Venting It's not even about sex!

[AlexAnguish]

One reason I came here is to make a post clearing up normies and antis view of incels. At least for ME it's not even about sex!

I keep hearing "why not buy a prostitute?" and all that about how anyone can get sex. Well if you're one of them lurking and reading this. NO! That's not the only thing in life I'm after! Yes it's a big part of life but a prostitute is not going to genuinely love me, accept me, and want to be in a romantic relationship with me. She just wants money! Which is ironically what a lot of normal women want too. What I want is to be hugged by a girl, accepted and liked! No I don't think it's your fault, or all womens fault because I don't have a girl friend (despite my best efforts). I understand you're literally programmed to reject certain guys who don't meet your thresholds and it's not your fault. Just like it's not my fault for being programmed to want to be loved in the first place. What can I do about that huh? I JUST want to be NORMAL like everyone else. I suspect I may have diagnosed autism. I'm pretty sure I do have it, but what can be done about it? I've tried so much, see my posts about me graduating, getting a good job, a car, a home, etc.

I do wish some "opposition" was allowed to post here because I want to know what they'd have to say to that. I don't think they'd have an answer. It's not my fault my brain LITERALLY PUNISHES me with EXTREME PAIN because I'm rejected by girls and considered worthless by you and society. Sure, the government might not want me to kill myself, because I'm a tax cow for them. But YOU wouldn't care would you? I don't get how these people can consider themselves to be on the moral high ground. You know how many men kill themselves every year!? I'd say many of them are incels, many of them are men and they did it over a woman. Idk what percentage, it might be the majority but the reason I suspect is a very large percentage.

 

[Henry de Montherlant]

She just wants money! Which is ironically what a lot of normal women want too.

That's precisely why we will never find love : it doesn't exist, or at least it isn't the thing we imagine at first. Chads know it well, "love" is only a relation of peculiar interest and "interdependance" (most of the time just dependance from one particular side to the other).

 

[EyesAreSoCold]

Yes inceltears are stupid, they literally ignore threads like this and only goes for the most misogynistic ones so that they can say "LOOK THIS WHY YOU CANT GET GIRLS". We are all like you, we only want love from women. The desire for sex is easily extinguished by masturbation but nothing satisfies the need for love.

 

[AlexAnguish]

Yeah...

 

[PersonalityPornstar]

If actual criminals and serial killers get love and validation i don't see why shouldn't i get love and validation too.
Oh yes, because those criminals and serial killers have a great personality. Teehee.

 

[AlexAnguish]

IKR!? Like there is this guy I knew back as a teen. He was in his late 20s and used to plow rows of cute blond high school girls at my school. He was basically Chad the criminal/drug dealer. He had been to prison, had a record, had tatooes, etc. Wtf...!?

Ted freaken Bundy had a fan club of girls. Like girls would rather date a serial killer than a well mannered individual like me or most of us here. That basically translates to "I'd rather die than go out on a date with you!" ....

 

[Deleted member 1983]

some incels here care more about sticking their dick in a wet hole. though idk why they dont just escort if they only want sex.

id personally like to actually get to know a girl and have some affection even something as basic as holding hands.

too much to ask for if your an incel in the west tho.

 

[AlexAnguish]

After watching this.... I feel hopeless.

 

[Singularity314]

I cannot speak to for anyone else but in my situation it has very little to do with sex. I have gone the escort/prostitute route and this alleviates the pain somewhat for a short time its a poor and expensive solution. It has to do with an intimate mental and physical connection. By physical I mean touch, skin on skin contact. It is well documented that human beings require some kind of touch with others. If one is deprived of this, a whole host of health issues can result, both physical and mental. The issue arises when trying to make a connection with a woman where are are rejected without any regard for the kind of person you might be. I have also been on the other end of the spectrum 3 times in my life where I became very good friends with woman I wasn't initially very attracted to but over the course of getting to know them I became very attracted to them. They gave all the signs of possibly being into me but when I pursued something more, in each of the three cases I was shunned and our friendship faded into obscurity. This gives rise to the question where they really "real" friends at all. Some would argue that I was just friends with them to try to get into their pants but as I pointed out initially, I really wasn't physically attracted to them at first.
After a few years of having no physical contact with the opposite sex I heard about professional cuddlers. I figured this might be the same thing as using escorts but without a quite so high price tag, no sex and everything on the legal side of things. I have visited a particular woman for cuddle sessions at a price of $80/hr about once every 2 weeks for the period of about 1 year. I do have to admit these sessions felt a bit more meaningful than an escort and the cuddler and I had some genuinely nice conversations about many subjects we had in common. It did help relieve my stress a bit and made me feel a little better about myself. I realized at the end of that year that I was beginning to get emotionally attached to this woman I was paying to cuddle with and I was forced at that moment to bring it into focus for what it was.... I was paying someone to spend time with and cuddle with me. They would not do this if I wasn't paying them and the interest they seemed to have in me is manufactured for a pay check. This was of course an assumption that I wanted to prove to myself. I decided that if I were to ask her to cuddle just because we knew each other and got along with no monetary exchange, if she said yes I would continue to see her and of course pay her for her time. If she said no, I would stop seeing her and paying for her services. As you might have guessed her answer was "no" and I decided to stop seeing her and did not seek this service again from anyone else. You may ask, why I would have continued to seek and pay for her services if she said yes, I will explain. If she agreed to a cuddle session for no money just my company, than she might actually enjoy me as a person. Even if there was no formal relationship just a mutual enjoyment of each others' company it would have been a help to me just knowing a person of the opposite sex though that I would good enough to spend time with a physical touch without being disgusted. Because she said no, it tells me she does no enjoy my company and simply wants the money and does/says the right things to achieve that end. I find no fault with this, this is they way she makes her money and she gave me no false hope what so ever so she is blameless.
With all this said, no it's not only about sex.... is sex nice, of course it is but if that is the entirety of a persons problem than escorts/prostitutes will fix that. I believe is this were the case most people wouldn't be here because money would easily solve the issue.

 

[Celtics]

IKR!? Like there is this guy I knew back as a teen. He was in his late 20s and used to plow rows of cute blond high school girls at my school. He was basically Chad the criminal/drug dealer. He had been to prison, had a record, had tatooes, etc. Wtf...!?

Ted freaken Bundy had a fan club of girls. Like girls would rather date a serial killer than a well mannered individual like me or most of us here. That basically translates to "I'd rather die than go out on a date with you!" ....

In fairness to Ted Bundy that guy was adorable

 

[UndercovrNormie]

I've been a lurker for about a year, the vast majority of the ones who think that all their problems will be fixed if they just get laid are IT LARPers roasting their own posts for reddit karma; it has nothing to do with sex, and everything to do with what leads to sex: attention from women, respect from society, the confidence needed to go out on a date, etc. etc.

 

[Short Straw]

For me, it’s the opposite. To be blunt, in reality the only thing I’m interested in is sex - I will never bond with, confide in, or trust a female. In my head, I sometimes imagine being pair bonded with a female even going so far as to talk outloud to “her” when I’m alone. Unfortunately, in reality my hatred for females is absolute, unwavering and will remain so until I take my last breath. I hate them but I want fuck them so I understand why they don’t want to fuck me. Hence, I’m never going to get laid.

 

[Robtical]

Yes inceltears are stupid, they literally ignore threads like this and only goes for the most misogynistic ones so that they can say "LOOK THIS WHY YOU CANT GET GIRLS". We are all like you, we only want love from women. The desire for sex is easily extinguished by masturbation but nothing satisfies the need for love.

I think love's value is inflated by movies and the media. The most important thing is sex obviously.

 

[Deleted member 60]

it is tho. If it wasn't you'd be happy in the friendzone

 

[takERisks]

it is tho. If it wasn't you'd be happy in the friendzone

You need both simultaneously

 

[TheSlippwrySeal]

75% sex, 25% human connection

 

[Deleted member 60]

You need both simultaneously

agreed

 

[FlyFace]

That's precisely why we will never find love : it doesn't exist, or at least it isn't the thing we imagine at first. Chads know it well, "love" is only a relation of peculiar interest and "interdependance" (most of the time just dependance from one particular side to the other).

"Love" is nothing but a stupid sluts brain making her hole tingle in a good way. Nothing more nothing less.. and if you can't make that whore spread her legs for you it's over. Bitches deserve to live in bondage, hell they would enjoy it.. all the scientific evidence points to it.

One reason I came here is to make a post clearing up normies and antis view of incels. At least for ME it's not even about sex!

I keep hearing "why not buy a prostitute?" and all that about how anyone can get sex. Well if you're one of them lurking and reading this. NO! That's not the only thing in life I'm after! Yes it's a big part of life but a prostitute is not going to genuinely love me, accept me, and want to be in a romantic relationship with me. She just wants money! Which is ironically what a lot of normal women want too. What I want is to be hugged by a girl, accepted and liked! No I don't think it's your fault, or all womens fault because I don't have a girl friend (despite my best efforts). I understand you're literally programmed to reject certain guys who don't meet your thresholds and it's not your fault. Just like it's not my fault for being programmed to want to be loved in the first place. What can I do about that huh? I JUST want to be NORMAL like everyone else. I suspect I may have diagnosed autism. I'm pretty sure I do have it, but what can be done about it? I've tried so much, see my posts about me graduating, getting a good job, a car, a home, etc.

I do wish some "opposition" was allowed to post here because I want to know what they'd have to say to that. I don't think they'd have an answer. It's not my fault my brain LITERALLY PUNISHES me with EXTREME PAIN because I'm rejected by girls and considered worthless by you and society. Sure, the government might not want me to kill myself, because I'm a tax cow for them. But YOU wouldn't care would you? I don't get how these people can consider themselves to be on the moral high ground. You know how many men kill themselves every year!? I'd say many of them are incels, many of them are men and they did it over a woman. Idk what percentage, it might be the majority but the reason I suspect is a very large percentage.

I do understand however where you come from with wanting love from the holes.. but I can never forgive them for what they are.. and I hate them..

 

[imbored21]

get a gfe escort

 

[AlexAnguish]

it is tho. If it wasn't you'd be happy in the friendzone

Sure, like I said, sex is important but it's not the only thing. Honestly of you are doing better than I am. I'd count myself lucky to even be in a friend zone because my voice terrifies women so much they don't even want to friend zone me. I guess it's my voice. I really have no idea what it is since for some unknown reason they refuse to tell me. I've asked some, they always make up excuses. At first I believed them, but... after awhile I could tell they're just trying not to make me feel bad I guess... Closest I've got was "you're just not my type" or whatever idk. Closest thing I've had to girl friends were online conversations with girls, who always after awhile, stop talking to me. I've tried the always happy casual dude, the serious intellectual, the bad ass jock/chad dude, everything. After awhile they talk less and less to me till nothing anymore. Hypothetically, if I could find a girl who would do everything a gf would do and genuinely loved me, then I'd feel happy at least more so than now. I'd feel miserable about not being able to have sex, it would still depress me but I'd be in a much better emotional place than I am now.

It is tempting to hate girls. But when you understand human biology you realize humans, especially girls, have no free will. They only act based on emotion where most of us guys act based on logic. So they can't help it. Unless we do have free will, then they're just evil sadists or totally ignorant that by rejecting a guy they're causing grievous pain and agony. But I'm kind of leaning towards no free will, and if we do have any free will it's very limited. Idk, I could never really make my mind up in philosophy class pertaining free will and all that existentialist stuff. I wish I could just make myself happy to be alone and feel great about being rejected by the world but yeah don't we all wish for that?

 

[Modus Coperandi]

Sure, like I said, sex is important but it's not the only thing. Honestly of you are doing better than I am. I'd count myself lucky to even be in a friend zone because my voice terrifies women so much they don't even want to friend zone me. I guess it's my voice. I really have no idea what it is since for some unknown reason they refuse to tell me. I've asked some, they always make up excuses. At first I believed them, but... after awhile I could tell they're just trying not to make me feel bad I guess... Closest I've got was "you're just not my type" or whatever idk. Closest thing I've had to girl friends were online conversations with girls, who always after awhile, stop talking to me. I've tried the always happy casual dude, the serious intellectual, the bad ass jock/chad dude, everything. After awhile they talk less and less to me till nothing anymore. Hypothetically, if I could find a girl who would do everything a gf would do and genuinely loved me, then I'd feel happy at least more so than now. I'd feel miserable about not being able to have sex, it would still depress me but I'd be in a much better emotional place than I am now.

It is tempting to hate girls. But when you understand human biology you realize humans, especially girls, have no free will. They only act based on emotion where most of us guys act based on logic. So they can't help it. Unless we do have free will, then they're just evil sadists or totally ignorant that by rejecting a guy they're causing grievous pain and agony. But I'm kind of leaning towards no free will, and if we do have any free will it's very limited. Idk, I could never really make my mind up in philosophy class pertaining free will and all that existentialist stuff. I wish I could just make myself happy to be alone and feel great about being rejected by the world but yeah don't we all wish for that?

welcome to the site.
we are human trash. the bottom of society. No one cares about us.
stop seeking validation from society, you will get none unless you are chad or have a vagina.
women having empathy is one of the greatest lies ever created.

 

[Robtical]

It is tempting to hate girls. But when you understand human biology you realize humans, especially girls, have no free will. They only act based on emotion where most of us guys act based on logic. So they can't help it.

I disagree. In south east asia good looking asian foids have sex with men way below their smv, also 100 years ago femoids would regularly get married to be men who were their looksmatch.

Unless we do have free will, then they're just evil sadists or totally ignorant that by rejecting a guy they're causing grievous pain and agony.

They do understand. They don't care because they are selfish whores.

But I'm kind of leaning towards no free will, and if we do have any free will it's very limited.

Cope, stop making excuses for whores. They must be shamed and controlled.

 

[AlexAnguish]

get a gfe escort

Oh, good idea. I'll try it. I'm skeptical but I'll try it anyways, can't hurt right? I've tried other things. I bought this very experiences realistic sex doll and well... at first it was great. Like I hear from some lucky bastards that the feeling of sex is very similar to sex with a real girl. But... some of those guys on the doll forum are able to delude themselves into thinking that doll loves them back. I tried... really hard, to no avail. I knew in the back of my mind she's not real and I'm just make believing. I'll know the woman I'm with is only with me because I paid her money. Then I again I guess that might be how most relationships work? Idk...

I've had contact with girls before. In school every now and then we had group assignments with girls. They acted like they couldn't wait to get away from me. I swear to god I showered, brushed my teeth, etc. I didn't smell, I dressed nice, I didn't say negative things. I think it was my voice.??? I could see their facial expressions cringing when I tried talking to them about the project. Like... I could also tell they were trying not to make it obvious they were uncomfortable around me. If there was another guy in our group they would huddle over to him, even if he would normally be unattractive (like my fat nerdy acquaintance) It wasn't all girls I'll say, but at least a bit more than half. The others just didn't seem interested at all or something similar to that. I just think it's funny. The pecking order so to speak. Even the fat dude could get girls if they were placed in a situation where they had to chose to sit near me or him. They would choose him unless of course he was paired with another normie who was in better shape then he would be in my situation and they'd huddle away from him.

If I became a scientist these notes I used to take documenting my observations of female behavior would probably be useful.

 

[EyesAreSoCold]

it is tho. If it wasn't you'd be happy in the friendzone

No because then you would not feel loved since she is withholding sex from you and maybe at the same time giving it someone else. It's not the pleasure from sex that makes it so important, it's that by allowing someone to be so intimate you feel special and loved.

 

[Permafrost]

It is tempting to hate girls. But when you understand human biology you realize humans, especially girls, have no free will. They only act based on emotion where most of us guys act based on logic. So they can't help it. Unless we do have free will, then they're just evil sadists or totally ignorant that by rejecting a guy they're causing grievous pain and agony. But I'm kind of leaning towards no free will, and if we do have any free will it's very limited. Idk, I could never really make my mind up in philosophy class pertaining free will and all that existentialist stuff. I wish I could just make myself happy to be alone and feel great about being rejected by the world but yeah don't we all wish for that?

Have you ever turned it around and tried to imagine that girls ar intentionally or instinctivel rational beings from a biological perspective? Let us say that women chose partners out of their need to reproduce. They need a male with healthy dna for a child to get the best chance of survival, a male who provides for them and potential offspring, protect them from other males and dangers. From a womans perspective, a male who bears the markers of an outcast of some sort is, from a biological perspective, a bad choice to mate with. So if they chose to reject you it is not because they are sadists but because the choce of partner is an important one for their survival and they have to look after their needs as mammals?

 

[Incellectual]

That's precisely why we will never find love : it doesn't exist, or at least it isn't the thing we imagine at first. Chads know it well, "love" is only a relation of peculiar interest and "interdependance" (most of the time just dependance from one particular side to the other).

 

[Robtical]

They need a male with healthy dna for a child to get the best chance of survival, a male who provides for them and potential offspring, protect them from other males and dangers. From a womans perspective, a male who bears the markers of an outcast of some sort is, from a biological perspective, a bad choice to mate with. So if they chose to reject you it is not because they are sadists but because the choce of partner is an important one for their survival and they have to look after their needs as mammals?

Femoids don't reproduce with chads most the time, unless they want to end up being single moms dependent on the welfare system. Usually they wait until they pass 40 and then they're ready to settle down with a betabux cuck.

 

[ElliotLookAlike]

if we don't even love ourselves, who the fuck will?

 

[AlexAnguish]

Have you ever turned it around and tried to imagine that girls ar intentionally or instinctivel rational beings from a biological perspective? Let us say that women chose partners out of their need to reproduce. They need a male with healthy dna for a child to get the best chance of survival, a male who provides for them and potential offspring, protect them from other males and dangers. From a womans perspective, a male who bears the markers of an outcast of some sort is, from a biological perspective, a bad choice to mate with. So if they chose to reject you it is not because they are sadists but because the choce of partner is an important one for their survival and they have to look after their needs as mammals?

Well let's assume this is true, which it sounds like it.
We still have two choices. Either women are capable of having free will or they are not.
If they are capable of free will then these should only be some influences on decisions. They should still have the free will to choose to date those who don't fall within those parameters. The inability for girls to choose to date outside those paremeters suggest they are unable to exert free will in that area.

Also, being tall, having money, a car, etc. (I'll just say material wealth) should be an indicator of a good mating partner. Even if the individual is not great socially. I would think. If social status is really the biggest thing that predicts success or not then I guess I and others need to reevaluate what makes women attracted to certain guys. Because decent looks and money are apparently not major factors.


Almost... It's like when I think about it. Just.... thinking about women and biology it makes me think like... If I ever do find a girl somehow that would give me the chance. She is only with me because of some stupid biological factor hardwired in her brain. I'd like to think I have some sort of ability to change the course of the future and that all this stuff isn't just predetermined. If there is nothing I can do, and it's just biology, I almost view them and maybe humans in general as just biological robots. Is it really like this? It sure does seem like it, and maybe it is I guess. I guess this is what they call being black pilled.

Black pill fucking hurts.

 

[Permafrost]

Almost... It's like when I think about it. Just.... thinking about women and biology it makes me think like... If I ever do find a girl somehow that would give me the chance. She is only with me because of some stupid biological factor hardwired in her brain. I'd like to think I have some sort of ability to change the course of the future and that all this stuff isn't just predetermined. If there is nothing I can do, and it's just biology, I almost view them and maybe humans in general as just biological robots. Is it really like this? It sure does seem like it, and maybe it is I guess. I guess this is what they call being black pilled.

Black pill fucking hurts.

I think you are a bit inconsistent when you say that girl's preferences for men are stupid. What about your preferences for girls? Are they less biological or less stupid? I don't know about you but like girls with big knockers and I doubt that is a consequense of my free will rather than biology. From the dawn of time until less than 150 years ago, sex was pretty much the worst thing that could happen to a woman. Sex could lead to pregnancy, and pregnancy was more dangerous than going to war. A woman's need to maximise her chances of survival, and the chances of her babies to survive as well, in that situation is not stupid, it is pefectly logical.

I don't think it is either looks and money OR social status. Women wantmen with all those things. Thus, guys with really lo social competence and status seldom have money.

 

[Singularity314]

Hating women is not the answer in my view, this will only perpetuate the situation you find yourself in. As for getting a GFE escort, that is not the answer, it is still an escort and from what I have read on here most people don't want a pretend partner which is what a GFE escort is. Having an emotional, mental attachment is a large part of a relationship, the physical component completes it and helps create a true bond between two people. What I think is terrible is when a woman purposely puts a guy in the friend zone and keeps him there which does happen and has happened to me on three occasions and I have personally witnessed it happen to others I know. These women get something from these men in the friend zone consistently with little effort put forth on their part be it emotional support, entertainment, money or simply food. They get an emotional or resource driven need met while their physical/sexual needs are taken care of by others (Chads). There have been studies that have proved out the biological nature of this. It goes something like this, a woman finds a man who is intelligent, stable and is a good provider but isn't the most physically appealing. She has her base needs met as far as a stable home life is concerned. Then, she seeks out a physically appealing Chad who then gets her pregnant. This baby is then raised by the stable, intelligent man instilling good qualities in the child and a stable home life. So, from a biological and societal stand point... best of both words. Earlier in history this was highly frowned upon and would result in serious consequences for the woman if she was caught. This was also a time when birth control methods were not reliable and child birth was a lot more dangerous to the woman. with the advent reliable birth control, the removal of divorce stigma and the feminist push that it's empowering to be a slut and screw as many men as possible have contributed to why we have what we have today.
Hating only makes you bitter, the issue needs to be examined carefully, try not to hate, it's difficult but it gets you nowhere.
So back to the friend zone issue, when a woman knowing puts a guy in the friend zone knowing full well he has deeper feelings for her, this in my opinion is a form of emotional abuse. Unfortunately it is perpetuated by the abused because it isn't forced.... its consented to. If you know you are in the friend zone, you need to cut off all contact with this girl because you are getting used and simply having your time (and often times resources) wasted. I have wasted much time and money in the friend zone and I am convinced with only few exceptions that men and woman cannot be friends.

 

[TheGoat]

You can have a female friend and not try to fuck. That’s how I went on for a while

 

[Singularity314]

You can have a female friend and not try to fuck. That’s how I went on for a while

Why are you no longer friends, if I may ask?

 

[TheGoat]

Why are you no longer friends, if I may ask?

No we are still friends, I just don’t need her validation anymore, I gotta dog and I get all of the love I need from him

 

[Singularity314]

No we are still friends, I just don’t need her validation anymore, I gotta dog and I get all of the love I need from him

Ok, shrugging of that need for female validation is hard for a lot of people. It took me a long time. Having ina female friend can work for some but I think it s more the exception than the rule.

 

[Misery]

Well let's assume this is true, which it sounds like it.
We still have two choices. Either women are capable of having free will or they are not.
If they are capable of free will then these should only be some influences on decisions. They should still have the free will to choose to date those who don't fall within those parameters. The inability for girls to choose to date outside those paremeters suggest they are unable to exert free will in that area.

Also, being tall, having money, a car, etc. (I'll just say material wealth) should be an indicator of a good mating partner. Even if the individual is not great socially. I would think. If social status is really the biggest thing that predicts success or not then I guess I and others need to reevaluate what makes women attracted to certain guys. Because decent looks and money are apparently not major factors.


Almost... It's like when I think about it. Just.... thinking about women and biology it makes me think like... If I ever do find a girl somehow that would give me the chance. She is only with me because of some stupid biological factor hardwired in her brain. I'd like to think I have some sort of ability to change the course of the future and that all this stuff isn't just predetermined. If there is nothing I can do, and it's just biology, I almost view them and maybe humans in general as just biological robots. Is it really like this? It sure does seem like it, and maybe it is I guess. I guess this is what they call being black pilled.

Black pill fucking hurts.

Material wealth used to be important, but unfortunately for us it really is no longer a factor unless one is betabuxing, which is not even worth it. Women used to not have many choices, but now once given the choice on who to mate with solely based on looks, we are the ones that end up loosing.

 

[Robtical]

What about your preferences for girls? Are they less biological or less stupid? I don't know about you but like girls with big knockers and I doubt that is a consequense of my free will rather than biology.

Even though I'm attracted to femoids with nice faces, slim waists and big butts, that doesn't mean I won't fuck a fatty with an ugly face.

From the dawn of time until less than 150 years ago, sex was pretty much the worst thing that could happen to a woman. Sex could lead to pregnancy, and pregnancy was more dangerous than going to war. A woman's need to maximise her chances of survival, and the chances of her babies to survive as well, in that situation is not stupid, it is pefectly logical.

150 years ago femoids were way less picky, so Idk what you're talking about.

 

[AlexAnguish]

I think you are a bit inconsistent when you say that girl's preferences for men are stupid. What about your preferences for girls? Are they less biological or less stupid? I don't know about you but like girls with big knockers and I doubt that is a consequense of my free will rather than biology. From the dawn of time until less than 150 years ago, sex was pretty much the worst thing that could happen to a woman. Sex could lead to pregnancy, and pregnancy was more dangerous than going to war. A woman's need to maximise her chances of survival, and the chances of her babies to survive as well, in that situation is not stupid, it is pefectly logical.

I don't think it is either looks and money OR social status. Women wantmen with all those things. Thus, guys with really lo social competence and status seldom have money.

Yes. I've lowered my standards. They have not. Not even the fat or ugly girls. I guess I'm still a slave to my own biological urge to find a partner but I'm way more flexible. And sure, I like thin petite girls but I wouldn't turn down a girl who wanted to date me. What's logical? Chads sperm isn't going to decrease the chances she could die in childbirth anymore than the virgin loser. Back in the day, if you had lots of money you were on top of the pyramid. I mean I have money, plenty of it. So much so that it makes me depressed. I can buy whatever I want except for love. You'd think having free will would mean they would be okay with lowering their standards but no. Many women will simply remain single, even virgins when they can change that but they'll wait years or more. Sure, they don't desire sex like we do but good lord. It just really makes me not believe in free will. Otherwise people wouldn't be so predictable. But sure I get your point that their choices are logical in the way their body perceives the best choice. Though, I'm still angry as hell over this and this the concept of my situation is retarded.

 

[Permafrost]

You'd think having free will would mean they would be okay with lowering their standards but no. .

"Chad" back in the day was a guy with money and resources. He made sure his women didn't starve during pregnancy, henceforth less of a chance to die during childbirth.

Why do you think they would chose to have sex with you if they only had the choice? Why would that be their priority? Just to be nice?

 

[AlexAnguish]

"Chad" back in the day was a guy with money and resources. He made sure his women didn't starve during pregnancy, henceforth less of a chance to die during childbirth.

Why do you think they would chose to have sex with you if they only had the choice? Why would that be their priority? Just to be nice?

Yeah back in the good ol days I suppose. I have money just sitting, I might as well burn it. It's literally useless aside from paying land taxes on this property so the gov doesn't take it. All I do is work every day, eat, shower, go to sleep repeat process 5 days out of the week. I don't see the point in life. I still try to go out and talk to girls sometimes. Despite being rejected over 60 times irl, you never really... get over getting your hopes up just to be rejected and your mood killed. But what's the point really? Most days I sit near a bridge thinking about the pros of life vs death. Really I have a hard time seeing the pros of life. The only thing that keeps me living is curiosity on what new films and other things are coming out. I'm extremely curious.

As for her choice. Well... when it comes to free will vs determinism you would expect since determinism says we can predict things based on what came before the current then with free will we would not be able to predict these things. So you'd think that if they had the choice then even if most chose chad, some might have the free will to choose me. Afterall. I have money, I don't think I look bad. Can you say humans have free will if you can predict with 100% certainty everything they will do? And if they all do the same thing? Doesn't sound like free will to me.

Sure, I haven't asked 100 girls out yet IRL but god damned it doesn't seem like there is going to be any difference. I asked mostly average looking girls, a few hot girls just to be trollish knowing rejection was immediate, though a couple were nicer about it than I thought... and sincerely asked some fat girls hoping they might give me a chance. It was actuality being rejected by the fat/ugly girls that hit me the hardest.... Godddd damned it...

 

[Permafrost]

Yeah back in the good ol days I suppose. I have money just sitting, I might as well burn it. It's literally useless aside from paying land taxes on this property so the gov doesn't take it. All I do is work every day, eat, shower, go to sleep repeat process 5 days out of the week. I don't see the point in life. I still try to go out and talk to girls sometimes. Despite being rejected over 60 times irl, you never really... get over getting your hopes up just to be rejected and your mood killed. But what's the point really? Most days I sit near a bridge thinking about the pros of life vs death. Really I have a hard time seeing the pros of life. The only thing that keeps me living is curiosity on what new films and other things are coming out. I'm extremely curious.

As for her choice. Well... when it comes to free will vs determinism you would expect since determinism says we can predict things based on what came before the current then with free will we would not be able to predict these things. So you'd think that if they had the choice then even if most chose chad, some might have the free will to choose me. Afterall. I have money, I don't think I look bad. Can you say humans have free will if you can predict with 100% certainty everything they will do? And if they all do the same thing? Doesn't sound like free will to me.

Sure, I haven't asked 100 girls out yet IRL but god damned it doesn't seem like there is going to be any difference. I asked mostly average looking girls, a few hot girls just to be trollish knowing rejection was immediate, though a couple were nicer about it than I thought... and sincerely asked some fat girls hoping they might give me a chance. It was actuality being rejected by the fat/ugly girls that hit me the hardest.... Godddd damned it...

Would you like to tell us exactly how you go about it when you ask girls out? Like do you chat up random girls in the street or are these girls you know? How do you meet them and what do you say to them?

 

[AlexAnguish]

Would you like to tell us exactly how you go about it when you ask girls out? Like do you chat up random girls in the street or are these girls you know? How do you meet them and what do you say to them?

Hope I'm not necro threading but I just got a chance to look at this reply.

Most of them are girls I don't know. Like ... nearly all of them. I only knew a few girls in high school. since then I haven't known any. Most men apparently meet through mutual friends but lucky me all my friends also suck at talking to girls and don't have girls as friends. So I have no choice but to try to meet them with no mutuals. I know it's harder to do it but I've seen youtube videos with them doing it pretty easy. They get rejected more than they get accepted but they still get numbers. I can't. Idk what it is about me. My face? I think it's my voice. I posted pics of my face on a few websites and had girls rate me. They rated me about an average of 6.something nearly 7. So I know I don' have a good looking face but it doesn't seem to be bad either. So it must be my voice. I notice as soon as I start talking girls go from curiosity look to uh... shit lemme think of a reason to gtfo of here look. Idk... just a guess. it could just be me coming up to them. because sometimes they give the oh god what does this guy want look before I've even said anything when I'm walking up to them.

So update with my life. I tried online a lot harder this time. I got some girls to talk to me.... but they end up not talking to soon after so maybe it's not even my voice but the fact I have no idea what to talk about and am just making shit up as I go. Idk. Or a combination of a lot of things.... Most of which I can't help.

 

[Deleted member 10124]

One reason I came here is to make a post clearing up normies and antis view of incels. At least for ME it's not even about sex!

I keep hearing "why not buy a prostitute?" and all that about how anyone can get sex. Well if you're one of them lurking and reading this. NO! That's not the only thing in life I'm after! Yes it's a big part of life but a prostitute is not going to genuinely love me, accept me, and want to be in a romantic relationship with me. She just wants money! Which is ironically what a lot of normal women want too. What I want is to be hugged by a girl, accepted and liked! No I don't think it's your fault, or all womens fault because I don't have a girl friend (despite my best efforts). I understand you're literally programmed to reject certain guys who don't meet your thresholds and it's not your fault. Just like it's not my fault for being programmed to want to be loved in the first place. What can I do about that huh? I JUST want to be NORMAL like everyone else. I suspect I may have diagnosed autism. I'm pretty sure I do have it, but what can be done about it? I've tried so much, see my posts about me graduating, getting a good job, a car, a home, etc.

I do wish some "opposition" was allowed to post here because I want to know what they'd have to say to that. I don't think they'd have an answer. It's not my fault my brain LITERALLY PUNISHES me with EXTREME PAIN because I'm rejected by girls and considered worthless by you and society. Sure, the government might not want me to kill myself, because I'm a tax cow for them. But YOU wouldn't care would you? I don't get how these people can consider themselves to be on the moral high ground. You know how many men kill themselves every year!? I'd say many of them are incels, many of them are men and they did it over a woman. Idk what percentage, it might be the majority but the reason I suspect is a very large percentage.

Feel your pain op. Same here. Escortcelling is alleviation. Not ascension. I've said it time & again. I've also said I'm never entitled to sex. It's never been about that at all.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

One reason I came here is to make a post clearing up normies and antis view of incels. At least for ME it's not even about sex!

I keep hearing "why not buy a prostitute?" and all that about how anyone can get sex. Well if you're one of them lurking and reading this. NO! That's not the only thing in life I'm after! Yes it's a big part of life but a prostitute is not going to genuinely love me, accept me, and want to be in a romantic relationship with me. She just wants money! Which is ironically what a lot of normal women want too. What I want is to be hugged by a girl, accepted and liked! No I don't think it's your fault, or all womens fault because I don't have a girl friend (despite my best efforts). I understand you're literally programmed to reject certain guys who don't meet your thresholds and it's not your fault. Just like it's not my fault for being programmed to want to be loved in the first place. What can I do about that huh? I JUST want to be NORMAL like everyone else. I suspect I may have diagnosed autism. I'm pretty sure I do have it, but what can be done about it? I've tried so much, see my posts about me graduating, getting a good job, a car, a home, etc.

I do wish some "opposition" was allowed to post here because I want to know what they'd have to say to that. I don't think they'd have an answer. It's not my fault my brain LITERALLY PUNISHES me with EXTREME PAIN because I'm rejected by girls and considered worthless by you and society. Sure, the government might not want me to kill myself, because I'm a tax cow for them. But YOU wouldn't care would you? I don't get how these people can consider themselves to be on the moral high ground. You know how many men kill themselves every year!? I'd say many of them are incels, many of them are men and they did it over a woman. Idk what percentage, it might be the majority but the reason I suspect is a very large percentage.

Omg your avatar is so much nostalgia, Pokemon Gen2 for Nintendo Gameboy.

 

[AlexAnguish]

:,)

 

[Deleted member 1410]

pretty much but I think normalfags are too deadset on living a life of lies they don't want to confront the truth because the void is inescapable.

 

[Permafrost]

Hope I'm not necro threading but I just got a chance to look at this reply.

Most of them are girls I don't know. Like ... nearly all of them. I only knew a few girls in high school. since then I haven't known any. Most men apparently meet through mutual friends but lucky me all my friends also suck at talking to girls and don't have girls as friends. So I have no choice but to try to meet them with no mutuals. I know it's harder to do it but I've seen youtube videos with them doing it pretty easy. They get rejected more than they get accepted but they still get numbers. I can't. Idk what it is about me. My face? I think it's my voice. I posted pics of my face on a few websites and had girls rate me. They rated me about an average of 6.something nearly 7. So I know I don' have a good looking face but it doesn't seem to be bad either. So it must be my voice. I notice as soon as I start talking girls go from curiosity look to uh... shit lemme think of a reason to gtfo of here look. Idk... just a guess. it could just be me coming up to them. because sometimes they give the oh god what does this guy want look before I've even said anything when I'm walking up to them.

So update with my life. I tried online a lot harder this time. I got some girls to talk to me.... but they end up not talking to soon after so maybe it's not even my voice but the fact I have no idea what to talk about and am just making shit up as I go. Idk. Or a combination of a lot of things.... Most of which I can't help.

You are relly out of our league here... You gotta be a) high tier chad, b) extremely charming or c) master level at game to get a girls number on the street just like that.

Do you try and pick up ugly or fat women or du you go for the beauties?

 

[AlexAnguish]

You are relly out of our league here... You gotta be a) high tier chad, b) extremely charming or c) master level at game to get a girls number on the street just like that.

Do you try and pick up ugly or fat women or du you go for the beauties?

I tried literally all. Well... all within my age bracket. 18 to 35

 

[hapa_incel]

you said you got a good job, right? well the saying goes, "i may not have an amazing personality, but wait until you see my bank account"

 

[AlexAnguish]

you said you got a good job, right? well the saying goes, "i may not have an amazing personality, but wait until you see my bank account"

Not only do I have a decent job. I have my own house, my own car, both completely paid off... They don't seem to care much about that. I mentioned it in a casual way (trying to make myself not to appear like I'm boasting bragging, whatever.) and they're like oh well that's cool. Either less women are gold diggers than many here claim or gold diggers can't stomach the thought of being with me...

Or maybe unless you're making 6 figures I'm still poor for gold diggers. Idk, being in the middle class economic zone seems to be good to me. But maybe that's not considered good job? Is 60 ish k a year good or not?