Serious Is the Black Pill All There Is?

[37YearOldVirgin]

[Disclaimer: Copied this from my comment in another thread because I'd like some more exposure and responses if possible]

Hi Comrades,

I'm new here and I want your honest opinions and advice. I just turned 37 and I've never had sex with a girl. My (twin) brother is Chad lite (not sure if I got that right). He's 5'10, decently built, and an 8.5 in the face, and had and endless string of attractive girlfriends since he was 18 and one marriage already. I of course go the shitty hand and am 5'5, 100 lbs soaking wet, and have a recessed chin, big nose, weak cheeks and jaw, and also bad skin.. I've only ever had one gf 20 years ago who fucked Chad A before me and cheated on me with Chad B after 5 months of being together. Obviously she never had sex with me during the time we were together.

I've always thought that it was my own insecurity about my size and looks, and betrayal/ rejection of my first gf, as well as my lack of confidence and beta qualities that come from my inability to defend myself against a sufficiently larger or alpha male in a confrontation, that lead to my continued rejection, and not only my small frame and weak features. And to be fair, I also haven't ever tried very hard to get in shape, develop personal style, read or learn a hobby or skill that might increase my social value or otherwise make me more interesting, or study pickup techniques or strategies.. and actually never 'really' put myself out there all that much if I'm being honest, although I have asked a few girls out here and there over the years and even went on 'one' date (that ended disastrously of course).

My bro' s current gf seems to genuinely want to help me succeed in meeting someone, and seems to believe that the Red pill would work for me (though she doesn't call it that). But she's said many times that, for her and her friends, if a guy is even a 2-3/10 overall, working out/ losing weight/ gaining muscle and basically getting a nice body will add at least +2-3 points immediately, having personal style and hygiene will add another +1 at least, and being very talented at anything at least another +1 (much more if it makes you a following on social media or earns you a decent living). Add onto that learning how to be confident and outgoing in social situations and talking to girls, and fostering an interesting and positive personality through reading and other kinds of personal development... and that sounds like there's at least a chance right? I mean, it seems like with enough hard work and dedication, ascending from inceldom could at least be logically possible right??

I know.. I'm new here and haven't learned everything yet, or been through the experiences that all of you guys have. But I'm 37 years old and have never had sex or known the love of a woman.. I'm basically a tragic comedy movie in the flesh... and I'm not giving up hope yet. I don't know.. what do you guys think?

 

[Deleted member 677]

Damn. You're a truecel. You have my utmost respect.

 

[Deleted member]

lol at taking advice from a female.

 

[Grapefruit]

37 is pretty late to hold onto the youthful naivete of hope, honestly. Good on you if it makes you happy, but it's an uphill battle beyond words at your age.

 

[Darthmat]

Welcome man.
I'm about to turn 30 years old and I got an assistant manager truecel at my job who is 33 and we have both pretty much given up.
A lot of what these guy's here say about looking in a mirror and seeing how your youth has vanished is so very true.

 

[37YearOldVirgin]

37 is pretty late to hold onto the youthful naivete of hope, honestly. Good on you if it makes you happy, but it's an uphill battle beyond words at your age.

Thank you. Yeah, I just feel like if I haven't really done literally everything that I can to be or do better, then simply giving up is just a cop out. Was I dealt a super shitty hand, sure. Was it waaaaay unfairly easy for my brother by comparison. Fuckin right it was. But we chatted on our birthday and I realized that he's put in work too. He's been going to the gym steadily for almost 20 years, reads constantly, worked hard and got a good job, and has a cool talent (he races motorcycles). He also said he asks women out constantly and is rejected by 95% of them, but that getting rejected and dealing with it is what made him more confident. And so I realized that I have to at least try before I give up completely.. and I'm not ready to give up just yet!

 

[manch]

that chick is feeding you bluepill cope. She would never date you. Look who she is with. chatlite. look who you are with- pillow. Your brother is giving you cope. All that about working hard etc is only possible for him as he is constantly being validated by women.

 

[Weirdcel]

After the blackpill comes the ropepill.

 

[37YearOldVirgin]

that chick is feeding you bluepill cope. She would never date you. Look who she is with. chatlite. look who you are with- pillow. Your brother is giving you cope. All that about working hard etc is only possible for him as he is constantly being validated by women.

So you really believe that if I improve my physique and get more built, learn to fight or get tougher, develop a skill, and learn to be more social and confident, then I still would have literally '0' chance? If so, please explain how that's true/ possible.
Yeah

Welcome man.
I'm about to turn 30 years old and I got an assistant manager truecel at my job who is 33 and we have both pretty much given up.
A lot of what these guy's here say about looking in a mirror and seeing how your youth has vanished is so very true.

Yeah... I feel that. I see the lines on my face and bags under my eyes, and realize that I've got no romantic life experiences to draw from yet.. and that's a tough pill to swallow. But I'm still here, and the way I see it, that means I still have time.

 

[manch]

So you really believe that if I improve my physique and get more built, learn to fight or get tougher, develop a skill, and learn to be more social and confident, then I still would have literally '0' chance? If so, please explain how that's true/ possible.

just take a shower bro, just go to the gym bro, just get a hobby bro

 

[Spidey]

Just so you know OP, your parents fuarked you over. I'm sure your twin brother was the favourite too.

 

[happiless]

Thank you. Yeah, I just feel like if I haven't really done literally everything that I can to be or do better, then simply giving up is just a cop out. Was I dealt a super shitty hand, sure. Was it waaaaay unfairly easy for my brother by comparison. Fuckin right it was. But we chatted on our birthday and I realized that he's put in work too. He's been going to the gym steadily for almost 20 years, reads constantly, worked hard and got a good job, and has a cool talent (he races motorcycles). He also said he asks women out constantly and is rejected by 95% of them, but that getting rejected and dealing with it is what made him more confident. And so I realized that I have to at least try before I give up completely.. and I'm not ready to give up just yet!

So if he's rejected 95% of the time after working so hard on himself, imagine your rejection rate as a 37 year old 5'5 male. For non obese foids (women) probably 100% for casual sex and 99.99% for betabux (an incel's relationship) if you don't have a decent salary. If you go for a fat single mom with multiple kids you'll have a decent shot though. Have fun on your redpill quest.

 

[Spidey]

that chick is feeding you bluepill cope. She would never date you. Look who she is with. chatlite. look who you are with- pillow. Your brother is giving you cope. All that about working hard etc is only possible for him as he is constantly being validated by women.

low IQ. Of course she won't downgrade but she is basically telling him to improve his looks, how is that a bluepill?

 

[37YearOldVirgin]

Just so you know OP, your parents fuarked you over. I'm sure your twin brother was the favourite too.

He was. But they didn't decide for things to turn out that way right? It was roll of the dice. He won, and I got fucked. My parents didn't mean for that to happen..

 

[manch]

low IQ. Of course she won't downgrade but she is basically telling him to improve his looks, how is that a bluepill?

because its TRP PUA mindset

 

[37YearOldVirgin]

low IQ. Of course she won't downgrade but she is basically telling him to improve his looks, how is that a bluepill?

Right? That's what I mean. She looks good and has her shit together. If I was her I wouldn't be with me either.. not the way I currently am. I'm weak, shy, awkward, have no hobbies, and all I do is work in my kitchen manager job. Sure my bro got dealt an extra 5 inches in height and much better bone structure. Yes his better genetics gave him the confidence to talk to women earlier and that created up upward confidence spiral.. and I got burned by my first gf ever, which caused me to spiral downward and become socially useless. And of course I kinda resent and hate him for his luck. But even if I take that away, I have to admit he's also a better man than me right now. He did 20 years in the gym, while I bought a gym membership once, used the free personal trainer for 2 weeks and then quit. He reads and has interesting things to say, and does cool stuff in his free time like Brazilian Jiujitsu and rides motorcycles. I do fucking nothing. At the end of the day, we're twins and I know he loves me as his bro, and I believe what he's telling me too. I think I can do better and I'm going to at least try.

So if he's rejected 95% of the time after working so hard on himself, imagine your rejection rate as a 37 year old 5'5 male. For non obese foids (women) probably 100% for casual sex and 99.99% for betabux (an incel's relationship) if you don't have a decent salary. If you go for a fat single mom with multiple kids you'll have a decent shot though. Have fun on your redpill quest.

Thank you. Yes, that's what I think. If I'm not fat, then I don't think she need be. But as a 37 year old man, what's wrong with dating a single mom? If I'm not Chad or even Chad lite, then why do I think I should be able to get a 22 year old Stacey? I'll be happy with a girl who's on my level. That's all I want. What's fair

 

[Spidey]

He was. But they didn't decide for things to turn out that way right? It was roll of the dice. He won, and I got fucked. My parents didn't mean for that to happen..

You don't know enough at this time but yes they inadvertently did. It is directly your mom's fault, there was no dice roll and there was no need to show favoritism but femoids can't help themselves and dads follow suit.

Identical twins or non-identical?

 

[NorthAfricanIncel]

If not LARP : Shit man I feel you. Dice was rolled and you were given a loosing hand. But that's no excuse to not give everything you got and fight to get what you want. You got motivation (something me and 90% of this forum barely have). So do what you gotta do. The fact that you don't have unrealistic standards means you can potentially get the female you want. Build your body, gain confidance and go get that female that's on your level.

 

[37YearOldVirgin]

You don't know enough at this time but yes they inadvertently did. It is directly your mom's fault, there was no dice roll and there was no need to show favoritism but femoids can't help themselves and dads follow suit.

Identical twins or non-identical?

Fraternal of course. I wish we were identical, haha. Then I'd be mr Chad lite, or he'd know how it feels to be me. Either way I think that would have been preferable to growing up in his shadow and suffering what that did to my self-esteem as a teenager. How could it be directly my mom's fault though? My dad and mom got busy, and both he and I came out as a result of the same genetic coin toss. It could have just as easily been the other way around no? Like I'd be the 5'10 8.5 face, and he'd be the scrawny runt?

 

[UBERCEL]

just take a shower bro, just go to the gym bro, just get a hobby bro

Right? That's what I mean. She looks good and has her shit together. If I was her I wouldn't be with me either.. not the way I currently am. I'm weak, shy, awkward, have no hobbies, and all I do is work in my kitchen manager job. Sure my bro got dealt an extra 5 inches in height and much better bone structure. Yes his better genetics gave him the confidence to talk to women earlier and that created up upward confidence spiral.. and I got burned by my first gf ever, which caused me to spiral downward and become socially useless. And of course I kinda resent and hate him for his luck. But even if I take that away, I have to admit he's also a better man than me right now. He did 20 years in the gym, while I bought a gym membership once, used the free personal trainer for 2 weeks and then quit. He reads and has interesting things to say, and does cool stuff in his free time like Brazilian Jiujitsu and rides motorcycles. I do fucking nothing. At the end of the day, we're twins and I know he loves me as his bro, and I believe what he's telling me too. I think I can do better and I'm going to at least try.


Thank you. Yes, that's what I think. If I'm not fat, then I don't think she need be. But as a 37 year old man, what's wrong with dating a single mom? If I'm not Chad or even Chad lite, then why do I think I should be able to get a 22 year old Stacey? I'll be happy with a girl who's on my level. That's all I want. What's fair

Oooooh boy, take the jaggernaut law pill boyo

 

[happiless]

Thank you. Yes, that's what I think. If I'm not fat, then I don't think she need be. But as a 37 year old man, what's wrong with dating a single mom? If I'm not Chad or even Chad lite, then why do I think I should be able to get a 22 year old Stacey? I'll be happy with a girl who's on my level. That's all I want. What's fair

If you hit the gym and so on the best you'll get if you're "lucky" is a really ugly female below your looks level since you don't have money. If you're alright with any vag you can get then go for it I guess. I'm not sure why you haven't fucked a prostitute by now though, that should be your first priority.

 

[Spidey]

Fraternal of course. I wish we were identical, haha. Then I'd be mr Chad lite, or he'd know how it feels to be me. Either way I think that would have been preferable to growing up in his shadow and suffering what that did to my self-esteem as a teenager. How could it be directly my mom's fault though? My dad and mom got busy, and both he and I came out as a result of the same genetic coin toss. It could have just as easily been the other way around no? Like I'd be the 5'10 8.5 face, and he'd be the scrawny runt?

PM me if you do want to know.

At the same time, you're nearly 40 and the way hypergamy is going, I think even if you improve your looks, your chances won't be much better.

 

[37YearOldVirgin]

If not LARP : Shit man I feel you. Dice was rolled and you were given a loosing hand. But that's no excuse to not give everything you got and fight to get what you want. You got motivation (something me and 90% of this forum barely have). So do what you gotta do. The fact that you don't have unrealistic standards means you can potentially get the female you want. Build your body, gain confidance and go get that female that's on your level.

Thank you!! I needed that positivity man. Truth be told, I wasn't always this optimistic. For the last 7 years or so I've been pretty much hopeless and honestly considered ending it more times that I'd like to admit. But honestly the heart to heart I had with my bro over our birthday really flipped something in me.

I'd always thought it came so effortlessly to him, and it wasn't until he told me just how hard he worked at it. The reading up on girls psychology, and the days/months/years in the gym and dieting. And the thousands upon thousands of rejections (and many of which came for reasons that have nothing to do with his face.. like confidence, style, timing, the girls particular 'type' or taste in guys. Or even just that they weren't available or in the mood at that point in time).

I mean, sure. A fucking 9/10 guy is gonna not get rejected MOST of the time, unless his target is particularly loyal to her bf or dating a millionaire or something. But same goes for the ladies too no? I mean, most of us wouldn't date a sub-human whale of a lady, and almost no man on this planet (married or otherwise) would say no to a 9/10 hottie. So if we won't lower our standards even a little, why would we expect them to?

And despite whether or not anyone here believes it was genuine, my bro's gf seemed to really care. She was surprised (and I think sad) to learn that I was still a virgin and super lonely, and wanted to give me any tips she could to help me improve my chances. I believe what she said was real. And do I think even if I did all that SHE would date me, no. I'll never look like my brother, and she's a solid 8.5 at least. BUT.. I do believe I can get someone that I will be happy with. And THAT's all I really want. THAT's enough to keep me going

PM me if you do want to know.

At the same time, you're nearly 40 and the way hypergamy is going, I think even if you improve your looks, your chances won't be much better.

Isn't Hypergamy just the fact that women factor a man's earning potential or actual resources much higher into the sexual market value than men do for women? I'll PM on the genetic coin toss thing I guess.

Oooooh boy, take the jaggernaut law pill boyo

Huh?

 

[NorthAfricanIncel]

PM me if you do want to know.

At the same time, you're nearly 40 and the way hypergamy is going, I think even if you improve your looks, your chances won't be much better.

I disagree. If your standards are flexible, even with hypergamy rising nowadays, you'll find someone. It pretty much depends on your standards.
If op can still be happy while making concessions on the appearance and/or has no problem dating a single mom (call it betamaxx or whatever) then good for him.

 

[th62eathhts2]

She is right. If you just went to the bone structure gym you'd slay.

 

[acnescarcel]

how do you cope?

 

[jet112]

i think the gym and luxury clothes will maybe add 2 points to your looks.
but hey, you never know right. try it you have nothing to lose anyway

 

[37YearOldVirgin]

how do you cope?

Not well. I drink a lot. And work a lot (which is incidentally at a busy sports bar/ restaurant where all the front of the house staff are gorgeous 20 somethings, and half the clientele is too) So when I'm not too busy working or being drunk to think about it, I'm pretty fucking miserable. . But hey.. that's prolly also why no fucking sane woman will talk to me for more than 30 seconds too.

I disagree. If your standards are flexible, even with hypergamy rising nowadays, you'll find someone. It pretty much depends on your standards.
If op can still be happy while making concessions on the appearance and/or has no problem dating a single mom (call it betamaxx or whatever) then good for him.

Thank you. My thoughts exactly. I don't think I could be attracted to a whale. But single mom I can work with, and I think with enough work on myself to make me more desirable and interesting, then I might even be able to land a 5+ in the face. After the years of solitude I've endured, I'll fucking take it.

 

[TrueAlphaMale]

My condolences

 

[Grotesque]

[Disclaimer: Copied this from my comment in another thread because I'd like some more exposure and responses if possible]

Hi Comrades,

I'm new here and I want your honest opinions and advice. I just turned 37 and I've never had sex with a girl.

Hi, I'm also a 37 year old virgin.

It's ogre.

 

[Crustaciouse]

Bro just give up it's over for you. If you couldn't get a girl earlier in your life then what makes you think you can succeed now when you are old and look worse then ever? That girl is giving you false hope, tell her to hook you up with one of her friends or she can shut up.

 

[37YearOldVirgin]

i think the gym and luxury clothes will maybe add 2 points to your looks.
but hey, you never know right. try it you have nothing to lose anyway

I don't know that 'luxury' clothes are necessary. Just some better sense of style I think. Get a little more built, grow a beard and sculpt it to hide that jawline. Maybe get a big sleeve tattoo, wear some jeans, t's, and a reasonable jacket. Maybe pick up a cruiser bike like my bro and start taking some Jiujitsu classes. Craft more of a rebel/ bad boy persona. Then the fact that I'm not earning 100k+ a year looks like a lifestyle choice and not a failure. Heck, maybe if I fuck a few prostitutes and get better at it, then I might even be able to convince a gal I have a little history there. ha

 

[37YearOldVirgin]

Bro just give up it's over for you. If you couldn't get a girl earlier in your life then what makes you think you can succeed now when you are old and look worse then ever? That girl is giving you false hope, tell her to hook you up with one of her friends or she can shut up.

Uh.. Because I never fucking tried before? Not really. Fear of rejection and failure made me depressed and not work on myself, and also not put myself out there. Why should I expect my bro's gf to do all the work and get one of her friends to give me a pity fuck, when I've just been a lazy useless pos for the last 15 years? Nah, earning that shit seems way more empowering imho. And contrary to your defeatist attitude, I actually believe I can do it.

Hi, I'm also a 37 year old virgin.

It's ogre.

Solidarity bruh (fistbump)

 

[Crustaciouse]

Uh.. Because I never fucking tried before? Not really. Fear of rejection and failure made me depressed and not work on myself, and also not put myself out there. Why should I expect my bro's gf to do all the work and get one of her friends to give me a pity fuck, when I've just been a lazy useless pos for the last 15 years? Nah, earning that shit seems way more empowering imho. And contrary to your defeatist attitude, I actually believe I can do it.

My Nigga are you even ugly? Because you are starting to sound like a failed normie not an incel.
And even if you aren't ugly, you have to realize that you are 37 years old!!!! People's lives are over by that point, the vast majority of people have settled down in marriage or are in long term relationships.
While you are a 37 year old virgin, how do you think you would compare to all the other single men in your age range that have way more experience then you?

 

[MilkTeaPill]

37 years old that's brutal. I think the age is without a doubt the worst thing. Even if I ascend I will most likely kill myself when I become 30 years old. Lifes trauma is to much to handle when you're old and you don't even have the future to look forward to.

 

[37YearOldVirgin]

My Nigga are you even ugly? Because you are starting to sound like a failed normie not an incel.
And even if you aren't ugly, you have to realize that you are 37 years old!!!! People's lives are over by that point, the vast majority of people have settled down in marriage or are in long term relationships.
While you are a 37 year old virgin, how do you think you would compare to all the other single men in your age range that have way more experience then you?

My Nigga are you even ugly? Because you are starting to sound like a failed normie not an incel.
And even if you aren't ugly, you have to realize that you are 37 years old!!!! People's lives are over by that point, the vast majority of people have settled down in marriage or are in long term relationships.
While you are a 37 year old virgin, how do you think you would compare to all the other single men in your age range that have way more experience then you?

Not well, I'll agree. But yes, I'm ugly. I'd share a photo, but not sure I want to give away my identity here. But yeah, I'm 5'5, 100 lb ectomorph, with alopecia, a short forehead, big nose, bulging eyes with bags under them, a weak protracted chin. Perhaps the only thing I have going for me is my hair, and I'm not fat. That's it.

Just the same, there are hard up women out there who've been through tough times too. Women who've escaped abusive relationships or been left by their husbands for younger sluts. Single moms who need a male influence in their lives. Other women who've maybe had a hard go of it socially or haven't been that lucky in love. They exist, and I'll seem a lot more safe and appealing to these types for sure. Trust me, I'm not going for 25 year old hypergamous gold diggers who've had 30 Chad dicks already. The other single men my age who have more experience and their shit together can deal with that (and good on them as far as I'm concerned, cuz I don't want none of it).

Come to think of it, from that regard maybe my age is actually working in my favor here, as there will be more woman who've been burned by Chad at this age, and who will probably be more receptive to an incel who's willing to put in the work to be worthy of fucking or having a relationship with.
By the way, thanks everyone for all the feedback and thoughts. I'm getting a real mix of opinions and suggestions, and you seem like a swell lot who got each other backs. It's pretty great really.

 

[Deleted member 677]

fuarked

Cuck.

 

[Spidey]

Cuck.

cope. it was promoted by Zyzz.