I really want to know others opinion on this, is it natural selection, or is it simply bad luck, or both.
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Nothing about this world is "natural" anymore. Women's natural inclinations are backwards. Theyre attracted to braindead low inhib brutes and thugs, which made sense in caveman ooga booga times but makes no fucking sense in an urbanized technological civilization. They are actively dumbing down the human race amd eradicating the intelligence and collaborative disposition that makes human civilization possible.
If incels are the result of natural selection than nature is fucked up and wrong and should be rejected.
If incels are the result of natural selection than nature is fucked up and wrong and should be rejected.
Close but not cigar, it's not natural selection but sexual selection.
No it is not, this is a thoroughly retarded take
Females only select for signs of genetic health when it comes to physical appearance. They literally select for men with lower IQs and more aggressive behavior as well.
Why do you think retarded hood nigs are so successful in passing on their genes compared to other populations?
Also, women are not and never were the gatekeepers of genetics. If they were, every ugly femlet would’ve already turned over and died like the roaches they are. It’s not only Stacies who breed, far from it
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the more fragile you are, the more likely you are to be an incel
In an animal sense, yes and incel tier creatures are either killed or kept arround as beta fodder, but since we are humans with empathy we created a system where even incel tier genetics could get laid, the only reason why so many incels exist now. However, under the guys of foids rights the system has reverted to its animal past where lower caste man are ostracized while higher tier men are worshipped and weighted on. Even though this selection is natural in the mind of retarded foids it doesn't make it justified in this day and age, absolutely barbaric
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we're not subhumans
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again, women are less evolved, as St ER told us
True, one of the most based things he said which especially triggered foids considering how heirachal and animalistic they are, they even rest their sexual selection of precieved value of men based on how many whores hes pumped and dumped
Strong physicality is what has kept us alive through natural disasters, diseases, and warfare. A weak, low T, monkey-armed, hoodie-wearing, skinny-fat coder STEMcel slave who lives on 5 hour energy drinks by the light of his computer monitor can never develop any technology that will transcend the raw vigorous fulfillment that athleticism, fighting, and adventure brings to life. Technology no matter how great, has limited power to take humanity to the next level. In fact, technology is what weakens and destroys physiology over time. Just look how strong we humans were during hunter-gatherer times, and look at us now: weak recessed faces with soft pudgy bodies. Only cold weather conditions with mating contests can evolve us.
I’m not saying physicality doesn’t matter, just that intelligence also matters
Intelligence is what separated europeans from the blacks and american natives they subjugated
If sexual selection and natural selection were one and the same, foids would select for proper physicality AND high intelligence. As it stands now, female sexual selection is partly maladaptive
I feel like it's partly bad luck since women can pass bad genetics onto their sons like shortness or baldness even if the father is a chad.
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They don't select for low IQ. They select for other traits like physical appearance, aggression, and dominance.
Unfortunately, the number of aggressive, dominant males with strong features like athleticism with average and below average IQ far exceeds the number of above average and high IQ males with the same features.
How many STEM PhDs do you know who are tall, muscular, dominant, and aggressive? Just saying the phrase "STEM PhD' already elicits and conjures up an image of a skinny beta weakling with glasses who would cry if he found out his whore wife was fucking tyrone behind his back. Hell, she'll probably fuck him in the living room in front of him knowing that he's not going to do shit. JFL
Aggression + low inhibition (which is correlated with low impulse control, which, in turn, is correlated with lower IQ).
The only reason women are the "selectors" is because men have created civilization and have allowed women to be selectors in the safety, comfort, and privilege of civil society.
Men are stronger, fitter, and more intelligent than women. If men didn't care about protecting women at a group level and were not protective of women in their tribes, then rape - a human moral and legal concept - wouldn't exist, as simply the strongest males would have sex with whichever female they pleased, without punishment or consequence from weaker males. This is basically how shit went down in the caveman era where 1/17 males reproduced and the other 16 were betas who just died off because the alpha ooga could crush their skulls with his bare hands.
I could get out and rape any woman I wanted to right now, because I'm physically stronger than any random woman who isn't a genetic outlier freak. What's stopping me at a practical (not moral or intellectual) level? Other men aka lawmakers and their enforcers with guns, and also the other men in the tribe of the woman (husband, father, brother etc.). If any man was a dictator with soldiers at their disposal, they could (in both theory and practice) have sex with any woman under their rule. This still happens somewhat in many African shitholes ruled by brute force.
If it wasn't for men like us who invented the blade, bow and gun, then men like this guy
would just kill you and fuck your oneitis in front of your corpse while it was still warm.
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it's not natural selection
Are you sure? Cause lower IQ people are more likely to be neurotypical (big factor in attracting women) + women are known to go for guys they feel like they can easily manipulate. I’ve already acknowledged they select for aggression, and I’m aware dominance matters too
STEM phds aren’t necessarily high IQ though, just studycels. There are plenty of high IQ people who are also good looking, which makes sense given that both traits are associated with positive genetic health
Beautifully (and brutally) putIf it wasn't for men like us who invented the blade, bow and gun, then men like this guy
would just kill you and fuck your oneitis in front of your corpse while it was still warm.
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Yes, I'm sure. This paper provides support for the hypothesis that intelligence is a sought-after trait.
It makes perfect sense in the evolutionary context. Better problem solving ability in your local environment yields a higher probability of success for both survival and resource acquisition.
Oh, I'm afraid this is where you're wrong, brocel.
A STEM PhD, especially in physics, maths, or comp sci, isn't something you can just grind out. There is a high intellectual barrier of entry. The IQ cutoff is real, and you just need to have a bare minimum of cognitive horsepower to survive, let alone push through and complete a PhD program. I don't think we have raw data on this, but I'd estimate that it has to be at least one standard deviation above the mean. Average normgroids will not survive.
This potent, high octane suifuel is sadly very true.
Beautifully (and brutally) put
This. I'm pure genetic trash that shouldn't even exist
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yes natural selection. Weak will not reproduce simple as that.
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Yes it’s the definition of natural selection, look at any other mammal mating, from chimpanzees, lions, deer, it’s all the same. Strong male mates, weak male doesn’t
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Both it basically stems from natural selection unfortunately
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Couldn’t agree more
studies and my personal experience have show that the most sexually successful men are average iq at best and more often than not are criminals with low altruism and economically unproductive. women are dysgenic selectors and allowing women to choose their spousal partners is taking steps back in evolution, so no.
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NO. Most of our looksmatches are busy fucking chads
Universe is a big, fucking infinite joke.
No. Natural selection would be if only the most productive and successful people breed. Instead what we have now is the least productive and unsuccessful people breeding the most.
This is true, but I also have a feeling that a lot of the people here just have normie biological parents, and just got the shittiest features from them. Which I feel is causing the influx of incels
This is half of it. Societal decadence is a factor and no small one, but science and technology is also a cause. Birth control let's women fuck all they want while not risking having to raise a child, and smart phones and social media gives women easy dating access to a bottomless supply of men. The industrial revolution has been a disaster for the human race.
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Based and Kaczynski pilled
Yes.
Some traits that humans perceive to be good genetic quality are actually harmful and promote dysgenics. Like for example big muscles from steroid abuse, fake tits, makeup, nice clothing, antisocial traits (women do love psychopaths) etc etc. All of these things (can) be attractive but in the long term they weaken the gene pool and cause more harm than good.
Also lower IQ women tend to have more babies than the high IQ women. Men with criminal background have more children and more sex etc. Women would rather choose the steroid and drug abusing violent criminal than the shy guy and so on. Even sexual selection can be wrong. And as we know, femoids are almost always wrong
Some traits that humans perceive to be good genetic quality are actually harmful and promote dysgenics. Like for example big muscles from steroid abuse, fake tits, makeup, nice clothing, antisocial traits (women do love psychopaths) etc etc. All of these things (can) be attractive but in the long term they weaken the gene pool and cause more harm than good.
Also lower IQ women tend to have more babies than the high IQ women. Men with criminal background have more children and more sex etc. Women would rather choose the steroid and drug abusing violent criminal than the shy guy and so on. Even sexual selection can be wrong. And as we know, femoids are almost always wrong
How do skinny and frail looking pretty boys get all the prime cunny then? It's like the guy above said. There's nothing natural about our society. Womens brains have been messed up by birth control and social media brainwashing to the point where their decisions regarding mate selection make no sense from an evolutionary stand point.
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tbh women always liked femine men just look at young johnny depp. He was sex symbol back then and he looked very femine. Like his lower part of the face was very masculine but upper part femine. I think this harmony is what womens actually prefer. They like this perfect balance between masculine and femine face this beautifull facial harmony. If you look at pretty boys they 9/10 times have this kind of facial harmony. Femine upper and Masculine lower. I read that they prefered more femine men while on birth control that was interesting. You just need to look good. Were not good looking thats why we have no pussy. good looks = good genes. Pretty boys have good genes. Theyre skinny because they dont need to gymcope because they have beautifull faces. Like they dont have to exercise if they get pussy just from having good face and good fashion style. I think women see through it. Like even if you have good body they still see your subhuman skull so of course they wont be attracted.
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