Interesting ideas on the birthrate I was reading

[WizardofSoda]

One interesting point to me is that 20-30% of women just don't want children each generation. That goes with what I have read of European history, where about 20% of women each generation didn't have children. Europe never had to the same extent forced marriages as other places. And Europe never was that women couldn't work. Forcing women who don't want to have children is a bad dysgenic idea, and also would be un-Western in using state power to force people around.

So what has changed then. The issue is that many women used to have a bunch of children. Whereas today many of those same women even as they want more children, only end up having 1 or 2 children. Instead of trying to get women who don't want children to have children, a better plan is to help families with like 2 children have 3+ children.

An important aspect is that many Euro countries its not like they have no children. Their fertility rate is around 1.50. Aka the average woman has 1.5 children. Replacement is 2.10. So to get to replacement its not that you need to change everything. Its not that we are trying to make it so women have like 4 children each.

Net immigration also is a variable, you can move it up or down. So imagine a country had a fertility rate of 1.80.. they could also have low-moderate immigration to reach stable population. Relatively few people are against low immigration. A country could also decline gradually in population - that is less problematic then a catastrophic fall off. Take Japan with a fertility rate of around 1.30. If they were up to 1.80, it really wouldn't be an issue.

 

[Osman279]

Change your name to Mr Demographics

 

[Lonelyus]

Force women to make sex attack on me by giving me sex!


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[Copexodius Maximus]

One interesting point to me is that 20-30% of women just don't want children each generation. That goes with what I have read of European history, where about 20% of women each generation didn't have children. Europe never had to the same extent forced marriages as other places. And Europe never was that women couldn't work. Forcing women who don't want to have children is a bad dysgenic idea, and also would be un-Western in using state power to force people around.

So what has changed then. The issue is that many women used to have a bunch of children. Whereas today many of those same women even as they want more children, only end up having 1 or 2 children. Instead of trying to get women who don't want children to have children, a better plan is to help families with like 2 children have 3+ children.

An important aspect is that many Euro countries its not like they have no children. Their fertility rate is around 1.50. Aka the average woman has 1.5 children. Replacement is 2.10. So to get to replacement its not that you need to change everything. Its not that we are trying to make it so women have like 4 children each.

Net immigration also is a variable, you can move it up or down. So imagine a country had a fertility rate of 1.80.. they could also have low-moderate immigration to reach stable population. Relatively few people are against low immigration. A country could also decline gradually in population - that is less problematic then a catastrophic fall off. Take Japan with a fertility rate of around 1.30. If they were up to 1.80, it really wouldn't be an issue.

Women had to work all over the world. It’s only in privileged rich families where women didn’t work, and they just spent their time having sex with other men.

 

[Govid_Dorious]

Women had to work all over the world. It’s only in privileged rich families where women didn’t work, and they just spent their time having sex with other men.

yeah, they work in farms, fields n shiet

 

[SmhChan]

Most jobs were back-breaking, even for men. Most of the women did low-effort and less laborious jobs which didn't pay much. As a result, they weren't even forced to do husband-hunting. Also, there was a big stigma around being a spinster.

As for 20% of european women not having children in the past, do you have any historical statistics to back it up? It's hard to believe some women voluntarily had 5-6 children in the past when times were much harder, and some decided to have none.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Most jobs were back-breaking, even for men. Most of the women did low-effort and less laborious jobs which didn't pay much. As a result, they weren't even forced to do husband-hunting. Also, there was a big stigma around being a spinster.

As for 20% of european women not having children in the past, do you have any historical statistics to back it up? It's hard to believe some women voluntarily had 5-6 children in the past when times were much harder, and some decided to have none.

I will keep an eye out for the 20% number to get a link for here, its something I have read a few times. Most of it I think wasn't by choice, but infertility.