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RageFuel It's time to admit it: At least some of you are not incel only because of your looks

Disillusioned

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Yes looks is 90% of what matters but let's not pretend there aren't any retards in this community (well if we can call it that) who are simply legit stupid and obnoxious as fuck and fail to get women as a result.

Even if looks matters the most, I disagree that it isn't possible to turn women off via obnoxious personality. The various Tinder experiments are bullshit strawmen because they use guys with super model looks which isn't how 99% of men look like in the real world. So what if a 10/10 can get away with anything. What about a 7/10? Could a 7 tell a woman on Tinder that he wants to rape her and eat her children and still get laid like a 10 could? I doubt it.

The brutal truth is this: At least SOME of the people here are not failing ONLY because of their looks. Yes looks matter the most, but if they were the ONLY thing that mattered than only the top 5-10% of males would even have girlfriends/wives at all, which clearly isn't the case.

Now don't get me wrong, this could very well change. Perhaps in the soon to be future the tinderization of society will mean most men will be incel in general. But at least for now, that isn't the case. So uhm, yea. Fuck the fake "incels" on here who aren't even legit ugly or even have a fair reason to be incel.
 
Yes I am ugly and short and mentally challenged.
 
How you act is a reflection of your looks (and height).
 
CompleteFuckingLoser said:
How you act is a reflection of your looks (and height).
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Not always. You can act tough even if you are a ugly sub-human manlet. Granted that it won't work and people will probably make fun of you, but there are people who do this.
 
Another fakecel hunting...OP looks matter 100%, (and only them) foids can't look at your personality !!!
 
Disillusioned said:
Not always. You can act tough even if you are a ugly sub-human manlet. Granted that it won't work and people will probably make fun of you, but there are people who do this.
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Why do you think manlets act tough in the first place? You really think thats "them"?
 
I think my social awkwardness is my biggest downfall. I’d say I’m fairly ugly but there’s probably far uglier that have gotten laid.

I constantly stumble over my words when I talk. I seem to forget how to talk and become a stuttering retard whenever I talk to someone in public. My voice also goes really high pitched and I sound like a pussy.
 
nice cope thread
 
OP is right.
 
I am a hideous short abomination with autism.
 
Well no shit Sherlock.

It’s really hard to make this call without seeing real profile pics of every member. But I have a really strong suspicion that although most incels are certainly not very attractive, they are not genetic monsters cursed to walk through life alone. They are not truecels.

What I have noticed from the members who share here is that they are damaged. They have been abused, sexually and or physically. They don’t have supportive families - or never had a real one at all. They have physical and mental disabilities. They are stricken by poverty and disadvantaged. Their egos are left on life support by the disinterest and casual cruelty of women.

Rather than being helped by society they are despised.

I know it’s a dangerous thing to say here, but what I suspect happens is that after so much pain caused by rejection and exclusion they form a protective delusion. That delusion is that they are unable to have a positive relationship with a woman. This is because of their bone structure, or genetics, or race, or height. Whatever it is about themselves they cannot change. It’s not even a delusion that really needs to be challenged. If they have decided that is what they need to believe in order to experience less pain and keep going. To stay alive. I have no right to tell them otherwise.

The blackpill itself is a cope for many.

Even if this is true, it doesn’t really matter of course. Because knowing it doesn’t help them. The factors that led them to become incels would still be working against them even if they rejected the idea that it was impossible for them to ascend. Hearing someone say “you just have to do X and Y” is ragefuel for a good reason. It’s cruel. It blames the incel for his condition. It is incredibly arrogant to think they don’t know themselves what to do, and have not tried it already.

Nobody chooses the circumstances they were born to. Nobody chooses to live a life full of loneliness and regret. Regret not for things lost, but things they never had. If there was some simple thing they could do to “fix” themselves they would.

I would say that strictly speaking you are right in asserting that it’s not just about looks. It’s about much more than that. But although there are some obnoxious retards here, being an obnoxious retard is is most certainly not why the overwhelming majority of incels exist.
 
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Aspergers makes me uglier than I actually am due to not smiling, monotone voice, and lack of proper humor. So I might be like a 4/10 but with aspergers I'm around a 2/10, and being ethnic makes me 1/10.

So what if I'm not the worst looking incel on the boards? The sum total makes me completely undesireable.

If it was only my looks, I would have gotten plastic surgery ages ago. Looks is so easy to change if you have money.
 
Personality does matter if you're normie tier. Not if you're incel or Chad.
 
socially challenged and a manlet. but I have one hell of a temper and I gym maxx.
Disillusioned said:
Not always. You can act tough even if you are a ugly sub-human manlet. Granted that it won't work and people will probably make fun of you, but there are people who do this.
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>caring about how other people feel and not just postualing yourself
 

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Mainländer said:
Personality does matter if you're normie tier. Not if you're incel or Chad.
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Basically this. Enhancing your personality, orbiting, playing the social circle game, following IT platitudes, PUA´s advice etc... will only work if you have something to begin with. If you are ugly, sub5, you lack this, so nothing is probably going to work. Specially sub3, i really really think that nothing matters at all. A 4/10 could get lucky if he approaches 1.000-10.000 times like uninstall, who knows. But a solid 3 it is just impossible. Normies have a reason to, for example, orbit a foid. Maybe he can get some sex if he is skilled. But a fooking ugly motherfucker is just giving his time, money and energy for free to the foid, because she is not physically capable of giving him sex due to his looks.
And i dont want to talk about how easy it is for a retarded autistic pedophile to get laid in Tinder if he looks like Chad.
Only normies need to follow the normie dating rules. Thats what happens if you are not stuck in the top or the bottom, you have room to move up or down.
 
Looks 100% matter

"Personality" is a meme.
Chad can literally beat a woman and be slightly above mentally retarded and still SLAY


We did an experiment where Chad was an admitted pedophile. Did just fine.
 
I doubt most of the "fakecels" here are just low tier normies who were abused, bullied or mistreated. It takes more than that to become an incel. Some sort of noticeable deformity, out of the norm physical feature, at the very least. Something that will forever make you different from the norm physically.

Bad personality is also largely genetic, such as being anxious. The rest is a result of years of bullying and isolation, but no one is bullied for years without some sort of physical reason.
 
The uglier you are, the more important your personality becomes. I'm not an asshole, but not particularly charismatic. I can be funny; I can even tease sometimes, but if I was good looking, that would be enough to halo my average personality. I can be great, but a great ugly guy is just that, like a healthy meal that looks like shit.
 
oldcellcopecell said:
I doubt most of the "fakecels" here are just low tier normies who were abused, bullied or mistreated. It takes more than that to become an incel. Some sort of noticeable deformity, out of the norm physical feature, at the very least. Something that will forever make you different from the norm physically.

Bad personality is also largely genetic, such as being anxious. The rest is a result of years of bullying and isolation, but no one is bullied for years without some sort of physical reason.
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I have a bad spot and a gut that won't go away. I have a receeding hairline what more do you need?
 
I'd say personality matters but the only time your personality is going to get judged is if you are good looking enough to get a foid to pay attention to you. Anyone who is under a 5/10 is invisible to foids no matter how great their personality.
 
I was rated a 3/4 by some other user, even though I clearly know I'm at least a 6
 
Disillusioned said:
Funny how some people here say personality only matters if you are top 20% looks and others say it's only if you are under 20% looks.
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The reason why I say that is due to the okcupid data which showed that women rate 80% of men as physically unattractive.
And as we all know, if she is not attracted to you physically everything you do is annoying and creepy, thus personality is irrelevant
 
yeah that is true OP I've said it many times. I can admit I'm ugly AND a creep but some of these dudes think just because a male model with a swastika photoshopped on his arm can get one night stands means personality doesn't matter AT ALL, in reality it just means looks can make up for a bad personality, and if you don't have the looks, well...
 
If by getting laid, you mean beta bux a whale after finding her through a giant social circle.
 
Personality is a moot point as the bulk of us can’t even hit the looks requirement
 
This thread is so depressing because it's been on this forum 1000 times.
Let's try and formalise it a bit so we can have a more interesting conversation. Start with some equations:
looks = l, personality=p, #cold approaches per date=c, #dates per fuck (how many separate girls you have to take on multiple dates before one doesn't ghost you and fucks you=d, #social approaches per date=s, #tinder swipes to message=t, #tinder message girls to date=m


These equations are fucked because they ignore the tier of the girl, but let's just say you approach at random (weighted sum over all tiers). Take the convention that the upper case is the equation for that variable:

c=C(l, p), d=D(l, p), t=T(l, p) m=M(l, p)
so the first one in words, c (number of approaches per hit) is equal to a probability function C of your looks and personality.

call f=F a function that approximates them all, assume that they're similar with a scaling factor.

They're super nonlinear functions specifically that in looks, there's a filter function where:
(given that l < IL, f=0). So below a certain looks threshold, your personality is irrelevant, your probability is zero, your approaches will tend to 1000s with no response.

That's the core of incel theory, "it's over".

The first interesting question is: what is IL as a percentile of the scale of L (what percent of men are incel).

You're saying, for "volcel" l>IL, p is relevant to the equation. Everyone agrees to that, the question is how relevant and to which numbers.

There's another side to the equation:
for l > CL, f > CE
CL is chadlooks, CE is chad-easy.

So again, at a high level, personality is almost irrelevant, your chance approaches a constant high number.
There's another subtlety, because most guys just want to get laid regularly with different girls, once you're above a number for probability, being higher than that doesn't really matter. Like you can impress your mates with a model girlfriend but it really isn't a big difference to your life once you can just get laid easily. What are those numbers, call them DE (doable easy) for the different metrics. You get laid every night you go to a club instead of most nights. Again, to you it's kind of irrelevant.

Another key blackpill argument is that CE >> DE and at the high end it's still mostly looks, with a super high spike around a certain level. All the numbers seem to say 80th percentile, you go quickly from < DE to > DE and casual sex is possible.
 
one of the main reasons I'm incel is because i still live at home
 
Sorry I was born retarded. I will just magicaly make myself have a high IQ from now on.
 
NEETAndTidy said:
Looks 100% matter

"Personality" is a meme.
Chad can literally beat a woman and be slightly above mentally retarded and still SLAY


We did an experiment where Chad was an admitted pedophile. Did just fine.
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I'm a mentalcel. Still contributes to my inceldom anyways.
 
It never began for me i´m both ugly af and socially inept
 
Disillusioned said:
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the point is that if an "obnoxious personality" can actually turn a female away from you, it's not actually attracted to you. Chad doesn't turn anyone off with his "obnoxious personality". why do you think that is? because the female harbors raw attraction towards him. the body pushes it to reproduce with this genetic god in front of it.

if a female doesn't feel like this about you, is a relationship really worth it (it never is, even if you're Chad, but that's another subject)? especially since it WILL feel this way about Chads and grow to despise you over time. personality cannot invoke genuine attraction. only, and ONLY, your genetics can.
 
I am in the wrong location for a practical and realistic ascension
 
My looks, height, ethnicity and in the past loser status all held me back.
 
I'm socially awkward and ugly.
 
This thread is pointless tbh
 
If you're not incel from looks, you're not incel.
 
I am incel because foids chose not to love me or fuck me. It is out of my control why. The reason is the sum of my attractive attributes waged against my repulsive attributes. Obviously I am more repulsive than I am attractive. Maybe some foids would agree to my looks if my voice was lower. Maybe if I was better at rhyming. This does not mean that I am not still overall repulsive though.
Ugly or Repulsive. It feels the same to me. :feelstastyman:
 
There's a lot of bad personalities on this forum, but most of us are legit too ugly for women online, and that's where a lot of us are only capable of dating. In 20 or so years that'll be the only place people date. Online, women only care about that same sliver of men.
 
if you can´t get a girl it´s in 100% of cases 100% caused by you not being good looking enough.
 
I unironically believe I could get a gf if I wasn't a socially inept degenerate.
 
This is volcels.me

I think that the majority of us larpers here are willing to act like Chad, but we can't.

I'll admit. I just wanted to pump and dump and stay volcel, but i couldn't because i'm at least a lazy normal looking guy, not a Chad.
 
reroll said:
This thread is so depressing because it's been on this forum 1000 times.
Let's try and formalise it a bit so we can have a more interesting conversation. Start with some equations:
looks = l, personality=p, #cold approaches per date=c, #dates per fuck (how many separate girls you have to take on multiple dates before one doesn't ghost you and fucks you=d, #social approaches per date=s, #tinder swipes to message=t, #tinder message girls to date=m


These equations are fucked because they ignore the tier of the girl, but let's just say you approach at random (weighted sum over all tiers). Take the convention that the upper case is the equation for that variable:

c=C(l, p), d=D(l, p), t=T(l, p) m=M(l, p)
so the first one in words, c (number of approaches per hit) is equal to a probability function C of your looks and personality.

call f=F a function that approximates them all, assume that they're similar with a scaling factor.

They're super nonlinear functions specifically that in looks, there's a filter function where:
(given that l < IL, f=0). So below a certain looks threshold, your personality is irrelevant, your probability is zero, your approaches will tend to 1000s with no response.

That's the core of incel theory, "it's over".

The first interesting question is: what is IL as a percentile of the scale of L (what percent of men are incel).

You're saying, for "volcel" l>IL, p is relevant to the equation. Everyone agrees to that, the question is how relevant and to which numbers.

There's another side to the equation:
for l > CL, f > CE
CL is chadlooks, CE is chad-easy.

So again, at a high level, personality is almost irrelevant, your chance approaches a constant high number.
There's another subtlety, because most guys just want to get laid regularly with different girls, once you're above a number for probability, being higher than that doesn't really matter. Like you can impress your mates with a model girlfriend but it really isn't a big difference to your life once you can just get laid easily. What are those numbers, call them DE (doable easy) for the different metrics. You get laid every night you go to a club instead of most nights. Again, to you it's kind of irrelevant.

Another key blackpill argument is that CE >> DE and at the high end it's still mostly looks, with a super high spike around a certain level. All the numbers seem to say 80th percentile, you go quickly from < DE to > DE and casual sex is possible.
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This nigga dropping math and equationpills on us.
 
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