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Is spanking harmful to children – regardless of how it’s used and what it’s used for? Media stories about parental discipline seem to say so. But is this true? And if advice about parental discipline is getting better, why are children more anxious and depressed than in previous generations?

In 2018, the American Psychological Association’s Task Force on Physical Punishment of Children recommended a resolution opposing all forms of physical punishment. Although the Task Force cited five meta-analyses, they relied heavily on a paper that reported unadjusted correlations. They also ignored two stronger meta-analyses that concluded the harmful effects of physical punishment are either trivial or limited to cases of severe and predominant use.

In a recent book chapter, three colleagues looked in detail at the relationship between spanking and children’s antisocial aggression. They also looked at two other corrective actions: timeout & privilege removal and psychotherapy. They assembled the table below, which summarizes what different types of evidence say about each corrective action: is it harmful or helpful in reducing children’s antisocial aggression?


A more detailed version of this table that reports specific effect sizes is available here.
Looking at the first two rows, correlational studies suggest that all three corrective actions are harmful in the sense that they’re associated with more antisocial aggression on the part of children. (These are the studies on which the APA’s Task Force so heavily relied.) So children that are spanked tend to be more aggressive. But of course, this doesn’t mean the spanking is what caused them to be aggressive.

Turning to the middle two rows, studies that try to adjust for initial differences have much more mixed findings. The corrective actions appear to be neither harmful nor helpful, or in the case of spanking slightly harmful or slightly helpful, depending on the type of adjustment.

Now look at the final two rows. Randomized studies – by far the strongest form of evidence – suggest that all three corrective actions are at least somewhat effective. It should be noted that the randomized studies of spanking used spanking to enforce compliance with time-out, and only included children who were clinically referred for oppositional behavior problems. So one can’t infer that spanking is always effective. Nonetheless there do appear to be circumstances when it is effective, especially for the most defiant children.

It turns out that the evidence against spanking is surprisingly similar to the evidence against non-physical punishments and psychotherapy. How then do researchers end up concluding that spanking and other forms of parental punishments are harmful, while certain other corrective actions are helpful? They do so by emphasizing the part of the outcome pattern that fits their preferred conclusion.

If they support the corrective action (e.g., psychotherapy, Ritalin) they insist on randomized studies of the most appropriate versions of those treatments. But if they oppose it (e.g., spanking, timeout) they consider correlational evidence sufficient – despite the well-known dictum “correlation is not causation.” In addition, they cite studies that do not test the most appropriate use of spanking in the most appropriate disciplinary situations (i.e., to enforce compliance with time-out).

This biased approach explains why anti-spanking researchers cannot find any alternative that reliably reduces antisocial aggression.

In their only known studies testing other disciplinary actions, anti-spanking researchers examined 11 such actions via 76 statistical tests, but found no improvements in antisocial aggression or other outcomes. They thus oppose not only spanking, but also timeout and privilege removal – despite the documented effectiveness of both actions.

In one recent study by anti-spanking researchers, the alternative action of verbal explanations did prove beneficial. Yet the study failed to distinguish “teaching children the right behavior” from “addressing a behavior problem.” Of course, parents should use explanations and other positive actions as much as possible. However, those who refrain from spanking need effective alternatives when children are defiant, not only when they are ready to listen.

What does appropriate spanking look like? Parents of young defiant children were trained to use two swats to a child’s bottom to enforce cooperation with timeout. The purpose was to teach children to cooperate with timeout, and the back-up spanking was subsequently phased out. Its effectiveness was documented in four randomized studies of clinically defiant 2- to 6-year-olds. For example, one such study compared the back-up spanking with letting the child decide how long to stay in timeout. Compliance to maternal commands improved much more with the back-up spanking (from 23% to 78%) than with the child-determined duration (from 23% to 44%).

The other three randomized studies found only one alternative to be as effective as the spank back-up – a brief isolation period in another room. And in fact, the latest review of timeout variations confirmed that spanking and the brief isolation period were the most effective enforcements for timeout, even though both were opposed by professional societies.

Can you imagine professional societies opposing the two most effective medications for Covid-19? That is exactly what has happened with respect to actions for treating oppositional behaviour problems in young children.

A recent Harvard study found that psychotherapies for oppositional defiance are half as effective now as they were 30 to 50 years ago when spanking was the preferred enforcement for timeout. The only review that compared spanking with other disciplinary actions found that back-up spanking led to less aggression or defiance than 10 out of 13 alternatives.

Back-up spanking is effective because it is: non-abusive (not out-of-control due to anger); used specifically for defiance after milder tactics have already been tried; and used specifically with two- to six-year-olds. There is no evidence against this type of spanking. And children eventually learn to comply with the milder tactics, allowing spanking to be phased out. Indeed, the only study of phased-out spanking found that it was associated with better academic performance and more prosocial behavior.
 
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Is spanking harmful to children – regardless of how it’s used and what it’s used for? Media stories about parental discipline seem to say so. But is this true? And if advice about parental discipline is getting better, why are children more anxious and depressed than in previous generations?

In 2018, the American Psychological Association’s Task Force on Physical Punishment of Children recommended a resolution opposing all forms of physical punishment. Although the Task Force cited five meta-analyses, they relied heavily on a paper that reported unadjusted correlations. They also ignored two stronger meta-analyses that concluded the harmful effects of physical punishment are either trivial or limited to cases of severe and predominant use.

In a recent book chapter, three colleagues looked in detail at the relationship between spanking and children’s antisocial aggression. They also looked at two other corrective actions: timeout & privilege removal and psychotherapy. They assembled the table below, which summarizes what different types of evidence say about each corrective action: is it harmful or helpful in reducing children’s antisocial aggression?


A more detailed version of this table that reports specific effect sizes is available here.
Looking at the first two rows, correlational studies suggest that all three corrective actions are harmful in the sense that they’re associated with more antisocial aggression on the part of children. (These are the studies on which the APA’s Task Force so heavily relied.) So children that are spanked tend to be more aggressive. But of course, this doesn’t mean the spanking is what caused them to be aggressive.

Turning to the middle two rows, studies that try to adjust for initial differences have much more mixed findings. The corrective actions appear to be neither harmful nor helpful, or in the case of spanking slightly harmful or slightly helpful, depending on the type of adjustment.

Now look at the final two rows. Randomized studies – by far the strongest form of evidence – suggest that all three corrective actions are at least somewhat effective. It should be noted that the randomized studies of spanking used spanking to enforce compliance with time-out, and only included children who were clinically referred for oppositional behavior problems. So one can’t infer that spanking is always effective. Nonetheless there do appear to be circumstances when it is effective, especially for the most defiant children.

It turns out that the evidence against spanking is surprisingly similar to the evidence against non-physical punishments and psychotherapy. How then do researchers end up concluding that spanking and other forms of parental punishments are harmful, while certain other corrective actions are helpful? They do so by emphasizing the part of the outcome pattern that fits their preferred conclusion.

If they support the corrective action (e.g., psychotherapy, Ritalin) they insist on randomized studies of the most appropriate versions of those treatments. But if they oppose it (e.g., spanking, timeout) they consider correlational evidence sufficient – despite the well-known dictum “correlation is not causation.” In addition, they cite studies that do not test the most appropriate use of spanking in the most appropriate disciplinary situations (i.e., to enforce compliance with time-out).

This biased approach explains why anti-spanking researchers cannot find any alternative that reliably reduces antisocial aggression.

In their only known studies testing other disciplinary actions, anti-spanking researchers examined 11 such actions via 76 statistical tests, but found no improvements in antisocial aggression or other outcomes. They thus oppose not only spanking, but also timeout and privilege removal – despite the documented effectiveness of both actions.

In one recent study by anti-spanking researchers, the alternative action of verbal explanations did prove beneficial. Yet the study failed to distinguish “teaching children the right behavior” from “addressing a behavior problem.” Of course, parents should use explanations and other positive actions as much as possible. However, those who refrain from spanking need effective alternatives when children are defiant, not only when they are ready to listen.

What does appropriate spanking look like? Parents of young defiant children were trained to use two swats to a child’s bottom to enforce cooperation with timeout. The purpose was to teach children to cooperate with timeout, and the back-up spanking was subsequently phased out. Its effectiveness was documented in four randomized studies of clinically defiant 2- to 6-year-olds. For example, one such study compared the back-up spanking with letting the child decide how long to stay in timeout. Compliance to maternal commands improved much more with the back-up spanking (from 23% to 78%) than with the child-determined duration (from 23% to 44%).

The other three randomized studies found only one alternative to be as effective as the spank back-up – a brief isolation period in another room. And in fact, the latest review of timeout variations confirmed that spanking and the brief isolation period were the most effective enforcements for timeout, even though both were opposed by professional societies.

Can you imagine professional societies opposing the two most effective medications for Covid-19? That is exactly what has happened with respect to actions for treating oppositional behaviour problems in young children.

A recent Harvard study found that psychotherapies for oppositional defiance are half as effective now as they were 30 to 50 years ago when spanking was the preferred enforcement for timeout. The only review that compared spanking with other disciplinary actions found that back-up spanking led to less aggression or defiance than 10 out of 13 alternatives.

Back-up spanking is effective because it is: non-abusive (not out-of-control due to anger); used specifically for defiance after milder tactics have already been tried; and used specifically with two- to six-year-olds. There is no evidence against this type of spanking. And children eventually learn to comply with the milder tactics, allowing spanking to be phased out. Indeed, the only study of phased-out spanking found that it was associated with better academic performance and more prosocial behavior.
Considering the fact that Americans spank their kids all the time and they are some of the most spoiled people ever, I would sy that it's not effective.
 
It’s harmful to me
Go lay with Taylor you'll feel better
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its not a big deal
 
Consequences are important
 
Consequences are important
but children are very weak and vulnerable. They are not evil like foids . They are innocent . And yet this depraved illogical merciless society brutally treat children.
 
but children are very weak and vulnerable. They are not evil like foids . They are innocent . And yet this depraved illogical merciless society brutally treat children.
I 'memba getting spanked for shoplifting as a child...

I never did it again.
 
I 'memba getting spanked for shoplifting as a child...

I never did it again.
but still that doesn't make it a good practice.anyone can terrify someone with physical violence it not only applies to children tbh.countires like Sweden ,Denmark and Norway are not reatrded like third worlders and successfully banned the practice.i believe 1000 years from now this practice will die out.
 
but still that doesn't make it a good practice.anyone can terrify someone with physical violence it not only applies to children tbh.countires like Sweden ,Denmark and Norway are not reatrded like third worlders and successfully banned the practice.i believe 1000 years from now this practice will die out.
Fuck off nation wrecker!

Spanking makes people better people!

Most of the crime shit we see is from spoiled children that grew up to be spoiled adults.

Niggers, whinny foids, etc...
 
Fuck off nation wrecker!

Spanking makes people better people!

Most of the crime shit we see is from spoiled children that grew up to be spoiled adults.

Niggers, whinny foids, etc...
niggers love spanking. they do it their kids even wives. that's why they are violent and cruel and turn out to be criminals. whites and some asians don't practicer this evil thing because they are genetically less violent and more smart. spanking is an uncivilized and thirdworlder thing, often popular among curries, sands and blacks.
don't think I come from a household spanking never happened. I oppose this practice because my own curry parents spanked me into oblivion and I turned out to be a fkd up.
 
niggers love spanking. they do it their kids even wives. that's why they are violent and cruel and turn out to be criminals. whites and some asians don't practicer this evil thing because they are genetically less violent and more smart. spanking is an uncivilized and thirdworlder thing, often popular among curries, sands and blacks.
don't think I come from a household spanking never happened. I oppose this practice because my own curry parents spanked me into oblivion and I turned out to be a fkd up.
That's a good point. It only works on white people....
 
Fuck off nation wrecker!

Spanking makes people better people!

Most of the crime shit we see is from spoiled children that grew up to be spoiled adults.

Niggers, whinny foids, etc...
I resent against my parents still to this day who spanked me. I hate them
 
niggers love spanking. they do it their kids even wives. that's why they are violent and cruel and turn out to be criminals. whites and some asians don't practicer this evil thing because they are genetically less violent and more smart. spanking is an uncivilized and thirdworlder thing, often popular among curries, sands and blacks.
don't think I come from a household spanking never happened. I oppose this practice because my own curry parents spanked me into oblivion and I turned out to be a fkd up.
Although I would add you're probably only referring to physical abuse instead of consequences.
 
That's a good point. It only works on white people....
subhuman parents cannot cope with their subhuamnity so they cope by beating up their own ogrecel children
 
Although I would add you're probably only referring to physical abuse instead of consequences.
1000 years from now this practice will die out . and people from the future think people like you were child abusers. I believe in a future children have equal rights similar to adults and go for job and own property
 
Although I would add you're probably only referring to physical abuse instead of consequences.
spanking is declining and will go extinct. u r narrowminded and cannot fathom the things that will come in future.
 
Kill them then?

In uncle festers poison chemistry set
hoe can I kill them?iam not willing to put me in jail. this society sucks and that's why parents like this are allowed to thrive.
 

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