Blackpill Intelligence (IQ) and knowledge are worth nothing on Earth.

[Fontaine]

The IQ cope in loser communities has already been exposed as a cope, but I thought the point should be put through again.

We have a knowledge of social dynamics, aesthetics, anatomy, biology, history, evolutionary psychology, etc, that is far above the knowledge of the average person.

The average normie doesn't even know what zygomatic bones are, that there is a gender power imbalance in dating, that before the 1920s kissing a girl in public caused outrage, or that before the 1850s marriage was arranged and nobody had "girlfriends".

Yet the average normie is not incel and has far bigger ego / happiness than us.

The only advantage of iq and knowledge is not worldly but spiritual. Once you have understood the world will fuck you over again and again, you can turn to Buddhism, Hinduism, Sufi mysticism and other copes.

 

[Hunter]

IQ is important but not as much as looks.

 

[Fontaine]

IQ is important but not as much as looks.

Cope copedy cope

Lots of "smart" depressed ugly men in psych wards or living under a bridge.

 

[Konon]

Cope. You mistake the postings of edgy teens (usually without any studies to back their claims up) with IQ. Intelligence can get you far in life. You need intelligence to make money, to analyze your situation and for practically everything. It'll even help you attract women indirectly, cause you'd be rather successful if you're intelligent, thus women.

 

[Hunter]

Cope copedy cope

Lots of "smart" depressed ugly men in psych wards or living under a bridge.

cope. IQ helps you in every area of life.

 

[bluecollarCEL]

Another thing is people relate IQ to whatever job someone has.

Of course we know that you have smart men who are anti-social and don't have the Social Network to land them a good job.

These men are intelligent but are stuck in low paying jobs because of their autism.

 

[Fontaine]

Cope. You mistake the postings of edgy teens (usually without any studies to back their claims up) with IQ. Intelligence can get you far in life. You need intelligence to make money, to analyze your situation and for practically everything. It'll even help you attract women indirectly, cause you'd be rather successful if you're intelligent, thus women.

I've arguably used my intelligence to get rich with crypto and honestly luck plays a much bigger role in getting rich than intelligence. It's all about lucky timing.

Scholarly and career success is linked to willpower, drive and hard work, not intelligence. Most doctors I know were of mediocre intelligence in youth. On the other hand I know plenty of ugly gifted men who crashed and burned due to clinical depression.

 

[acnescarcel]

all that matters is LMS intelligence isn't in there

 

[Deleted member 2798]

edgy teens

@Ritalincel

(usually without any studies to back their claims up)

Riding on the coattails of other men's work is characteristic of the singularly intelligent, I can imagine, but do you have a source for that?

 

[Asianmanletcel]

You are pushing the transhumanism agenda that requires intelligence and knowledge yet you say both of those are worth nothing here on Earth.
How can transhumanism even happen when you say those two are worthless? Are you saying even a braindead liberal arts normie can invent Skynet?

 

[Ignas]

If only I could trade my IQ in exchange of being a chad

 

[psilocybincel]

The IQ cope in loser communities has already been exposed as a cope, but I thought the point should be put through again.

We have a knowledge of social dynamics, aesthetics, anatomy, biology, history, evolutionary psychology, etc, that is far above the knowledge of the average person.

The average normie doesn't even know what zygomatic bones are, that there is a gender power imbalance in dating, that before the 1920s kissing a girl in public caused outrage, or that before the 1850s marriage was arranged and nobody had "girlfriends".

Yet the average normie is not incel and has far bigger ego / happiness than us.

The only advantage of iq and knowledge is not worldly but spiritual. Once you have understood the world will fuck you over again and again, you can turn to Buddhism, Hinduism, Sufi mysticism and other copes.

Funny you say zygomatic bone, I learned what that was because of the Aphex Twin song "Ziggomatic 17"

 

[Fontaine]

You are pushing the transhumanism agenda that requires intelligence and knowledge yet you say both of those are worth nothing here on Earth.
How can transhumanism even happen when you say those two are worthless? Are you saying even a braindead liberal arts normie can invent Skynet?

A small subset of intelligence (high ability for advanced mathematics) is useful in the modern world. But even then, willpower matters more.

The Canadian guy who revolutionized AI and machine learning, Geoffrey Hinton, is arguably very smart. But he succeeded due to incredible willpower. He stuck for decades with his beliefs that machine learning was possible with neural nets when every academic saw him as a creepy loser. It's a victory of willpower as much as it is a victory of IQ.

Any depressed incel would have said "you're right, neural nets are crap, I'm going to go hang myself now".

 

[mylifeistrash]

The IQ cope in loser communities has already been exposed as a cope, but I thought the point should be put through again.

We have a knowledge of social dynamics, aesthetics, anatomy, biology, history, evolutionary psychology, etc, that is far above the knowledge of the average person.

The average normie doesn't even know what zygomatic bones are, that there is a gender power imbalance in dating, that before the 1920s kissing a girl in public caused outrage, or that before the 1850s marriage was arranged and nobody had "girlfriends".

Yet the average normie is not incel and has far bigger ego / happiness than us.

The only advantage of iq and knowledge is not worldly but spiritual. Once you have understood the world will fuck you over again and again, you can turn to Buddhism, Hinduism, Sufi mysticism and other copes.

nah man

homeless shelters and prisons are full of barely functional low IQ men

yeah some incel fuck with a STEM degree jerking off to hentai every night is sad but it beats being homeless

 

[incel scum]

nearly everyone thinks they have a high IQ because they are not noticeably retarded. its sort of how when you ask people to rate themselves, they all say they are 7/10s.

the truth is that your real IQ is 15 points lower than you think it is

 

[Loooooser]

IQ < EQ

 

[Fontaine]

homeless shelters and prisons are full of barely functional low IQ men

Lots and lots of high iq men among suicidal NEETs

nearly everyone thinks they have a high IQ because they are not noticeably retarded. its sort of how when you ask people to rate themselves, they all say they are 7/10s.

the truth is that your real IQ is 15 points lower than you think it is

IQ is a retarded measure anyway. I remember taking an IQ test once, where there were simple math problems. I hadn't done math for years in my school cursus so I couldn't solve them. Of course a friend of mine who was just out of a scientific cursus could. After learning how to solve the problems I was able to solve all similar ones, thereby improving my score a lot.

IQ tests usually measure crystallized (learned) intelligence. Raven's matrices, that supposedly measure true intelligence, merely measure pattern recognition and abstract shape translation abilities: an engineer's intelligence, a particular subtype. It leaves all other kinds of intelligence unrecognized.

More importantly, if you have to brag about your IQ, that means you have nothing else to brag about, which is always kinda sad. And it sounds arrogant because you expect people to give you high status not based on actual accomplishments.

 

[BlackOpsIIcel]

IQ < EQ

This. IQ is enough to have an easier time passing a math exam. Less time needed to study. A high EQ, social skills and so forth, will give you a STEM job. Actually working as an engineer. And not just having a degree.

 

[Ritalincel]

edgy teens

> edgy teens

IQ < EQ

> emotional intelligence

 

[Kurdish_Incel]

Until the highest IQ black-pilled makes a weapon with unfound atoms that destroy this whole solar system.

 

[i_a_m_i]

all that matters is LMS intelligence isn't in there

Both M and S benefit from, if not require, a high IQ. Except in cases of lottery winners and inheritence, as well as some dangerous and unpleasant jobs where an average IQ might suffice, having a high IQ a near-necessity to get a high paying job. A high IQ is a requirement to get good grades, to get into and graduate from a good college, and to perform well at your job. MAYBE you can get away with being a bottom-tier laywer, or a low paid codemonkey with an IQ of 100(no lower). But just imagine how many more hours you would have to work compared to your colleagues. Even if you work twice as hard, you'll still be disadvantaged compared to them. In a room of 100 lawyers you'll be the dumbest laywer.
If you want to rich and powerful you need to be smart.

IQ < EQ

Extreme cope. EQ is a feminist fantasy.

 

[turbocuckcel_7000]

from what i've read and experienced high IQ by itself only predicts one thing, that you will have a reasonable income and employment situation by age 30 or so, regardless of your starting conditions.
it doesn't predict anything about your romantic prospects, mental health, happiness, how you will actually spend your youth or how you will actually get to that stage of relative comfort.
it could pretty much be a hell filled with suicidal thoughts and likely will be if you failed to integrate into modern society. but hey, slightly above average income by 30.

part of why you can eventually reach some financial comfort is because you can pull yourself up with your high IQ but partly also because society simply provides alms if you are high IQ (sinecures, scholarships, do-nothing jobs that are nonetheless earmarked for those who demonstrate high IQ first)

people like your parents and elders will constantly tell you that your high IQ (or appearance of it) will get you far and all you have to worry about is working hard, but I know how that ends by now: working in solitude, overthinking everything, coming in last because people with emotional intelligence have already optimized every situation you walk into to their advantage, and late money that you have nothing to spend on

 

[Fontaine]

with an IQ of 100(no lower). But just imagine how many more hours you would have to work compared to your colleagues. Even if you work twice as hard, you'll still be disadvantaged compared to them.

Do you know what causes you to work ten times as hard as everyone and yet fail?

DEPRESSION lol

And at least one half of ugly high iq men have clinical depression

 

[Deleted member 2798]

Both M and S benefit from, if not require, a high IQ. Except in cases of lottery winners and inheritence, as well as some dangerous and unpleasant jobs where an average IQ might suffice, having a high IQ a near-necessity to get a high paying job. A high IQ is a requirement to get good grades, to get into and graduate from a good college, and to perform well at your job. MAYBE you can get away with being a bottom-tier laywer, or a low paid codemonkey with an IQ of 100(no lower). But just imagine how many more hours you would have to work compared to your colleagues. Even if you work twice as hard, you'll still be disadvantaged compared to them. In a room of 100 lawyers you'll be the dumbest laywer.
If you want to rich and powerful you need to be smart.

Money is negligible for sexual attraction and most high status professions draw mediocrities like flies. Plenty of promising future professionals (i.e. premed, prelaw) are striver studycunts whose advancement rests on a solid foundation of rote memorization. This doesn't even account for truly high status individuals; you think, I don't know, Drake is an exemplar of intelligence?

Certainly 130 IQ is better than 70 IQ when trying to climb one's way to the top, but to say that intelligence is needed for status is outrageous.

 

[i_a_m_i]

Money is negligible for sexual attraction and most high status professions draw mediocrities like flies. Plenty of promising future professionals (i.e. premed, prelaw) are striver studycunts whose advancement rests on a solid foundation of rote memorization. This doesn't even account for truly high status individuals; you think, I don't know, Drake is an exemplar of intelligence?

Certainly 130 IQ is better than 70 IQ when trying to climb one's way to the top, but to say that intelligence is needed for status is outrageous.

So how many of these guys do you think have an IQ below 100?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Americans_by_net_worth#United_States_billionaires_list

 

[Deleted member 2798]

So how many of these guys do you think have an IQ below 100?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Americans_by_net_worth#United_States_billionaires_list

If you're talking 99.99999th percentile wealth-as-status-proxy, the rules change quite a bit. Yes, you need to be pretty smart to make that much money. You don't need to be that smart to be an especially cocky normalfaggot that can dominate a social group. Jeff Bezos isn't that only man that can pull tail (does he?) owing to status.

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

Money is negligible for sexual attraction and most high status professions draw mediocrities like flies. Plenty of promising future professionals (i.e. premed, prelaw) are striver studycunts whose advancement rests on a solid foundation of rote memorization. This doesn't even account for truly high status individuals; you think, I don't know, Drake is an exemplar of intelligence?

Certainly 130 IQ is better than 70 IQ when trying to climb one's way to the top, but to say that intelligence is needed for status is outrageous.

Clearly, I actually think a lot of average and below IQ women are put off by the idea of being with a really smart guy. It doesn’t make sense from an evolutionary standpoint but from a social one I guess it does. People of different intelligence levels have different interests, use a different lexicon and have a different style of humour. They struggle to even understand each other at times, as if they speak separate languages.

Because the rise of media culture has allowed less intelligent people to rise to positions of prominence by producing art that can also be celebrated by less intelligent people, we live in a society where most of our celebrities are not very intelligent. This is simply because the average and below average outnumber the intelligent massively, and when art is produced that appeals to their tendencies it is unsurprising that it dominates the entire culture due to their numerical advantage.

In ages past you had to truly be intelligent to produce successful art, John Donne or Jacque-Louis David’s work requires a like-minded observer to be properly understood, whereas Drake or Stormzy is base enough to be consumed by the masses. Having average intelligence has given them more status than a great intellect would, because it has made them marketable to a larger swathe of the population.

 

[incel-american]

Mild cope. I for one could have gone a lot further in life with an extra 20 IQ points.

 

[Deleted member 1252]

I agree. IQ doesn’t even exist as a concept in the female/sexual world at all, and even in the non-sexual (ie male) world, it’s of little value. It’s essentially a door to increased suffering, nothing more. Ignorance is bliss. I’ve always prized my high IQ but ultimately it is an absolute cope, and in many ways is actually a vice.

 

[FiveFourManlet]

IQ is handy, in some situations for survival for therefore average IQ is essential.
Having high IQ is unnecessary.

 

[i_a_m_i]

If you're talking 99.99999th percentile wealth-as-status-proxy, the rules change quite a bit. Yes, you need to be pretty smart to make that much money. You don't need to be that smart to be an especially cocky normalfaggot that can dominate a social group. Jeff Bezos isn't that only man that can pull tail (does he?) owing to status.

When I think of a high status person I think of someone usually with a university degree, working in media, humanities, law, business, or STEM. You need an above average IQ to suceed in those things. <90-100IQ is not going to cut it.
High status family aside, you have an IQ of 90 you aren't (or it is extremely unlikely) going to be high status. You may or may not have a HS diploma. You'll probably be working at McDonald's or a grocery store or laying bricks. You can still slay if you are attractive, but it is very difficult to be high status and wealthy with an IQ of 90.

Celebrities are high status too, and maybe there isn't as high an IQ requirement, but I doubt the average celebrity has a below average IQ. I didn't mention celebrities because I didn't think it was relevant, because there are so few of them.

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

When I think of a high status person I think of someone usually with a university degree, working in media, humanities, law, business, or STEM. You need an above average IQ to suceed in those things. <90-100IQ is not going to cut it.
High status family aside, you have an IQ of 90 you aren't (or it is extremely unlikely) going to be high status. You may or may not have a HS diploma. You'll probably be working at McDonald's or a grocery store or laying bricks. You can still slay if you are attractive, but it is very difficult to be high status and wealthy with an IQ of 90.

Celebrities are high status too, and maybe there isn't as high an IQ requirement, but I doubt the average celebrity has a below average IQ. I didn't mention celebrities because I didn't think it was relevant, because there are so few of them.

^^^ read my earlier comment, media culture has allowed low and average IQ people to become celebrities because they are able to market themselves without any intellectual input and appeal to a broader base.

And at least one half of ugly high iq men have clinical depression

Is there any statistical data on this? I agree with you that this is likely, I just want to know if it’s documented.

 

[Fontaine]

So how many of these guys do you think have an IQ below 100?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Americans_by_net_worth#United_States_billionaires_list

Measuring the worth of a man by the money he made is low iq American bullshit. In the tech industry, it was merely about being there first and sufficiently driven / ambitious.

 

[i_a_m_i]

^^^ read my earlier comment, media culture has allowed low and average IQ people to become celebrities because they are able to market themselves without any intellectual input and appeal to a broader base.

I did read your post. I am sure those french artists you listed had genuis-level IQs. Current-day celebrity culture is not very intellectual. Still, I don't see any reason to assume celebrities have below average average IQs. They probably have above average average IQs, simply because they are so successful while thousands of other wannabe celebrities have failed.

 

[Deleted member 2798]

When I think of a high status person I think of someone usually with a university degree, working in media, humanities, law, business, or STEM. You need an above average IQ to suceed in those things. <90-100IQ is not going to cut it.
High status family aside, you have an IQ of 90 you aren't (or it is extremely unlikely) going to be high status. You may or may not have a HS diploma. You'll probably be working at McDonald's or a grocery store or laying bricks. You can still slay if you are attractive, but it is very difficult to be high status and wealthy with an IQ of 90.

Celebrities are high status too, and maybe there isn't as high an IQ requirement, but I doubt the average celebrity has a below average IQ. I didn't mention celebrities because I didn't think it was relevant, because there are so few of them.

While people tend to develop romanticized ideas of charismatic doctors and articulate lawyers, the fact is that these "high status" positions are pretty much a sure route to cuxbux. Getting a Ph.D. in Electrical Engineering isn't going to let you slay 1/10th of the coeds you could just by cocking a flatbrim backwards, putting on some neon shoes, and stumbling into a frat party hamming it up like the lowest inhib, cockiest faggot out there. Prime pussy doesn't get wet get over an "educated man with an esteemed career".

Celebrity is a phenomenon, and could refer in different degrees to Ryan Reynolds or a locally famous SoundCloud rapper. Foids love celebrity and respond wildly to the slightest hint of it. This hint has roosted on many inferior specimens.

 

[Henry de Montherlant]

Extreme cope. EQ is a feminist fantasy.

Our world is turning feminist. So it's not a fantasy anymore.

 

[i_a_m_i]

Celebrity is a phenomenon, and could refer in different degrees to Ryan Reynolds or a locally famous SoundCloud rapper. Foids love celebrity and respond wildly to the slightest hint of it. This hint has roosted on many inferior specimens.

That makes sense. I guess I was only thinking of celebrity as the ones you see on TV and on the front page of YouTube, because I've never paid any attention to "local celebrities", only the big e-celebs and moviestars. Admittedly I don't really understand female nature, so I just assumed they would all chase after "high status" guys, meaning guys with actual power who get to boss people around.

 

[Deleted member 818]

Extreme cope. EQ is a feminist fantasy.

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

I did read your post. I am sure those french artists you listed had genuis-level IQs. Current-day celebrity culture is not very intellectual. Still, I don't see any reason to assume celebrities have below average average IQs. They probably have above average average IQs, simply because they are so successful while thousands of other wannabe celebrities have failed.

It’s more about contributors to art than standard celebrities. Milton actually laid it out well with the explanation of higher and lower pleasures. It used to be the case that higher pleasures, such as those found in the arts, were reserved for the elite class as the literary nuance in poetry was considered too complex for the comprehension of your average person (it still is really). Lower pleasures however, (food, sex etc.) so base that an animal can understand them are fit for consumption by the masses.

The difference in the modern day is that we have the established infrastructure for artists to produce art that concerns itself almost chiefly with the lower pleasures, which due to their universal nature are understood and celebrated by a larger portion of the population and thus supersede the higher pleasures in terms of their cultural relevance.

Because technology has minimised the creative innovation required by humans to produce art, it means that the less intelligent artists can rise higher and faster because they appeal to a broader fan base. They may not be stupid, but throughout history up until this point, meaningful and culturally successful art could only be produced by the top 1% of minds in any given society. Now any kid with some decks can become a recognised artist because the substantiate quality of their expected product has been so superficially dumbed down.

 

[jerrycan dan]

the average person here who LARPs as big brained isn't actually that big-brained, they just like to invest their mental energy into fields of interest that are considered intellectual.

IQ is correlated with career performance, not committing crime, getting a not-shit education and in general not being a complete dropkick. Incels are just defective - sometimes they're smart, but they're still defective human beings who aren't passing on their genes for a reason (usually looks, occasionally mental illness)

 

[YungCell]

I know that having a "high iq" like 115-120 wont necessary get you very far in life and if you go the tedious route of college and 9-5 the it means very very little even if you went to an ivy league because employers dont place alot of value on exactly which college you went to as long as you are qualified, but if you have an IQ of 140-180 then you are bound for success (unless you have some disease).
>I believe my IQ is average at best and that's just my luck but it's a mega cope when people claim IQ doesnt matter at all because they are simply attempting to put themselves on an even playing field with clearly smarter people.

 

[Phaoni]

The only advantage of iq and knowledge is not worldly but spiritual..

This, this and THIS.

You can ascend to Hermeticism with a great mind and great intelligence, but these two will NEVER get you ANY woman, I repeat, IQ and INTELLIGENCE DO NOT INCREASE YOUR CHANCES WITH WOMEN BY AN IOTA.

However, if you meet success in business or another important field (research in medicine or whatever), you have a chance at dating "some" hypergamous women, if other attractive traits about you are there.

 

[i_a_m_i]

It’s more about contributors to art than standard celebrities. Milton actually laid it out well with the explanation of higher and lower pleasures. It used to be the case that higher pleasures, such as those found in the arts, were reserved for the elite class as the literary nuance in poetry was considered too complex for the comprehension of your average person (it still is really). Lower pleasures however, (food, sex etc.) so base that an animal can understand them are fit for consumption by the masses.

The difference in the modern day is that we have the established infrastructure for artists to produce art that concerns itself almost chiefly with the lower pleasures, which due to their universal nature are understood and celebrated by a larger portion of the population and thus supersede the higher pleasures in terms of their cultural relevance.

Because technology has minimised the creative innovation required by humans to produce art, it means that the less intelligent artists can rise higher and faster because they appeal to a broader fan base. They may not be stupid, but throughout history up until this point, meaningful and culturally successful art could only be produced by the top 1% of minds in any given society. Now any kid with some decks can become a recognised artist because the substantiate quality of their expected product has been so superficially dumbed down.

I think you're right. Thanks for giving a detailed reply.

 

[Kirito3]

Cope. You mistake the postings of edgy teens (usually without any studies to back their claims up) with IQ. Intelligence can get you far in life. You need intelligence to make money, to analyze your situation and for practically everything. It'll even help you attract women indirectly, cause you'd be rather successful if you're intelligent, thus women.

No you dont. Intelligence with really shit looks= fail every interview for jobs or professional school

 

[Inbuddhist]

No you dont. Intelligence with really shit looks= fail every interview for jobs or professional school

Not every jobs are based on looks. If build trading algorithms for banks or do cryptography or build nuclear reactors etx etc litteraly nobody gives a shit avout your look, plus with high intelligence you can build your own project.

Sometimes your exagerations make the incel community look aspie as fuck. Intelligence can get you far in life, just not with moment, but it can give you money and status.

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

I think you're right. Thanks for giving a detailed reply.

Thank you, I always get way too caught up in the syntax of my replies and spend far longer on them than I should, haha. I’d probably have a red display name if I didn’t spend so long getting caught up in excruciating perfectionism.

 

[Kirito3]

Not every jobs are based on looks. If build trading algorithms for banks or do cryptography litteraly nobody gives a shit avout your look, plus with high intelligence you can build your own project.

Sometimes your exagerations make the incel community look aspie as fuck. Intelligence can get you far in life, just not with moment, but it can give you money and status.

Literally every job that requires an interview tests your looks.

 

[Inbuddhist]

Literally every job that requires an interview tests your looks.

What you are saying is extremely retarded.

You don't understand that with certain type of jobs, those that requires top notch intelligence/skills, the supply of workers are limited, employeers don't even have the luxury or chosing between dozens. You are retarded if you think there are 1000 world class cryptographers that are interviewed based on their looks, the best cryptographer would be demanded. The best hacker would be demanded without even passing an interview, just showing a revolutionary piece of code/algorithm would be enough.

And you forgot completely that extremely smart people can build their own things. It's extremely low IQ to assume the only jobs that exist are those provided by companies, we are talking about high intelligence here not your own limited and ridiculously wrong knowledge of the job market.

Frankly what you say is so ridiculous and blatantly false that i'm not continuing this debate, waste of time.

 

[monkeyman]

The only people who truly care about IQ are human biodiversity buffs. And they only care about the topic as it pertains to race and group differences, not individual variance.

I know that having a "high iq" like 115-120 wont necessary get you very far in life and if you go the tedious route of college and 9-5 the it means very very little even if you went to an ivy league because employers dont place alot of value on exactly which college you went to as long as you are qualified, but if you have an IQ of 140-180 then you are bound for success (unless you have some disease).
>I believe my IQ is average at best and that's just my luck but it's a mega cope when people claim IQ doesnt matter at all because they are simply attempting to put themselves on an even playing field with clearly smarter people.

I read somewhere that IQ fails to predict success as you go further to right on the distribution.

 

[Inbuddhist]

The only people who truly care about IQ are human biodiversity buffs. And they only care about the topic as it pertains to race and group differences, not individual variance.



I read somewhere that IQ fails to predict success as you go further to right on the distribution.

Except OP Didn't talk just about IQ. But intelligence and knowledge. Sorry but high intelligence with the right knowledge can make you rich and give you status, and it's retarded to pretend otherwise.