for the majority of men and they are making this perfectly clear. These people are also so bluepilled. These cucks actually want to empower foids with guns to shoot any man who offends them.
Imagine a timeline where females are just sperging out on men who walk near them at night and it will have been encouraged by men.
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Shit, you're right. Have these people completely ignored the blackpill? This is woman's inherent nature. Now that the West has rejected Christianity and females can provide a living for themselves, they have no need for the majority of men and they are making this perfectly clear. These people are also so bluepilled. These cucks actually want to empower foids with guns to shoot any man who offends them.
You don't have to imagine, it'll happen pretty soon. If men don't take their lives back by force, they'll be destroyed (with the obvious exception of Chads).
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Shit, you're right. Have these people completely ignored the blackpill? This is woman's inherent nature. Now that the West has rejected Christianity and females can provide a living for themselves, they have no need for the majority of men and they are making this perfectly clear. These people are also so bluepilled. These cucks actually want to empower foids with guns to shoot any man who offends them.
Well the thing is MRA’s and MGTOWers tend to be men that got women before, but got divorce raped for whatever reason. It explains the blue pill in them
Because they used to betabux
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Shit, you're right. Have these people completely ignored the blackpill? This is woman's inherent nature. Now that the West has rejected Christianity and females can provide a living for themselves, they have no need for the majority of men and they are making this perfectly clear. These people are also so bluepilled. These cucks actually want to empower foids with guns to shoot any man who offends them.
They'd just shoot all non chad men
There are guys in a men’s rights sub encouraging foids to buy guns so they can shoot men who “scare” them at night wtf? These guys somehow think they aren’t the problem? This is literally how MeToo started. Cucks want to make it ok for foids to shoot men under the excuse of fear, not even bodily harm. Literal thought crimes
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Keep punching down. You aren't doing anything to help."this isn't women's fault it's the media" "violence isn't ok" "we shouldn't hate women"
And as @Extra-Samsaric has said going er only makes things worse.
Those aren't men's rights activists those are soyfag activists. If a man can't get away with shooting an unarmed rostie at night out of "fear" then neither can a rostie.
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They are saying if women are so scared of men then they should take steps to protect themselves instead of blaming all men.
They clearly do not care about the rights of men
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They do but they are among the most bluepilled and naive of people in the manosphere and for the longest time thought petitioning and protesting unjust laws was a good way to go about things and dismissed talk of how it wouldn't matter as defeatism.
Also like many men's rights subs on reddit they have to toe the line to avoid getting quarantined or banned. Men's rights is also about the perception of men's rights. They believe that by being very cautious they will help improve the perception of men's rights among more serious people and encourage others to advocate for the rights of men and boys.
Bluepilled yeah but I can't see how they don't care about the rights of men.
They are not going to achieve anything by going in that path. Real change can only be made through violence and hERoic actions. You will need to cause chaos and disorder and when the enemy is at its weakest, then it is time to strike. Nobody knows how things will play out but all I know is that we will need to get our hands bloody if we ever want to make it out of this nightmare. It is extremely naïve to think (((they))) can be reasoned with or will compromise.
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Even other redpillers have pointed that out but you can't completely blame guys for trying tbh
If you don't use force you'll get trampled on.
If you use force you can still get trampled on and society can use that as even more of a pretext to crack down on you.
It's a tough situation to be in with no easy answers @PPEcel
Looks like it is the one thing that the rest of the manosphere can agree on
It depends on how strong the force is. Which is why it is good to wait and and increase in numbers. A head on fight will only result in catastrophe. We need to be more tactical. More distractions would be helpful as well as pitting certain groups against each other to weaken the enemy. Get the enemy as weak as possible through infighting, distrust, chaos, and fear. And then force can be used to finish them off for good
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Imo less true for people that posted on incelswithouthate. Almost never saw any mocking or hatred of MRAs compared to redpillers there tbh
tbh head on fights and demonstrations just for the sake of them like the United the Right rallies in Charlottesville always backfire.
They hardly were blackpilled
You just can’t win a fight with small numbers like that. Either try to increase numbers or try a different way
...cope
Based
Based
Extremely based
The Leviathan is far too powerful to take head on.... did anyone see what happened to the Capitol Hill "insurrectionists?" There was a harsh reaction and crackdown to what was essentially a minor act of civil disobedience. Nihilistic mass shootings should not be celebrated- we've have numerous ERs and nihilistic mass shootings in the past 35 years. Since then, have the circumstances gotten better for men, or much worse? Since then, has gynocentrism and feminism gotten weaker or stronger?
Imo, the best way to fight against the system for now is to simply withdraw from it as much as possible- stop consooming their products, media, etc. Stop voting in their elections and stop investing in their markets.
Imo, the best way to fight against the system for now is to simply withdraw from it as much as possible- stop consooming their products, media, etc. Stop voting in their elections and stop investing in their markets.
Cope, clown world can only ever be taken as head on as possible and as brutally as possible, any less and they'll see it as a weakness. Only going ER does something against the establishment. Not that I encourage it (for legal reasons) or plan to do it myself (bc it would ruin my life), but if we were to really fight back that'd be the way to go.
Ik it's counter intuitive but feminists, woke idiots etc, are more outraged and aggressive the subtler you are about attacking them. When you face them head on they respect you a bit.
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Yeah @PPEcel
tbh the alt-right freaking out has been used to bring down manosphere groups by extension just because the alt-right co-opted a lot of their terminology from the manosphere and tried to talk about similar things that the manosphere talked about to hook disaffected white males.
But this is a bit too idealistic imo. Civil disobedience and withdrawal is highly overrated. Even more so it can be circumvented by bringing in more people that are willing to work for scraps like with immigration.
Just because they despise weakness doesn't mean you go the opposite end and act violent "to send a message". Those attacks are used against existing peaceful sexless males to further demonize them. Some of the same feminists and woke idiots are infact counting on you taking extreme action which is why they put out suggestive messaging that incels are violent and are going to snap while simultaneously mocking you for being able to do nothing so far.
They want you to be the bad guy and unarguably play the part but that doesn't mean they'll go any easier on you @Mainländer
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Going ER has limited effectiveness though- even the most blundering fool can kill helpless unarmed civilians with at least some degree of competence. Now, taking out members of the military and police, assassinating important public officials- that is much more effective and actually requires skill and intelligence
MRA is the male equivalent of feminism. Both are a bunch of whiny losers.
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It's just rage quitting where anyone becomes collateral damage. While you lash out still everyone that wronged you or will later laugh at you isn't gone.
The more cynical among people would say that's simply taking out one puppet that can be replaced with another.
Perhaps you're right- there are always thousands of other cretins willing and ready to take your place. But it's probably the best we can do right now.
Yeah and it'd be rare for someone to agree with our cause and also have those skills. So regular ERs are good enough. Honestly, as long as I'm not one of the random victims, I'm ok with it. It makes people scared of treating us like they do and that's the only language they understand.
Ik Elliot didn't make clown world elites back off or anything, but he did have a positive effect on many incels lives whose bullies wondered if they'd go ER and got scared. That's already a positive effect of his actions. And he also showed foids that treating sub8s like shit has repercussions, that we won't just keep our heads down, or shut up and take it like that ITfoid said.
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Gandhi and MLK are held up as the model for civil disobedience. There are some problems with this:
1. Gandhi was mainly successful after the British Empire was weary from war and overextending it's influence overseas (similar to what is happening to America)
2. MLK faced a lot of opposition even in his time and it was a long time before many people in America had a favorable opinion of him.
3. People naturally see low status unattractive males as less important than women no matter what and will go to absurd lengths to justify this and paint anyone that opposes this as evil.
Our "critics" say there's nothing we can do and gloat about it but think about logically and it does infact appear that's close to being the case. But still the least you can do is to express yourself as you see fit and within the confines of the law. Do not be afraid to post for fear that you are being "monitored". Those are scare tactics meant to have a chilling effect on speech.
I doubt they want us to go ER, bc if there was a huge uprising, incels would go ER in masse, and then the media and big tech, which they worship, would have to tell their slaves to respect us and treat us better, and that'd be game over for feminists
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Some do some don't. But either way every time someone goes er it just results in a crack down on existing sexless males. That is obviously not desirable because as much as incel life is suffering it's better to be able to cope and peace and be ignored than actively persecuted, misrepresented and becoming even more of a socially acceptable scapegoat.
Brocel, I know you disagree with me, and that's totally respectable, but i stand by my opinion: going ER is better than half assedly fighting back in moderate ways.
If you don't believe, maybe try to do an experiment, of whether full blown aggression is preferable to diplomacy. Go to a feminist sub and open an "as a male" type post giving an MRA type opinion but very mildly and respectfully, and conceding a lot. And check how hostile the responses are.
Then, make a post (with another alt and everything) straight up calling women garbage and worthless trash, and saying that they deserve to get raped, beaten etc. And compare the responses. I think you'll be surprised. I never did this experiment though so i could be wrong.
I feel you brocel, but i think it is a flaw on your logic that we should aim not to be cracked down on, or demonized, because they hate us anyway
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Unless fighting back in moderate ways means still refusing to stay a silent wageslave drone than yeah half assedly concern trolling about how men are falling behind isn't going to do anything good. That's why I advocate not spreading the blackpill unnecessarily because not every guy is ready to hear it and in some ways it just furthers the narrative more in favor of women. Look at fds and pinkpillers for example. I'd rather no one really talk about this if nothing is going to be done but people are going to talk regardless. I can't fault more idealistic males for wanting a resolution and improvement to the current situation. A lot of us were there once when we still had more hope.
I already know that.
It's the same no matter what because they see it that way. Still doing something overtly violent and true to a stereotype just helps them turn more people (that otherwise would not have cared) against you. Whereas if they object to shitposts or incels venting they look more like petty SJWs.
The concept of men's rights is retarded: there's no "men", there are chads, normies and incels which are 3 distinct categories of which only one is oppressed. I only care about ugly men's rights
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I mean why give them more of a reason to crack down when you know they are looking for reasons to? Even as much as they have a lot of power to ruin the lives of people here it's not absolute. For the longest time MRAs and other groups in the manosphere evaded a lot of scrutiny because authorities weren't able to pinpoint any acts of violence. It's acts of violence that they love pointing to justify their crack downs. As rabid as a lot of people are they are still aren't going to be completely convinced by SJWs fear mongering unless there are actual incidents they can point to of incels killing people or clearly advocating violence in such an overt way that not even white nationalists do. That paints a target on your back and gets you the wrong kind of attention.
Many guys that go er have nothing going for them but because of collective guilt what they do doesn't just affect them. It ends up hurting guys that weren't even involved in any anything and makes it harder for them to cope as @Indari said. No that's not fair and collective guilt shouldn't be assigned because one guy went er but that's how this world is.
MRA = mentally retarded activists
If going ER was worthwhile, we'd see some positive results after 35-40 years of "ERs," but instead, the system has gotten much more powerful, feminism, gynocentrism, open hyergamy, open contempt for males, have gotten far more prominent in the wider culture. For me to get behind ERs, I would need to see evidence of it weakening the system.
Please be more specific which members you are paraphrasing OP"this isn't women's fault it's the media" "violence isn't ok" "we shouldn't hate women"
If you mean the 2nd bullet against advocating violence, that obviously makes sense since it would get the subreddit shut down.
I would say ER and AM were the only positive ones that resulted in society having better understanding of incels than before.
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