You've moved goal posts. Initially my point was mentioning how the empirical evidence suggests that a significant and growing percentage of men of becoming sexless/incels and my conclusion based on this was that if this trend continues society would have to respect incels simply by virtue of their numbers which cannot be ignored. This is a convincing take. More numbers equal more power in society.
You failed to convince me or anyone else otherwise on my argument so now you want to go on a tangent. Okay.
I genuinely think the best thing for incels (as a group) is to simply do nothing. Let the incel numbers grow naturally at the break-neck speed that is already happening and enjoy the steady decline and implosion of society. I would wager in about 20 years when the youngest genZ are hitting 40 everything will just fall apart. It's not just demographic collapse, working able bodied men will shrug and the whole economy and system will come undone. You will still be an incel (ugly to foids) but so will the majority of men. Having conversations like this will become political norms not something reserved for the closet space of the internet.
Individually, I would probably advise incels become a passport bro. That is probably your best shot at a normie life.
jesus christ. you are posting in a thread about people going ER. Talking no clear stance towards that topic, you talk about how 'since we're growing in numbers, we will get respect anyways'. Meaning your very first post is going on a tangent. From "should we encourage or discourage people going ER?" to "Will our growth in numbers make us immune to any PR considerations?"
I answer
yeah, so don't throw away such an opportunity by giving the opposition a perfect argument for why they should pass laws or deploy law enforcement against us.
basically agreeing, but stating that we can ruin that development if we give society enough reason to hate us. Which actually connects your point to the thread you're posting in.
To which you answer
You don't seem to understand. Based on the stats that I gave you, they won't be able to enforce any laws against us if this trend continues.
they won't be able to enforce any laws against us
That is the claim that makes you delusional. And is also again "going on a tangent". You moved the goal post, not me. From 'giving respect' to 'incels have diplomatic immunity'. From "should we discourage or encourage peole going ER?" to "we will be untouchable, just wait a few years!".
Trucels will never be 60% of men, and if incels as a whole have a bad enough reputation, even most low status men will not want to associate with us. Evolutionary predisposition for
mercyless competition amongst men
men having an outgroup-bias in favor of women instead of for their own ingroup
to go along with w/e is high status in society
all will make it harder for men to unite for long behind a shared interest.
You make an extraordinary claim and go back to defending your more reasonable one when attacked. How was that called again?
But even your more defendable idea is not as simple as you present it. Society will just collapse? What if the West just solves the fertility crisis by paying women even more from state coffers to make some goddamn children? What if society stabilizes in some hellish equilibrium where life is shit for most men but not quite bad enough to actually undertake any risk to change it? What if they just have robot police in 30 years and population size doesn't matter anymore because 'able-bodied men' get dunked on by AI controlled drones and armoured police bots?
Predicting any complex, non-obvious societal developement further away than 3-5 years is already close to impossible. Even obvious trends will be affected by people's and politican's reaction to said trends. Assuming things to just keep developing along a linear slope is oversimplifying the world to an extreme degree. And technological progress can always come along and flip the entire playing field upside down without much prior warning.
Not to mention that the effect of propaganda is not even taking into account in your little model of the world.
Stalin's Russia perfected the art of keeping society at the edge of hell while keeping the people from openly rebelling. Or, "artifcial dialectic" as they called it. They simply went between hard cencorship and supression of any intellectual freedom to some freedom and new ideas and then back again. When the cencorship brought the people to the edge of rebellion, they put all the blame on the shoulders of the lower rank inquisitors and executed them. In the following years of freedom they collected incriminating material on as many people as possible. And then, before the freedom could give birth to any dangerous ambitions, the secret police was encouraged to go at full throttle again. Rinse and repeat.
You are also assuming with your argument that no similar way of handeling male discontent in perpetuity is ever found by the ruling class.
I don't even understand why you disagreed with my initial response? I was agreeing with you and telling people to stay put instead of going on a rampage. Which you thought was irrelevant, apparently. This is again, the claim you made that is not easily defendable.
"It won't matter if we go ER or not, we will simply be too numerous for police to do anything."
The other one, "society will just collapse" is also rather weak because it fails to take anything into consideration other than demographic collapse. Your model of the future predicts the outcome of global politics by extrapolating from
one singular factor.
But all this is not even my big problem with what you posted. It's your incredibly condecending tone that reminds me of all the redpill PUAs.
"Just learn game, bro!"
"Just look at history, bro."
"Just use your fantasy, bro."
"Just wait, bro."
"The police won't be able to do shit, bro!"
And anyone who disagrees is ofc simply doing it wrong.
You lack reading comprehension and imagination.
You don't seem to understand.
Try talking to people as if they were equals instead of plebs sitting in your lecture hall, blessed with the privilege to listen in as you drop a few pearls of wisdom for the common rabble to intellectually enrich themselves with.
