Serious Is inceldom a mere byproduct of technological change?

[Fontaine]

This post piqued my interest:

For one inceldom is not a psychological problem because incels are not inherently mentally ill or suffer from trauma.

Inceldom is largely based on modern inventions like contraception, motor transportation and telecommunications. In fact inceldom is largely based on internet and mobile phones both only becoming common in the late 90's.

The part about motor transportation is especially spot on. Few realize how before the advent of the train and then the automobile, humans were completely defined and bound by their immediate geography - - you were born, lived and died in one place. Kinda like plants. There were very few exceptions to this rule, and you found them in the higher classes mostly. There was no question of dating someone who lived a hundred miles away - - it was theoretically possible via horse travel, but too inconvenient. This severely restricted the possibility of female hypergamy.

This aligns with something else I've read recently on a blog: before the revolution brought by modernity, everyone was "master of something" among his circle of acquaintances. In every little village you had someone who was the best at cobbling shoes, at masonry, at writing, etc. Now, there is this overwhelming feeling that whatever you're doing, somebody somewhere is doing it better than you and will also steal your looksmatch - - this has participated in reducing further the already fragile self-esteem of men in modernity.

 

[lens]

Technology is part of the problem but not entirely.

@before the industrial revolution, everyone was "master of something" among his circle of acquaintances. In every little village you had someone who was the best at cobbling shoes, at masonry, at writing, etc. Now, there is this overwhelming feeling that whatever you're doing, somebody somewhere is doing it better than you

Bullshit!

@There was no question of dating someone who lived a hundred miles away - - it was theoretically possible via horse travel, but too inconvenient.

Women's scope of finding mates has broadened due to this. Why settle for local average subhuman when you can fuck all the chads in the next town, country. But again this is because women are given too much freedom. This is truly the undoing of Humanity. I don;t think we have much time left. Maybe a decade or two.

 

[shortcel]

Technology is for sure a really big part of it. So is medicine. In the 60s with creation of the birth contol pill and abortion becoming legal and acceptable gave rise to the “sexual revolution” where promiscuity and hyper sexuality where encouraged in women. So that was the first crack in the dam. Then came the internet which connected the world and the whole dam broke. You have a generation of women who believe they are entitled to a free buffet of unlimited sex. On the surface you might think this would lead to more guys getting laid, but the opposite is happening because women have a natural tendency to seek out the alpha and they have expanded means to do that now. Women literally can just get online and they get inundated with 100s if not 1000s of chances for sex. So for women you are just a line on a menu a combination of your face your height and race. This is why all the “just work out bruh” or “get a personality bruh” is shit , no amount of working out is going to change the fact you’re 5’6 and women don’t give a fuck about personality. Femoids would rather wait for a Chad to finish fucking one of the other pieces in his harem than give a subhuman a chance.

 

[RREEEEEEEEE]

It is not. During ancient times, physically weak men like us got killed and only the stronger men got to procreate. Incels have always existed, but since we live in a relatively secure era with laws and whatnot, incels have come back into existence and we will only grow in numbers as long as we live in this toxic system of "democracy."

 

[NietzscheCel]

Yes in terms of history after the invention of agriculture and the beginnings of civilisation. Prior to civilisation, incels were simply killed off. You can say that we are in times where civilisation is crumbling. Even though we're not being killed directly, we are still being weeded out by women.

 

[blackcel]

Doubt it considering how many males didn't reproduce in human history.

 

[diogenes]

Doubt it considering how many males didn't reproduce in human history.

Many but for other reasons. During medieval times in Europe even the ugliest males could get a wife thanks to Christianity. During pagan Roman times it was ILLEGAL to be incel, and they would pair you up with a female. Having children was seen as a requirement for even the lowest of society, the empire demanded more citizens, and thus not having children was illegal.

Even during early agriculture you needed every hand you could get so if you were born to a community you would most likely get a female as well. People in small groups get socialized well because not being socialized equals potential danger to the whole group, people simply had to get along. Even going back to hunter gatherer times, you needed to be tight with your family-clan-group and would be rewarded with a wife.

Inceldom is a purely modern phenomenon.

 

[Mainländer]

Have you read the Unabomber Manifesto, Fontaine? Relevant to this thread.

As for my opinion, yes, technology plays a huge role in the current state of affairs. But it's not only technology which is to blame.

 

[blackcel]

Many but for other reasons. During medieval times in Europe even the ugliest males could get a wife thanks to Christianity. During pagan Roman times it was ILLEGAL to be incel, and they would pair you up with a female. Having children was seen as a requirement for even the lowest of society, the empire demanded more citizens, and thus not having children was illegal.

Even during early agriculture you needed every hand you could get so if you were born to a community you would most likely get a female as well. People in small groups get socialized well because not being socialized equals potential danger to the whole group, people simply had to get along. Even going back to hunter gatherer times, you needed to be tight with your family-clan-group and would be rewarded with a wife.

Inceldom is a purely modern phenomenon.

I think inceldom is pretty synonymous with overabundance. Need some historians to gtfih.

 

[Cuck-Damage]

Incels have always been around. Always have, always will.

Just that before it was much easier to cope with.

 

[Doub]

This severely restricted the possibility of female hypergamy.

All you need for female hypergamy is male polygamy. Take a village/island of 10 men and 10 females. Male 10 mates with females 10, 9 and 8. Male 9 mates with females 7 and 6. Males 8 to 4 settle on a -3. And you end up with 3 guys that die alone.

If you want to end male inceldom you need to promote matriarchy and female polygamy.

 

[diogenes]

I think inceldom is pretty synonymous with overabundance. Need some historians to gtfih.

Overabundance of resources, information, capabilities, yes I agree with you. Inceldom only began to start in my opinion a century ago or so, and developed to its fullest only 10 to 20 years ago.

 

[Jockcel]

Modernity has fucked sub8s over in so many ways.

 

[diogenes]

All you need for female hypergamy is male polygamy. Take a village/island of 10 men and 10 females. Male 10 mates with females 10, 9 and 8. Male 9 mates with females 7 and 6. Males 8 to 4 settle on a -3. And you end up with 3 guys that die alone.

If you want to end male inceldom you need to promote matriarchy and female polygamy.

Why would females pick ugly incels to be part of their polygamy circle? That's retarded.

What needs to be enforced is strict monogamy, which has been a part of human society since early agriculture.

 

[Doub]

Why would females pick ugly incels to be part of their polygamy circle? That's retarded.

This is just a gender swap of the current reality. If it's retarded one way it is the other way too, yet it happens. You'll always have polygamists and celibates, but the more inbalance on one end (more male polygamists than females), the more inbalance you have on the other end (more male celibates than females).

 

[PleaseKillMeLoseSkin]

There will always be incels since we are a byproduct of hormonal imbalances from our environment, mothers that have hormonal imbalances but cover symptoms with make up and Chad doesn't notice. General mutation, and bad parenting that most women exhibit and pass on bad traits to their kids if they can't find a beta bux father that will actually adopt them like his own which most men won't they're doomed, this why cuckolding is trying to be pushed to mainstream.

 

[Weirdcel]

Modernity is a catalyst in the process of incel generation. The root of the problem is female hypergamy.

 

[solitary_dweller]

Simple but true answer to this. Yes!

Explanation equals: Pornography is making men impotent because they build desire for pixels instead of real women. The moment they try and get a boner for a real women they can't. They have to use Viagra.

So if you know a CHAD get him addicted to porn.

 

[diogenes]

This is just a gender swap of the current reality. If it's retarded one way it is the other way too, yet it happens. You'll always have polygamists and celibates, but the more inbalance on one end (more male polygamists than females), the more inbalance you have on the other end (more male celibates than females).

I don't even know what you're on about. What we have right now is unchangeable as it is purely natural, however the only way to combat inceldom would be strict monogamy enforced by society. You seem to have some weird fetishes of being part of a female's harem and need to project it unto others.

 

[Doub]

What we have right now is unchangeable as it is purely natural

That's just nonsense. Everything is changing all the time in nature.

 

[deathgreetsmeslow]

Low IQ tbh. Inceldom has always existed, it has only gotten worse and more highlighted with the advancements in technology.

 

[diogenes]

That's just nonsense. Everything is changing all the time in nature.

Humans are a hybrid between tournament species vs pair-bonding species. Modernity has pulled us more to the tournament species side of the spectrum. You can't change the fact that females will simply pick Chad, and Chad doesn't lose anything by fucking every female he wants.

 

[Deleted member 5861]

The majority of men throughout history (60%) never reproduced.

 

[mikepence]

Yes in terms of history after the invention of agriculture and the beginnings of civilisation. Prior to civilisation, incels were simply killed off. You can say that we are in times where civilisation is crumbling. Even though we're not being killed directly, we are still being weeded out by women.

Agriculture saved our ass. It allowed betas the opportunity to gain status and sex despite being unattractive to women. Christian monogamy only enforced this more. Now due to tech, the SR, etc., inceldom is becoming more common.

 

[Cancel]

Modernity is a catalyst in the process of incel generation. The root of the problem is female hypergamy.

Something like this, yes.

I'm sure incel problems have always been there but with technology in its many forms (birth control, social media, fakeup, etc) the problems have only become worse and sped up.

 

[BasedGod1]

Many but for other reasons. During medieval times in Europe even the ugliest males could get a wife thanks to Christianity. During pagan Roman times it was ILLEGAL to be incel, and they would pair you up with a female. Having children was seen as a requirement for even the lowest of society, the empire demanded more citizens, and thus not having children was illegal.

Even during early agriculture you needed every hand you could get so if you were born to a community you would most likely get a female as well. People in small groups get socialized well because not being socialized equals potential danger to the whole group, people simply had to get along. Even going back to hunter gatherer times, you needed to be tight with your family-clan-group and would be rewarded with a wife.

Inceldom is a purely modern phenomenon.

I was born in the wrong timeline fuckkkkk

 

[Newbite]

Technological change = economic change = social change

We need to go back to caveman times

 

[BlackpilledNorman]

The majority of men throughout history (60%) never reproduced.

This is true when talking including pre-civilisation times in the consideration of human history.

However, in civilized societies, this percentage is not nearly as big due to enforced monogamy.

Inceldom is not a modern phenomenon, it is a consequence of a return to the natural order of things. This may not sound too bad, but a return to the natural order is a sign of a society/civilization on its last legs.

 

[VST]

Tfw incel because of the silicon jew.

Feelsbad.

 

[Norky]

This echoes Ted Kaczynski's notions in "Industrial Society and Its Future," wherein he cites examples of technology diminishing the power of individuals to fully realize their potential and reach personal goals.

 

[incel-american]

This aligns with something else I've read recently on a blog: before the revolution brought by modernity, everyone was "master of something" among his circle of acquaintances. In every little village you had someone who was the best at cobbling shoes, at masonry, at writing, etc. Now, there is this overwhelming feeling that whatever you're doing, somebody somewhere is doing it better than you and will also steal your looksmatch - - this has participated in reducing further the already fragile self-esteem of men in modernity.

Jordan Peterson fan?