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Let's say you are an average/ugly guy. An equally ugly (or uglier) girl with absolute no kind of forms, big glasses, short, tiny and skinny. I mean we talk about a girl that is probably 3 or 4 out of 10. Maybe even less. There is absolutely nothing sexy that can come out of her. A girl that absolutely no guy would ever bat an eye on at the streets. She looks like that typical geek girl on cartoons. Heck even the fat girls is more sexy than her... If she is interested in you, and you show no interest back, can you still be considered an incel? Its like impossible to fuck her since your dick will never rise. It is impossible to have sexual fantasies about this type of girl.

This is my hypothetical example. Feel free to discuss.
 
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You would be volcel imo
 
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If she is interested and you spurned her advances, it makes you volcel. What you want doesn't matter. And this is coming from a staceysexual standardscel
 
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It reminds me of a fictional tale I wrote:

The protagonist of our story is a man named "Aspie John" and involves a woman named "Anxious Jane".

Aspie John meets Anxious Jane in "High School".

Anxious Jane is in Special Ed for severe anxiety, and so is Aspie John. Aspie John and Anxious Jane appear to have some mutual attraction at times, given Anxious Jane would always make the same "anxious" hand-fiddling gestures as Aspie John.

Anxious Jane, however, always manages to next to the tallest kid in the room, which is odd given he sits alone in an otherwise empty row of desks. When Tall Kid helps the teacher pick up classroom litter, Anxious Jane suddenly bolts up and quickly joins them. Aspie John remains seated due to anxiety. After some time, Tall Kid starts to sit with other kids in the classroom, leaving Anxious Jane sitting alone each day. He sits across from Aspie John.

Three years later...

Aspie John and Anxious Jane are in different Special Ed classrooms. Anxious Jane speaks of wanting to be in a "relationship" with Aspie John. There is a catch, however: Anxious Jane regularly wears ponytails and make-up for the Tall Kid in her new classroom. She would flirt with this man in class(Which frustrated her teacher) and would also chat with him over text and social media, all while sometimes making friendly gestures towards Aspie John in passing through the hallway.

On a certain occasion, though, Aspie John encounters Anxious Jane in a hospital lab waiting room. Anxious Jane makes "romantic" gestures towards Aspie John. Aspie John, being a very coy man, is reluctant to approach Anxious Jane. As he prepares to approach her, he recalls her heavy flirtation with Tall Kid in her new classroom. He also remembers hearing her teacher say, "Why is Anxious Jane flirting with Tall Kid? She already has a boyfriend."

He then decides to ignore her and covers himself with a hoodie.

A few days later, Aspie John overhears a teacher speaking of himself and Anxious Jane - "He's so sensitive! Oh my goodness! They were just joking!" - Note that this is after months of flirting and closeness between Anxious Jane and Tall Kid. Shortly after that, Anxious Jane flirts with Tall Kid in her classroom, telling him "P-Please don't call my phone number".

An interesting story of "signals" and cues, yes?

Correct. Let me continue with the story of Aspie John:

In Special Ed, Aspie John was referred to the school psychologist. The school psychologist, who also saw Anxious Jane, encouraged Aspie John to speak to Anxious Jane.

"You should speak to Jane!"(S.P)

"I'm not sure..."(A.J)

"Try speaking to Anxious Jane! She would love to have someone to speak to!"(S.P)

"Okay, I think I'll try..."(A.J)

Aspie John would go home anxiously each day and think incessantly of his fellow classmates. He would feel very, depressed, jittery and uncomfortable due to a restless mind. Thinking of Anxious Jane only worsened it.

The teacher criticized Aspie John several times for his inability to socialize with Anxious Jane, who had little problem socializing with kids at social clubs she attended. She would criticize Aspie John's statements of "Managing his classroom anxiety" yet constantly gave Anxious Jane exemptions for her inability to recount her night(The teacher would ask everyone about it daily).

Furthermore, Anxious Jane was desired by nearly every male in the class. Aspie John was ignored to the extent of needing the teacher(Or, on one occasion, the Hispanic kid) to do class activities. One boy quickly sat near Anxious Jane and wrapped his arms around her during a class project.

"Jane, It's okay sweetie. Come pair with me."

As for the "speaking", Anxious Jane's hand-fiddling gestures, as well as her decision to mimic several of Aspie John's other avoidant behaviors, led to criticism from the Phys. Ed teacher, who said:

"Jane was playing with her hands instead of working on her activities. I think we have a dynamic there. Keep that in check."

Anxious Jane then frowned at Aspie John and started coming to school without her glasses(To impress Tall Kid).

Aspie John was also switched to other classroom duties after Anxious Jane wrote her "message" to him via homework.

A certain (respectable) Hispanic boy said of Jane:

"Is Jane still going to be in our classroom?"(He asked this after Aspie John was told that he would remain in the current classroom; unprovoked information)

"No. She'll be switched into the other classroom."(Teacher)

Anxious Jane stopped coming to school until she was switched into another classroom for reasons unknown to Aspie John. She was, of course, shifting to Option #1: Tall Kid.

Platony:

Our dear protagonist, Aspie John, enjoys another day during his stint in class when he encounters a new kid: Short Morena.

Short Morena is a depressed, somewhat anxious girl of about fifteen-years of age with bipolar disorder. She has mood swings, chronic migraines and a clear distaste for vain youth, much like Aspie John. He also notices her similar self-harm behaviors. They do not immediately chat, however.

After a month or so, Aspie John develops an attraction to Short Morena, since she is humble, serious and non-flirtatious, something quite different from the behavior/personality of Anxious Jane. The two participate in a gym activity with the Phys. Ed teacher, during which Short Morena grabs Aspie John's hand to help him cross the web used for the activity. He thanks her and the two receive praise from the Phys Ed. teacher for working together. In another gym activity involving sports, she offers advice to Aspie John as he struggles to push a puck with a stick due to his motor coordination problems.

Short Morena begins to greet Aspie John, which he responds to with "Hello". Days go on, and Short Morena asks Aspie John if he wishes to play a game with her, since he sits alone daily and stutters, which he declines. One day, the class prepares to go outside for a walk, which causes Short Morena to speak to Aspie John:

"Shouldn't you get your jacket, Aspie John?"

"Yes, I think I should..."

Short Morena then informs the teacher, and Aspie John gets his coat. It is, after all, a very cold day in March 2016. A day or so later, a new kid joins the class, Unkind Blondie. Unkind Blondie argues with other classroom kids over something fairly meaningless, and is sent to a new classroom as a result. After the argument, Short Morena asks Aspie John:

"Were you bothered by the class argument?"

"No, I was not"

"Okay"

The two enter the school lobby in preparation to leave, and Short Morena asks Aspie John, "Did you have a good day?", which he replies "Yes" to. She then says, "I see your ride outside", and Aspie John leaves.

Gradually, Aspie John becomes deeply attracted to Short Morena and finds himself heavy with anxiety at the thought of seeing her each day. He takes note of her problems as she speaks to the teacher and notes statements such as "I feel like a disgusting bipolar girl". The teachers says "She has a flat affect", which Aspie John is already aware of. He starts to envision himself chatting with her about various different things, even though it pains him since stutters and is too anxious to form a friendship with her.

Soon, Aspie John learns that Short Morena will be moving and transferring to a different school soon, which greatly saddens him. He also stays home for several days due to his encounter with Anxious Jane in the hospital waiting room. Upon returning to school, he participates in a class game with the other students, a game of Mad-Libs. That day is also Short Morena's last day of school.

As Aspie John starts to relay his answers to the class, Short Morena starts laughing happily at each answer and votes for him when the teacher asks the class which student provided the best answers, which causes him to become very jittery from anxiety yet calm.

As the two students leave class, Short Morena says "Bye, Aspie John" in a kind tone to Aspie John, which causes him to reply with a calm "Ok". He is grateful to have met her, though he knows she views him only as someone to be pitied for his illnesses.

The very next day, however:

"I think Aspie John was extremely hurt when we discussed the behavior of Anxious Jane and Tall Kid. He was covering himself up with a hoodie upon seeing her."

"He's so sensitive! Oh my goodness! They were just joking!"

"If Aspie John wanted someone more like him, why didn't he just..."

The other kids in the classroom then start whispering about it and Aspie John overhears them, filling him with shame and embarrassment. He still misses Short Morena. Days before school graduation, Aspie John overhears two teachers discussing him and Anxious Jane:

"So, Anxious Jane is graduating soon"

"When Anxious Jane realizes how difficult it will be to communicate with Aspie John, she'll be crying"

"No, I think she'll be okay. She has plenty of friends and support"

Upon hearing this, two students sitting in the front row of Aspie John, a boy and a girl, whisper and immediately afterwards say to one another:

"Hi Mulatto Boy" - To an autistic child

"Hi Mulatta Girl"

Aspie John assumes they are laughing at him, as he is already anxious and very depressed on this particular day, given he has ASD-related attachment. He has no actual intention to "reconcile" with Anxious Jane, since she has a clear preference for "high status" White males. When a teacher asks him of his opinion of his time in the classroom, he simply responds with "Ambivalent".

As Aspie John leaves his classroom for the final time, the teacher provides him with copies of each homework sheet he submitted. Aspie John is very grateful and thanks him before leaving, with slightly teary eyes not visible to the teacher.
 
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>short
>tiny
>skinny

Are you are calling her ugly :dafuckfeels:
She must b deformed or somefin
 
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That's supposed to be an ugly girl you're describing?
 
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And now, a listing of story names is in order. I've offered a brief description for each.

Females:

Azalea(Redheaded Castiza/White)
Natasha(White)
Christanay(Black)
Layla(Black)
Samantha(Black)
Kira(Black)
Joyniqua(Black)
Gwendolyn(White)
Sarah(#1; White)
Ocean(Black)
Kaja(White)

Jenna(14-year-old Blonde; White)
Savannah(White)
Natalie(Blonde White)
Hailee(White)
Katia/Katerina(Blonde White)
Bianca(Redheaded Castiza/White)
Alli(Light-skinned Black)
Sarah(#2; White)
Short Morena(D.D; Castiza/White)
Elise(Mulatta Girl; Mulatta)
Jennifer(Blonde White)
Mariah(White)
Roxanne(White)
Hope(White)
Calista(Blonde White Stacylite)

Males:

Luis(Mestizo)
D.J(White)
Corey(Blonde White; Short)
Joshua(#1; Black)
Damani(Black)
Zamonte(Black)
Leandro(Cuban Mestizo)
Giovanni(White)
Joshua(#2; Blonde White)
Trayvon(Black)
Sean(Black)
Jacques(Black)

Anthony(White)
Brett(White)
Donovan(Black)
Jake(White)
Ramon(Black)
Kevin(White)
Joseph(Mulatto)

Listing is complete, for now...
 
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If she is interested and you spurned her advances, it makes you volcel. What you want doesn't matter. And this is coming from a staceysexual standardscel
How are you volcel when you want to fuck a girl that is objectively good looking? You are still in an involuntary celibacy.
 
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>short
>tiny
>skinny

Are you are calling her ugly :dafuckfeels:
She must b deformed or somefin
The girl in my example has absolutely no tits, no ass. Absolutely nothing. The face is horrible and she wears big glasses...
 
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If you actually had a girl like you describe that was dtf then you'd be volcel sir. I don't mind it since you oughta have some standards but keep in mind most of us have never had that. Also watch out for the ban hammer
 
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Yes. She can looksmaxx easily
 
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How are you volcel when you want to fuck a girl that is objectively good looking? You are still in an involuntary celibacy.
your standards dont mean shit with volcel and incel. you only go from incel to volcel when you reject a girl. you can be staceysexual and still incel because no girl is interested in you, regardless of how she looks. but the second you reject a foid that makes you volcel. because at that point you can have sex but choose not to.
 
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That makes you a standardcel boyo
 
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I guess a lot of people in here might call you a volcel of even a standardcel in this situation, but honestly I don't think that's the case as long as your standards are reasonable, aka, at least 50% of the female population in your age range can easily fulfil them. Sounds like this girl can't even make it to the top 50%, so it's reasonable to reject her imo.
 
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your standards dont mean shit with volcel and incel. you only go from incel to volcel when you reject a girl. you can be staceysexual and still incel because no girl is interested in you, regardless of how she looks. but the second you reject a foid that makes you volcel. because at that point you can have sex but choose not to.
essentially this.
 
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Let's say you are an average/ugly guy. An equally ugly (or uglier) girl with absolute no kind of forms, big glasses, short, tiny and skinny. I mean we talk about a girl that is probably 3 or 4 out of 10. Maybe even less. There is absolutely nothing sexy that can come out of her. A girl that absolutely no guy would ever bat an eye on at the streets. She looks like that typical geek girl on cartoons. Heck even the fat girls is more sexy than her... If she is interested in you, and you show no interest back, can you still be considered an incel? Its like impossible to fuck her since your dick will never rise. It is impossible to have sexual fantasies about this type of girl.

This is my hypothetical example. Feel free to discuss.
If you are blackpilled you shouldn´t use glasses in those ocations unless your eye area is shit . Better to use eye contact glasses.
 
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If you actually had a girl like you describe that was dtf then you'd be volcel sir. I don't mind it since you oughta have some standards but keep in mind most of us have never had that. Also watch out for the ban hammer
This is only hypothetical. I am not in this situation in reality...

Sure, I understand you and I never had this. But what is the point if the girl is ugly as hell? I would not be able to walk with her on the streets without looking at other good looking girls. Believe me when I say that average fat girls have more sex appeal than the girl in my example.
 
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your standards dont mean shit with volcel and incel. you only go from incel to volcel when you reject a girl. you can be staceysexual and still incel because no girl is interested in you, regardless of how she looks. but the second you reject a foid that makes you volcel. because at that point you can have sex but choose not to.
So if I want to be with a girl that is at least OK looking, but I can only get this non special looking nerdy girl with 0 % feminine traits, do I have no right to be here to discuss?
 
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I guess a lot of people in here might call you a volcel of even a standardcel in this situation, but honestly I don't think that's the case as long as your standards are reasonable, aka, at least 50% of the female population in your age range can easily fulfil them. Sounds like this girl can't even make it to the top 50%, so it's reasonable to reject her imo.
This is what I say too. My standards are not extremely high. But I just want a cute kind of feminine girl. I know that I have been very delighted by girls that are not special to the other male population. But this kind of girl I took from my example will just not work. These girls have absolutely nothing feminine in them.
 
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I would be happy if any girl proposes me irrespective of looks excluding sheboons, abos and dravidians:fuk:
 
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I would be happy if any girl proposes me irrespective of looks excluding sheboons, abos and dravidians:fuk:
You might be happy, but will you be able to walk with her outside crossing girls that are sex bombs without feeling the least jealous or depressed? I rather escortcel than being chained to a girl like that.
 
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You might be happy, but will you be able to walk with her outside crossing girls that are sex bombs without feeling the least jealous or depressed? I rather escortcel than being chained to a girl like that.
I wouldn't mind tbh coz I am myself an ugly subhuam and that's the best I can get. I will thank god for giving me my love.
 
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There are no undesired girls and yes u would be volcel af in such case
 
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There are no undesired girls and yes u would be volcel af in such case
Stop lying to yourself. If u can get attracted by really ugly girls, that means that you are hypersexual and there is no difference between a horny stallion raping the entire female horse population and yourself.

I have some kind of standard at least. Why should I as a 6 lower myself to a girl that is 2-3 that has no sexual feminine trait at all? I have no problems with skinny girls with no tits or ass. But at least she should have some kind of feminine facial traits that is appealing and that dress well in a feminine way. This would definitely compensate over the lack of a curved body.
 
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Stop lying to yourself. If u can get attracted by really ugly girls, that means that you are hypersexual and there is no difference between a horny stallion raping the entire female horse population and yourself.

I have some kind of standard at least. Why should I as a 6 lower myself to a girl that is 2-3 that has no sexual feminine trait at all? I have no problems with skinny girls with no tits or ass. But at least she should have some kind of feminine facial traits that is appealing and that dress well in a feminine way. This would definitely compensate over the lack of a curved body.
Cope, if you were a 6 you wouldn't be there:feelskek:
 
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Cope, if you were a 6 you wouldn't be there:feelskek:
I am surprised you don't understand that a 6 in todays world equals a 3.

Only 8 and above can slay. And the 7 has a chance
 
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You're describing average women without makeup
The girl I am talking about is not even average. With or without makeup. She is a pure geek that looks like Meg on family guy, but even worse.
 

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