Incels should finance their looksmaxxing research

[Mediterraneancel]

Violence will never give back a normal appearance and sex life, and we can say the same thing of hypothetical political projects of denying women of their rights: women are nowadays predisposed to hate ugly men (partially they were so also in the past but they couldnt deny us sex). We can only dream that one distant, improbable day the few of us who will have moneymaxxed (few of us, wealth is for few people) will be able to buy looksmaxxing techniques that now have not been invented yet: big facial osteotomies, torso lenghtening etc.

Incels, or at least incels who have the economic possibilities should unite in associations, and finance a team of scientists to undertsand the bases of facial beauty, body attractiveness, etc. and implement new surgical techniques to modify incel appearance.

Today's looksmaxxing is lacking, few people turn from ugly to normal or handsome with these technques, but a distant day maybe it will possible. My impression is that both plastic surgeons and incel communities have limited understanding of what make a face attractive, at least they don't understand the realtive importance of a good midface ration in comparison to that of a small nose. In any case, to get the truth on these matter would give us a piece of dignity, even if we will never be able to intervene. Maybe I am too much a dreamer, but it is the last hope.

 

[WizardofSoda]

The dreaming is what imagines huge business opportunities. Which is what you are talking about how big the opportunity really is. To have it like an actual science the aesthetics. In addition to the development of science and technology to give more things people can do to improve their looks.

Right now medicine is in many areas still in the pre-industrial era, of artisans working by themselves. What they need is to make it like a corporation like think of computing with Intel, TSMC, AMD, Samsung, Nvidia, Qualcomm, etc.. Its not just some artisan working alone in his shop with a few things he has learned.

Its mega corporations with literally thousands and thousands of scientists and engineers working on the project. And corporate organization.

 

[Fancy Alcoholic]

I am too much a dreamer

tbh

 

[Mediterraneancel]

The dreaming is what imagines huge business opportunities. Which is what you are talking about how big the opportunity really is. To have it like an actual science the aesthetics. In addition to the development of science and technology to give more things people can do to improve their looks.

Right now medicine is in many areas still in the pre-industrial era, of artisans working by themselves. What they need is to make it like a corporation like think of computing with Intel, TSMC, AMD, Samsung, Nvidia, Qualcomm, etc.. Its not just some artisan working alone in his shop with a few things he has learned.

Its mega corporations with literally thousands and thousands of scientists and engineers working on the project. And corporate organization.

Yes, if I had the opportunities, I would create a firm in this field. I was talking about our future looksmaxxing hopes, but I miss that it is also a business opportunity

 

[Mediterraneancel]

tbh

ok

 

[Mediterraneancel]

tbh

The fact is that I know that my hopes are remote and unlikely but I think that are also the most probable thing I can imagine as a solution

 

[Fancy Alcoholic]

The fact is that I know that my hopes are remote and unlikely but I think that are also the most probable thing I can imagine as a solution

Surgery isn't a long term solutions. Then you have to do check up every once in a while, and it can turn gore every time. And unless you find the 1% surgeon who actually does a good job, surgery can easily be detected by anyone, including foids, and they can use it to dwell into your insecurities and make fun of you. And it costs a lot of money and time being in hospitals, all that in order to eventually invite a 5/10 landwhale in a restaurant so that she can get free food from you. I really don't see the appeal to fall for the surgery meme in these dire times. The only ppl beneffitting from all this are aesthetic surgeons and instawhores doing advertisment for them. All other ppl meddling with this crookie business is getting cucked.

 

[Mediterraneancel]

Surgery isn't a long term solutions. Then you have to do check up every once in a while, and it can turn gore every time. And unless you find the 1% surgeon who actually does a good job, surgery can easily be detected by anyone, including foids, and they can use it to dwell into your insecurities and make fun of you. And it costs a lot of money and time being in hospitals, all that in order to eventually invite a 5/10 landwhale in a restaurant so that she can get free food from you. I really don't see the appeal to fall for the surgery meme in these dire times. The only ppl beneffitting from all this are aesthetic surgeons and instawhores doing advertisment for them. All other ppl meddling with this crookie business is getting cucked.

I think you are overgenerilize. There are surgeries like rhinoplasties that can improve a bit your looks. In any case i am talking about surgeries that have not been implemented yet.

 

[Fancy Alcoholic]

I think you are overgenerilize. There are surgeries like rhinoplasties that can improve a bit your looks. In any case i am talking about surgeries that have not been implemented yet.

Just butcher your nose theory.

 

[Mediterraneancel]

Just butcher your nose theory.

Tell me, what makes you think that we should rule out any possibility to change our facial attractiveness
even in the future
Maybe you will convince me. We dont even undertsand what makes a face attractive

 

[Fancy Alcoholic]

Tell me, what makes you think that we should rule out any possibility to change our facial attractiveness
even in the future
Maybe you will convince me. We dont even undertsand what makes a face attractive

That's the problem actually. You can't be your own judge on that matter, as the only opinion that really matters is the other sex opinion, if you're only doing it to get free pussy. Most ppl doing surgery, men and women, tend to do it "for themselves" and in the end, even if they "feel good" about their brand new image, their natural look was objectively less uncanny from a mating perspective. Doing it "for yourself" might feel good for somer weeks but it will not change the situation you're trying to change in the long run. And as those lost people realize that problem, they become addicted to surgery and get butchered even more on more and more parts of their anatomy, , instead of facing the fact they did a mistake. Believing that it's the only way for them to finally "feel good about themeselves" (what a joke), they forget the reason why they did it in the first place. And I'm not even sure the original reason is a good reason to begin with anyway, for as you said it, we don't really understand what makes a face attractive : there are a lot of redpill contents on the internet trying to rationalize things, but in the end they are just describing a temporary trend of a certain moment in Hollywood's history regarding good looking people working in the industry making ppl jealous and envious. Our beauty standards nowadays are literally just that.

 

[Mediterraneancel]

That's the problem actually. You can't be your own judge on that matter, as the only opinion that really matters is the other sex opinion, if you're only doing it to get free pussy. Most ppl doing surgery, men and women, tend to do it "for themselves" and in the end, even if they "feel good" about their brand new image, their natural look was objectively less uncanny from a mating perspective. Doing it "for yourself" might feel good for somer weeks but it will not change the situation you're trying to change in the long run. And as those lost people realize that problem, they become addicted to surgery and get butchered even more on more and more parts of their anatomy, , instead of facing the fact they did a mistake. Believing that it's the only way for them to finally "feel good about themeselves" (what a joke), they forget the reason why they did it in the first place. And I'm not even sure the original reason is a good reason to begin with anyway, for as you said it, we don't really understand what makes a face attractive : there are a lot of redpill contents on the internet trying to rationalize things, but in the end they are just describing a temporary trend of a certain moment in Hollywood's history regarding good looking people working in the industry making ppl jealous and envious. Our beauty standards nowadays are literally just that.

The first part on plastic surgery is a good critique that I support.
Regarding the Hollywood part I dont think so, there are trends but there are also features (especially harmonious proportions that are universal) that indicate good genes and development. if aesthetic canons depend on Hollywood why do you think scientific research is almost universally concordant that attractiveness perception is mostly objective?

 

[Mediterraneancel]

That's the problem actually. You can't be your own judge on that matter, as the only opinion that really matters is the other sex opinion, if you're only doing it to get free pussy. Most ppl doing surgery, men and women, tend to do it "for themselves" and in the end, even if they "feel good" about their brand new image, their natural look was objectively less uncanny from a mating perspective. Doing it "for yourself" might feel good for somer weeks but it will not change the situation you're trying to change in the long run. And as those lost people realize that problem, they become addicted to surgery and get butchered even more on more and more parts of their anatomy, , instead of facing the fact they did a mistake. Believing that it's the only way for them to finally "feel good about themeselves" (what a joke), they forget the reason why they did it in the first place. And I'm not even sure the original reason is a good reason to begin with anyway, for as you said it, we don't really understand what makes a face attractive : there are a lot of redpill contents on the internet trying to rationalize things, but in the end they are just describing a temporary trend of a certain moment in Hollywood's history regarding good looking people working in the industry making ppl jealous and envious. Our beauty standards nowadays are literally just that.

The redpill is quite good in analyzing a component of facial attractiveness (the others being, according to me, proportions, skin and absolute dimensions), but it is particularly lacking for what regards mathematical proportions and angles (e.g. midface ratio). There is in fact no comprehensive theory regarding that, we dont know how ratios and features combine together well in a model face compared to a face with similar features but not so good looking. Also we know that hunter eyes are better than prey eyes for examples, however nobody has quantified their relative role (how much prey eyes detract points).

As I have said i have a personally theory on visual physical attractiveness. There are four components
1. Dimensions: as penis size, height, also facial size has its underrated importance
2. Proportions and angles, the less understood component
3. Shape of facial features, similar to proportions but the shapes can be described with drawing. To be precise, shapes can be described with proportions and vice versa
4. Skin, residual if there are not major diseases or aging