Discussion Is the number of Incels and disenfranchised men growing? Do you think we can ever restructure society?

[cvh1991]

I’m sure we’ve all seen the articles posted already about how most young men are single while most young women are not.

I’ve also posted about how more and more men are dropping out of the labor force (as they should if they can honestly — why support a system that hates you and provides nothing of value while using you to prop it up and to prop up people that despise you). I would quit my shitty job today if I could without becoming homeless but alas our welfare here is basically impossible to get on unless you’re a single mom or seriously disabled but I digress…

Obviously we all know the statistics from online dating and speed dating. It seems like more and more men are waking up to the brainwashing and bluepill narrative.

The solution to me seems pretty obvious:
1) Women entering the work force caused a tremendous amount of damage to society. What happens when you double the labor pool while demand remains the same? Wages nose dive that’s what. This is reason you used to be able to support a family on one income.

It’s actually quite a bit a worse than that as demand actually went down since what happens when women pursue careers and higher education? The number of births per woman declines heavily. This is objectively bad because society needs ideally a uniform population with shared values to achieve low crime and high labor force participation/low welfare recipients. Immigrants are fine so long as they are well educated, will contribute to the economy in a positive way, and will adopt the society’s values of course. What is horrible for any country though is the Europe migrant situation or the USA nog problem where you have these growing cohorts of savage barbarians that do not share the values that built up the country and that commit tons of crime.

Anyway, people always argue that “well why don’t men just be stay at home dads” — because women are not usually attracted to “bums” that don’t work and provide. On every survey you’ll find they report dramatically higher levels of attraction and place more importance on their partner having a good job and resources while men really just care if youre young and not a hambeast lol. Shockingly to normie retards men and women are different who knew?

2) Abolish the welfare state for single mothers and enforce monogamy. This will mean Chad will not be able to just have a harem of all the women and women won’t be able to just live off the government at your expense despite you receiving nothing in return. Men are the net tax payers while women are the net tax recipients. There have been other threads on this very subject providing that data.

3) Women should not be able to vote if they are not required to be part of the draft like men are. Women historically vote for libtard shit and abortion as a unit. They are net tax recipients while men are net tax payers. This is despite men going to university less now lol. They will just recreate the conditions that ruin society for everyone else all over again. I’m not religious anymore but fuck if Islam isn’t based when it comes to women.

Part of this is that birth control and abortion should be outlawed and women will never allow that if they are allowed to vote. Why should they be outlawed? Because it would be dramatically more effective at cracking down on Chad harems and help us enforce monogamy and help society get back to the old family unit structure which built society to begin with. Birth control has unironically caused more damage to society than maybe any other technology in history. Think about it, it’s enabled all of the rampant degeneracy and Chad harems consequence free all this time.

4) I say outlaw things like Fake up and Heels and Software Filters. It’s manipulative lying garbage they use to manipulate the male psyche and it’s just lying. Notice when men do things like this where we wear lifts and such they openly mock us. Honestly I think this is why Islam makes women wear burkas. It’s because it limits the male monkey brain getting manipulated by beautiful women’s looks. I’m not saying we go that far by any means but imo those things I mentioned should be limited to specific special events only. Men have fatal flaws — basically if we see a gorgeous woman most men just lose their sanity and will hand them money or do favors etc. Maybe that would be overcome if we just taught men such that they could catch themselves but instead we basically teach men to be blue pilled pro women simps.

EDIT:

5) I’m adding a bullet about inflation since inflation is a huge way the wealthy rob the working joes. Basically inflation occurs then the company / boss raises their prices to compensate but they don’t pay your more so they’ve effectively cut your pay and pocketed the difference. It’s robbery where only the rich benefit as they have their wealth in assets that scale with inflation like homes (which no one can afford anymore) or equities. Maybe you could argue a very small amount of inflation is fine to promote velocity and spending in the economy but then you should also have laws requiring that pay scale with the inflation rate to prevent this kind of fucking robbery that goes on. It’s literal robbery and nobody seems to notice nobody seems to care. Imagine the outrage if there was not inflation but instead they directly cut pay. Makes you think. Also having a balanced government budget with a reasonable deficit should be valued more because the long term matters and you don’t want tax payer money all going to interest payments. Western governments are literally retarded and only care about the very short term and kick the can down the road which makes the eventual consequences worse and worse. Fools. Governments printing money forever can cause hyperinflation and then it’s just game over for the society. Even if it doesn’t cause this the workers are just fucked by inflation then the rich just import more migrants that will work for nothing and be slaves to prop the whole thing up.

 

[parzurnacs]

Will read the whole thing later

Men aren't dropping out of the work force, it's just that nowadays it's harder to get a stable job.

I live in a country where unemployment rates are 18% and my parents are always calling me lazy for not working when there's literally no job

All the young foids in my family pursued meme degrees and failed, yet they got jobs as waitresses because they're foids and they can network. And when they didn't work and NEETed nobody cared.

Fucking joke of a society

 

[Med Amine]

read every word
HIGH IQ tbh

People always argue that “well why don’t men just be stay at home dads” — because women are not usually attracted to “bums” that don’t work and provide. On every survey you’ll find they report dramatically higher levels of attraction and place more importance on their partner having a good job and resources while men really just care if youre young and not a hambeast lol.

true
toilets are against patriarchy as long as it dosen't affect them
every hole will agree to patriarchal values like paying for the first date, protecting the toilet when in public, helping in raising the kids and being the first source income to the house even tho the wife is also working.
but when men try to push patriarchal values on toilets then they're mysoginist

 

[PoodankMcGee]

The thing is that a lot of disenfranchised men dont develop class consciousness. Incels dont have solidarity with MGTOWers and redpillers and MRAs etc etc because the media divides and demonizes us so thoroughly.

Based solutions, but theyll never be implemented unless a lot of simps and cucks get blackpilled

 

[cvh1991]

Just something I thought of, part of the problem very well might be that women have their hormones completely fucked up by birth control and anti depressants.

If you read the side effects for birth control and the drugs most women are constantly on in western countries it is honestly crazy. I’ve seen numerous posts over time where women say they went off their meds and their libido skyrocketed.

Side note notice women want you and me to be tax slaves and pay for their birth control and mental issue meds.

 

[parzurnacs]

Women should not be able to vote if they are not required to be part of the draft like men are. Women historically vote for libtard shit and abortion as a unit.

If only white women could vote Donald Trump would've won the 2020 election.

The leftist problem is caused mainly by foreigners, because they massively vote left in most countries of the world.

The solution would be to only give nationality to someone born in the country AND with at least one parent having the nationality too.

 

[cvh1991]

I’d also say all of the trans and gay propaganda should be crushed viscously by society.

Instead of propagandizing post modern gender roles and attention whoring behavior (and let face it most of these people fall into the camp of either getting groomed growing up, failing with women so hard that in their mental weakness they caved to homosexuality, or they’re doing it for all the positive attention and sympathy and the victim complex status it gives you today — probably very few people if any are “truly gay” seems to me. I could be wrong here I suppose, but in any case this is not society should be evangelizing yet we are).

Rather society should evangelize and propagandize traditional gender roles, strong values that get people to contribute to their community and build a family with children. I honestly wonder if it’s conspiracy level shit at this point — it’s just crazy how madness has taken over the western world. And nobody seems to notice nobody seems to care.

Don’t even get me started on inflation and how the elites use it to pay their workers less every year while pocketing the difference. The system is rigged and it’s broken.

 

[Chudpreet]

It is growing, that should be evident by the rise of guys like wheatwaffles and the blackpill being more popular than ever

 

[hollowcel]

The thing is that a lot of disenfranchised men dont develop class consciousness. Incels dont have solidarity with MGTOWers and redpillers and MRAs etc etc because the media divides and demonizes us so thoroughly.

Based solutions, but theyll never be implemented unless a lot of simps and cucks get blackpilled

MTOWers, redpillers and MRAs look down on incels as losers seeing themselves as either chads or normies who are simply mistreated by an unfair society. they also have a lot of delusional beliefs about the nature of male and female dynamics, putting emphasis on money that no incel would make, repeating the mantra that "men age like fine wine" to themselves.

 

[cvh1991]

Will read the whole thing later

Men aren't dropping out of the work force, it's just that nowadays it's harder to get a stable job.

I live in a country where unemployment rates are 18% and my parents are always calling me lazy for not working when there's literally no job

All the young foids in my family pursued meme degrees and failed, yet they got jobs as waitresses because they're foids and they can network. And when they didn't work and NEETed nobody cared.

Fucking joke of a society

Women make far more money off tips than men. If you’re a hot young woman you can make big bucks everyone knows this but women get offended when it’s pointed out because they don’t like the truth when it doesn’t benefit how people perceive them. Also networking is dramatically easier as people are just nicer to women and affirmative action hurts us while helping them.

 

[cvh1991]

Will read the whole thing later

Men aren't dropping out of the work force, it's just that nowadays it's harder to get a stable job.

I live in a country where unemployment rates are 18% and my parents are always calling me lazy for not working when there's literally no job

All the young foids in my family pursued meme degrees and failed, yet they got jobs as waitresses because they're foids and they can network. And when they didn't work and NEETed nobody cared.

Fucking joke of a society

Also yes women get meme degrees because they’re really there to meet a future rich Chad and find a partner / fuck around seems to me. The job is just an after thought and so they go deep into debt then cry foul when they can’t land cushy office job doing nothing. Usually they’ll just get their husband to pay it for them though.

 

[hollowcel]

the west has made it abundantly clear that they will never negotiate over women's rights, if the birth rate fall to rock bottom they will try and solve it by bringing in people from countries where (ironically) women have less rights, then they will go on to introduce those very nations to feminism thereby killing the birth rate there. the inherent dysfunction of male and female relationships can just be brushed off as a natural consequence of the free unregulated sexual market place, which will be defended under the guise of a society that offers free choice.

 

[cvh1991]

read every word
HIGH IQ tbh

true
toilets are against patriarchy as long as it dosen't affect them
every hole will agree to patriarchal values like paying for the first date, protecting the toilet when in public, helping in raising the kids and being the first source income to the house even tho the wife is also working.
but when men try to push patriarchal values on toilets then they're mysoginist

Thanks mate it’s nice coming here because in the real world everyone thinks I’m a monster for having such views. But I think that’s because the media and education are carefully controlled by our opposition and women of course as a unit will always oppose anything that goes against their interests then shame and try to ruin anyone arguing for such policies. Doesn’t mean we’re wrong.

That’s the thing right? Just because a persons views are majority doesn’t mean they are right. We may be minority but I think that what I said in my post would ultimately result in a better society long term for most people.

Women aren’t even happy today, they’re all on meds for depression. People were built to have children and build a family. It is genuinely what people when they’re old 99% of the time will tell you was the most rewarding thing they did in all their life. And women act like being a stay at home trad wife is the worst thing in the fucking world. Retard that is the dream — tons of men wish they could quit the 9 to 5 and he stay at home dads. Unreal how everyone in the west buys into this fucking bullshit.

I agree with your points by the way, well put.

 

[cvh1991]

The thing is that a lot of disenfranchised men dont develop class consciousness. Incels dont have solidarity with MGTOWers and redpillers and MRAs etc etc because the media divides and demonizes us so thoroughly.

Based solutions, but theyll never be implemented unless a lot of simps and cucks get blackpilled

Good point. This is why I am against bashing those groups so hard. We have differences in view but ultimately our opposition is the same and we should work together seems to me.

It’s the only way we can possibly win — we need as many black pilled men on board as possible then those men need to vote and make their views known. Or just make some demands and stop paying taxes til they’re met. Or protest and prevent immigrants from taking the jobs so that real systemic fixes must be made. Something like that but we need a ton of people is the issue and the whole system is against us. I feel sort of hopeless about real change in my lifetime if ever to be honest.

 

[PoodankMcGee]

MTOWers, redpillers and MRAs look down on incels as losers seeing themselves as either chads or normies who are simply mistreated by an unfair society. they also have a lot of delusional beliefs about the nature of male and female dynamics, putting emphasis on money that no incel would make, repeating the mantra that "men age like fine wine" to themselves.

I get that, but what im trying to emphasize is that if we want the solutions to become reality we would need to organize a large number of men to seize political power—whether democratically or otherwise.

In any case, we would need numbers and infrastructure. More than 200 active users on one forum. I personally have no hope for such a things which is why i just bitch and cope.

Interesting how you mention redpillers' "higher than thou" attitude and obsession with money too. Reminds me of this quote in regards to socialism

Same deal with men and pussy

 

[cvh1991]

If only white women could vote Donald Trump would've won the 2020 election.

The leftist problem is caused mainly by foreigners, because they massively vote left in most countries of the world.

The solution would be to only give nationality to someone born in the country AND with at least one parent having the nationality too.

That’s a great idea I think

 

[mlcurrycel]

Men will never revolt against their own ethnicity. That's why incels need to make Incelistan

 

[based_meme]

High IQ. Excellent post.

Even if it doesn’t cause this the workers are just fucked by inflation then the rich just import more migrants that will work for nothing and be slaves to prop the whole thing up.

Literally Canada and half of EUrape.

 

[cvh1991]

MTOWers, redpillers and MRAs look down on incels as losers seeing themselves as either chads or normies who are simply mistreated by an unfair society. they also have a lot of delusional beliefs about the nature of male and female dynamics, putting emphasis on money that no incel would make, repeating the mantra that "men age like fine wine" to themselves.

I do think on average men age better than women and retain the looks we do have for longer — and this probably due to fertility windows and how we evolved.

Women are hot hot hot for a short window then fall off a cliff usually. Men never have that window but seem to retain their looks for a bit longer. How it seems to me at least. Regardless women will always have an easier time getting laid and finding someone to take care of them.

We also see the whole dynamic where women prefer men a bit older than them up to a point while men only prefer women in that prime fertile window.

Sadly you’re kinda right about MGTOW/TRP it’s a shame since really we should all be trying to unify against a common foe.

 

[ordinaryotaku]

It's rising fast. More people (6/10+ men and women) are meeting through dating apps, which leaves a lot of average and below men unaccounted for. Blackpill channels are growing at exponential rates. More men are joining forums like .is than they were a few years ago. I hope something does happen and hypergamous whores get bit in the ass hard.

 

[cvh1991]

the west has made it abundantly clear that they will never negotiate over women's rights, if the birth rate fall to rock bottom they will try and solve it by bringing in people from countries where (ironically) women have less rights, then they will go on to introduce those very nations to feminism thereby killing the birth rate there. the inherent dysfunction of male and female relationships can just be brushed off as a natural consequence of the free unregulated sexual market place, which will be defended under the guise of a society that offers free choice.

Good points mate — regrettably short of getting basically most males on the same page then getting all of those men to vote en masse and state their views openly I don’t know how we’d ever achieve real change.

 

[cvh1991]

the west has made it abundantly clear that they will never negotiate over women's rights, if the birth rate fall to rock bottom they will try and solve it by bringing in people from countries where (ironically) women have less rights, then they will go on to introduce those very nations to feminism thereby killing the birth rate there. the inherent dysfunction of male and female relationships can just be brushed off as a natural consequence of the free unregulated sexual market place, which will be defended under the guise of a society that offers free choice.

Nice avi btw, Persona games are kino.

 

[cvh1991]

High IQ. Excellent post.


Literally Canada and half of EUrape.

Thanks mate, yeah it’s a really depressing state of affairs.

 

[cvh1991]

It's rising fast. More people (6/10+ men and women) are meeting through dating apps, which leaves a lot of average and below men unaccounted for. Blackpill channels are growing at exponential rates. More men are joining forums like .is than they were a few years ago. I hope something does happen and hypergamous whores get bit in the ass hard.

If within the next 10 years some real change could be achieved that would be awesome. We’re reaching basically Fight Club levels of despair for men in western countries. God that film/book was prophetic

 

[based_meme]

@gymletethnicel

 

[mlcurrycel]

I’m sure we’ve all seen the articles posted already about how most young men are single while most young women are not.

I’ve also posted about how more and more men are dropping out of the labor force (as they should if they can honestly — why support a system that hates you and provides nothing of value while using you to prop it up and to prop up people that despise you). I would quit my shitty job today if I could without becoming homeless but alas our welfare here is basically impossible to get on unless you’re a single mom or seriously disabled but I digress…

Obviously we all know the statistics from online dating and speed dating. It seems like more and more men are waking up to the brainwashing and bluepill narrative.

The solution to me seems pretty obvious:
1) Women entering the work force caused a tremendous amount of damage to society. What happens when you double the labor pool while demand remains the same? Wages nose dive that’s what. This is reason you used to be able to support a family on one income.

It’s actually quite a bit a worse than that as demand actually went down since what happens when women pursue careers and higher education? The number of births per woman declines heavily. This is objectively bad because society needs ideally a uniform population with shared values to achieve low crime and high labor force participation/low welfare recipients. Immigrants are fine so long as they are well educated, will contribute to the economy in a positive way, and will adopt the society’s values of course. What is horrible for any country though is the Europe migrant situation or the USA nog problem where you have these growing cohorts of savage barbarians that do not share the values that built up the country and that commit tons of crime.

Anyway, people always argue that “well why don’t men just be stay at home dads” — because women are not usually attracted to “bums” that don’t work and provide. On every survey you’ll find they report dramatically higher levels of attraction and place more importance on their partner having a good job and resources while men really just care if youre young and not a hambeast lol. Shockingly to normie retards men and women are different who knew?

2) Abolish the welfare state for single mothers and enforce monogamy. This will mean Chad will not be able to just have a harem of all the women and women won’t be able to just live off the government at your expense despite you receiving nothing in return. Men are the net tax payers while women are the net tax recipients. There have been other threads on this very subject providing that data.

3) Women should not be able to vote if they are not required to be part of the draft like men are. Women historically vote for libtard shit and abortion as a unit. They are net tax recipients while men are net tax payers. This is despite men going to university less now lol. They will just recreate the conditions that ruin society for everyone else all over again. I’m not religious anymore but fuck if Islam isn’t based when it comes to women.

Part of this is that birth control and abortion should be outlawed and women will never allow that if they are allowed to vote. Why should they be outlawed? Because it would be dramatically more effective at cracking down on Chad harems and help us enforce monogamy and help society get back to the old family unit structure which built society to begin with. Birth control has unironically caused more damage to society than maybe any other technology in history. Think about it, it’s enabled all of the rampant degeneracy and Chad harems consequence free all this time.

4) I say outlaw things like Fake up and Heels and Software Filters. It’s manipulative lying garbage they use to manipulate the male psyche and it’s just lying. Notice when men do things like this where we wear lifts and such they openly mock us. Honestly I think this is why Islam makes women wear burkas. It’s because it limits the male monkey brain getting manipulated by beautiful women’s looks. I’m not saying we go that far by any means but imo those things I mentioned should be limited to specific special events only. Men have fatal flaws — basically if we see a gorgeous woman most men just lose their sanity and will hand them money or do favors etc. Maybe that would be overcome if we just taught men such that they could catch themselves but instead we basically teach men to be blue pilled pro women simps.

EDIT:

5) I’m adding a bullet about inflation since inflation is a huge way the wealthy rob the working joes. Basically inflation occurs then the company / boss raises their prices to compensate but they don’t pay your more so they’ve effectively cut your pay and pocketed the difference. It’s robbery where only the rich benefit as they have their wealth in assets that scale with inflation like homes (which no one can afford anymore) or equities. Maybe you could argue a very small amount of inflation is fine to promote velocity and spending in the economy but then you should also have laws requiring that pay scale with the inflation rate to prevent this kind of fucking robbery that goes on. It’s literal robbery and nobody seems to notice nobody seems to care. Imagine the outrage if there was not inflation but instead they directly cut pay. Makes you think. Also having a balanced government budget with a reasonable deficit should be valued more because the long term matters and you don’t want tax payer money all going to interest payments. Western governments are literally retarded and only care about the very short term and kick the can down the road which makes the eventual consequences worse and worse. Fools. Governments printing money forever can cause hyperinflation and then it’s just game over for the society. Even if it doesn’t cause this the workers are just fucked by inflation then the rich just import more migrants that will work for nothing and be slaves to prop the whole thing up.

I agree completely but I just want to add that it's naïvete to think there was no paternity fraud, no stepfathering, no single mothers, no hypergamy, no casual sex and no inceldom before the welfare state and hormonal birth control

 

[mlcurrycel]

The thing is that a lot of disenfranchised men dont develop class consciousness. Incels dont have solidarity with MGTOWers and redpillers and MRAs etc etc because the media divides and demonizes us so thoroughly.

Based solutions, but theyll never be implemented unless a lot of simps and cucks get blackpilled

We need Incelistan. Most MGTOWs would return to betabuxxing if divorce was outlawed.

 

[mlcurrycel]

It is growing, that should be evident by the rise of guys like wheatwaffles and the blackpill being more popular than ever

Wheatwaffles is a improoooover redpiller now

 

[Chudpreet]

Wheatwaffles is a improoooover redpiller now

Yeah, but I mentioned him cause he helped bring a lot more people (including myself) to the blackpill

 

[cvh1991]

I agree completely but I just want to add that it's naïvete to think there was no paternity fraud, no stepfathering, no single mothers, no hypergamy, no casual sex and no inceldom before the welfare state and hormonal birth control

Great point. There definitely was but I think it’s likely this a gotten far worse nowadays. One theory I think is likely to be true is men evolved to prefer young women who are virgins (we can see this across cultures and time) because of paternity fraud risk and thus men don’t like women that are promiscuous as partners.

 

[mlcurrycel]

I get that, but what im trying to emphasize is that if we want the solutions to become reality we would need to organize a large number of men to seize political power—whether democratically or otherwise.

In any case, we would need numbers and infrastructure. More than 200 active users on one forum. I personally have no hope for such a things which is why i just bitch and cope.

Interesting how you mention redpillers' "higher than thou" attitude and obsession with money too. Reminds me of this quote in regards to socialism
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Same deal with men and pussy

Society will collapse before enough men get blackpilled. Even if it doesn't, all the ugly men would rather crimemaxx to please women rather than taking their rights away. Just look at Brazil and African-American neighborhoods.

We need to walk away, break away, move away.

 

[mlcurrycel]

That’s a great idea I think

Look at Europe, they don't have citizenship-by-birth, they still vote feminist.

White women only voted for Trump because they're scared of Latina women stealing all the white men.

 

[Balding Subhuman]

Yes the number is growing, no there's probably not much to be done about it, because that is what the people in power want. They want to reduce the population. They won't let men restructure society, because its not in their benefit. Just give men porn and video games and let them drink and drug or rope themselves to death, they don't care. Automation is going to take over anyway so if there's less people then its good for the ruling elite.

Even Lenin said that the best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves, these retards like Andrew Tate and Hamza are definitely glowies. You don't go from a nobody to the most googled person, especially if you're part of something so demonized and silenced as the manosphere is, but Andrew Tate did it with some help from his glowie buddies. Tates father was a CIA asset, so is Tate himself.

These guys exist so at least men feel acknowledged. Not to mention men are pacified with entertainment, porn, video games etc.

 

[kek1]

If women exited the work force, men would have to work double to keep the economy in the same place. Even now sexhaver couples have to pool both their incomes just to survive. If the woman wasn't working they would suffer a lot. Trying to limit the labor pool to men will destroy the economy. It simply does not make sense to compare to the past when women weren't working and men worked 8 hours a day, the correct comparison is to the current situation in poor countries where both men and women work 12 hours a day to stay in poverty. If you think about it, only rich men have housewives. Though this is just for the present though.

Inflation means that companies are hiring workers to produce value. Deflation means that rich people are keeping their money in the bank to get compound interest or to simply avoid the financial loss that spending money on anything would incur. In other words, with inflation poor people watch the prices of things go up and in deflation they literally die of starvation, like in the great depression. That is a HUGE difference. Poor people literally die in the street during deflation. If the poor people are able to afford less over time from the combination of wages not increasing and cost of living increasing this is actually reflecting a much bigger and deeper problem in the economic health it is not a surface level issue. If you think about it if the economy was healthy then even if the wages stayed exactly the same, the cost of living would basically be constant or declining naturally from economic competition. The idea that inflation makes the rich richer because it causes the price of housing to go up is actually flawed because it's actually going up because people are buying houses through mortgages that they're going to foreclose and return to the bank so it actually makes them poorer.

No matter what the economic environment is, money always has value, because rich people are rewarded for deciding how to spend their money. The power to decide the allocation of capital is in the hands of rich people. They could just lose all their money too. When the stock market fell 50% rich people basically lost half this money.

I don't really mean to defend rich people though. What i am saying is that the actual problem that needs to be solved is how to increase economic productivity and efficiency. The reason the economy is inefficient is mostly due to regulations. Poor people should be able to do economic activities a lot more easily such as working multiple jobs as much as they want to , living in their vehicle instead being forced to live in a house, lending money to each other instead of having to use a bank etc. For example look at how many insane regulations this website has to follow. Imagine if this website was subject to way less regulations then poor people would be able to do way more economic activities at a much cheaper price.

 

[mlcurrycel]

Great point. There definitely was but I think it’s likely this a gotten far worse nowadays. One theory I think is likely to be true is men evolved to prefer young women who are virgins (we can see this across cultures and time) because of paternity fraud risk and thus men don’t like women that are promiscuous as partners.

Hymens are imperfect but have been used to check virginity for millenia. The first childbirth also noticeably changes figure/ratio of women from what I've heard, which would have been a second tier indicator of virginity before birth control(Egyptians had papyrus condoms and Romans had birth control plants)

 

[mlcurrycel]

Yes the number is growing, no there's probably not much to be done about it, because that is what the people in power want. They want to reduce the population. They won't let men restructure society, because its not in their benefit. Just give men porn and video games and let them drink and drug or rope themselves to death, they don't care. Automation is going to take over anyway so if there's less people then its good for the ruling elite.

Even Lenin said that the best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves, these retards like Andrew Tate and Hamza are definitely glowies. You don't go from a nobody to the most googled person, especially if you're part of something so demonized and silenced as the manosphere is, but Andrew Tate did it with some help from his glowie buddies. Tates father was a CIA asset, so is Tate himself.

These guys exist so at least men feel acknowledged. Not to mention men are pacified with entertainment, porn, video games etc.

Why do neo-Nazis keep making up fake Lenin quotes. I remember seeing a fake Lenin quote by neo-Nazis saying we must prevent the youth from studying even though Lenin's catchphrase was literally "Study, Study, Study!"

 

[mlcurrycel]

Yes the number is growing, no there's probably not much to be done about it, because that is what the people in power want. They want to reduce the population. They won't let men restructure society, because its not in their benefit. Just give men porn and video games and let them drink and drug or rope themselves to death, they don't care. Automation is going to take over anyway so if there's less people then its good for the ruling elite.

Even Lenin said that the best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves, these retards like Andrew Tate and Hamza are definitely glowies. You don't go from a nobody to the most googled person, especially if you're part of something so demonized and silenced as the manosphere is, but Andrew Tate did it with some help from his glowie buddies. Tates father was a CIA asset, so is Tate himself.

These guys exist so at least men feel acknowledged. Not to mention men are pacified with entertainment, porn, video games etc.

Reminds me of a fake Lenin quote about using sports to distract the youth even though the USSR constantly pushed the youth to hike, exercise, and stay active. I don't even understand what's bad about sports.

 

[mlcurrycel]

Yes the number is growing, no there's probably not much to be done about it, because that is what the people in power want. They want to reduce the population. They won't let men restructure society, because its not in their benefit. Just give men porn and video games and let them drink and drug or rope themselves to death, they don't care. Automation is going to take over anyway so if there's less people then its good for the ruling elite.

Even Lenin said that the best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves, these retards like Andrew Tate and Hamza are definitely glowies. You don't go from a nobody to the most googled person, especially if you're part of something so demonized and silenced as the manosphere is, but Andrew Tate did it with some help from his glowie buddies. Tates father was a CIA asset, so is Tate himself.

These guys exist so at least men feel acknowledged. Not to mention men are pacified with entertainment, porn, video games etc.

The rich think solar storms and climate change will destroy everything, so they plan to hide in bunkers and wait out the apocalypse .

Factory owners always feared excess population while desiring lower wages at the same time.

Andrew Tate exists because as hypergamy rises, the line between high tier Normie's and low tier Normie's rises too. Men who didn't have to cope with redpill improvement in the past have to start lifting, etc.

@cvh1991 thats another reason why we cant wait for the Blackpill to grow, each new batch of sexless men choose to go through the blue to red to blackpill pipeline before accepting the truth

 

[mlcurrycel]

If women exited the work force, men would have to work double to keep the economy in the same place. Even now sexhaver couples have to pool both their incomes just to survive. If the woman wasn't working they would suffer a lot. Trying to limit the labor pool to men will destroy the economy. It simply does not make sense to compare to the past when women weren't working and men worked 8 hours a day, the correct comparison is to the current situation in poor countries where both men and women work 12 hours a day to stay in poverty. If you think about it, only rich men have housewives. Though this is just for the present though.

Inflation means that companies are hiring workers to produce value. Deflation means that rich people are keeping their money in the bank to get compound interest or to simply avoid the financial loss that spending money on anything would incur. In other words, with inflation poor people watch the prices of things go up and in deflation they literally die of starvation, like in the great depression. That is a HUGE difference. Poor people literally die in the street during deflation. If the poor people are able to afford less over time from the combination of wages not increasing and cost of living increasing this is actually reflecting a much bigger and deeper problem in the economic health it is not a surface level issue. If you think about it if the economy was healthy then even if the wages stayed exactly the same, the cost of living would basically be constant or declining naturally from economic competition. The idea that inflation makes the rich richer because it causes the price of housing to go up is actually flawed because it's actually going up because people are buying houses through mortgages that they're going to foreclose and return to the bank so it actually makes them poorer.

No matter what the economic environment is, money always has value, because rich people are rewarded for deciding how to spend their money. The power to decide the allocation of capital is in the hands of rich people. They could just lose all their money too. When the stock market fell 50% rich people basically lost half this money.

I don't really mean to defend rich people though. What i am saying is that the actual problem that needs to be solved is how to increase economic productivity and efficiency. The reason the economy is inefficient is mostly due to regulations. Poor people should be able to do economic activities a lot more easily such as working multiple jobs as much as they want to , living in their vehicle instead being forced to live in a house, lending money to each other instead of having to use a bank etc. For example look at how many insane regulations this website has to follow. Imagine if this website was subject to way less regulations then poor people would be able to do way more economic activities at a much cheaper price.

Brocel, stop living in the 1700s. I used to be a libertarian like you. I don't even know whether to waste energy typing this out. Companies will put up hiring signs without actually hiring anybody. Silicon Valley is firing people in the middle of inflation. Falling prices due to efficiency also leads to unemployment without investing in new markets that can employ the recently fired. Poor countries have slave wages because they're forced into debt to rich countries, it's indentured servitude on a global country to country scale. Most white women have pointless jobs that can be destroyed without a fall in productivity, BUT a huge fall in demand and consumerism.

Capitalism = consumerism = feminism.

 

[mlcurrycel]

If women exited the work force, men would have to work double to keep the economy in the same place. Even now sexhaver couples have to pool both their incomes just to survive. If the woman wasn't working they would suffer a lot. Trying to limit the labor pool to men will destroy the economy. It simply does not make sense to compare to the past when women weren't working and men worked 8 hours a day, the correct comparison is to the current situation in poor countries where both men and women work 12 hours a day to stay in poverty. If you think about it, only rich men have housewives. Though this is just for the present though.

Inflation means that companies are hiring workers to produce value. Deflation means that rich people are keeping their money in the bank to get compound interest or to simply avoid the financial loss that spending money on anything would incur. In other words, with inflation poor people watch the prices of things go up and in deflation they literally die of starvation, like in the great depression. That is a HUGE difference. Poor people literally die in the street during deflation. If the poor people are able to afford less over time from the combination of wages not increasing and cost of living increasing this is actually reflecting a much bigger and deeper problem in the economic health it is not a surface level issue. If you think about it if the economy was healthy then even if the wages stayed exactly the same, the cost of living would basically be constant or declining naturally from economic competition. The idea that inflation makes the rich richer because it causes the price of housing to go up is actually flawed because it's actually going up because people are buying houses through mortgages that they're going to foreclose and return to the bank so it actually makes them poorer.

No matter what the economic environment is, money always has value, because rich people are rewarded for deciding how to spend their money. The power to decide the allocation of capital is in the hands of rich people. They could just lose all their money too. When the stock market fell 50% rich people basically lost half this money.

I don't really mean to defend rich people though. What i am saying is that the actual problem that needs to be solved is how to increase economic productivity and efficiency. The reason the economy is inefficient is mostly due to regulations. Poor people should be able to do economic activities a lot more easily such as working multiple jobs as much as they want to , living in their vehicle instead being forced to live in a house, lending money to each other instead of having to use a bank etc. For example look at how many insane regulations this website has to follow. Imagine if this website was subject to way less regulations then poor people would be able to do way more economic activities at a much cheaper price.

Companies with higher efficiency overproduce to increase market share and drive other companies to bankruptcy. Bankruptcy causes mass layoffs and decreased demand. Overproduction combined with crashing demand causes economic crashes.

 

[LeFrenchCel]

We'll never be able to rebuild society.
That's why it would be better to destroy it.

 

[mlcurrycel]

We'll never be able to rebuild society.
That's why it would be better to destroy it.

Build a new one.

 

[LeFrenchCel]

Build a new one.

 

[cvh1991]

If women exited the work force, men would have to work double to keep the economy in the same place. Even now sexhaver couples have to pool both their incomes just to survive. If the woman wasn't working they would suffer a lot. Trying to limit the labor pool to men will destroy the economy. It simply does not make sense to compare to the past when women weren't working and men worked 8 hours a day, the correct comparison is to the current situation in poor countries where both men and women work 12 hours a day to stay in poverty. If you think about it, only rich men have housewives. Though this is just for the present though.

Inflation means that companies are hiring workers to produce value. Deflation means that rich people are keeping their money in the bank to get compound interest or to simply avoid the financial loss that spending money on anything would incur. In other words, with inflation poor people watch the prices of things go up and in deflation they literally die of starvation, like in the great depression. That is a HUGE difference. Poor people literally die in the street during deflation. If the poor people are able to afford less over time from the combination of wages not increasing and cost of living increasing this is actually reflecting a much bigger and deeper problem in the economic health it is not a surface level issue. If you think about it if the economy was healthy then even if the wages stayed exactly the same, the cost of living would basically be constant or declining naturally from economic competition. The idea that inflation makes the rich richer because it causes the price of housing to go up is actually flawed because it's actually going up because people are buying houses through mortgages that they're going to foreclose and return to the bank so it actually makes them poorer.

No matter what the economic environment is, money always has value, because rich people are rewarded for deciding how to spend their money. The power to decide the allocation of capital is in the hands of rich people. They could just lose all their money too. When the stock market fell 50% rich people basically lost half this money.

I don't really mean to defend rich people though. What i am saying is that the actual problem that needs to be solved is how to increase economic productivity and efficiency. The reason the economy is inefficient is mostly due to regulations. Poor people should be able to do economic activities a lot more easily such as working multiple jobs as much as they want to , living in their vehicle instead being forced to live in a house, lending money to each other instead of having to use a bank etc. For example look at how many insane regulations this website has to follow. Imagine if this website was subject to way less regulations then poor people would be able to do way more economic activities at a much cheaper price.

Nonsense. If women exited the workforce demand for labor would skyrocket. Wages would go back to how they were where you would no longer need two people working to sustain a household. Yeah it would be a negative shock for the economy short term but long term it’s far better.

Wages are heavily depressed BECAUSE women entered the workforce while demand remained the same or even declined somewhat as people were having fewer kids. What happens when you double the labor pool and demand stays constant or goes down? Wage depression. It was retarded we ever shifted our system and fuck maybe it’s the elite who pushed for it knowing they could pay workers less.

 

[Namtriz912]

Amazing thread this was great to read! If anything society can be rebuilt guaranteed society must be destroyed for that to happen, new ideologies and smart people will prevail in the process.

 

[Breathingflaws]

Didnt read but based off the title question. No. In OUR time society will never be fixed but only get worse. Many of us will die, rope, be killed, or sit and watch on in utter horror and misery. its only bleak. If you think otherwise why havent men stood up YET? NOW? Exactly. Because this shits been going on for far too long.

 

[asocialcel]

Society will collapse if we don't legalize prostitution

 

[Breathingflaws]

Society will collapse if we don't legalize prostitution

Agree heavily

 

[cvh1991]

It's rising fast. More people (6/10+ men and women) are meeting through dating apps, which leaves a lot of average and below men unaccounted for. Blackpill channels are growing at exponential rates. More men are joining forums like .is than they were a few years ago. I hope something does happen and hypergamous whores get bit in the ass hard.

I hope so too but I’m not sure what to do other than vote and if possible drop out of the labor force someday to stop paying this rotten system my taxes. Sadly I can’t quit or I’ll be homeless. Most men are probably in that boat.

 

[cvh1991]

Amazing thread this was great to read! If anything society can be rebuilt guaranteed society must be destroyed for that to happen, new ideologies and smart people will prevail in the process.

Thanks man. And yeah, sadly the degree of restructuring would be impossible with the current system seems like. Other than a war which destroys everything then the victors rebuild after with a new societal structure I’m not sure it’s even possible. If such a war occurred odds are we would all get killed so maybe there’s no winning.

Though perhaps if enough men start voting on these issues en masse and if enough men are able to drop out of the labor force (eg decline in tax revenue) perhaps those in power would feel more motivation to accommodate men I don’t know.

Really it’s the rich elites and who controls the media, education, and propaganda engines that needs to get the proper motivation. For example, if suddenly every news station and every social media platform changed their policy and started heavy indoctrination of women to become stay at home mothers to rebuild society it would probably work. What we’ve seen recently is the opposite where those institutions have been pushing extremely hard for women to take careers instead. Also if the issues facing men were actually taken as seriously as the issues facing women, etc.