inceldom if rebranded and distanced from right-wing traditional misogyny can quite easily go mainstream

[manletcel1488]

i've thought of stuff like this before too. trust me they wouldn't listen.

 

[manletcel1488]

at least then there wont be a large social media crackdown that prevents us from organizing

Wrong. We will always be demonized and seen as the enemy, you are making the mistake of thinking people are well intentioned, they arent, lonely men will always be seen as a pest by the elite who need to be exterminated or made docile, they won't care about our struggle because that means chad has to stop fucking tons of pussy and females have to stop being whores, they aren't going to do that out of kindness because we have the right arguments.

 

[Todd Thundercock]

I think the way to connect with normies is lean more towards the antiwork and MGTOW narratives, which we share some opinions on.

But, fuck trying to win over normies. What's the point?

 

[Cincel]

Misogyny has always been mainstream, the right amount of autoritharism towards foids to make them obey men. But feminism has turned it into something "bad".

Whores only want freedom to be that, sluts.
They wanna act like men but be judge as foidlets. Double standards.

 

[blackpillednigga]

Soyfaggot retard, inceldom is already going mainstream

no. it has gained more attention but that doesnt translate towards becoming mainstream. right now it's looked at the same way nazism is

and the reason is because men STOPPED trying to pander to foids.
Simping for foids gets you nowhere,it just makes them lose even more respect for you, they will never care about people like you, stop coping, they already know our life is hell they just don't care.

you and @LOLI BREEDING are both low iq if that's what you got from my thread. point to me where I advocated for simping or supporting foids

 

[blackpillednigga]

Wrong. We will always be demonized and seen as the enemy, you are making the mistake of thinking people are well intentioned, they arent, lonely men will always be seen as a pest by the elite who need to be exterminated or made docile, they won't care about our struggle because that means chad has to stop fucking tons of pussy and females have to stop being whores, they aren't going to do that out of kindness because we have the right arguments.

it's not normies that we're winning over. it's the incels-in-denial. right now the number of self-declared incels is extremely low but if we just increased our numbers we would be able to organize and accomplish a lot more. maybe not succeed with a revolution but we would be a lot more influential

 

[manletcel1488]

you and @LOLI BREEDING are both low iq if that's what you got from my thread. point to me where I advocated for simping or supporting foids

You want to rebrand it to appeal more to normies which implies pandering to foids, that is what you are doing even if indirectly.

 

[blackpillednigga]

You want to rebrand it to appeal more to normies which implies pandering to foids, that is what you are doing even if indirectly.

it's not normies that we're winning over. it's the incels-in-denial.

 

[Uncle Death]

So basically playing the victim like a fucking tranny? Got it.

 

[manletcel1488]

it's not normies that we're winning over. it's the incels-in-denial.

Incels in denial aren't going to change and if they are then they will with time without our help, the reason they stay in denial is because they believe in bluepill crap that women will magically become attracted to them one day if they keep parroting what females tell them to say.
What young men need is places where people tell them the raw truth, not pandering crap. This is why the blackpill has been exploding in popularity recently.

 

[blackpillednigga]

What young men need is places where people tell them the raw truth, not pandering crap. This is why the blackpill has been exploding in popularity recently.

and how does my strategy of rebranding change the truth that I'm telling them? I still advocate for spreading the blackpill, just without the white supremacy and traditional gender roles (as in the idea that women should be housewives) so the incels-in-denial would feel more welcome regardless of their race and their support of traditionalism

 

[manletcel1488]

and how does my strategy of rebranding change the truth that I'm telling them? I still advocate for spreading the blackpill, just without the white supremacy and traditional gender roles (as in the idea that women should be housewives) so the incels-in-denial would feel more welcome regardless of their race and their support of traditionalism

Lots of people on this forum have different beliefs about race and traditionalism already, I'm sure we disagree a lot about these things for example, but we are both still here, they are welcome here as long as they are incel.
There are also other places that are less restrictive than here where you can also discuss blackpilled topics.
Imagine being an incel in denial because you disagree about politcal issues with someone.
Censoring these issues is just going to make us look gay and appeal less to men, males are desperate for spaces where they can say what they really think about these things, not be censored like everywhere else.

 

[blackpillednigga]

Lots of people on this forum have different beliefs about race and traditionalism already, I'm sure we disagree a lot about these things for example, but we are both still here, they are welcome here as long as they are incel.

I know that, but the loudest incel voices so far that are making it to mainstream social media pages are either white supremacists or those that want "muh tradition". and for the incels-in-denial that are non-white or not in favor of traditionalism would be put off from joining. that's a huge chunk of incels-in-denial that can easily be converted to incels if we advertised ourselves as more neutral

There are also other places that are less restrictive than here where you can also discuss blackpilled topics.
Imagine being an incel in denial because you disagree about politcal issues with someone.

I think it's more like they fear they would not get accepted so they avoid joining. it's not a simple disagreement. I know in reality we're quite diverse and accepting of any views but if you came off as mainly in support of one thing than the people that dont support that thing would be less inclined to join

Censoring these issues is just going to make us look gay and appeal less to men, males are desperate for spaces where they can say what they really think about these things, not be censored like everywhere else.

I know what you mean but I don't think you understand that I'm not advocating for censorship but to advertise ourselves as more neutral to recruit more potential incels. I know for sure there are a lot more than 40,000 incels. the line should only be drawn on trannies and actual faggots

 

[Fire]

Inceldom has too much baggage but the blackpill is going mainstream. Incels in denial are latching onto it.

This take. As long as it forces normies to bluescreen, we've won.

Think about the long term effects of putting women in their place. BP awareness is the way.

and if all white supremacists get purged from incel movements

Can't really get rid of them tbh. They infest any free speech space and spew their egotistical rhetoric. Hardly related to inceldom in my opinion.

 

[DarkStar]

I agree. We shouldn't allow them to smear us as far-right extremists. It only helps them discredit us and push for censorship. Involuntary celibacy and the male loneliness crisis should be a bipartisan issues. Besides, it isn't even accurate to say that we're all far-right. The literature suggests that incels are politically and ethnically diverse, with many being left-leaning.

I'm pretty sure those studies factor in both economic and social factors, which could place many on a "left" axis.

For example, if we just measured economics alone I'd be centrist to center-left(Corporatist Socialism)

And "far-right" is just a buzzword for anyone who isn't on the woke, globohomo Neo-liberal side of things.

I disagree, Sure mainstream right wingers definitely don't like us however mainstream left wingers actively hate us, they are the ones pushing for us to be considered terrorists. Every single fucking faggot on IT is a major leftoid, almost every person talking poorly about incels online is fucking mainstream leftoid. While mainstream right wingers might still simp for women, mainstream left wingers push for more feminism, Where there is conflict between a man and woman they ALWAYS side with the foid, there is atleast some point at where a woman is acting so horribly that most right wingers say she was in the wrong, mainstream leftoids rarely ever do this.

The Right wing also are more "aligned" with us by default, since we're both branded as "dissidents" and labeled as such for various reasons. Now yes, they are very flawed, still simp for foids, but the left hate us wayyyyy more and are far more gynocentric. Like you said, theres a point where even Conservacucks will say a foid was wrong, yet the mainstream left is the literal party of foids.

I've met TONS of Incels in denial on various RW & WN spaces over the years. They may still be blindsided, but I'd say they're usually in a better position to become blackpilled than most Leftists. Many RW ideologies sort of speak of an inherent "structure" to things, as well as are more tied to Christianity, which whilst cucked does at least speak of internet differences of men and women.

I would say all mainstream politics including the right are part of the problem. they both hate us equally

See above. I also would say the Right is more honest in general, since they do believe in the principle "survival of the fittest" which is a blackpilled view in a way.

Limp dick mainstream "socialists" are part of the problem, they will NEVER be an ally to inceldom. They are faggots that pushed women to be more promiscuous, They pushed feminism, They push trannyism, They are the enemy.

Actual socialism used to be quite good. Contrary to what many think, socialism existed before that of Marx.

In socialism, traditionally, it was established that everyone naturally would fall into a "place" and that each role was just as essential for the maintaining of society, whilst also ensuring every class was cared for to carry out its role successfully.

 

[DarkStar]

This take. As long as it forces normies to bluescreen, we've won.

Think about the long term effects of putting women in their place. BP awareness is the way.

This

Can't really get rid of them tbh. They infest any free speech space and spew their egotistical rhetoric. Hardly related to inceldom in my opinion.

I've seen a good amount of ethnics behave in similar manners. Also, theres a difference between thinking you're better because of your race and just being against immigration and diversity. Idk why it's so shocking to so many ethnics here that some White users come across as "Chuds" and might be a bit "racist" at times.

 

[Kamanbert]

most incels here want a woman that actually loves them. what you're advocating for is just gold diggers and they already exist.

No you're wrong if you reduce the ancient model to the question of providing. This is false on top of being a feminist optic and i'm tired of it. Men will never win cause they're so confused, it's fucking incredible.

The feelings of contemporary women who voluntarily go for the men they want (that's what you mean by love i guess) are no different from those of the women of the past who were "less empowered" and went for average men, women are not that deep and men too for that matter. It's just a question of threshold and perceptions, and men in the past had 1000 times more respect and credibility simply by existing, kinda like women do now. It was more conducive for really being loved and respected, whatever that fucking means when talking about women and their legendary fickleness ; i wouldn't think that the guys that get chosen today are more loved than our grand grandpas given how often they still get zapped in divorces.

 

[DarkStar]

What young men need is places where people tell them the raw truth, not pandering crap. This is why the blackpill has been exploding in popularity recently.

and how does my strategy of rebranding change the truth that I'm telling them? I still advocate for spreading the blackpill, just without the white supremacy and traditional gender roles (as in the idea that women should be housewives) so the incels-in-denial would feel more welcome regardless of their race and their support of traditionalism

1. White Supremacy is mainly just Nationalism. I don't know how hard it is for the ingrates here to understand, but mentioning crime stats and then citing your reasons against immigration doesn't make you a "supremacist" which is just another epithet added to the term to try and demonize it, since it implies WN want to subjugate others. We also speak of racial realism, which coincides with the basic views of the blackpill and that of genetic determinism. I'm not using it to make myself feel better, it's just an objective analysis. @Fire

2. I don't support traditional gender roles, but we ofc have to acknowledge that theres inherent biological differences in men and women, and that women also should be barred from certain societal roles.

3. Why didn't you call out both the JBW & JBB/JBE shills? All are counterintuitive, and further just divide us. I've only mentioned JBB/JBE to point out the hypocrisy from some ethnicels/blackcels

 

[DarkStar]

Lots of people on this forum have different beliefs about race and traditionalism already, I'm sure we disagree a lot about these things for example, but we are both still here, they are welcome here as long as they are incel.

There's plenty of ethnics who shit on us for "muh colonialism" and other things, yet somehow it's just us that's the issue?

 

[SmhChan]

No you're wrong if you reduce the ancient model to the question of providing. This is false on top of being a feminist optic and i'm tired of it. Men will never win cause they're so confused, it's fucking incredible.

The feelings of contemporary women who voluntarily go for the men they want (that's what you mean by love i guess) are no different from those of the women of the past who were "less empowered" and went for average men, women are not that deep and men too for that matter. It's just a question of threshold and perceptions, and men in the past had 1000 times more respect and credibility simply by existing, kinda like women do now. It was more conducive for really being loved and respected, whatever that fucking means when talking about women and their legendary fickleness ; i wouldn't think that the guys that get chosen today are more loved than our grand grandpas given how often they still get zapped in divorces.

Now that I think more (as a kid I grew up in a rather conservative environment, but India has gone through a massive cultural change in the last ten years), as a kid, I never heard from older men about being loved by a foid. It was always a young man's (delusional) musings.

men in the past had 1000 times more respect and credibility simply by existing

Tbh, disagreement here. Men just weren't treated like dirt. A man was still subjected a larger scrutiny if they weren't financially well-off.

 

[Kamanbert]

Many RW ideologies sort of speak of an inherent "structure" to things, as well as are more tied to Christianity, which whilst cucked does at least speak of internet differences of men and women.

There is nothing cucked about this. It's a feminist's worst fucking nightmare. I dont get where you guys want to go with all of this debate, what you even believe in. It's maybe any sense of responsibility that repels you, idk.

2. I don't support traditional gender roles, but we ofc have to acknowledge that theres inherent biological differences in men and women, and that women also should be barred from certain societal roles.

That's contradictory as hell.

 

[Kamanbert]

Now that I think more (as a kid I grew up in a rather conservative environment, but India has gone through a massive cultural in the last ten years), as a kid, I never heard from older men about being loved by a foid. It was always a young man's (delusional) musings.

I think this might be very cultural though. I lived around ethnics my whole life, they're less emotionally and socially expressive in general especially for things like love. Romance as a widespread idea even for lower classes was a very western thing i think. I do have good examples of older generations couples in my family. But then yeah human nature being human nature, (and especially foid nature) i'm not saying that men always had it perfect even when society treated them with more consideration.

 

[DarkStar]

I dont get where you guys want to go with all of this debate, what you even believe in. It's maybe any sense of responsibility that repels you, idk.

I don't get what your trying to state here mang

That's contradictory as hell.

Elab, because it isn't

 

[SmhChan]

I think this might be very cultural though. I lived around ethnics my whole life, they're less emotionally and socially expressive in general especially for things like love. Romance as a widespread idea even for lower classes was a very western thing i think. I do have good examples of older generations couples in my family. But then yeah human nature being human nature, (and especially foid nature) i'm not saying that men always had it perfect even when society treated them with more consideration.

Yeah, but in West too, from the period dramas, films, and novels I have consumed, there was this concept of 'arranged romance' where families would arrange it with their agreements. The dating shit mainly exploded in west as more foids started going financially independent and with the internet shit spread like a wildfire, the more hedonic version of 50s' dating aka hookup culture, in Ethnic countries.

 

[Kamanbert]

Tbh, disagreement here. Men just weren't treated like dirt. A man was still subjected a larger scrutiny if they weren't financially well-off.

Yeah might be so... maybe not being treated like dirt is enough to me given how bad we have it now

I don't get what your trying to state here mang

Well you seem to say that a trad system is cucked. Even if it would come with a real patriarchy (and not the trad tiktok tradwife parody). I sincerely have no better hypothetical solution for all of the modern gender problem than reactionism.

Elab, because it isn't

Being for a non-gender role society then selectively barring women from certain roles is contradictory. Of course those questions have a fluidity to them, like for example women working in the factories during the world wars despite society still being "trad". But then i'm not surprised when i learn that second wave feminism has a connection to that event. If a society is incoherent it ends up deteriorating.

 

[Kamanbert]

Yeah, but in West too, from the period dramas, films, and novels I have consumed, there was this concept of 'arranged romance' where families would arrange it with their agreements. The dating shit mainly exploded in west as more foids started going financially independent and with the internet shit spread like a wildfire, the more hedonic version of 50s' dating aka hookup culture, in Ethnic countries.

Yeah, let's say it was never really black and white but people made it work out in the end cause of stronger values and less points of friction between genders, that's the way i see it.

Like :

If you read this couples story (told by the surviving wife) it's kinda incredible. It almost seems that our whole contemporary zeitgeist is keen on shitting on actually wholesome things. Now i'm not saying this shouldn't be an outlier : it's better if women can marry men their age and even have a choice, of course. The thing is, they always had those things to some degree. Men were just not seen as pieces of shit and predators but actually had respect and trust so stuff like this could be socially acceptable.

And i'm NOT using this image because i'm some pedo. I use this solely for the shock effect : imagine the respect even normal guys like this guy had for this to happen. This need to be understood. It's vital to understand where we stand as men. What was before and what is now. Your smv is non-detachable of how society perceives masculinity at large. Foids are extremely hypergamic and looks obsessed because you've been symbolically dragged through the fucking mud. Looks and status etc are equalizers cause at a base level you mean nothing as a man. It was not like this in the past.

And sorry but :

(The current president of France and the first lady when they met) is the same thing, maybe even worse cause the parents were not involved, and yet no one bats an eye. And somehow, approaching a 20 years old as a 30 years old man is creepy now. What a joke.

 

[SmhChan]

women working in the factories during the world wars despite society still being "trad". But then i'm not surprised when i learn that second wave feminism has a connection to that event. If a society is incoherent it ends up deteriorating.

Tbh, Soviet employed even more foids without feminism, because Stalin couldn't stop chucking every young man in sight into the battlefield. It took men dying in droves to make it a practical reason to employ foids in workplaces. Just reinforces that nothing empowers foids more than men's infighting. Now we have to pay for the sins of our fathers, with books and articles dedicated to how much foids contributed in the past and it also successfully planted in our collective consciousness this distorted idea foids are needed in workplace. Of course, the motive is completely different. Foids have never been needed so little in workplace than in this modern world.

 

[Kamanbert]

Tbh, Soviet employed even more foids without feminism, because Stalin couldn't stop chucking every young man in sight into the battlefield. It took men dying in droves to make it a practical reason to employ foids in workplaces. Just reinforces that nothing empowers foids more than men's infighting. Now we have to pay for the sins of our fathers, with books and articles dedicated to how much foids contributed in the past and it also successfully planted in our collective consciousness this distorted idea foids are needed in workplace. Of course, the motive is completely different. Foids have never been needed so little in workplace than in this modern world.

Well soviet union was already feministic in essence. They even recruited women in the army. Doesnt disprove my point that a society being ambiguous about those things will shoot itself in the feet no ? I agree that those wars suck and you're right, "the sins of our fathers" is how i'd put it. There's even a theory that the two world wars, especially the second one, might be the reason for masculinity losing steam : men especially western men are generationally traumatized by it and kinda slowly make way for others (women and ethnic minorities). This, along with technological changes and stuff, might explain how fast everything changed and got longhoused as fuck.

 

[SmhChan]

If you read this couples story (told by the surviving wife) it's kinda incredible. It almost seems that our whole contemporary zeitgeist is keen on shitting on actually wholesome things.

Just read a general summary. Wholesome indeed. I know how wholesome and "pure" foids can be too. There are things I can admit about them too, but I really don't wanna humanize them before my brothers. Feel like sends a wrong message.

(The current president of France and the first lady when they met) is the same thing, maybe even worse cause the parents were not involved, and yet no one bats an eye. And somehow, approaching a 20 years old as a 30 years old man is creepy now. What a joke.

Btw, WTF? That bitch is 71 rn while Macaroni 47.

 

[Kamanbert]

Just read a general summary. Wholesome indeed. I know how wholesome and "pure" foids can be too. There are things I can admit about them too,

Yes we shouldn't hate our other half of humanity. Even if i know what the ones possibly reading me know think about me. Tbh you should just kill me femoids this existence doesn't matter to me anyway !

but I really don't wanna humanize them before my brothers. Feel like sends a wrong message.

I understand

Btw, WTF? That bitch is 71 rn while Macaroni 47.

Ikr ? Ridiculous. Macron is a weird fuck

 

[Fire]

Why didn't you call out both the JBW & JBB/JBE shills?

We all know they are gay and have no argument besides BBC.

 

[iRespectFatLink]

Inceldom has too much baggage but the blackpill is going mainstream. Incels in denial are latching onto it.

Just look at the amount of subs in r/foreveralone. I bet there are plenty of people there who at least believe that some aspects of the "blackpill" are true.

 

[EngelCallDell19]

good point but then neocucks would just accuse incels of being leftists thus incel = MUH WOKE MIND VIRUS

 

[femcelbreedingnig]

if the term "incel" is avoided (use lonely men instead) and the type of "misogyny" is centered around hating women for having high standards rather than hating women for not being traditional submissive wives then we would gain a lot more acceptance. also if we talk about wage-slavery and the effects of capitalism on lonely men then we could appease the socialist crowds. and if all white supremacists get purged from incel movements

Our solutions to our plight are inherently “backwards” & trad.
You will never escape this fact

 

[blackpillednigga]

1. White Supremacy is mainly just Nationalism. I don't know how hard it is for the ingrates here to understand, but mentioning crime stats and then citing your reasons against immigration doesn't make you a "supremacist" which is just another epithet added to the term to try and demonize it, since it implies WN want to subjugate others. We also speak of racial realism, which coincides with the basic views of the blackpill and that of genetic determinism. I'm not using it to make myself feel better, it's just an objective analysis. @Fire

not all white nationalists are supremacists but all supremacists are nationalists. all nationalists support the supremacists at least to some degree. they're not the same exact thing, but they're pretty much the same anyways. and the blackpill is not in favor of white nationalism since its neutral and doesnt say that non-whites are inferior (besides appearance or SMV) or are incapable of living with whites. basically white nationalism is to inceldom what feminism is to jihadism; not related at all

2. I don't support traditional gender roles, but we ofc have to acknowledge that theres inherent biological differences in men and women, and that women also should be barred from certain societal roles.

these trad gender roles entirely stem from the simped idea that foids are precious and must be protected from doing things that could hurt them. nah Im in favor of foids doing wage-slavery and being sent to the front lines since its the only way they can truly go through the same suffering that we go through. but anyways I dont think incels should brand themselves as pro-tradition, it discourages many potential incels from joining

3. Why didn't you call out both the JBW & JBB/JBE shills? All are counterintuitive, and further just divide us. I've only mentioned JBB/JBE to point out the hypocrisy from some ethnicels/blackcels

you're right, though I hang out more in off-topic section so I dont see those types of posts as frequently but those shills are wrong and shouldnt be allowed to speak for most of us either. I used to believe in JBW but I realized its retarded and oversimplified since neurodivergent or ugly whites cant get laid no matter what