It must be that we lived in a matriarchal social structure once we left the sea and began walking on two legs

[Deleted member 20056]

What else could explain the dependence that we have on Woman as a species? Intellectually we know they are fucking stupid, but we can't seem to escape our feeling that they're a kind of mystic and however they scrutinize us is worth serious consideration. It is as though Woman is a council of tribal elders. It is appropriate that a fortune teller is typically a woman, but what is the genealogy of our deference to her readings? It must be buried deep in our pasts.

 

[littlemanhikicel]

Maybe we have to rewrite our genetic code.

 

[IamJacksBrokenHeart]

What else could explain the dependence that we have on Woman as a species? Intellectually we know they are fucking stupid, but we can't seem to escape our feeling that they're a kind of mystic and however they scrutinize us is worth serious consideration. It is as though Woman is a council of tribal elders. It is appropriate that a fortune teller is typically a woman, but what is the genealogy of our deference to her readings? It must be buried deep in our pasts.

Fuck the feminine Mystique .
That was just invented so Men could brush off Stacys opportunistic behaviour as an irrational and ambivalent Mystery that cant be solved .
We need women to breed and feel good about ourselves .

 

[Deleted member 20056]

We need women to feel good about ourselves .

This is the heart of it. Why do we need women to feel good about ourselves? Where does their authority come from?

 

[tooth monster]

Where does their authority come from?

Their gene detectors

 

[Deleted member 20056]

Their gene detectors

But why do we, as men, care about it? Why not ignore it? Why does their judgment matter?

 

[tooth monster]

But why do we, as men, care about it? Why not ignore it? Why does their judgment matter?

I'd say it all boils down to our most basic carnal instincts. You, as a human being, are hard-wired to want to reproduce (unless you're mentally ill) and you need foids to do that of course. Therefore, they are the judges and their judgement matters more than some people think (what I mean by this is their judgement very easily influences other foids).

 

[Deleted member 20056]

I'd say it all boils down to our most basic carnal instincts. You, as a human being, are hard-wired to want to reproduce (unless you're mentally ill) and you need foids to do that of course. Therefore, they are the judges and their judgement matters more than some people think (what I mean by this is their judgement very easily influences other foids).

So for these instincts to be within us, then in our ancestral past women must have wielded the social power of judges. This state of affairs implies that women must have had theoretical force underlying what authority they had in a precursor to law, because we can overpower them to reproduce on an individual basis, but what we really want is for them to look us over, find us good enough, and accept us. We require their cooperation and affirmation socially, but not sexually.

 

[IamJacksBrokenHeart]

But why do we, as men, care about it? Why not ignore it? Why does their judgment matter?

We have yet to evolve .
Not on a biological , but on a spiritual level .

 

[Deleted member 19756]

Ever since the end of necessary reproduction, there's been an obsession with glorifying the vagina. It can't be but a simple smelly hole, it's an angelic smelly hole.

 

[Akhnai]

but not sexually.

I'm not really sure about that.
I think their role as sexual gatekeepers is why they used to lead mankind in the distant past and why we desire their affirmation.

As to why our ancestor desire their affection and not simply rape them and take thrm from other men,maybe because our ancestors found it easier to just persuade a foid and gain her affection rather than fighting a chad to take his women?
Could be wrong lel,i know nothing abiut evolutionary biology

 

[Deleted member 4159]

Bruh there have been females since the beginning of time.

 

[Deleted member 20056]

Bruh there have been females since the beginning of time.

What?

 

[Homoculus]

Personal opinions follow:
I think human societies in general were matriarchal until agriculture and other developments made it possible to acquire and store wealth. Men, living in groups of vaguely related people, interacting with similar groups of vaguely related people, generally took little interest in which children were "theirs". When everybody is a cousin or closer, and there's nothing to pass on to heirs but your reputation, a matriarchal society that puts group material interests ahead of individual interests works. As soon as stored wealth becomes a thing, men start to realize the current social structures don't allow them to pass their individually acquired or created wealth to their lineal heirs, because they usually don't for sure know who is the child of whom. Thereby the overthrow of matriarchy began. Note that so long as humans live in static societies incapable of producing surplus wealth, matriarchy works. Progress kills off matriarchy.

 

[Deleted member 4159]

What?

I was referencing your previous statement about us "leaving the water". There have been females ever since life began.

 

[CopeToNotRope]

We were mainly patriarchal tbh

 

[Homoculus]

We were mainly patriarchal tbh

I'm convinced by your highly cogent arguments. Much better that the gormless crap I posed.

 

[EyesAreSoCold]

What else could explain the dependence that we have on Woman as a species? Intellectually we know they are fucking stupid, but we can't seem to escape our feeling that they're a kind of mystic and however they scrutinize us is worth serious consideration. It is as though Woman is a council of tribal elders. It is appropriate that a fortune teller is typically a woman, but what is the genealogy of our deference to her readings? It must be buried deep in our pasts.

We need them for reproduction, the most important thing. They are weak and stupid, if we didnt fall in love with them so easily they would die without our protection and there would be no humans.

 

[Cleftcel]

once the artificial womb is developed and sex robots become realistic, foids will lose all intrinsic value

 

[Homoculus]

once the artificial womb is developed and sex robots become realistic, foids will lose all intrinsic value

And once everybody lives forever, funeral homes will go broke. Don't hold your breath.

 

[Honeypot]

We need them for reproduction, the most important thing. They are weak and stupid, if we didnt fall in love with them so easily they would die without our protection and there would be no humans.

males cucked themselves by evolutionary need

 

[CopeToNotRope]

I'm convinced by your highly cogent arguments. Much better that the gormless crap I posed.

I don’t have an insane memory to store all the information I’ve learnt

Really we were mainly patriarchal, there’s only been a handful of matriarchal civilizations and they are of little importance.

I remember seeing a detailed video regarding this but we need someone to study the history.

Women have always been much more dependent on the man than vice versa really.

 

[Homoculus]

I don’t have an insane memory to store all the information I’ve learnt

Really we were mainly patriarchal, there’s only been a handful of matriarchal civilizations and they are of little importance.

I remember seeing a detailed video regarding this but we need someone to study the history.

Women have always been much more dependent on the man than vice versa really.

Yes, I think few societies extant after the advent of agriculture were matriarchal, as I said.
You do have an insane memory that has stored all the information you've learnt, times 1000, at your fingertips. Use it. When I was ten or so, my main source of outside information was an off-brand encyclopedia from 1955.

 

[universallyabhorred]

Some sources state that in hunter-gatherer groups all men had sex to ensure group cooperation and bonding, while others state that very few men 1 in 17 reproduced which could either be because of high female selectivity or population limiting factors. Anyway if the former is true this would indicate that rape was a rare occurrence which means men found sex to be a vitally tied in with their social lives as part of a group, so they developed instincts to crave the approval of females for surviving in groups. In the latter case of high female selectivity, rape must not have been likely for a number of reasons else such a social order could not survive.

 

[Deleted member 1042]

Not all men care for women's validation. I'd say this is an imbalance of feminine / masculine traits, and those who care are more feminine. It's women who most frequently desire validation, hence their frequency in social media platforms and word vomit appearing in such articles:

I’m in Love. But I Still Crave the Attention of Other Men. (Published 2018)

Can a reader unlearn the sense of validation she gets from male adoration?

www.nytimes.com

This idea of needing validation for reproductive success is a bit suspect, given that rape and prostitution is a thing, and that throughout much history marriage and consummation wasn't even about love. In fact:

In America, prostitution was seen as a "necessary evil" that aided in marital fidelity, especially as a system that would allow men to obtain sex when their wives did not desire it.[57] D'Emilio and Freedman document that prostitution was not a crime in the early part of the 19th century, and thus brothels (or bawdy houses) were tolerated in American cities and the laws against individual prostitutes were enforced only occasionally.