Incel trait: you are (or were) agreeable

[andinocel]

Here is a definition for agreeableness that I copied:

What is agreeableness? Agreeableness is a personality trait that describes a person's ability to put others needs before their own. Those who are more agreeable are more likely to be empathetic and find pleasure in helping others and working with people who need more help

ive been an agreeable pushover most of my life. Good looking people can get away with being jerks.

This is cringey to write, but when I was still in blackpill denial, I read self help books on how to be more assertive, and also began reading redpill advice online, and when I followed that advice, it fell flat -- people began to fade away from my life and my family kept asking what was wrong with me. At some point, a few guys in public look like they were going to hit me whenever I put up an attitude. The few times at work when I put my foot down, I would get called out and "advised"
If you're ugly, especially if you're an ugly male, normies expect you to be sweet, harmless, and submissive

 

[Ahnfeltia]

I don't think I ever was excessively agreeable.

 

[AnotherInsertCel]

My first words were NO!

 

[_meh]

I'm pretty agreeable person irl, but not so much online lol.

 

[TBIcel]

My case is where certainly became more burnt out psychologically and less concerned with what NPCs of both genders think. (Many men are NPCs and all women are). They are vindictive petty, irrational and back stabbing. Why should I care what my lessers think afterall.

 

[_meh]

Yeah incels are forced to be agreeable with other people.

Because as soon as incel starts becoming more demanding or assertive, he'll most likely just be shunned or put down.

 

[TBIcel]

I'm pretty agreeable person irl, but not so much online lol.

How old are you anyway if you dont mind me asking? Its a trait you might and hopefully largely outgrow with age since it is a trait usually to the detrement of whomever has it.

 

[Stupid Clown]

I've been agreeable and submissive most of my life but recently I've become more hateful and dominant. There's only so many times you can get kicked down before you stop giving a shit about what people say.

 

[_meh]

How old are you anyway if you dont mind me asking? Its a trait you might and hopefully largely outgrow with age since it is a trait usually to the detrement of whomever has it.

I'm old. I'm 28 years old.

 

[TBIcel]

Yeah incels are forced to be agreeable with other people.

Because as soon as incel starts becoming more demanding or assertive, he'll most likely just be shunned or put down.

To an extent thats largely true as an incel you kind of get shunned largely for existing. I try and pick and choose my battles and weigh my options and my goto is self segregating I cannot get shunned if nobody realizes I exist last town i lived in since i worked remotely it was nearly 2 years before a single individual knew my name.

 

[ADHD_cel]

I’m a giga narcy without a chad face, kek

 

[_meh]

How old are you anyway if you dont mind me asking? Its a trait you might and hopefully largely outgrow with age since it is a trait usually to the detrement of whomever has it.

What about you?

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

Yep, I can't even stand up for myself for the sake on not offending anybody else.

 

[_meh]

To an extent thats largely true as an incel you kind of get shunned largely for existing. I try and pick and choose my battles and weigh my options and my goto is self segregating I cannot get shunned if nobody realizes I exist last town i lived in since i worked remotely it was nearly 2 years before a single individual knew my name.

Yeah I mean you gotta protect yourself from these normies (and that's through keeping it to yourself or some what hiding), they're really vicious.

 

[Neeru]

I sure was, but recently I'm more angry and retorting more often. Not much else to lose at this point.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

The people who have or had this trait

Were you guys raised mostly by your mother? Because this is mostly a women trait

Raised by both parents but I've always been told not to talk back and never show anger. Was afraid to fight back against bullies in school because then I would get in trouble and that would result in my parents belting my ass at home.

 

[Stupid Clown]

same were u raised mostly by your mother btw?

Yes, am fatherless. What about you?

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

I had an abusive cunt father

But my mother mostly raised me

Now I practically raise myself, sometimes my parents help me

But I have been on my own since I was 16

You're more of a man than me, ngl.

 

[Stupid Clown]

I had an abusive cunt father

But my mother mostly raised me

Now I practically raise myself, sometimes my parents help me

But I have been on my own since I was 16

Samish. No good parental figures.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

lol wym

what happened bro whats your story

You basically had to work for yourself at 16 and I'm still a NEET at 21.

 

[Stupid Clown]

Yep

were you an only child aswell?

I have no siblings aswell which sucks

I have a Chad brother.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

You can still get a job or go to college

I still do some stuff here and there online, but that's it really.

 

[andinocel]

The people who have or had this trait

Were you guys raised mostly by your mother? Because this is mostly a women trait

No. Raised by both parents, but my father was extremely controlling and would hit me for insignificant things. My mom changed when I hit puberty (I guess she was disappointed at how ugly I started to turn out) and was a condescending bitch, always insulting me at every turn and even giving ne looks of disgust ona few occasions. My sister would stand by and do nothing as her friends would bully me (and occasionally join in).

This all kind of forced me to stay in the background and be as mild mannered as possible, as I got the message that my mere existence annoyed others

 

[Stupid Clown]

thats brutal

why doesnt your brother try to help you out?

Also whats the age difference between you two?

My brother always bullied me and he's like 5 or 6 years older.

 

[BraincelsRefugee]

I agree with this post

 

[huaus]

I’m a giga narcy without a chad face

 

[UnwantedVirgin]

This is a problem with autism, can't tell what people's true intentions are so you just go along with them.

 

[wei#3959]

Agreeable

 

[Jake Roberts]

I was, and am most certainly an agreeable person by most general standards. I am a walking, talking doomat, in other words, and the normies constantly walk all over me and take advantage of me. It is honestly very embarrassing to admit, even when online, but it is a part of my nature. I have an extreme beta personality, and I have always had this.

Before I fully swallowed the Blackpill , I had tried very hard to make things better personality-wise, but this has not been successful largely. I have tried watching self-help gurus, reading self-help books, gymcelling, martial arts, changing my body language and stances, changing the way I speak or present myself, and even increasing my testosterone by changing my diet. None of it has had any significant effect on my personality and while I recognize that many of these actions have other various benefits, most of them do not work to change one's personality. As OP said, many of these methods are using redpiller logic anyhow.

Also, I too remember what happened when I tried to act assertively, following the advice of these self-help books and gurus that I had read or watched. The few times I have tried to assert myself (even in a calm, reasonable, and well-spoken manner), I was given a talking-to, advised, or even reprimanded. Keep in mind this is in a variety of environments, like work, school, and extracurriculars. "Assertiveness" only works if you are normie-tier or above, otherwise for subhumans like us it makes us look like deranged people.

Dark-triad traits, assertiveness, and alpha personalities are heavily influenced by upbringing (and therefore looks/genetics), so it is probably a fruitless effort to try and change myself to acquire these things anyway.

 

[Mrugly420]

I’m a giga narcy without a chad face, kek

 

[Space Orange]

Blue-pilled mainstream ideas force kids to be agreeable.

You’re only naturally disagreeable if you have a high T count (see blacks). But plastics and soy are keeping everyone in line.